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#3762522 - 04/04/13 03:11 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Benargee]  
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#3762526 - 04/04/13 03:16 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Benargee]  
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Yeah, it has just been re-put there, cleansed of all the "look, it's there" & "That's how you use it" posts... (I should know. One was mine...)

No literal harm done, if you ask me... Just, maybe, awkward.

I mean c'mon. The cat's out of the bag.


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#3762540 - 04/04/13 03:32 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: komemiute]  
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Originally Posted By: komemiute
Yeah, it has just been re-put there, cleansed of all the "look, it's there" & "That's how you use it" posts... (I should know. One was mine...)


It was never not there, you just didn't see it because it is no longer at the top of the forum.

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I mean c'mon. The cat's out of the bag.


Okeeyy, i'm done with spoonfeeding. smile2

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#3762660 - 04/04/13 06:19 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Benargee]  
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What is the max range that you can lock and kill a target with these ? I noticed in the video that he didn't launch til around 9 out, I wonder if it's possible to lock and launch from say 10 or 12. I tested force corilating the Hs recently and was able to hit a stationary target at 9.5 from 8,000 ft. If the Es can't beat that then there's really no point carrying them unless the jtacs can lase for you.

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#3762745 - 04/04/13 09:20 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Skoop]  
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I think the E lasts 15 seconds longer before detonation, even though from what i know, mavericks don't detonate, they go ballistic in real life.

I find these to be much faster than, buddy lase/ jtac lase, TGP LSS, set SPI, slave maverick to SPI, force correlate/ lock. (force correlate might even be off target)

With the E you just need proper code, uncage seeker and permission to launch

Also, 9 is not max range. For video sake I just showed how to use the missle and didnt try to demonstrate max range. I dont even know but I know its more than the D/H, I still have to test it fully.


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#3762746 - 04/04/13 09:20 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
i thought 1337 was geek jargon for "ELITE"?, roflmao.


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#3762748 - 04/04/13 09:23 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Skoop]  
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Originally Posted By: Skoop
What is the max range that you can lock and kill a target with these ? I noticed in the video that he didn't launch til around 9 out, I wonder if it's possible to lock and launch from say 10 or 12. I tested force corilating the Hs recently and was able to hit a stationary target at 9.5 from 8,000 ft. If the Es can't beat that then there's really no point carrying them unless the jtacs can lase for you.


It looks like they're good to 11.1km. I hit a target at 11.2 once, but then when i tried again 2 more times at 11.2, they blew up just short.


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#3762821 - 04/04/13 11:04 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: komemiute]  
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But then we had a conversation a bit ago on a night mission where the TGP and/or IR Mavs were not picking up the A-10C's IR Pointer


The pointer will never work. You have to use the designator.

Originally Posted By: komemiute
LOL! The thread opened in the ED DCS Forum about this was brutally erased.

It was (involuntarily) funny as many moderators, and Nate too, were all " Nah, we can't and have not added the Laser Maverick. Impossible and not allowed"...

Then someone posted the youtube video on how to add it to the payload and how to use it, aaaaand... *POOF* Thread is gone.


Really Cosmic....


Wonder which moderator it was...


Also, which version of the Maverick is this? The E, E2, or the L?

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#3762938 - 04/05/13 05:05 AM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Benargee]  
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The E.

And as has been said for ages, since the first public betas, the E Mav was a feature of the USANG DTS that ED was asked not to use, just like realistic JDAMs and many SADL features, for reasons unknown to anyone but ED and those who asked for such features to be removed. The E mavs were there in the early internal alphas and many of the testers used them, myself included, but honestly I can't remember if they made it to the first public betas.

Much of e code for all of it is still there in the .luas if you look hard enough. Hopefully one day ED will put it all back, especially the SADL & JDAM stuff.


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#3763105 - 04/05/13 03:12 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Eddie]  
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
Hopefully one day ED will put it all back, especially the SADL & JDAM stuff.


If I way ask, what is missing currently that was/should be there?


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#3763207 - 04/05/13 05:41 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Genbrien]  
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Originally Posted By: Genbrien
If I way ask, what is missing currently that was/should be there?


Leaked documentation about the JDAM is readily available on the internet, take a quick glimpse in there and you'll see.

#3763224 - 04/05/13 05:51 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Benargee]  
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What Sobek said.

JDAMs can be programmed to impact a target from a specific heading, and at a particular angle from the ground at the very least.

They are capable of flying complicated paths (you can launch it from the front or the side of the target and it will fly around it and hit it from the back, or whatever side you choose it to - think about this say. You could toss a JDAM over a hill and have it turn around and hit a bunker door on the opposite side of the hill you launched it from - or fly right into it if it is open).


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#3763276 - 04/05/13 06:49 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost
JDAMs can be programmed to impact a target from a specific heading, and at a particular angle from the ground at the very least.


