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#4521649 - 05/20/20 08:02 PM Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale  
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Hi all,
Next up on the modelling bench is the Roden 1:32nd scale Siemens-Schuckert D.III.
As the last three models I've built were resin and needed more than a little 'correction', I thought I'd get back to styrene for this one.
That said I am aware this kit will also need some attention, so I've noted observations from the previous builds of 'Lance', 'IWIK' and our own 'Des', in addition to those noted in the 'Pheon' decal booklet.

This model represents the early version of the Siemens Schuckert D.III (Serial number between 8340/17 and 8359/17), as flown by Ltn. Joachim von Ziegesar when serving with Jasta 15 during May, 1918.

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Aftermarket consists of:
‘Aviattic’ linen effect Lozenge decals -ATT32108, ATT32109, ATT32013, ATT32073 and ATT32075.
'Aviattic' Wood grain dark (ATT32235).
'Aviattic' photo-etch rib tapes (ATTETCH001).
‘Pheon’ 32023 decals - Siemens Schuckert D.III Markings.
‘Brengun’ photo-etch Siemens Schuckert D.III (BRL32014).
‘Gaspatch’ 1/32 Spandau 08/15 Extended loading Handle (Late) machine guns.
'HGW' Models' seat belts (32006).
'Loon Models' resin conversion (LO32006)
Hopefully, if Alex comes up good - 'ProperPlane' wood laminated four bladed propeller.

One day I will build something 'OOB',

Mike

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#4521663 - 05/20/20 10:00 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Originally Posted by Sandbagger
Hi all,

One day I will build something 'OOB',

Mike


One day, pigs might fly !


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#4521717 - 05/21/20 05:38 AM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Shredward]  
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Originally Posted by Shredward
Originally Posted by Sandbagger
Hi all,

One day I will build something 'OOB',

Mike


One day, pigs might fly !


Cheers,
shredward

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#4521743 - 05/21/20 11:44 AM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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#4521744 - 05/21/20 11:57 AM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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I can already see the aftermarket decals and resin goggles.
Just tell everyone that when you are doing a kit OOB, it means Out Of Boredom.


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The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
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#4521746 - 05/21/20 12:06 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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#4522236 - 05/24/20 09:13 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
I've started this model with working on the engine.
My original intention was to replace the kit supplied engine with the excellent resin engine from 'Aviattic'.
However, as I started to build that engine I decided that it was too good to be hidden under an engine cowl, even though the engine cowl on this aircraft exposed more of the engine than most rotary powered aircraft.
Therefore I've built the kit supplied engine, but with one modification, namely replacing the oversized valve push rods.

To do this the push rods were cut away from the engine front casing, which was the cemented onto the engine.
I then drilled 0.6 mm diameter holes into the outer edge of the housing, making sure the pairs of holes were drilled staggered at an angle, as with the actual engine.
Each push rod was made from 0.4 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube, which was bent at one end then flattened to represent the valve operating levers.
A sleeve of 0.6 mm diameter brass tube was cut and slid onto the rod. This is to represent the end fitting at the bottom of the push rod.
Each rod was then secured in position using CA adhesive.

The end result is not as good as the 'Aviattic' engine would be, but hoefully is an improvement on the original kit engine.

Mike

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#4522429 - 05/26/20 03:02 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
I've amended the first post in this thread.
The aircraft I had intended to build was the later D.III version, but that model has been built by quite a few modellers.
So I decided to change to an 'early' D.III, which is a less common build and take up the challenge of incorporating the 'Loon Models' resin conversion.
This will entail replacing the engine cowl and support frame, tail plane/elevator assembly, propeller spinner, wing tips and ailerons.

Lets see how 'easy' this will be,

Mike


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#4522559 - 05/27/20 11:39 AM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Looking forward to seeing this one come out of the box. Another masterpiece, no matter how many boxes and packets it comes out of. biggrin


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#4522570 - 05/27/20 01:06 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Simply beautiful work and craftsmanship Mike! I also build plastic model kits with resin, photo etched metal parts but nothing close to your league pal! Mainly stick to 1/48 scale. I sometimes venture and scratch build engines or cockpit detailing for certain aircraft and have followed some of the techniques you have posted presently and in the past on various model kits. You definitely have a talent there. Can’t wait to see this project unfold! Cheers!

All the best.

#4522622 - 05/27/20 06:27 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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They're fascinating airplanes - the D.III and D.IV. There's a D.III reproduction (I think it's a repro at least) at Old Rhinebeck - it's the only one I've seen in-person. They had a peculiar counter-rotating rotary/prop combination and reportedly had an excellent rate of climb. They were supposed to be used as fast-climbing interceptor aircraft. The Germans - in both wars - fielded some innovative aircraft in that role (think the Me. 163, for example) out of necessity in a defensive aerial posture. I'd love to see one of the D.III or D.IV aircraft flying with that counter-rotating engine/prop combo.

#4522643 - 05/27/20 08:47 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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I look forward to developments with this model - the SSW. D. series I've always found fascinating.

@SirMike, as far as I remember from my readings, the prop. rotating counter to the cylinders is the setup on the earlier Siemens-Halske 9-cyl. rotary (Sh.I) used on the SSW D.I copy of the Nieup. 11/16. The later, 11 cyl. engine (Sh.III), as used on the D.III and D.IV has the prop. and cylinders rotating in the same direction, but the internals of the engine rotating in the opposite direction - I always found that whole topic confusing myself. Here's a snippet from the man himself (Dan-San) talking about this on TheAerodrome (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13891&postcount=5).

