Be happy with your tin-hat and your rose-tinted glasses, but don't expect everybody to be happy with such a limited experience.

Clearly, it seems so few people are buying the game as it stands that the devs have decided they need to add a mouse-control option to bring in new players.

Which is hilarious really for two reasons.

1) The mouse control implementation they've chosen means anyone using it is hamstrung (according to everyone that has posted their opinion of it)
2) Where is the market research that shows Mouse-control will significantly increase the userbase?

They're just guessing, and it's no more than clutching at straws unfortunately.

If they're chasing the WT crowd then there's only one option, and it's called Free-To-Play.

And as others have indicated earlier on in the thread, the game was looking so promising before release.
They were saying the things that flight-sim fans wanted to hear.

And then they pulled the rug.
Shame


{EDIT} According to one of the fans this is the future of Mouse-control



So, apparently, they expect people to spend $50 and then bin the game or buy a joystick. Sounds like a really clever strategy to increase the player-base, and a real good use of developer-time.

Yup. Everyone who says anything that doesn't concur with the negative group-think here is 'guessing', while the 'sky is falling' line is based on nothing but cold hard facts. Obvious, isn't it...

So, when is Bones Mccoy paying a visit?

Well, I've not stated you or any other die-hard fans are guessing, that much goes without saying.

I'm talking about the developers guessing at what will help sell more product.

Have you seen any market research about mouse-flying?

Do you know that they haven't done any market research, or are are you just guessing?

Tych, who from 60,000 - yes sixtyThousand WT players online a.t.m. would pay $50 just to try out how mouse works in BoS?

Just had a look, it's 67.718 ATM, of course many of them tankers, but still...
WT has hundreds of planes. FREE.
No way to compete over there.

I love RoF and BoS. Just don't like the curent arcadish path (Yes, mice).

Where have I said anything about WT? Or about anyone paying anything for anything? All I am asking is that people stop pretending that the endless negativity in this thread is based on verifiable factual evidence, rather than guesswork and mind-reading.

There have definitely been some missteps.. but my take on this series has always been we really do not know what the full plan is .. and because of the fluid nature of the business and the nature of the community.. perhaps they have chosen to just keep things relatively close to the vest... That article is interesting..



Yes that was the type of stuff I was referring to.. stuff that went beyond the usual disgruntled customer stuff.. and a lotof that was present from day one.



1- That is actually a good thing because it means that the things that folks like you and i hold dear will not be effected by that decision.

2- Who knows... Perhaps their thinking is that by making it more accessible to people who may not yet see the need for buying a joystick they will give the sim a chance to sell itself. When I started on this journey in earnest.. shortly after 9/11 ....

I had just moved to Va. and I used to go into my local Best Buy where they had CFS1 set up on a PC with a MSFFB joystick. The first time I tried it I liked it and every time I went into the store I stopped by that spot to tinker.. After 9/11 I read where the terrorists used MSFS to practice.. so by that time we had been down there a year and things were a little looser.. so about a week after 9/11 I went to BB and bought MSFS .. and as an after thought .. since I always did like Warbirds.. I bought CFS1.. My fist joystick was a Logitech something or other .. that did not even have rudder control.. I fired up MSFS... then I fired up CFS1... and MSFS became the number two.. then I went online for the first time in the MSN Gaming Zone .... and that was it... After meeting 99th_Patches online and flying with the CFS 99th I realized how limiting not having rudder control was.. Now when I was looking at joysticks I remember seeing the MSFFB for $100 and going "Pfft!! I'm not paying $100 just to get something to play a d@mn game... !!" The Saitek X-45 FUGHEDDABOUDDIT.. $80.. are you kidding me.. so I settled on the $20 stick I chose.. and it took about a month of online flying for me to break down and get a MSFFB... Then I discovered IL2... and I was all in. Since then (@2002) I have bought another MSFFB... two sets of Saitek pedals.. and X-45... an X-52... a TIR 1 (which I returned because it made me mauseous), later a 3 and my current TIR 5... not to mention my Crosswind rudder pedals acquired back in May..

