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#4648393 - 06/21/24 09:31 PM Small airplane accident  
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One of our airfields training planes crashed today.


https://www.suncoastnews.com/crime_...78a15c0-2fef-11ef-b153-13102ad4e10c.html


Initial word is engine failure. Wasn’t fuel because they still had 30 gallons on board. Even if there was an error on using tanks that would have meant at least 6 gallons on used tank. Even if you allow 1.5 gallons unusable there was still fuel. So it will be interesting to find out more. Instructor and student. Both got out without serious injury. Plane is done. Wings pulled off and fuselage torn in half.

As always, early information is often wrong.

Crash site about 4 miles from my house. I am supposed to be flying with another plane Sunday morning. We will both fly over the location and try to get pictures.


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#4648397 - 06/22/24 09:24 AM Re: Small airplane accident [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Do you know the instructor?

#4648398 - 06/22/24 12:33 PM Re: Small airplane accident [Re: oldgrognard]  
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The one on Pine Island, I saw that on the news yesterday. They said they clipped a Palm tree trying to land on the roadway. Apparently the one seen in the forground.

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#4648410 - 06/22/24 02:28 PM Re: Small airplane accident [Re: oldgrognard]  
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I didn’t know the instructor. The flight academy goes through instructors pretty regularly. They are newer pilots who got their ticket and then got instructor certification. This allows them to build up the required hours quickly at no cost (and some small pay) to hire on with airlines or cargo haulers. They are very different than the old hand instructors. I would go to an independent flight instructor before going to one of the flight academies.


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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
I didn’t know the instructor. The flight academy goes through instructors pretty regularly. They are newer pilots who got their ticket and then got instructor certification. This allows them to build up the required hours quickly at no cost (and some small pay) to hire on with airlines or cargo haulers. They are very different than the old hand instructors. I would go to an independent flight instructor before going to one of the flight academies.



That is interesting, so these instructors are like USAF FAIPs... they just learned themselves and now they're instructing. I heard a recent defense of that practice that made sense for the military in that the instruction syllabus was so highly regimented that low hour instructors performed almost as well as high hour instructors did and there were plenty of the latter sprinkled in as well when needed.


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Flew today. Went to Winter Haven and had brunch. On the way back weather developed off the west coast and we barely squeezed landings in before the heavy rain hit us. Since the wreck site was west of the field there was a solid wall of weather between us and the site.

Will try again.


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#4648437 - 06/23/24 07:19 PM Re: Small airplane accident [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Thought I would post the pictures my passenger took.


Here is what was showing.

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This shows the wall of rain that the Garmin was showing. Picture doesn’t have the impact that reality had. Lacks the depth and movement of what we were seeing. Also the quality is down since these are shots captured from his video.


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Here is turning to final. The rain was just hitting the airfield fencing at the other end of 5he field to our right. The big worry is strong winds around the storm cells. This is where wind shear can occur.


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Rain started falling as we were on the taxiway headed to the hangar. Always a lift to successfully do something with a bit more challenge.



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Good flying OG, skies like that are nothing to scoff at.


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I was working with the tower getting their input. Two other planes took off prior so I had pretty good info on conditions. Otherwise I probably would have diverted to another field.


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#4648717 - 06/29/24 10:46 PM Re: Small airplane accident [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Flew over the site today. My passenger took photos and didn’t do well at all. But this is the area.


The area to the left of this is the wildlife management area and is undeveloped. Most of the flight training happens over it since there is nothing to endanger. The small beach area at the right (Pine Island) is a popular place for pilots to then sight-see. As you can see it is a single road in and out. Wrecked airplane not there. Already recovered and shipped to Jacksonville, Fl to the NTSB facility for investigation.


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This is a bit more close-up.


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And this is the best of what he took.

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You can see how a lot of the road has a trees alongside. My buddy who was the chief instructor for many years until a couple years ago, talked to the instructor involved. What I’m going to say is word of mouth and has some conjecture. The instructor said it wasn’t fuel. Engine started to shake, miss and lost a lot of power. He pulled it back to idle then tried to put back in cruise power. Still very bad. He felt he the engine was going to completely fail so pulled it back to idle and since the road was the only choice that wasn’t in the water/wetlands tried the road. Caught the right wing on a tree.

My instructor buddy quizzed me on that and I said it sounded like a valve loss. He agreed. I said I have experienced one in a friends plane and we throttled back, but went for the airfield while trying solutions. We made it. He said that was right. He thinks the instructor gave up too early and should have tried to continue flying rather than immediately going for emergency landing. He asked what else about the picture. I didn’t notice, but he saw - no flaps. Why ?

His opinion is that low-time instructor didn’t make the best choices.

It will be interesting to see the final report.


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OG, it sounds an awful lot like carb ice.


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#4649084 - 07/08/24 11:26 AM Re: Small airplane accident [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Not carb icing. Weather conditions and aircraft movement would rule that out.


Nice to se you posting gain. Don’t be absent for so long.


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