#4336262 - 02/11/17 04:24 AM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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In simulation it's not possible to have every aspect spot on.
sim•u•la•tion
n. The act or process of simulating. n. An imitation; a sham. n. Assumption of a false appearance.
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#4336278 - 02/11/17 07:54 AM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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In simulation it's not possible to have every aspect spot on.
sim•u•la•tion
n. The act or process of simulating. n. An imitation; a sham. n. Assumption of a false appearance. I agree. This is an example of a good imitation. This is an example of a bad imitation. It looks great, I agree, but it's not very realistic... Can we then agree that you can have good and bad imitations, just like you can have good and bad simulations?
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#4336309 - 02/11/17 12:34 PM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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These developers have active and retired pilots who have actually been in the aircraft and have operated said aircraft and so if they say it's "spot-on," it is spot on no matter what other documents or common sense would say. I just don't agree. IMO there are three kind of RL testers : - The i don't like virtual thing guy and no matter how bad or good the platform might be he will always complain that it does not reflect all the complexity that exist in real life and even so it does not reflect how the body feels. - The conflict of interest guy which is usually the kind of guy that these programmers have, most of time they will give their honest feedback to the developers but if questioned from outsiders he will always be so gently in those feedback and hardly fully negative (they will simply not ruin the marketing). - For last but not least the neutral guy, usually someone that enjoys virtual things but has no conflict of interest (neither know the dev nor receive any money/copies from them), he will not hold himself back from slash when the feedback is negative nor will over exaggerate anything just to push the market. Be in mind that even these are still human so the fanboy factor can still strike them. So i'm sorry but i do not buy into marketing or conflict of interest talk, people who words can put them in trouble will always measure the words before it comes from their mouth (saw many time people saying something in front of the media that is way different from what they really believe just to avoid any headache). Be sure that even 20+ years ago you will find interview of RL pilots saying that a given platform (consumer or professional) is pretty realistic even though it was not.
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#4336320 - 02/11/17 01:13 PM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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Indeed, all 15 plus dramatically different versions of the MIg-21 flight models we've have so far have all been spot on accurate Ah, you're new here so I'll explain this for you. We all know that nothing can be 100% accurate, so the first flight model was 98% accurate, then the next one was 98.12% accurate, then the next one was 98.24% accurate. Each "fix" is more accurate-er than the previous one, so you should be happy that they're constantly working on the FM. Also, all the new "fixes" that gets introduced in the base game means that this allows the devs to make the FM even more accurate-est as time goes on! All good things! - The conflict of interest guy which is usually the kind of guy that these programmers have, most of time they will give their honest feedback to the developers but if questioned from outsiders he will always be so gently in those feedback and hardly fully negative (they will simply not ruin the marketing). That shouldn't be the case. If a guy is hired to bring credibility to the aircraft's FM, then the end product should be bullet-proof. He can, should, and should be encouraged to find faults in the FM.... that's the whole point of his job. He should also be an "unknown" to the outside world that way he can't be put on the spot. If all the talks to are the devs, then there'll be no conflict of interest. If they then want a RL pilot to give his thoughts, get ANOTHER guy, have him publicly try out the sim, and then give his thoughts.... but keep the "public tester" and "private tester" separate. For me it is really hard to even think to buy the F-14 module, because: Irrelevant. The F-14 can fly like something out of the Hot Shots movie and I'll still buy it. Who cares about accuracy and high fidelity if you're in a Tomcat? *Luckily, someone over at BMS is also working on the Tomcat so it'll be best of both worlds!
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#4336333 - 02/11/17 02:12 PM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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In simulation it's not possible to have every aspect spot on.
sim•u•la•tion
n. The act or process of simulating. n. An imitation; a sham. n. Assumption of a false appearance. mis•sin•g•the•po•int n. Nodak01 Joking aside, I'm still happy to buy modules from BST, ED and most probably RAZBAM as they can turn out decently simulated aircraft. It's become abundantly clear that LN are only capable of drawing pretty pictures and are massively lacking everywhere else, and the rest of the 3rd parties, well the less said the better. Ideally the guy who does the BST and ED FM's (which i believe is the same guy) would do all the FM's.
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#4336353 - 02/11/17 04:50 PM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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Ideally the guy who does the BST and ED FM's (which i believe is the same guy) would do all the FM's.
BST have their own FM guy.
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#4336359 - 02/11/17 05:30 PM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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.. It's become abundantly clear that LN are only capable of drawing pretty pictures and are massively lacking everywhere else, and the rest of the 3rd parties, well the less said the better... Been flying AJS-37 the last 24 hours and I can assure you LN has gone pretty deep on the systems (with consideration some missing aspects being early access) and is very far from pretty pictures only. (But I still think it should be labeled "1.5.6 beta" in the DCS main menu) The 45deg AoA Fishbed is a shame though, almost a showstopper (AI wise it is, to me).
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#4336380 - 02/11/17 07:37 PM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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LOL, good hint for a future... War Thundner plane. I'd fly that! And we'll probably get it before the DCS version!
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#4336554 - 02/12/17 01:12 PM
Re: LN confirms F-14 for 2017
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^You Must've drank your Dig at VEAO Coffee this morning... and here she is with another crack....what's the best you can throw at me?? another life time ban over at ED?
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