#3391936 - 09/17/11 01:55 PM
Re: trouble calibrating pro pedals in win 98se for LBgold and LB2
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All of my following answer refers to LB2 specifically, as I don't have much experience with LBG and haven't heard of many controller problems with that before (outside of DOSBox, anyhow).
I've had the problem before where even with the joystick centered you pitch down and fly forwards. I solved this simply by re-calibrating my joystick in Windows Control Panel (this may have to be done every time before you play the game). I don't have a fancy joystick so I don't need or use any third-party software to configure or program the joystick.
Also, you shouldn't really even be able to get into the game, let alone play it, with rudder pedals plugged in AND a joystick. LB2 is famous for not functioning properly, if at all, with more than ONE game controller plugged in. A joystick with built-in throttle is fine, but a joystick and separate throttle is a no-no, nevermind rudder pedals!
I suggest you unplug all game controllers except your joystick. Re-calibrate that in Control Panel, and see what happens then.
Recluse, Eugene, someone - I can't remember, is it just multiple USB game controller devices plugged in that affect the game or multiple gameport devices too?
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#3392092 - 09/17/11 06:50 PM
Re: trouble calibrating pro pedals in win 98se for LBgold and LB2
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Thanks for the reply, I got the pedals calibrated finally. I think it was a hardware issue. I unplugged everything, opened the computer and removed and re seated the sound card. Reconnected everything, re calibrated in windows and no more yaw problem from the pedals not being centered. The original problem is this, lets say I am flying forward at say 50 kts. Cyclic forward to generate forward motion. Then while leaving collective unchanged, let cyclic back to centered position. I think I read somewhere ( Jane's guide or something) that in this scenario the helicopter should gradually slow forward momentum ( but may ascend). In both Longbow gold and longbow 2 on my set up this doesn't happen, I keep flying along at the same 50 kts. It happens regardless of the realism setting for the controls, simple, advanced or expert. I have trim wheels for both throttle axis on my combat stick and played around with changing them in flight to scrub the forward momentum but if I do that then come to a hover, the backward trim adjustment will make the nose pitch up and the helicopter will move backwards and not maintain a hover. If it were a problem with joystick calibration you would think that I would have a problem on take off and be unable to hover. This isn't the case. With the joystick centered on takeoff adding collective I go straight up with minimal drift and no forward motion. Like I said, it seems to be behaving as if force trim is on ( as I understand it to work. Force trim doesn't seem to be functioning for me ( at least in the training missions.... I haven't tried it in an instant mission yet), toggleing shift C doesn't change anything. I am using the CH set up. The joystick, throttle and pedals daisy chain ending in a single 15 pin connector and are seen by windows as a single game controller so no problems there. ( How do you play this game without pedals? I have a hard enough time manuvering with them, I can't imagine having to use the keyoard instead!!!!) I have to say this sim is very hard for me to fly with any fine control when on expert realism level, I'm either crashing due to blade stall or popping up from 50 ft to 200 ft while trying to scub off forward speed to come in for a hover and landing.
Do you know have people reported cpu speed related issues when playing Longbow 2 with a P3 1 Gz processor in a native setting like mine ( ie not under Win XP using glide emulation etc)? At least in the training missions I am not noting any missile accuracy problems or any other glitches that I can see.
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#3392187 - 09/17/11 09:40 PM
Re: trouble calibrating pro pedals in win 98se for LBgold and LB2
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Yeah I know what you mean about the forward motion. After letting your joystick center whilst travelling with forward velocity the speed will eventually bleed off and you'll come to a hover - but notice I say eventually. I've never known it to happen straight away and will likely take several minutes. I've honestly never tried it but I know what you mean. I don't believe there is a modelled force trim as such, the helicopters simply fly as they fly, in that regard. I never knew anything about Shift+C in LB2. I think force trim may have been mentioned in the manual for LB1/Gold but I've honestly never played it enough to even try it out. And even though LB1/Gold goes as far as modelling the DASE function, it's really up to you to decide if it even really does anything in-game (it might be there, but is not even noticeable).
I've always played all sims without pedals. I personally don't like all that clutter and stuff that comes with separate throttles, pedals, etc. I've always used the keyboard! I can't imagine using pedals!
I can't remember specifics off by heart, but I should imagine people have reported problems with 1GHz processors, as really anything above the recommended spec and LB2 starts acting up somewhere along the line.
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#3392262 - 09/18/11 12:06 AM
Re: trouble calibrating pro pedals in win 98se for LBgold and LB2
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In LB2, Force Trim for cylic is indeed automatic. I always liked this because it didn't require holding the cyclic forward all the time. I don't think real cyclics are spring loaded to snap back to center, so it doesn't take much force to keep them forward, so I think this concession to gameplay and the autocentering joystick is not a bad thing. You do need to make cyclic corrections to counteract changes in collective and vice-versa, but the stick always stays in the center after the adjustment and acts as if the input that you made is still in effect regardless of the spring centering of the stick position.
I went on a sightseeing helo tour once and was amazed that the pilot flew with pretty much 2 fingers on the cyclic.
Yes I spent more time watching him fly than I did the scenery outside.
W/re to multiple controllers, I think LB2 was before USB sticks were common, so I think it doesn't like multiple Windows controllers. Of course, Cyclic, Collective and Rudder inputs are fine as they are recognized in windows as a single multiaxis controller. I flew previously with Gameport Thrustmaster equipment (FCS+WCS2) and CHPro pedals. Now with USB Cougar, though the CHPRO pedals are still hooked into the gameport on the Cougar as is the throttle so the USB connection for the Cougar is seen as one multiaxis controller.
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#3392281 - 09/18/11 12:49 AM
Re: trouble calibrating pro pedals in win 98se for LBgold and LB2
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I don't think Force trim is automatic in Longbow 2, at least according to the Longbow 2 manual, page 4.7 :
""4 : F L I G H T T R A I N I N G
Hover Hold All helicopters tend to drift and rotate during a hover. If you’re hovering and need to stay put, activate this auxiliary autopilot function. You must be flying slower than 15 knots (including any sideways velocity, or “side-slip”). With hover hold active, the helicopter assumes the current altitude and attitude. H Toggle hover hold mode on/off In the Longbow, HOV appears in the upper right corner of the IHADSS. In the Black Hawk, this is an indicator light. See Black Hawk Analog Cockpit, p. 2.54. The Kiowa displays hover hold in the VSD. This option deactivates when you move the cyclic stick or adjust collective using normal controls. You can go into a hover while autopilot is active. Pressing the hover key (H) during autopilot will slow you down and bring you into a stable hover. Force Trim If you’re using a joystick, you can reset its center point. This allows you to maintain forward flight without keeping the joystick constantly pressed forward. Simply adjust the rotor pitch until you achieve your desired speed and are flying level. Then, activate force trim to “freeze” the cyclic in that position. It will remain in that position until you toggle this option off. (You can still maneuver using your joystick, but whenever you return it to the center position, you’ll be flying forward.) shift C Toggle cyclic force trim on/off (default is off) ""
I think that is just the way the sim works.....
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#3392285 - 09/18/11 12:53 AM
Re: trouble calibrating pro pedals in win 98se for LBgold and LB2
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Interesting. I have never used the Shift-C toggle, and never had to keep the cyclic forward to maintain forward motion.
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Hey hey
by Stormtrooper. 12/02/23 12:54 AM
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