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#3622339 - 08/08/12 10:44 AM Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade  
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My first effort in the new scenario :-)

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22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV

S-125M1 Neva


00:01:53, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:02:14, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 8km
Target azimuth: 181
Target elevation: 20
Target altitude: 3km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:18, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 181
Target elevation: 20
Target altitude: 2km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:22, Missile exploded on Channel-1
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 0m)

00:02:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 4m)

00:02:29, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-4 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:03:22, SNR knocked out by HARM


Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 25sec


I turned SNR on about five seconds before hit :-)

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#3622410 - 08/08/12 01:15 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
My first effort in the new scenario :-)

Click to reveal..
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV

S-125M1 Neva


00:01:53, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:02:14, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 8km
Target azimuth: 181
Target elevation: 20
Target altitude: 3km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:18, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 181
Target elevation: 20
Target altitude: 2km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:22, Missile exploded on Channel-1
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 0m)

00:02:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 4m)

00:02:29, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-4 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:03:22, SNR knocked out by HARM


Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 25sec


I turned SNR on about five seconds before hit :-)


Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 25sec

85s on air time is way too long in this environment.


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#3622429 - 08/08/12 01:45 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
My first effort in the new scenario :-)

Click to reveal..
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV

S-125M1 Neva


00:01:53, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:02:14, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 8km
Target azimuth: 181
Target elevation: 20
Target altitude: 3km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:18, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 181
Target elevation: 20
Target altitude: 2km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:22, Missile exploded on Channel-1
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 0m)

00:02:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 4m)

00:02:29, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-4 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:03:22, SNR knocked out by HARM


Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 25sec


I turned SNR on about five seconds before hit :-)


My IRZ saved my SNR, but I didn't shot even a HARM, they just overrunned me...
What was idea with the Predator UAV, it just stood there...?

#3622436 - 08/08/12 02:07 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

My IRZ saved my SNR, but I didn't shot even a HARM, they just overrunned me...


At least you saved your crew and equipment for the next day...

Originally Posted By: piston79

What was idea with the Predator UAV, it just stood there...?


The unarmed RQ-1 Predator UAV was flown from the Hungarian Air Force Base of Taszar during OAF.


It had low speed (less than 100m/s), but provided visual battlefield reconnaissance capability beyond the expected SAM rings.

Sometimes when Serbian defenders were annoyed by this, they sent out a mobile Strela-1 (SA-9) unit to hunt it down.


This one is ended at the Air Defense Museum in Belgrade.


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#3622502 - 08/08/12 03:49 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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The unarmed RQ-1 Predator UAV was flown from the Hungarian Air Force Base of Taszar during OAF.
It had low speed (less than 100m/s), but provided visual battlefield reconnaissance capability beyond the expected SAM rings.



It also used noise jamming when iluminated by the radar... thumbsup

EDIT: Why LGB tracks not vissible in 3D AAR?

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#3622527 - 08/08/12 04:29 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
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The unarmed RQ-1 Predator UAV was flown from the Hungarian Air Force Base of Taszar during OAF.
It had low speed (less than 100m/s), but provided visual battlefield reconnaissance capability beyond the expected SAM rings.



It also used noise jamming when iluminated by the radar... thumbsup

EDIT: Why LGB tracks not vissible in 3D AAR?


LGB is an optically aimed Weapon.

After launching more than 1000 HARM missile during the first phase of OAF (without any considerable success due to the use of the IRZ) NATO decided to change tactics from SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses - just launching HARM's against emitters), to DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses - positively killing the SAM site).

This tactic meant pairing the F-16CJ Weasel Falcons, with the F-16CG Night Falcons.

When the HTS pod of the F-16CJ "Weasel in a Can" detected SAM threat, it launched a HARM against it, to suppress its illumination...
... and sent the SAM unit coordinates (as a way-point) to the F-16CG "Night Falcon" equipped with a LANTRIN pod.
The Night Falcon visually identified the SAM, and used LGB, or Cluster bombs to KILL the SAM Unit...

Sometimes this "DEAD" tactic succeed, but the equipment usually stayed in repairable condition...
... 1/250rd PVO at Banovci





PS: "EDIT: Why LGB tracks not vissible in 3D AAR?"
Non guided bombs, were never be visible in 3DAAR.
(same with Egypt situations...)

Last edited by Hpasp; 08/08/12 04:40 PM.

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#3622542 - 08/08/12 05:00 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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Non guided bombs, were never be visible in 3DAAR.

Laser Guided Munitions ARE guided!... wink

Also, is this the real performance of HARM?
[Linked Image]

This miracle HTS pod loaded up coordinates to HARM and it goes, no matter of the course angle?

