[quote=Freycinet]

If you are enjoying it for "what it is" then describe what it is! You can't. None of you can, because deep down you know you've been duped. You know it's not a playable sim. You know it's not the sim you were counting on. You know a ton of things don't work as they should. So then, WHAT EXACTLY IS COD?

Nice! You compare a game that was just JUST RELEASED to one that was released 12 years ago? LMAO!!! Pathetic effort, Fearless. Absolutely pathetic. Thousands were playing GR Classic when it had only been out a few months. LMAO!!! Brand new, shiny new, as another poster put it, and it can't draw a crowd. EPIC FAIL!

You are correct, sir. It is CLOD not COD. Clod as in Clumsy piece of coaster-ware. Cliffs of Dover has crashed and burned. The so-called greatest multi-player sim of all time has no one online. Why some refuse to move on from the first of the five stages of grief -aka "denial"- is almost heartbreaking. I do have some empathy, you know.

Sounds like the classical stages of going through a divorce or losing a loved one. This is a flight sim!

But of course this kind of behaviour pattern explains the sulphurous rage some people are showing towards CoD. Just too bad they feel like taking it out on the rest of the world who enjoy the sim for what it is, hope it will get better, and actually just want to discuss how to get there.

Man this is funny Take that Fearless...

Eh, Fearless, just as a little side note, I hope you don't think I agreed with Plainsman's crazy outbursts. He is obviously so over-the-top raving that his riposte to you just seemed super-funny. No need to apologize for your humorous copying of his ... hmm... conversation style.

Frey will you just stop with constant hater routine.I really enjoy your vid's but your crusade against any who have a different opinion to you is starting to border on the insane.BKHZ TREE and others have valid concerns which you constantly belittle.Just my 2 cents worth, rant off

Actually Frey, for me it is worth apologizing. It doesn't matter to me how other people act, you can't control that, so all I can do is either not act like an ass, or if I do (which happens more often than I'd like) then apologize and move on. It is irrelevant to me what starts it or what others say - it's up to me to control my own actions.

Hey Frog,

When I've engaged in the discussions it is because I've enjoyed it, so there hasn't been any loss on my part and I've been happy to go on as long as I felt like it. The moment I would be annoyed by taking part in the discussions I'd just quit. I've never been fazed or demoralised or dejected about any of those exchanges, actually to the contrary, I've been having great fun, so there has been no downside about the discussions for me at least. I would have been quite happy to go on, but the powers that be have felt like clamping down on things and that is probably a good thing, because - as I see it - that will mainly dampen the "other side"...

You haven't been around for so long, but the RoF forum was more or less the same as this forum two years ago. An equal amount of unreasonable FlaK came that sim's way and I felt I'd stand up for it, which I did. Now the "other side" has melted away from that forum and I hope the same will be the case in here, when the many bugs of CoD are gradually dealt with.

But you know what? RoF was actually hanging in the balance for a while. And if there had been exclusively withering criticism of it in the forum, with none of the positives ever being mentioned, I think it could very well have gone the way of Whirlybirds over Vietnam, or whatever that chopper sim was called. Who knows if anybody would have made the crucial cash injection in the programming team if the those who [severely disliked] RoF had had the scene to themselves, as they wanted?

There was a clear attempt to bury that sim, by those who [severely disliked] the DRM and the online requirement. They were more than happy to kill the sim to force through their point. Anyway, via PM's I know that my combativeness was appreciated by those who - due to their position - couldn't really get into the rough and tumble.

I am not taking any credit for RoF surviving that rough patch. That credit goes exclusively to Jason and the programming team. But I just felt RoF was being treated in an unfair way, because some people totally out-shouted the ones who tried to enjoy what was there. And I guess my attitude towards what I see as unbalanced criticism is to stand up for what has the potential to be really good. Turning the other cheek doesn't always work in the real world, unfortunately. Most importantly I've had fun discussing, because sometimes the [severe dislikers] have just been too way over the top. