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#2834159 - 08/04/09 02:24 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: Ukee]  
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As far as I remember, Jason acknowledged the fact that, using RoF settings options, there will be shimmering. Those using RoF this way probably have shimmering but haven't noticed them (if you're still used to old gen sims you might still be used to jaggies. If you fly FSX using tweaked settings with nhancer, you've probably become very sensitive to jaggies, like I am, but it's not uncommon to have no jaggies at all, I play OFF with neat and clean textures at the horizon...).
Jason explained that the devs didn't have FSAA and texture filtering in mind at first, but they re introduced them in the end.

However, RoF doesn't let easily external applications change these settings. As far as I remember from what has been said, and my tests, you will only be able to tweak your settings with nvidia cp or nhancer if you disable "post effects" entirely in RoF settings (yes, bye bye rain drops...).

My results with that are mixed: I definitely see improvements when using FSAA such as combined 8xSQ, I also use 16x anisotropic filtering, and strangely, it's not as good and clean as it should, instead I would say it still looks like 8x (ie the horizon shows mild shimmering) and I wonder if RoF accepts any settings from nhancer as regards texture Filtering (regardless, the improved FSAA is a significant progress).

Now, if only we could have these settings without RoF being forced to post effects=off (and texture filtering at 16x please?), it would be great smile Nothing possible in a short time I'm sure, but over a longer term, I hope neoqb will hear our concerns smile

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#2834196 - 08/04/09 03:35 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: FlyingMonkey]  
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Originally Posted By: FlyingMonkey
.... Jason explained that the devs didn't have FSAA and texture filtering in mind at first, but they re introduced them in the end.


Odd. Jaggies are a curse for the discerning simmer. Why build something gorgeous and destroy the clean lines with jaggies ? That bloke was right .... this thing is toast ! Not really ... just joking hahaha

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.... (yes, bye bye rain drops...).


Noooooooooo ! Think of global warming {deep breath} ............. Nooooooooo !

#2834200 - 08/04/09 03:47 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: Ukee]  
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Originally Posted By: Ukee
Guys, try this. It has always worked for me so that's why I never knew about shimmering.

Enable COMBINED MODE antialiasing 4xs in NHANCER. It WORKS great without a noticeable fps loss.

I'm running Rise of Flight on an AMD Athlon 64 x2 5200+, 4gb ddr2 800mhz and a GeForce 8800GT.

With everything in med but textures and trees and something more in high it works great. Also AF 12x (NHANCER again) and Vsync.

See ya!

Edit: I'm using a 1680 x 1050 res and everything looks smooth


I installed enhancer, followed your settings, but no joy. Still shimmering....same FPS.
This is with RoF no post effects.

Ukee, give me more specifics:
in RoF, do you disable anistropic? I have it at x8
AA is at 4

In nhancer,
do you have trilinear optimization on? I dont
Aniso optimization? I have it on off.
prerender limit? default is set to 3 on mine.

I'll twiddle a bit with this, but I'm not optimistic.


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#2834245 - 08/04/09 05:23 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: Broadside_Uda_Barn]  
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I tried as many variables as I could think of over the last 2 hours.
All lead to the same results: Shimmering, and low fps.
Actually hit 11 fps in a dogfight lol!
nhancer doesnt do anything that cp doesnt do.

Thanks for the idea though...at least we are ruling everything out at this point.
any other ideas?

(thought we'd hear *something* from Neoqb today... )


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#2834276 - 08/04/09 08:20 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: Broadside_Uda_Barn]  
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i still think the guys who say they dont have shimmering just dont notice it smile

if you think you dont have it please could you post a screenie of your view of the distance flying at about 500ft in clear weather...then we can check settings.

just saying you dont have it with not showing us is just confusing the rest of us smile

#2834298 - 08/04/09 10:12 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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I used the combined 4xS AA (override application settings) in nhancer, plus i set the LOD bias to 'clamp' instead of 'allow' and the shimmering was greatly reduced. Vsync on (always, for TrackIR), triple buffering enabled.

#2834308 - 08/04/09 10:47 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: Laser]  
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then post a bleedin screen shot! smile

a before and after would be good smile

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#2834310 - 08/04/09 10:50 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Originally Posted By: BKHZ_Furbs
then post a bleedin screen shot! smile

a before and after would be good smile


LOL smile will do so later, now i'm at work.

#2834327 - 08/04/09 11:40 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: Laser]  
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cheers...i will make a new thread for shimmering shots smile

#2834332 - 08/04/09 11:50 AM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Broadside, I have my settings in ROF CP as AA 0 and AF Bilinear, because the nhancer has an option to override this settings with its own. Also, I'm running without post effects.

#2834373 - 08/04/09 01:00 PM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Heres a before & after for you
This is using Nhancer
Ani 16X ,enhance game settings on for aa
gamma correction on , aa transparency on super
vertical sync on application
High quality texture filtering
Top pic is set to 8X multisampling .Bottom 8XS on combined :


ROF sttings
All on high
post effects off
vertical sync on
4 X AA
8 XAF

#2834393 - 08/04/09 01:43 PM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Originally Posted By: BKHZ_Furbs
i still think the guys who say they dont have shimmering just dont notice it smile


Well, I definitely had it (shimmering) and when I found this thread and all I did was activate the "combined" form of AA (kept it at 4x) my shimmering was gone. I also didn't change a thing within the game's settings either: All on high, post effects off,
vertical sync off, 4X AA, 8X AF. Keep in mind that settings aren't the only variable in why you see what you see. Driver version will also affect this for one. Obviously it won't work for all people with all drivers and types of equipment but it's worth trying to see if it will help you. It did me. And it doesn't matter to me whether you believe me or not. neaner wink

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#2834403 - 08/04/09 01:49 PM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: -Avatar-]  
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LOL! Glad to hear its made a difference for you Avatar .Im still using the 185 nvidida drivers here if thats any help to anyone .It does hit the fps but its worth it for me WinkNGrin

#2834557 - 08/04/09 05:16 PM Re: Biggest Graphic Issue, IMHO [Re: JG2Helmutt]  
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earlier in the thread it was stated that there is NO shimmering if you are doing a turn, or slow turn. It's a clear as can be....no matter what the settings.
when you fly straight, and look ahead to to left and right, the shimmering is unmistakeable.
screenshots should show straight ahead and/or looking left/right, with no turn.

thanks for taking the time to post the shots!


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