#3580736 - 05/27/12 07:56 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I had that this morning... try copying the link into the address bar then editing http: to https: Really strange... ... I modified all the links.
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#3580743 - 05/27/12 08:18 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Klicking the link still does not work, but pasting the URL into the address bar does. Probably some referral issue, maybe MEdiafire doesn't allow that anymore? From Hungary, under Firefox/IE it works. Now I modified it to https is it better now?
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#3580752 - 05/27/12 09:02 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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They did not knew the route of the aircraft, and even if they did it shouldnt have helped them as the aircraft is Stealth (almost invisible to radar). Actually yes, it would have helped to know the route. Stealth serves to shrink detection. If you know the route, you simply place a SAM close enough to said route. They moved to Simanovci, their standard wartime firing position (an old SA-75M Dvina [SA-2F] position), and simply sit there. (not moved under any route) The real cause was just what I written earlier. USAF over self-confidence in Stealth technology, till 1999.They let to fly the four Vega plane into Serbia, without any support. No F-15C, no F-16CJ, no EA-6B, because of weather reasons... ... those poor Falcons might have been rusted. Without Weasel threat, the SAM's could operate freely... excuse me mr.hp on i can understand your mean sentence (those foor falcons migts have been rusted :D) if falcon if freaK wht can run from 6 missiles sa-2 at below link http://www.aparat.com/v/9c78a1ce36cf29e1e9c2fc5ee3641f74191329where is exactly wrong?? pilots skill of falcon is very good or iraqian sa-2 sam crew is a freak ??? wich one u guess??
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#3580781 - 05/27/12 11:38 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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one big question! please help evry one can do it favor to me .. about it one my question! karat TV track targeting is realy famous in sam system's but it no simulated!!! why?? because if it created sam sim need 2 FCO ?? i quess if we want .. we could creat it with our knowlege!
i think this happend can be done ... with creat 2 object internal and external viewing for hit & track target for long and mediun distance use internal view looks like that we have in sim and for hit target for 5 km distance swich to external view and change position to karat tv tracking! i think this is good idea for develop full realestic sa-2 and sa-3 !
every person who use sam sim know exactly sa-2 and sa-3 without include karat tv tracking sam sim is defective
without tracking tv target i think sam simulator is semi realestic to swich not full realestic to swich
to be honest : i think if mr.hpasp wants to creat more senarios about operation for alied forces ! karat tv tarcking most include at future best shot to nato weasel f-16 in operation allied forces only with karat tv tarcking mode is good to be done!
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#3580814 - 05/27/12 01:40 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Ok, then do you have book title/ISBN please? I dont have a link, I have the book.
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#3580815 - 05/27/12 01:42 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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With a real missile in the air, it is typical that the tactical situation will include either or both of self protection jammers (ALQ131 etc) or standoff jammers (EF111 and EA6B ~ though I think? that both of these types are now withdrawn, and I don't know what the current jammer platform is?). There's a replacement for the pod, and a bunch of aircraft have internal jammers. The F-18G currently does the EA-6B's job. I don't know what replaced the EF-111, but right now anything with an AESA radar can probably rain on a SAM's parade.
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#3580818 - 05/27/12 01:47 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Unless you can show me where the USAF suddenly stopped flying, operating or producing or planning stealth fighters, that statement is pretty much a fairy tale. Rather, when all you get in a 2-month bombing campaign is a couple of planes shot down, makes it sound more like SAMs are heavily over-estimated. Although, the Serbs were clever people - by doing what they did they kept their SAMs operational in order to cover their army should there have been a ground invasion. USAF over self-confidence in Stealth technology, till 1999. This isn't the first time or the last time an aircraft is shot down due to lack of EW support. There is a good deal of examples since '91 at least, and probably earlier than that as well. And once more, the SAMs were proven to be nothing but speed-bumps. They let to fly the four Vega plane into Serbia, without any support. No F-15C, no F-16CJ, no EA-6B, because of weather reasons... ... those poor Falcons might have been rusted. Yeah, except they didn't. All the US pilots had to do was call 'Magnum' in the clear and the SAM operators would tuck their tails between their legs and hide. Without Weasel threat, the SAM's could operate freely...