Didn't someone say that this functionality was omitted on the A-10 (not only in the sim but IRL too)?

#3763288 - 04/05/13 06:58 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Benargee]  
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Who knows what was put in after suite 3.1 smile

Although the A-10C certainly doesn't have the speed to make those things go far, and its main targets basically just need to be hit.


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#3763293 - 04/05/13 07:09 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Benargee]  
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Of course, this makes me laugh when people get all uppity about DCS being the end-all be-all of simming. It's not "completely realistic", it's "as realistic as they are allowed to make it" or in other words "arbitrarily NOT realistic in areas X, Y, Z."

I can understand omitting something classified. If it's not, though, and it's something more like "well we'd prefer people not really be aware of this," that is LAME. If it was someone at the ANG that made that decision, well I hope that person there gets laid off by the sequester and has to find a REAL job in the private sector where you have to PERFORM to keep a job.

Gov'ts are too obsessed about security. You can't just restrict EVERYTHING and hope that works. You restrict the stuff that really is important so you can focus your efforts on that better. I'd bet that if you put everything that was classified together in one place it would be bigger than any library in the world. I further bet that a good 50% of that stuff was classified not because it had to be but because some bureaucratic middle manager played CYA and stamped it that way. For instance, "could cause embarrassment" is NOT a good reason for something to be classified.



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#3763299 - 04/05/13 07:18 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Jedi Master]  
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That rant was pretty irrelevant to what's going on with the A-10C, or military secrets in general. Secrets are kept that way because leakage may cause the death of people, either because a particular feature loses its surprise factor, is duplicated and used against your peeps, or is otherwise countered. In addition to this, information about 'other' equipment is secret to avoid revealing methods and people which can be countered by plugging leaks and again, death.

For this reason stuff that is heavily classified ends up in the vault, and you're not allowed to take it out. This tends to be really serious stuff, with real consequences along the lines of 'loose lips sink ships', so peeps tend to zip it.

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Gov'ts are too obsessed about security. You can't just restrict EVERYTHING and hope that works. You restrict the stuff that really is important so you can focus your efforts on that better. I'd bet that if you put everything that was classified together in one place it would be bigger than any library in the world. I further bet that a good 50% of that stuff was classified not because it had to be but because some bureaucratic middle manager played CYA and stamped it that way. For instance, "could cause embarrassment" is NOT a good reason for something to be classified.

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#3763340 - 04/05/13 08:58 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Eddie]  
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
The E.

And as has been said for ages, since the first public betas, the E Mav was a feature of the USANG DTS that ED was asked not to use, just like realistic JDAMs and many SADL features, for reasons unknown to anyone but ED and those who asked for such features to be removed. The E mavs were there in the early internal alphas and many of the testers used them, myself included, but honestly I can't remember if they made it to the first public betas.

Much of e code for all of it is still there in the .luas if you look hard enough. Hopefully one day ED will put it all back, especially the SADL & JDAM stuff.


Thats weird because the Maverick Es function exactly like the video with the exception of the A/G radar in the VRS Superhornet with Tacpac.



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#3763360 - 04/05/13 09:40 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: SUBS_17]  
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Thats weird because the Maverick Es function exactly like the video with the exception of the A/G radar in the VRS Superhornet with Tacpac.


What's your point? What does an FSX mod have to do with anything, and how is it "weird"?


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#3763364 - 04/05/13 09:44 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted By: Sobek
Originally Posted By: GrayGhost
JDAMs can be programmed to impact a target from a specific heading, and at a particular angle from the ground at the very least.


Didn't someone say that this functionality was omitted on the A-10 (not only in the sim but IRL too)?


Nope, all the JDAM (Target of Opportunity) functions are available, including impact angle, heading and airspeed and a few other things. The only thing the Hog can't do is employ the JDAM in pre-briefed mode. On the other hand, the C model Hornet can employ in pre-briefed, but not TOO. So that evens things out nicely.

I still hope we'll see some of this stuff eventually when the JDAM gets it's own FM etc. At the moment they still defy the laws of physics in DCS every time you release one.


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#3763397 - 04/05/13 11:07 PM Re: Functioning AGM-65E Laser Maverick! 1.2.3 [Re: Eddie]  
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
The E.

And as has been said for ages, since the first public betas, the E Mav was a feature of the USANG DTS that ED was asked not to use, just like realistic JDAMs and many SADL features, for reasons unknown to anyone but ED and those who asked for such features to be removed. The E mavs were there in the early internal alphas and many of the testers used them, myself included, but honestly I can't remember if they made it to the first public betas.

Much of e code for all of it is still there in the .luas if you look hard enough. Hopefully one day ED will put it all back, especially the SADL & JDAM stuff.


All that is news to me really (except some JDAM features). What letter version would make the most sense in terms of branch/year?

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