My point behind all that is.. if I had not gotten my toe in the door I would not be here.. IL2 was flyable with a mouse and keyboard as well.. you just couldn't do it well... with this system you can do it well enough to fly but not well enough to do much against live pilots.. but the sim will sell itself to the uninitiated, or the lesser initiated .. by making it accessible on it's own without having to spend additional funds it leaves the door open. If there is one thing we know... people who do this are willing to spend money.. but they need something to work towards.. Are they just guessing? I have no idea.. but given the way they are doing it.. it is a good thing that does not take away from what more experienced simmers will need.

I agree.. F2P is the way to go.. and I would not be surprised in the least if that was the road they eventually took, maybe by the time the third series is ready. Even if they did not specifically say that was their plan. Look at RoF. After BoM a F2P version with say a Lagg and a F-4 and a IL2 and a Ju-87 on the small Lupino map would be a great thing and do much to jumpstart sales because the sim is not bad... and better now than it has ever been in every way. Add the two premium aircraft to the standard edition at the same price it is now and do away with the Premium in BoS altogether while leaving BoM the same. It would be a smart move IMO.

Considering the members of this forum are part of the target demographic, I'm pretty sure if there were any market research conducted we would have taken part, or at least heard about it.

You can call that a guess if it makes you feel better.

How can anyone claim that putting new players at a disadvantage is a good thing for the game?
Surely it will simply frustrate this influx of new players.

How will that experience attract new players?

I think a distinct danger now is that these potential new players are likely to hear from other new players how difficult it is, and how you can't do certain manoeuvres and decide it's not for them after all.

If you're not going to give players an even playing field you're inviting raging criticism.

Hasn't anyone learned anything for the last 30 years of gaming?

I think that developers will have learned by now that no matter what they do, a good few of their customers will insist that they have done it wrong. And come up with all sorts of contradictory reasons why.

A good business gives its customers what they want.

A bad business tells the customer what they should want instead.

It's really constructive when someone quotes the smallest part of your message, and twists their response, out of context, to fit their own narrow viewpoint.

Yep. The thing that surprised me the most was the age data. It means you and I are still relevant, at least somewhat...lol

Thanks for posting it again, CyBerkut!

How? Easily... all that means is that they will eventually have to buy a joystick to get the most out of the sim. The two alternatives are to leave it as it is... which is even harder for anyone without a joystick... so they won't even look at it.. or to change the FMs to accommodate non joystick users.. War Thunder does that... so why? I don't see a danger.. I think that if new players who don't want to try the sim because you need a joystick to do the most rudimentary stuff have the option to at least try it.



+1

Back on topic...

Tanks. Cool. Having to jump from driver to gunner seat, not really cool. In fact not sure how practical this really would be. Should you drive until you get shot, and then stop? What chance you will see your enemy through driver slit? Strange gameplay choice which is why other tank sims have the commander view.

Still not clear what this would offer that WoT, WT etc don't already offer...maybe tank cockpit view?

Have been driving around the new Stalingrad map in War Thunder Ground Forces, tractor factory area, very very cool. Destructible buildings... I was hiding in one and a bomb hit and brought it down on top of me. Buildings and ruins really great, but maps are a bit claustrophic so there is some potential in the big BoS/M maps if you can put enough units on there so you dont have to drive for an hour to meet the enemy.

Pretty sure tanks in this sim would be disappointing tho - very few types, difficult gamepay (the driver, gunner thing) ground objects less complex than other games to name a few reasons).

That said, if it was free I'd give it a try!!

Exactly. If it were free. Most folk would give it a try if it were free, but these jokers are charging $50 $90.
What bearcat and others are saying is that the devs are hoping to trick new customers out of their money to try the mouse mode and if they don't like it they can "piss off or buy a joystick" but thanks for the money anyway.

I'm sure it'll be really great, there will be a huge influx of new players eager to spend $50 so they can try fly-by-mouse, and the future of the game will be secured.

Or those mouse pilots will stick with the free mouse flying games that already exist, and the BOS devs will attempt another hair-brained idea.

So far they haven't managed to make plan A work out for their customers/investors.

@Johnny_Redd: Evidently your reading comprehension skills are somewhat lacking...

Evidently you're interpreting what was written differently, but wrongly so, imo.

That beside, slighting fellow forum members automatically sets you wrong, in my book anyway.