You can already see an original 11-cyl. Siemens-Halske at work on Carlson's Pfalz D.VIII replica, as posted by Shredward on one of the threads (here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdzbAVKZ63w).

I just love the original sound on that engine - something between an electric dynamo and a classic rotary. Also take note of its power, and as well the (strange) propeller setup - four-bladed prop. made of two two-bladed ones brought together - although there are also historical pics. of one-piece, four-bladed props installed on these Pfalzes, including other interesting variants where two two-bladed props would be placed together, but the "x" forming two 60 degree angles instead of the typical "+" expected of a four-bladed prop. I wonder if there were any major variations in prop. efficiency, top speeds, etc., climb, with these different four-blade setups....

Happy flying,
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#4522903 - 05/29/20 11:20 AM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Sandbagger, do you have basic materials preferences, such as kit maker, glue type, paint type, etc?

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Hi loftyc,
No not really.
I guess Wingnut Wings and Copper State Models are up there as I think the best kits.
But I've got or built stryrene and resin models from:
HPH Models
Planet Models
Omega Models
Roden
Special Hobby
Hobby Craft
MicroMir Models
Aviatic.

I use both lacquer and acrylic paints and for glues I use liquid cements for styrene and CA adhesive for resin.
Also various weathering effects, such as Flory Models fine clay wash, Enamel washes, pigment etc.

So I guess to answer you question - no not really biggrin

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#4523166 - 05/30/20 09:13 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
The engine is finished now.
The only changes I made (not that you'll see much once installed):
Valve push rods made from 0.4 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube with 0.5 mm bases.
Ignition leads from 0.148 mm diameter black mono-filament.
Ignition lead plate at engine rear from 0.5 mm thick plastic card.

Mike

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#4523270 - 05/31/20 03:51 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
Onto the resin conversion set from 'Loon Models' (LO32006) for the early D.III aircraft.
The resin engine cowl is well formed but is so thin in places I can virtually see through it.
Also when offered up to the kit engine bulkhead, the resin cowl outer diameter is undersized, which leaves a step between it and the bulkhead.
As the resin cowl is way to fragile to contemplate modifying it, I chose instead to modify the bulkhead and fuselage halves.
The outer edge of the bulkhead was sanded to match the cowl.
The forward inside ends of the fuselage were scrapped to form a shoulder for the bulkhead to locate.
The end result is the fuselage. bulkhead and resin cowl now align.

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The next step is to create the cooling slots and apertures in the bottom of the cowl (good thing the set has two cowls!!)
The early production SSW D.III aircraft were fitted with a full, circular cowl around the engine. In addition the propeller was fitted with a large domed spinner. These combined with poor engine lubrication, caused by the use of synthetic ‘Voltol’ oil, caused many engine failures. In an attempt to increase cooling airflow across the engine, some engine cowls had two oval apertures and three slots cut through the bottom/sides of the cowl. Although I could not find photographic evidence of this for the Jasta 15 aircraft of ’Ziegesar’, there is a photograph of the aircraft of Lt.d.R. Alfred Greven of Jasta 12, which clearly shows one of the cooling apertures.

Should be fun,

Mike

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#4523422 - 06/01/20 06:01 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
I marked the six cooling slots then drilled lines of 0.4 mm diameter holes, followed up with a 0.6 mm diameter drill.
Then using a thin scraper, cut between the holes to form a slit.
Lastly I open out the six cooling slots using a straight edged scalpel blade.
The two cooling holes were created the same way and finally shaped using a round needle file.
To make it easier to handle and to stop the fragile cowl from flexing, I taped the kit engine bulkhead onto the cowl.

Now it's onto the resin support frame,

Mike

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#4523441 - 06/01/20 09:32 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
Based on other modellers reviews I expected problems with the 'Loon Models' engine support frame, and it didn't disappoint.
The four struts supplied are intended to fit over the front support ring and be long enough to reach the engine bulkhead.
But if you follow the instructions, the struts are too short and don't reach the bulkhead.
Also it's difficult to fit these four struts in their correct positions on the support ring such that they can fit through the cylinders to reach the engine bulkhead.

In the end I located the support ring inside the engine cowl, then fitted the four struts inside the cowl, with the front end contacting the support ring and the other flared ends at the cowl rear edge.
The four struts were then scrapped to reduce their thickness and allow the engine to locate fully into the cowl and support ring.
Now onto modifying the wing tips and ailerons,

Mike

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#4523684 - 06/03/20 09:19 PM Re: Siemens-Schuckert D.III - 1:32nd scale [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
A bit more progress preparing various parts.
The fuselage halves have bee scraped and sanded to:
Reduce the depth of the panel lines.
Forward side access panel removed for photo-etch replacements.
Air scoops opened up.
Forward vertical panel line removed.
Step at forward panel removed.

The resin spinner has been sorted to fit the kit propeller and spinner back plate.
Both wings have had their wing tips removed and re[laced by the resin early wing tips (pinned to wings).
All four ailerons replaced with resin ailerons (pinned to wings).

I'm now modifying the pilot and ground crew 'grab' handles,

Mike

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She’s coming right along Mike.


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