Also, believe found a bug - when lock on noise jamming and switch off transmition, it stays locked on, and still walking with the target... We cannot have such good F1/F2 operators, can we??? (it's on NEVA, believe no problem with SA-2 family, but not tested...)

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#3622556 - 08/08/12 05:39 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

Also, is this the real performance of HARM?


This miracle HTS pod loaded up coordinates to HARM and it goes, no matter of the course angle?


Yes, HARM can be launched at an emitter BEHIND the Weasel!

Be aware, that all the Weasels in the scenario are sharing target information using on-board data link.
(The HTS pod has approx 180 degree view, so this is why always Weasels fly at the opposite direction from the target.)

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#3622568 - 08/08/12 05:57 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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As I recreated these historically accurate battles, I felt myself as a SAM fan more and more desperate...

While we still use '50~'60s Soviet technology (except the nice to have IRZ), our foes changed their B-52's to F-117A & B-2A, and their dumb Shrike "bottle rockets" to the HTS pod (with detected SAM Geo-location data sharing capability to other Vipers in the theater)+HARM SEAD, plus the DEAD Night vision Capable F-16CG with LANTRIN+LGB.

The Video8 tape of the F-16CG (serial: 88-0550) shot down by 3/250rd PVO (third SAMSIM mission) was salvaged by the Serbian military...
... here is how DEAD work (and sometime it fails...) from the Night Falcon view.




http://vimeo.com/802793

Internal clock of the F-16CG Night Falcon is used:

00:04:00 "hammer2 you got steerpoint 41, I'm sorry hammer3 you got it"
CRACK3 F-16CJ HTS pod located 3/250rdPVO and sent its coordinates to HAMMER3 F-16CG as "Steerpoint-42".

00:04:47 "crack3 magnum 6 golf 100"
HARM shot against 3/250 rd PVO from CRACK3 F-16CJ

after the HARM missed, 3rdPVO starts their real battle...

00:04:58 "hammer status" - "hammer21 left to steer 6" - "crack73 AAA" - "hammer2 hammer3 AAA back in your position"
3/250rdPVO illuminated the F-16CG for a short time, while the AAA defending the "Veliki Radinici" reserve AFB distracted the pilots.

00:05:30 "hammer status" - "hammer1 is going to target that (AAA) underneath you"

00:05:45 "2 supported"
3/250rdPVO started continuous target tracking.

00:06:00 "we're attacking AAA 15 west of bull"

00:06:17 V-601PD missiles are launched by 3/250rdPVO

00:06:24 "mud3 north - visual"
one Viper pilot seen the SA-3 missiles

00:06:36 "mud3 hit" - CAUTION!!! - "mud three just hit again" - "hammer1 defending" - "mud3 just take a hit"

ON Air Time total: 51s
00:05:45-00:06:17; 32s target tracking
00:06:17-00:06:36; 19s missile flight till kill


Last edited by Hpasp; 08/08/12 06:36 PM.

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#3622593 - 08/08/12 06:37 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

Yes, HARM can be launched at an emitter BEHIND the Weasel!


I am aware of that, but the trajectory seems too sharp for me (it's not AA missile, anyways)... Of course, it's not so important, just notice it...

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
As I recreated these historically accurate battles, I felt myself as a SAM fan more and more desperate...



Mee too... But now I have respect to guys, which defend their Motherland even more...

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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 25sec

85s on air time is way too long in this environment.



It is cumulative, but I agree, it is too much.

#3622633 - 08/08/12 07:41 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

Also, believe found a bug - when lock on noise jamming and switch off transmition, it stays locked on, and still walking with the target... We cannot have such good F1/F2 operators, can we??? (it's on NEVA, believe no problem with SA-2 family, but not tested...)


I will check it tomorrow...
... seems to be an obvious bug left from the Volhov code...

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#3622719 - 08/08/12 09:25 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
As I recreated these historically accurate battles, I felt myself as a SAM fan more and more desperate...

While we still use '50~'60s Soviet technology (except the nice to have IRZ), our foes changed their B-52's to F-117A & B-2A, and their dumb Shrike "bottle rockets" to the HTS pod (with detected SAM Geo-location data sharing capability to other Vipers in the theater)+HARM SEAD, plus the DEAD Night vision Capable F-16CG with LANTRIN+LGB.

The Video8 tape of the F-16CG (serial: 88-0550) shot down by 3/250rd PVO (third SAMSIM mission) was salvaged by the Serbian military...
... here is how DEAD work (and sometime it fails...) from the Night Falcon view.

http://vimeo.com/802793

Internal clock of the F-16CG Night Falcon is used:

00:04:00 "hammer2 you got steerpoint 41, I'm sorry hammer3 you got it"
CRACK3 F-16CJ HTS pod located 3/250rdPVO and sent its coordinates to HAMMER3 F-16CG as "Steerpoint-42".

