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#4303576 - 10/16/16 03:40 AM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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Yes, if you decided to try an i7 (or i5, or any other Intel CPU) then you'd definitely have to change your motherboard. It is also possible you'd have to replace RAM. Although your current Asus AMD board and the Intel 2nd-gen core i5/i7 boards generally all use the same 1.5v DDR3 modules, you're often best off to use memory that is known to work well on any given board (all the big manufacturers nowadays publish lists of memory that their boards are tested/proven to work with, for this purpose). And finally, even though those AMD 965BE's are great CPUs for the money, a good 2nd gen Core i5/i7 would run the pants off it  See the links below: Tom's CPU Hierarchy puts the 2nd-gen Core i5 2500k at two levels above the AMD 965BE: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html And at CPU Boss, a Core i5 2500k rates 8.2, compared to 5.1 for the AMD 965BE: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965This isn't at all to say the 965BE isn't a great CPU of itself; it's just not in the same class as the (outstanding) 2nd-gen Core CPUs (i5 or i7). The 965BE compares more to the 'first gen' Core series Intel chips (like a Core i7 930, or even the older still Core2 Quad (like a Q9650). So, while the 2nd-gen Core CPUs aren't today's latest and greatest by any stretch, you can find setups using these fantastic CPUs and save a ton of $ while picking up a system that is plenty powerful, very upgradable and highly overclock capable. I actually have several of the AMD PhenomII 965-class CPUs in running systems currently, one is my wife's desktop and a different one I'm building her a new desktop with. I also have recently had a few different Core i5/i7 systems in my shop, so I've done measurements/testing on both types of setups and various graphics cards. Based on all this, I would say that the 2nd-gen Core i5/i7 are around 35-40% faster than the 965BE, in terms of CPU performance. I will gladly share my documentation with you, if you'd like. I hope this helps.
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#4303601 - 10/16/16 08:58 AM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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Yes, if you decided to try an i7 (or i5, or any other Intel CPU) then you'd definitely have to change your motherboard. It is also possible you'd have to replace RAM. Although your current Asus AMD board and the Intel 2nd-gen core i5/i7 boards generally all use the same 1.5v DDR3 modules, you're often best off to use memory that is known to work well on any given board (all the big manufacturers nowadays publish lists of memory that their boards are tested/proven to work with, for this purpose). And finally, even though those AMD 965BE's are great CPUs for the money, a good 2nd gen Core i5/i7 would run the pants off it See the links below: Tom's CPU Hierarchy puts the 2nd-gen Core i5 2500k at two levels above the AMD 965BE: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html And at CPU Boss, a Core i5 2500k rates 8.2, compared to 5.1 for the AMD 965BE: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965This isn't at all to say the 965BE isn't a great CPU of itself; it's just not in the same class as the (outstanding) 2nd-gen Core CPUs (i5 or i7). The 965BE compares more to the 'first gen' Core series Intel chips (like a Core i7 930, or even the older still Core2 Quad (like a Q9650). So, while the 2nd-gen Core CPUs aren't today's latest and greatest by any stretch, you can find setups using these fantastic CPUs and save a ton of $ while picking up a system that is plenty powerful, very upgradable and highly overclock capable. I actually have several of the AMD PhenomII 965-class CPUs in running systems currently, one is my wife's desktop and a different one I'm building her a new desktop with. I also have recently had a few different Core i5/i7 systems in my shop, so I've done measurements/testing on both types of setups and various graphics cards. Based on all this, I would say that the 2nd-gen Core i5/i7 are around 35-40% faster than the 965BE, in terms of CPU performance. I will gladly share my documentation with you, if you'd like. I hope this helps. When it becomes to selecting a CPU for WoFF, all those overall rankings do not count here for this game, only the single core performance is the key factor!
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#4303620 - 10/16/16 11:45 AM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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When it becomes to selecting a CPU for WoFF, all those overall rankings do not count here for this game, only the single core performance is the key factor! Yes, dutch you are correct; it's widely accepted that single-core performance matters most in WOFF. If you look at the CPU Boss website link I posted above, you'll notice one of the tests is actually a PassMark benchmark for single-core performance...where the Core i5 2500k rated about 37% higher than the AMD Phenom IIx4 965 Black Edition As I said, those 965BE's are great CPUs (and very good overclockers) for their cost and class...but they're just not in the same class as the 2nd-gen Core series CPUs at all. They compete more closely with the first gen Core series. S!
