#4099960 - 04/01/15 12:54 AM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Thanks shan a very interesting read. Wouldn't have taken much for him to have become one of the statistics that didn't make it home. Wheels
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#4100455 - 04/01/15 10:26 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Amazing what they went through. Each mission seemed like a major battle...
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#4100641 - 04/02/15 12:27 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Very interesting ...You caught only some glimpse of the psychological strain they had to endure (not speaking of the physical one )...I've read the memories of a radio operator, simply written but vivid: he ended with booze to get some sleep after the stress and amphetamins to fulfill the long missions.
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#4100974 - 04/02/15 10:07 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Excellent read thank you.
What surprised me the most is how low they flew.
Bombing runs at 12 000' is very low
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#4100994 - 04/02/15 10:42 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Yeah...I shudder to think what the flak did to them at that altitude...
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#4101221 - 04/03/15 02:16 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Very interesting read, thanks for posting.
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#4101341 - 04/03/15 05:58 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Excellent read thank you.
What surprised me the most is how low they flew.
Bombing runs at 12 000' is very low Had they had to fly as low over Germany as they did over Japan to achieve their mission goals the losses would have been exponentially worse. Wheels
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#4101432 - 04/03/15 09:18 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Keep in mind that the one mission they flew at 12k ft was against a heavy water plant in Norway with apparently only light flak defenses. Against a heavily defended target in Germany such a low altitude would have caused significant losses.
"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"
Capt. Todd Sheehy, Hog pilot, on receiving orders during Operation Desert Storm
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#4101448 - 04/03/15 10:16 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Keep in mind that the one mission they flew at 12k ft was against a heavy water plant in Norway with apparently only light flak defenses. Against a heavily defended target in Germany such a low altitude would have caused significant losses. I think there was a movie that starred Kirk Douglas made about that plant. The bombing raid was secondary to the rest of the story though. The Heroes of Telemark: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059263/Wheels
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#4101561 - 04/04/15 08:35 AM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Yeah, good movie. Kinda ironic though how the US believed to be in a race with Germany for the atomic bomb when in fact Germany never even came close to developing one.
"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"
Capt. Todd Sheehy, Hog pilot, on receiving orders during Operation Desert Storm
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#4101615 - 04/04/15 02:22 PM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Keep in mind that the one mission they flew at 12k ft was against a heavy water plant in Norway with apparently only light flak defenses. Against a heavily defended target in Germany such a low altitude would have caused significant losses.
I put 12k ft because it was very low, but in my mind I always thought that they were flying over FL300 The highest they went was FL290 I think
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#4101803 - 04/05/15 05:43 AM
Re: Diary of a B-17 Tailgunner
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Yeah, good movie. Kinda ironic though how the US believed to be in a race with Germany for the atomic bomb when in fact Germany never even came close to developing one. I believe Heisenberg determined there was no way he was going to let the regime have access to such a weapon, and subtly and gently derailed the project at every turn.
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