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#3303371 - 05/25/11 05:28 PM Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference...  
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I have noticed the tactical reference in AF refers to the F16 having the F110 engines (block 40/42) but only showing a max thrust as sea level as 22k lb when then actual thrust is 29k lb...I assume that this is just a error in the reference and the aircraft is modelled correctly with 29k lb (with full AB) ?


Are the 2 different engines (F100 and F110) both modelled in game with differing performance figures ?


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#3304211 - 05/26/11 04:29 PM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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Any thoughts people ?

#3305396 - 05/27/11 11:20 PM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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A typo? Yes, the different engines and their performance is modeled.


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#3309896 - 06/03/11 07:22 AM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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Remember there are different - numbers for those engines also.

#3309912 - 06/03/11 07:53 AM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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Junker - yes, Its just that I dont read 29000lb anywhere. Thrust at sea level is less than at 10k ft say but then all other aircrafts thrust is correct ?

#3310186 - 06/03/11 04:00 PM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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The original F110-GE-100 engine was delivered in the 40/42 block F-16 providing 28K pounds of thrust when the F-16 was equipped with the Modular Common Inlet Duct (only maximum thrust of 25,735 lb without the MCID in the Block 30). The version you are referring to with the 29.4K pounds of thrust is the -129 version of the F110. It didn't go into production until 1992 in the Block 50 F-16. Hope this helps.

Interesting background study here on the "Great Engine War" aka Alternate Fighter Engine Program (AFEP): http://www.rand.org/pubs/notes/2007/N3618.pdf

I worked at the Engine SPO at Wright-Patterson AFB (ASD/YZ at the time; '84-'89) during the AFEP program. It was exciting times! wink

#3310195 - 06/03/11 04:18 PM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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Great link LoD - I just noticed that no where in the Tac Ref is there reference to thrust with AB greater than 22k lb. This is regarding all blocks. Probably a typo but strange considering most other aircraft are given correct figures.


Were you ever given the chance to go up in one ?

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Originally Posted By: Jonno
Great link LoD - I just noticed that no where in the Tac Ref is there reference to thrust with AB greater than 22k lb. This is regarding all blocks. Probably a typo but strange considering most other aircraft are given correct figures.


Were you ever given the chance to go up in one ?


Nope. Never got the chance. I didn't work on either the F100 or the F110 engine programs. I was working another engine at the time. Just had friends who worked those programs.

#3310224 - 06/03/11 05:02 PM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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Thats a shame, of the people I would of thought who 'deserved' to, I would of thought those who were involved in any way were. Then again, I suppose its not a theme park Smile2

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#3310310 - 06/03/11 06:59 PM Re: Incorrect Thrust - Tactical reference... [Re: Jonno]  
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It is an error in the way tactical reference was compiled its data , it ended up using wrong values ,not max ones .
We never got around to editing them manually like it used to be .

Ed

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Originally Posted By: Ed_1
It is an error in the way tactical reference was compiled its data , it ended up using wrong values ,not max ones .
We never got around to editing them manually like it used to be .

Ed


Hi Ed - any news on Falcon 5.0? sigh


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