No I will not buy the sequel it does not interest me. Bait and switch is [admin edit - no accusations like that please]. Its so sad a company will not support their buggy product unless you keep paying.

I agree no one should buy the Sequel unless the game engine is fixed. Your suggestion that these fixes aren't going to happen are no more accurate that my suggestion that they will. Although I have a much better chance of it happening as long as the development stays in business, and merges Sequels. I've did say in the past COD will be fixed thru patches and Sequels, by the devs and community, but stated no time frame for those fixes. You can continue spewing your negativity, and I can continue a more positive stance, but neither will make much difference. Its quite possible that the development will fail and you can bang your chest in a empty forum.

I didn't ask you if you'd buy the sequel that doesn't interest you. The development did support all their past products with Sequels that added content, but when you find a developer who does that for free let me know.

I don't think this news is particularly dramatic or unexpected - they need to keep going forward if they are to survive.

But what I'm puzzled about is why it's taking so long for the sequel to be officially announced.

My understanding was that COD would be published by Ubisoft but beyond that no agreements were made. So if 1C Maddox are going to self publish the sequel then we might find the same awkward position that Eagle Dynamics are in with regards to LOMAC.

Does anyone know if Ubisoft will be involved with the sequel?

The difference between our views is that mine is based on history and is therefore more reality based. 1C has never had an issue with deceiving their customers as far as COD is concerned. They will do the bare minimum to get BOM out the door and I'm just saying that we should exercise caution this time around.

All games/sims I know don't force you to buy sequels to fix bug problems. It called bait and switch which is [admin edit - no accusations like that please].

If you want to talk history, Maddox Games has a ten year history of supporting their products, so I believe my opinion is more reality based than yours. Yes Maddox Games released one unfinished product, but said they would continue working on it, and have continued to do so for the last two years and are still working on it. We will probably see the RC patch relatively soon and see further support when/if we buy the Sequel. This is a problem for those with no interest in the Sequel, but most people will buy the Sequel if the game engine is fixed. I do agree it would be good business for the development to provide a patch exclusively for COD after the release of the Sequel with some fixes, but not new features.

Who cares! They are playing bait and switch it is a disgrace to force people to pay for bug fix patches. PERIOD.

Last I heard they were providing an RC patch to fix bugs, how many bugs it will fix is another question. We will have to wait and see.

For one AA. B6 said it will be after this patch. To make CoD owners buy a sequel to get that bug fix is bait and switch [admin edit - no accusations like that please], plain and simple.

I kinda have to agree with Icarus1. Its seems odd to plan a sequel to a hard to make it work unfinished game instead of one that works?
However, with that said, If they gave up the code so modders could work their magic then I would Buy it.

I'm sure you can find more issues than AA that won't be fixed anytime soon. I doubt the developer set out to bait and switch anyone and hoped to have the sim fixed long before now, but #%&*$# happens in real life. You have the full right to exercise your indignation with forum posts and by not supporting further products. I will however contradict you when I feel your misrepresenting what the development is trying to do, not because your wrong to have an opinion, but only to suggest to others, that its not as bad as you might suggest. Personally I've found the wait excruciating, but have some empathy for their difficulties, and will probably support them until I feel they are no longer working toward a better product.

" I’m sure most of you will agree that we have already supported our release more than perhaps any other developer in a similar situation. "

Uh....No? You don't get "brownie points" for trying to fix the mess you made in the first place. Your customer is rightly entitled to a product that is reasonably optimized and error free.

"Most of you have probably guessed that Cliffs of Dover was not exactly the most profitable project in the world, and for at least the past year supporting it did nothing for the bottom line but put it deeper into the red."

Again, YOUR fault, no one else.

This project is loosing money because you routinely and repeatedly failed to deliver. As a result, an ever-growing contingent of your core audience is jaded of delays, excuses, mismanagement, and being kept in the dark. They've voted with their wallets,and turned potential customers away. Reputations, good and bad, are earned.

Welcome to capitalism, comrade...

Unfortunately but logically spending time fixing the game engine only for COD and not addressing future cash flow would be fatal. So they are fixing the game engine which will go along way in fixing COD and making the Sequel a success.

Not one more dime...

ever.

I've read all the discussions between the Fanbois and the Haters. I was always more of a hoper.


Now I'm a no hoper!

Its either bait and switch [admin edit - no accusations like that please] or free bug fixes. Simple as that. There is no reason (other than [admin edit - no accusations like that please]) to force people to buy bug fixes.

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I think the Community is way too harsh and too critical.
True CoD isn't what we had anticipated, I think Oleg said way too much at the beginning and everyone held him to it.
UBISoft who IMO has had some degree of blame in all this because of what they did in the past (the Grumman debacle) and evidently they held a contract for the sequel, pushed it out early, and Oleg out the door..
or so I imagine because production has obviously suffered ever since he left.
The Banana Forums are a joke and it does 1C more harm than good, they may get some useful facts and info but they also get a lot of crap from people who go there to be asshats and know-it-alls looking for an argument.
The Devs really shouldn't share anything, but they could still ask for info and while not telling anyone what they are up to until something is completely done it keeps some anticipation for new things (like what Jason does with RoF) while still being respectable and not getting baited into or allowing the religious zealotry in the Forum over some rivet or latch. The IL-2 Forums have always been a zoo, but it has gotten truly ridiculous in the last few years. The attempt to somehow give them an answer man (B6) is now to put the entire focus on this poor guy to give answers he can't give, truly that is brutally Russian.
So I have bought every one of the several iterations of Il-2, from the stand alone original through FB, Aces, PF, SoM and then I bought it all again with 1946. I got CoD from an Overseas Vendor full price and downloaded it from Steam before it was available in the US and while I'm disappointed a little, I'm no more upset about it than I was in finding that the P-39 was the only Allied plane when I first bought Sturmovik, I still played the hell out of it on a PC with barely enough to run it and it was still the coolest flight sim I had ever seen. So now here we are full circle and I guess we will just have to play IL-2 1946 a little while longer. Cliffs is still a baby, wait till it has all of it's teeth and can eat solid food and it will be just as amazing (as long as they stay in business) but it will take a few more planes and maps and objects which still need to be made for any sequel before it will be anywhere near ready. I probably won't buy the sequel instantly but I might just wait till the next one after that...and there's other stuff to fly,
I mean RoF has Seaplanes ...