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#3192534 - 01/29/11 07:56 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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You can reasonably expect to see the Brisfit, SPAD VII, DH4, Halberstadt CL.II and maybe RE8 and others in the future after the DFW and B14


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#3192536 - 01/29/11 07:59 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: ArgonV]  
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Originally Posted By: ArgonV
Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
You can reasonably expect to see the Brisfit, SPAD VII, DH4, Halberstadt CL.II and maybe RE8 and others in the future after the DFW and B14


OUTSTANDING! biggrin


You can say that again!! WTG Jason and company!! cheers


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#3192712 - 01/29/11 10:52 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Graf]  
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GREAT news!!!


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#3192746 - 01/29/11 11:28 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
You can reasonably expect to see the Brisfit, SPAD VII, DH4, Halberstadt CL.II and maybe RE8 and others in the future after the DFW and B14.

Jason


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#3192771 - 01/29/11 11:56 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
You can reasonably expect to see the Brisfit, SPAD VII, DH4, Halberstadt CL.II and maybe RE8 and others in the future after the DFW and B14.

Jason


Great news. The SPAD is the single most important missing link in the scout lineup. The two seaters at least get us to early 1917. I'll do RE8s in drag for early war French (It does look alot like the Dorand AR). Looking forward to it.

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#3192828 - 01/30/11 01:10 AM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Graf]  
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I look forward to new content as much as the next person, however perhaps there is more wisdom in releasing aircraft chronologically instead. As with the initial fighter releases, players will again have to fight the war in reverse.

#3192890 - 01/30/11 03:02 AM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Feathered_IV]  
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Originally Posted By: Feathered_IV
I look forward to new content as much as the next person, however perhaps there is more wisdom in releasing aircraft chronologically instead. As with the initial fighter releases, players will again have to fight the war in reverse.


The original time period for ROF was 1917. The map, the initial planeset all were meant for 1917. The actual name of ROF in Russia is Rise of Flight 1917. We only added earlier stuff due to community complaints.

As the Career mode is released and as we see where planes are needed we will try to fill them in. Most likely at the front or the back side of WWI. Snipe anyone?

With the planes currently in the game, plus the bombers, plus the two 2-seaters on the way, plus the ones I just mentioned above, the gaps will begin filling up and the plausible Career paths of pilots and realistic Squadron histories will start to become a reality.

Going back to the beginning and working chronlogically is not a good thing for us at this point.

Jason

#3192895 - 01/30/11 03:16 AM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: WWBrian]  
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woot whoohoo woot <----me, unable to stop doing the Happy-Dance!! biggrin


You sure you want to do that in public? I mean, so people even know it's you doing it?! wink


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#3192932 - 01/30/11 03:54 AM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Graf]  
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Jason - just my $.02

With the exception of the SPAD VII, the scout stable is perfectly adequate for a start to finish career in any service. There are plenty more that could be done, but with the exception of a mid/late 1917 French scout there are no glarinfg omissions. The Snipe was a very late war type that saw limited service. While welcome, it really isn't all that important form a campaign PoV.

If I can offer my $.02 for two seaters:
British: BE2c, RE8, Brisfit.
German: Albatros C.III, DFW, Hannover CL II
French: Farman F.40, Dorand AR, Breguet 14

Those would offer at least one representitive type from 1916 through the end of the war.

As you probably know there were more 2 seaters types than there were scouts, so there is plenty of room for expansion.
Some to choose from ... smile

Albatros C.I, C.III, C.V, C.VII, C.X, C.XII
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Farman F.40,
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Caudron G.4, 6
Dorand AR 1 and 2,
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SPAD XI, XVI

BE2c, 2e
FE2b, d
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DH4, 9
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#3192934 - 01/30/11 03:55 AM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Graf]  
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Fantastic news... I was getting worried about how much more was being added. Keep making them and I buy them. I love this game.

#3192970 - 01/30/11 04:43 AM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: PatrickAWilson]  
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Originally Posted By: PatrickAWilson
Jason - just my $.02

With the exception of the SPAD VII, the scout stable is perfectly adequate for a start to finish career in any service. There are plenty more that could be done, but with the exception of a mid/late 1917 French scout there are no glarinfg omissions. The Snipe was a very late war type that saw limited service. While welcome, it really isn't all that important form a campaign PoV.

If I can offer my $.02 for two seaters:
British: BE2c, RE8, Brisfit.
German: Albatros C.III, DFW, Hannover CL II
French: Farman F.40, Dorand AR, Breguet 14

Those would offer at least one representitive type from 1916 through the end of the war.

As you probably know there were more 2 seaters types than there were scouts, so there is plenty of room for expansion.
Some to choose from ... smile

Albatros C.I, C.III, C.V, C.VII, C.X, C.XII
Rumpler C.I, C.III
LVG C.I, C.II, C.V
Roland CL.II
AIG types

Farman F.40,
Voisin L.III,
Caudron G.4, 6
Dorand AR 1 and 2,
Salmson 2a2
SPAD XI, XVI

BE2c, 2e
FE2b, d
RE8
DH4, 9
F2b,
AWFK 8





I know Pat. There are a ton that could be built. We hope to just keep going and going and going to we have a lot more.