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#4303624 - 10/16/16 11:59 AM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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Good advice kksnowbear.
I had a thread where I compared my PC upgrade and WOFF performance boost. Speaking strictly of WOFF, I noticed small performance boosts upgrading my 680 to 780 and then a 980, while I saw a massive improvement upgrading from a sandybridge to a skylake. Could be due to better motherboard/RAM/CPU combo or even drivers as well.
Although in games like a heavily modded skyrim, there was a nice boost when I upgraded to a 980. I know some games are GPU dependent and others are CPU dependent. But it was very obvious in the case of WOFF. Yessir. I've even done some testing (just for academic value) where I *grossly* mismatched GPU setups with CPUs, just to see the difference. I've seen first-hand where a cheap, low-end Core2 Duo CPU took a beautiful graphics setup - two GTX570s in SLI - and caused the overall performance of the graphics setup to drop by 50%. So not only can games be more/less CPU or GPU heavy just as you've observed, but the nature of the equation is such that, in the extreme, a "mismatch" can actually hurt the ratio of "performance-to-cost". Having said that, I suspect many/most of us play more than one game, so striking that balance becomes important, like your Skyrim experience with the GTX980. *lol* If you could afford time/space/money to keep up with a separate rig for each game, that's another way to go, too... 
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#4303633 - 10/16/16 12:30 PM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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I suspect many/most of us play more than one game, so striking that balance becomes important, like your Skyrim experience with the GTX980. Ah, yes. That reminds me that the PC remaster of Skyrim is due out soon. I've played some Elder Scrolls Online and it's good for what it is, but it still doesn't replace Skyrim for me. Between the new Pascal based Nvidia GPUs, WOFF UE and Skyrim Special Edition (Remastered) 2016 is turning out to be a great year for gaming, IMHO.
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#4303664 - 10/16/16 05:27 PM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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Patience is a errr - bird in the bush which errr - has a silver lining and errr - haste less speed errr - many hands make errr - errr - ummmm,
two weeks !!
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#4303672 - 10/16/16 06:01 PM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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Patience Grasshopper  Cheers Shredward  I think I see what you did there Shred...  Either that or it's just wishful thinking! Cheers! 
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#4303738 - 10/17/16 12:32 AM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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Salut Trooper!
I see you understand the WoFF time/space continuum
Cheers,
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Perhaps Lou will repost it for those who do not My pleasure Shredward:
A long-term study recently completed by the University of Research Nonessentials and Urbane Thought Sciences has at last uncovered the source of misunderstandings surrounding the OFF/WOFF use of the term, “two weeks”. Due to the fact that most civilized industrial societies around the world use the Gregorian calendar, which is divided into 52 seven-day weeks, the practical assumption made by those outside of the OFF/WOFF development group is that two weeks equals fourteen days. But this assumption is utterly incorrect.
Intensive research into the matter has unearthed evidence showing that members of the OFF/WOFF development group, or ‘WOFFites’ as they refer to themselves, use a calendar radically different from that noted above and one based entirely upon their own labor-to-rest time ratio reality. Given the standardized WOFFite work schedule of 272 days on followed by one day of relaxation, the WOFForian calendar week actually equates to 39 weeks on the Gregorian calendar. Herein lays the root of the misunderstanding. When a WOFFite indicates that something will be done in two weeks he is not in error but is simply making his statement based on the time frame in which he lives. For those outside WOFFite society however it appears the person making such a statement is a bold faced liar, or delusional, or trying to pull something. He is not. The WOFFite honestly means two weeks, but two WOFForian weeks which, unfortunately for the rest of us, equates to 546 days or 78 weeks on the Gregorian calendar.
For a complete transcript of the study, “Time Reference Disparities between WOFFite and Real World Societies”, contact Dr. Benjamin Whaddajahoo, Professor of Thinkology, Room 42, Arcane Building, University of Research Nonessentials and Urbane Thought Sciences, Pleasantville, Minnesota..
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#4304006 - 10/18/16 12:42 AM
Re: Waiting (im)patiently for WOFF UE.
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