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#3580849 - 05/27/12 02:40 PM
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I had that this morning... try copying the link into the address bar then editing http: to https: It worked. I truly love the documentation. If you bought a book with all this it would be tremendously expensive. Also, guys-I can see that the discussion regarding the combat effectiveness of defensive missiles is one that's causing some emotion on both sides. Let's keep the debate civil and refrain from calling the opinions of others "fairy tales" or claiming that the other side's pilots are cowards. Thanks.
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#3580866 - 05/27/12 03:02 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I had that this morning... try copying the link into the address bar then editing http: to https: It worked. I truly love the documentation. If you bought a book with all this it would be tremendously expensive. Also, guys-I can see that the discussion regarding the combat effectiveness of defensive missiles is one that's causing some emotion on both sides. Let's keep the debate civil and refrain from calling the opinions of others "fairy tales" or claiming that the other side's pilots are cowards. Thanks. Fully agree. Lets behave like professionals do in Peace... ... and concentrate on the SAMSIM!
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#3580910 - 05/27/12 04:00 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Ok, then do you have book title/ISBN please? Yes, ISBN: 978-86-87833-00-5 Title: Smena It is a war journal written by Lieutenant colonel Djordje S. Anicic.
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#3580913 - 05/27/12 04:04 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Adding the possibility to launch the V-880N 5V28N (Gammon) Nuclear tipped SAM Missile, for the S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) system. The 25kt TA-18 warhead has 60% more destructive power than the V-760 15D (Guideline Mod.4) Nuclear tipped SAM Missile, available for the S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline) system... ... and a bit larger than the conventional warhead at the left. Nice reading here: http://infowsparcie.net/wria/o_autorze/pdf/pzr_s_200_w_880n.pdf
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#3580916 - 05/27/12 04:06 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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[b]today video ! dear grayghost i think tor can destroy fighter with hardly manuevering ! i love it I believe "Thor" is just a bodyguard of his bigger "colegues" (s-300;400), and his main role is to destroy some airborn weapons, not the aircrafts... In Russia they used "OSA" (SA-8) missiles as targets. Nope. S-300/400 belongs to Air Defence forces (currently a part of Air Force), while Tor belongs to the Army (ground troops), at least that's how it was in Soviet Union and currently is in Russia. The Tor's primary mission is to protect troops in the field. Each Soviet combat division had 12 Tors (or 16 Osa's) in its Air Defence Regiment. Granted, Army had its own version of S-300, the S-300V, but it was issued at Army, not divisional, level and its mission was to protect troops against ballistic missiles, such as Pershing-1. Air Defence forces saw (and see) Pantsyr as a companion to S-300, although it is likely to be used to defend targets other than S-300 batteries. But due to poor performance of Pantsyr, Almaz-Antey now develops a Morfei SAM, that I mentioned a few pages above, for this and other purposes.
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#3580925 - 05/27/12 04:13 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Unless you can show me where the USAF suddenly stopped flying, operating or producing or planning stealth fighters, that statement is pretty much a fairy tale. Rather, when all you get in a 2-month bombing campaign is a couple of planes shot down, makes it sound more like SAMs are heavily over-estimated. Although, the Serbs were clever people - by doing what they did they kept their SAMs operational in order to cover their army should there have been a ground invasion. USAF over self-confidence in Stealth technology, till 1999. This isn't the first time or the last time an aircraft is shot down due to lack of EW support. There is a good deal of examples since '91 at least, and probably earlier than that as well. And once more, the SAMs were proven to be nothing but speed-bumps. They let to fly the four Vega plane into Serbia, without any support. No F-15C, no F-16CJ, no EA-6B, because of weather reasons... ... those poor Falcons might have been rusted. Yeah, except they didn't. All the US pilots had to do was call 'Magnum' in the clear and the SAM operators would tuck their tails between their legs and hide. Without Weasel threat, the SAM's could operate freely... But you must admit that U. S. NEVER encountered any 3rd generation SAMs in combat. S-300, Tor-M1, Buk-M2. Neither they encountered an integrated air defence network. I wonder if SAMs are so inefficient, why both U. S. and Israelis made such an enormous effort to prevent a shipment of Russian S-300 to Iran?
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#3580934 - 05/27/12 04:22 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Thanks for the correction Lonewolf357, you are right! My point is that this system engaged some small-sized targets like missiles... But due to poor performance of Pantsyr Could you be more specific? Thanks!
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