Here I retouched a screen appeared at the official site some times ago, to make it look as my SPAD...
Added the number and the eagle.
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2834/king00004bn.jpg

cool site!

was that you on 334th server last night?
playing with vmf214_Knobhead

WWSensei, I salute your powers of prediction. This is alreasy starting to look ugly...

Salute Pat

The 127 mph figure often quoted for the Snipe is not its maximum speed, only the speed for that listed altitude.

The Snipe topped out close to 140 mph.

Even Wolfgang in his FLANDERS IN FLAMES flight model for the Snipe had it topping out at 134 mph. (which was still low, but not the speed you mention)

As far as your claim about 'cherry picking', I'll be happy to submit my sources to the scrutiny of the FM designers.

In any case, unless there is a change, the Snipe is not slated for inclusion in this Sim.

As far as planes killing their own pilots, don't lets forget the Albatros series, with their folding wings, which killed more than a few. Von Richtofen was lucky to escape one incident. Or the Dr1, which initially had a number of crashes, as a result of poor manufacturing standards of the wing. Lt Gontermanns, one of the leading German Aces, was killed in a Dr1 crash.

Von Richtofen also had a crash in one of these early DR1's.

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The fact is, aircraft design in the Great War was in its infancy, and there were many things which engineers did not understand. Engine failure, structural failure and overall lack of reliability were factors which pilots had to deal with on a regular basis.

It begins. And the friggin' sim isn't even out yet. :rolleyes: There isn't even a demo to complain about.

Well I'm looking forward to it as is the rest of JG1. RB3D is what got me into flight sims and it was a hoot. WW1 based on the IL2 engine will be just as fun.

Beware the Hun in the Sun!

Whoops. I meant to write Pup, not Snipe - and started a FM debate!

The Snipe was one of my favorites in RB3D, but I tended to steer away from it, as it didn't fly very much over France, the bulk of the small numbers held back for Home Defense.

Not prediction. History. Watched it happen for years in the WWI community and suffered many of the same arguments when we were going to do "17 Hours".

Yep,
Predictable history. (LOL) And i would like to know the source of the 140mph Snipe? production version, not the Dragonfly engine. it did do 140mph at 15k ft. the Bentley powered was the most common. 121mph or so. 113 at 15k ft. depends on which book a person uses.
Failures did happen, but so did they because of quick designs or shoddy production. early BF109f comes to mind as well...

Oh, it would be nice to fly real planes and see what the world should be. I do appologise for that, but I hate "suckers" and the "push button, helmet flameout" era. Speed has its' limits so if it is war...let it be in a fashion that is "nose to nose". I would sooner fly "hoppycopters" and get close than the stand-off intruder of current choice.
With respect,
Typhoon27

History is known to repeat itself.

~Salute!~
Lo.

The trick is to learn from it.

Check out the GT forum for the new dev.update.

http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1500

Nice stuff - the models are excellent.

Barkhorn.

It's good to see a lot of my old RB3D friends in this thread .

You all know me as LWulffe_Dumbo (originally LWulffe_Herr Mac).

And, no, I haven't actually changed squadrons...the Lone Wulffe have granted me a "leave of absence" to fly FB+AEP+PF co-op missions with my new friends in the Arctic Knights squadron (a bunch of old Falcon and LO:MAC pilots...no RB3D guys to my knowledge).

Once a Lone Wulffe, always a Lone Wulffe!

Just point me to my DRI...

Barkhorn, maybe you think so. But I think the models are ok and textures are rather average. I have seen better looking models with 3000 polys in the patches for FB/PF than I see here with the new WW1 models (with 5000+polys). I understand it's WIP, but I also hope they will aim for some higher standard. Flame me if you want, but I know what I am talking about, but on the other hand I am also a spoiled brat who demands only the best.

I think the models are really cool, do they use texture baking you think? - They have this slightly cartoonish feel which is really good, I think. I don't know what makes for it, but I think it must be the textures, because all the dimensions seem correct. Maybe it is the rather heavy wide-angle employed for the renders...

lol - well, for better or for worse my point is that WWI aircraft performance was so variable that it is pointless to talk about precise numbers. I have seen more stuff from people who claim to Know than I can shake a stick at. I would simply like to see folks admit that the the available data was not collected under pristine, uniform test conditions and therefore anything that we claim to know about these planes amounts to little more than a reasonable estimate and not a hard truth. We know general characteristics, let them get kind of close and let's leave it at that.

I am very happy to have a hope of getting a WWI sim. If the relative performance is reasonable, if it imparts a feeling of flight, if it has a good campaign engine, if it has decent AI it will be a very good thing.

Now, as to modeling the quirks like the sesquiplane's weak lower wing in a dive, that's the sort of thing that IMHO makes a WWI sim come alive. RB did a vague handwave at the issue of durability but they implemented a one size fits allformulat that did not model the specific quirks of a type. I.e. an Albatros and N17 would fail the same way as a Fokker D.VII and SPAD. It was just a matter of when.

Complex engine management should be fun

Btw if to speak about "FM flamewar" - if you have any interesting info about WWI planes - please send it to viks(at)gennadich.com

In the engine means they can resuse things liek buildings and artillery units that belong in ww1. Some new things will be REQUIRED for a ww1 sim, notably TRENCHES. Any chance some ww1 stuff might migrate into an Il-2 product at some point?

tater

Yes Freycinet, I also see the textures somewhat blurry, simple and cartoonish. But that's me. I like the realistic/detailed (photo similar) look much better. I hope the Gennadich guys will take this as a constructive criticism.