00:04:47 "crack3 magnum 6 golf 100"
HARM shot against 3/250 rd PVO from CRACK3 F-16CJ

after the HARM missed, 3rdPVO starts their real battle...

00:04:58 "hammer status" - "hammer21 left to steer 6" - "crack73 AAA" - "hammer2 hammer3 AAA back in your position"
3/250rdPVO illuminated the F-16CG for a short time, while the AAA defending the "Veliki Radinici" reserve AFB distracted the pilots.

00:05:30 "hammer status" - "hammer1 is going to target that (AAA) underneath you"

00:05:45 "2 supported"
3/250rdPVO started continuous target tracking.

00:06:00 "we're attacking AAA 15 west of bull"

00:06:17 V-601PD missiles are launched by 3/250rdPVO

00:06:24 "mud3 north - visual"
one Viper pilot seen the SA-3 missiles

00:06:36 "mud3 hit" - CAUTION!!! - "mud three just hit again" - "hammer1 defending" - "mud3 just take a hit"

ON Air Time total: 51s
00:05:45-00:06:17; 32s target tracking
00:06:17-00:06:36; 19s missile flight till kill



Nice post thumbsup
Was that some sort of SAM ambush, as mud3 didn't really seem to perform any evasive manoeuvres before being hit?

The detailed tactics used by SAM operators both offensively and defensively are very interesting. Usually you'd think with weasels in the air there was very little they could do, being sitting ducks if they ever emitted. I think the time it takes the SEAD systems to triangulate/isolate the emitting source also plays a part, but with LGB and CBU equipped aircraft, one could be forgiven for thinking that it wouldn't take too long before the site was located, once the SEAD platform had narrowed the location to within a few miles (assuming the site isn't within a populated city).


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#3622939 - 08/09/12 05:24 AM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Wolfhound]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfhound

Was that some sort of SAM ambush, as mud3 didn't really seem to perform any evasive manoeuvres before being hit?


mud3 is the SA-3 SAM, hammer3 is who got killed.

It was not an ambush, as hammer3 received the SA-3 position two and half minutes before kill.

He was probably busy steering his LANTRIN pod around Steerpoint-42 to find the SNR, while he was distracted with the AAA below him, or in reality you cannot really pull 9G's with ALE-50 deployed.
(He actually pulled something over 2G's)

Originally Posted By: Wolfhound

The detailed tactics used by SAM operators both offensively and defensively are very interesting. Usually you'd think with weasels in the air there was very little they could do, being sitting ducks if they ever emitted. I think the time it takes the SEAD systems to triangulate/isolate the emitting source also plays a part, but with LGB and CBU equipped aircraft, one could be forgiven for thinking that it wouldn't take too long before the site was located, once the SEAD platform had narrowed the location to within a few miles (assuming the site isn't within a populated city).


SAM battle is continuously evolving through the history, and it is never about a "magical new jamming type" that makes all SAM's blind, or a "brand new type of SAM system" that could kill all planes.
It is always about using tactics in an effective way.

While the highly mobile S-300PM (SA-20A) units received point defense Pantsir (SA-22) defense against incoming HARM&LGB's, the F-16CJ's are now dually using the HTS and the LANTRIN pod on the same plane. During OAF, where the F-16CJ & F-16CG should work in a very coordinated way to succeed (HARM should be in the air, while the F-16CG is going in for the kill), the new F-16CJ could do it alone.

If you watch the video you could see, that real battle stress under AAA fire, made difficult to send a steerpoint from a CJ to a CG...

00:04:00 "hammer2 you got steerpoint 41, I'm sorry hammer3 you got it"

... it was steerpoint 42, and was sent to hammer3.

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#3628845 - 08/18/12 11:37 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Very tough. I admire the US Air Force for creating such creative tactics. It is so funny how some people just say that Zoltan Dani was the only creative guy and US Air Force was just going by the book uncreatively. I was personally shocked at the number of aircraft NATO lost. I expected many more losses, and something more from the Mig pilots of the YuAF.

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Originally Posted By: jazjar
Very tough. I admire the US Air Force for creating such creative tactics. It is so funny how some people just say that Zoltan Dani was the only creative guy and US Air Force was just going by the book uncreatively.


Zoltan Dani was just one important screw of that SAM battery...
... all of his soldiers (manual trackers, P-18 operators, missile loaders, truck drivers, etc) were performing at their peak.

Originally Posted By: jazjar
I was personally shocked at the number of aircraft NATO lost.


