Wags posted about an hour ago that the 190 release date for digital D/L will be some time in August. Of course there is the normal disclaimer that every thing is subject to change.

Good news for those who need a flying target for the 51 or the other way around.

We've known this since the June WWII Press Release

Yes, and as it is now...mid-June...this information is now seriously dated!



The Jedi Master

Matts first post 6-7-14 stated that the time line was a basic outline. His latest 6-16-14 post made it official for the 190, and of course subject to change.

new information "pre" order available

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2101128#post2101128

If you backed less that 200$ (apparently) you take it up yours.
To get the module you have to wait the delivery of the final package.

Nice pile of dung to swallow...

But official news are not out yet so... it may be inaccurate.

Wags update:
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2101600&postcount=2

The BoS FW 190 A3 will be released next week. What are the main differences between the A3 and D9 (too lazy to look it up but figured the Dora fans here would know!)

H

In very simple terms, the difference is similar to the difference between the P-36 Hawk and the P-40 Warhawk: airframe modified to replace air-cooled radial engine with water-cooled inline engine. It was an intermediate step in the direction of the Ta-152. The principal purpose was to put the Fw190 on par or better with P-51D, which it largely did, particularly at medium and low altitudes.

Call it the F-15C and F-15E. The 190A series was better suited for ground attack (especially the A5). The D series was created as a bomber interceptor. If any D's did ground attack it's a footnote in history, the A's had it covered.

The A was basically the German P-47. The D was heavily redesigned to make it lighter, faster, and with a higher ceiling. This culminated in the Ta152 series, which you can think of as "Ta-152 is to the D9 as the D9 is to the A". The 152s were also a footnote in the war.



The Jedi Master

Interesting. I thought it gave the air to air edge to Germany vs the Spit V until the Spit IX came along. Didnt realise it was a mud mover...but of course, thats what would have been needed on the eastern front.

Thx

H

The A5 was a mudmover as it had more armor. The A3/8 were used in that role as well as air to air, just like the P-47s were. It was a true multirole plane, but it did have some performance deficiencies vs Allied fighters, just as a P-47 can't go dogfighting 109s.

The Spit V had its own issues, which is why the IX was being made. It's also why you had 2 Spit types--the cut-winged, rolling dogfighter and the oval-winged for higher alt/longer range.

Let me put it this way--in a WWII sim, if I'm trying to stop Allied fighters, I grab a 109. If I'm trying to stop bombers (including P-47s), I grab a 190 (unless I can get a 262 ). The 190 could take more damage and dish out more, but it wasn't the choice for a dogfight if you could help it. It COULD do it, it just took a higher skill level than a 109 vs the identical Allied opponent.

The D9 altered that balance...it was the Fw Bf109 in some ways.



The Jedi Master

You might want to tell that to a lot of WWII Jug pilots with 109 kills.
They did just fine actually.

You should read "Hellhawks"

Or Thunderbolt for that matter.

I didn't say they couldn't fight them. I said they didn't go dogfighting them by choice.



The Jedi Master

I think you're assuming dogfight means a protracted turn fight between 2 aircraft.
A dogfight is an areal battle between fighter aircraft, and the Jug gave at least as good as it got.

You may also want to read - The Long Reach

Well, yes, that is how I'm using "dogfight." If there isn't a lot of turning going on, it's not a dogfight. They usually end in a few minutes at most. If it's protracted, it's a far longer battle than a dogfight. A Bf109 and a B-17 can't get into a dogfight. A Ju88 and a Spit can't get into a dogfight.

It's not an assumption, it's a clarification in the method of using the aircraft. The P-47 was not good at "dogfighting," but if they managed to keep their speed up and make slashing/diving attacks they were quite effective.

To just say that anytime there's a battle between 2 airplanes is a dogfight is overly broad and that's not how I'm using it. I've read many accounts where the pilot will say something like "then it turned into a real dogfight" because they'd degenerated into a turning battle.

So go back over my posts and apply my definition to what I've said, not yours, and you'll see it makes sense.




The Jedi Master

I hear ya

Boom and Zoom?

Wouldn't that be a, 'dog fight'?

To some "dogfighting" resembles the turning WWI battles where the phrase originated and not other areal engagements that lack that quality. A fight between dogs is a close and tangled mess. You wouldn't normally expect fighting dogs (the animals) to conduct high speed passes on each other. In this scheme a MiG-25 isn't a dogfighter insomuch as it doesn't rely on maneuvering for its advantage.

When discussing the relative air to air combat characteristics of airplanes the terms "energy fighter" and "turning fighter" can be more clear as to which category that airplane invests most heavily. Further distinctions such as "interceptor" "point defense" and "escort" give insight into mission criteria.