Jason

#3193012 - 01/30/11 06:11 AM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Graf]  
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Forgive me if this has already been answered, but are there any plans for more AI-only craft? I know they aren't money-makers, but should take less time since no cockpit it necessary. I only miss the 2-seaters as targets... biggrin


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woot whoohoo woot <----me, unable to stop doing the Happy-Dance!! biggrin


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#3193124 - 01/30/11 01:04 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Bandy]  
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Have to argue with you, the DH4 was used from 1916 and extensively right through till the end, and so would make the better choice for all round flexibility in campaigns.

The Biff was used as a long range fighter/bomber so is not in the same category as Be2c-e, DH4, DH9, RE8, etc, but agree would therefore be a more exciting flyable...


By 1918 I thought the 1500 available Biffs were being used for pretty much everything, there's pics of Biffs with photo recon camera's attached so they must have been used for long range recon. Peter Hart suggests that the RAF really wanted to use the Biff as a standard 2 seater replacing the RE8 but RR couldn't make enough engines, even so 1500 active units is a lot of aircraft for WW1.

The DH4/9s seem to have been fast long range day bombers, the DH4 was fast and high flying but not very manouverable, the DH9 was slower but had better manouverability. Was the DH4 used much for anything but long range bombing? Its speed and ceiling seem to have mad it very valuable in that roll?

Both the Biff and DH4/9 would make great additions.


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#3193157 - 01/30/11 02:04 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: tn_prvteye]  
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Originally Posted By: tn_prvteye
Forgive me if this has already been answered, but are there any plans for more AI-only craft? I know they aren't money-makers, but should take less time since no cockpit it necessary. I only miss the 2-seaters as targets... biggrin


+1

I spend most time in offline mod so I rather have AI controled two seaters than flyable.
Snipe would be nice, but I can´t do without SSW D.IV with firing counters smile I really hope that we will see it one day.

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#3193227 - 01/30/11 03:46 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Graf]  
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What I see in Pat Wilson's list, trimmed down to reasonable size, is an emphasis on the more humble aircraft. Going for the DH4 or Brisfit before a two-seater like the Be2 or RE8 is going to cause hundreds of threads about two-seaters that cannot be caught in the CP career mode.

Originally Posted By: Bandy
Have to argue with you, the DH4 was used from 1916 and extensively right through till the end

The DH4 entered service in March 1917.

Fwiw, if 777 makes a Be2, I will buy it. Having the E.III without the Be2 is like having a bunch of darts without a dart board. exitstageleft

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#3193233 - 01/30/11 03:52 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: RoFfan]  
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Originally Posted By: RoFfan
What I see in Pat Wilson's list, trimmed down to reasonable size, is an emphasis on the more humble aircraft. Going for the DH4 or Brisfit before a two-seater like the Be2 or RE8 is going to cause hundreds of threads about two-seaters that cannot be caught in the CP career mode.


I kind of agree with DH-4 (But not with Brisfit). I think DH-4 should be reserved later and introduced with Rumpler C.VII "rubild" as bundle named "planes that you cannot intercept" wink


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I should have excluded all of the other types from my message, as that was obviously a pie in the sky wish list. Adding them just served to detract from the point that I was really trying to make.

British: BE2c, RE8, Brisfit.
German: Albatros C.III, DFW, Hannover CL II
French: Farman F.40, Dorand AR, Breguet 14

With those aircraft we have a representitive two seater type for every combatant from start to end of the air war. No more chasing Breguets with an Eindecker (Apologies to the British flyers out there, but chasing a DFW with a DH2 was, unfortunately, a real scenario smile ).

Here is an even more minimalist scenario:
British: FE2b, RE8
German: Albatros C.III, DFW
French: (Use the FE2b in drag), Breguet 14

That is only 3 new types and it would greatly help the late 1916 - early/mid 1917 scenario. For the purpose of fleshing out a campaign an AI only version would do just fine.

#3193240 - 01/30/11 03:56 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: Graf]  
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Per the DH4,I have always found the top speed specs to not really match anecdotal evidence. I have never heard accounts of German flyers being unable to catch them nor of British pilots simply pushing the throttle and escaping. When those measurements were taken I am curious as to whether the plane was a factory fresh aircraft with no observer, machine guns, and a half tank of fuel.

Wonder what theaerodrome would say ...

#3193319 - 01/30/11 06:07 PM Re: New Career Mode...1.018? [Re: PatrickAWilson]  
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Per the DH4,I have always found the top speed specs to not really match anecdotal evidence. I have never heard accounts of German flyers being unable to catch them nor of British pilots simply pushing the throttle and escaping. When those measurements were taken I am curious as to whether the plane was a factory fresh aircraft with no observer, machine guns, and a half tank of fuel.

Wonder what theaerodrome would say ...


Only Rolls-Royce Eagle VIII powered DH4 were astouding fast. But those were quite rare. And ofcourse with bombs, speed was lot less.


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