NATO lost two piloted planes "on the spot" (F-117A, F-16CJ)...
... several unmanned Drones were also shot down...
... some other planes were hit and damaged (Mirage, Tornado, F-117A)

Huge numbers of AN/ALE-50 was hit during the war.

Originally Posted By: jazjar
I expected many more losses, and something more from the Mig pilots of the YuAF.


While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.

Actually MiG-29 and KUB underperformed the expectations during OAF.

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http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2000/June%202000/0600silver.aspx

On April 14, Capt. Cary N. Culbertson was leading a flight of F-16CJs that was providing suppression of enemy air defenses for B-2 bombers on a strike mission near Belgrade. The Serbs fired three SA-3s-presumably at the F-16s and not at the stealthy and much higher B-2s. Culbertson turned his F-16 toward the rising missiles and attacked the SA-3 site with a High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile. Then the Serbs launched two more SA-3s, this time directly at Culbertson's jet. "At this point," says Culbertson's Silver Star citation, "Captain Culbertson would have been justified to discontinue his attack and defend against the incoming missiles, but instead, with total disregard for his own personal safety and [with] the lives of his flight members foremost in his mind, he continued his attack." He fired another HARM, which took out the SAM radar. Then he evaded the SA-3s. The Serbs tried one more time from a different site, firing another salvo of SA-3s-and drawing a HARM from Culbertson's wingman.

That night, the 250/4rd PVO was operating from the south of Dolovo town.
They launched 2 missiles Betha=90, D=8, when a HARM was launched against from their back, Betha=30.
They immediately launched 2 new missiles against the new target at Betha=30, D=13.

The HARM detonation sprayed fragments at the UNK and the UNV vans.
The battery suffered two injuries.



On Google Earth, you can still find the place where this battle was fought.



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Capt. Sonny P. Blinkinsop also took unusual risks to protect his fellow pilots from Serb missiles. While he led a group of F-16CJs against some SAM sites near Obrva, Yugoslavia, on May 2, the Serbs launched several SA-3s at the formation. As one of the F-16s turned to fire a HARM at the SAM battery, another salvo of SA-3s was launched. Blinkinsop turned his aircraft toward the launch site-and into the path of the oncoming missiles-to fire a HARM at the battery. That act silenced the site. Then as the F-16s were reforming, the Serbs launched two more SA-3s at a second wave of NATO strike aircraft entering the area. Blinkinsop fired his last HARM at that SAM battery, shutting it down and letting the strikers escape safely. Blinkinsop's disregard for his own safety during this mission earned him the Silver Star.



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The final Silver Star recipient may have done as much to save a colleague as any of the rescue forces. On June 7, Maj. William L. Thomas Jr. was flying with a group of F-16s near Batajnica airfield, near Belgrade, when he located four Serbian MiG-29s parked below. He and his wingman each destroyed one of the jets on a first pass over the airfield. On a second pass Thomas destroyed a third MiG. But the Serbs, meanwhile, had fired two SA-3s, which forced Thomas's wingman into evasive maneuvers. The plume from one of the missiles temporarily blinded the wingman, who went into a low-altitude dive in the midst of a AAA field. Thomas flew into the AAA zone and dispensed flares, so the artillery barrages would target him instead of his wingman. It worked. Both pilots escaped.

It was Dani Zoltan's 250/3rd PVO last shooting (7th) of the war.
They were located north of Dec, and launched 2 missiles at 23:54 (Beta=0, D=15km), using TV-RL guidance.
Both missiles were missed.




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The other two Silver Star situation of the OAF are exist in the SAMSIM.
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Last edited by Hpasp; 02/08/13 07:02 PM.

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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It was Dani Zoltan's 250/3rd PVO last shooting (7th) of the war.
They were located north of Dec, and launched 2 missiles at 23:54 (Beta=0, D=15km), using TV-RL guidance.
Both missiles were missed.



Interesting, they shot at big parameter and used TV on night?..

About "Tripple Nickel" F-16:

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One F-16 which officially downed example. Rejected ordnance in the result, but one rocket fell in front of private houses near Obrenovac vilage Zvecka, actually hit the terrace at the house. The consequences are still visible today.
Signs that it's possible to do the same to the pilot and the F-117....


http://www.mycity-military.com/Ostalo-3/Kako-je-oboren-F-117_22.html

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Originally Posted By: piston79
Interesting, they shot at big parameter and used TV on night?..


The P18 was working as advertised.

The 250/3rd PVO had an infra camera in place of the Karat...
... they used it twice, and failed to hit.

One F-16 which officially downed example. Rejected ordnance in the result, but one rocket fell in front of private houses near Obrenovac vilage Zvecka, actually hit the terrace at the house.

Zvecka is pretty far from there...

Last edited by Hpasp; 02/08/13 08:04 PM.

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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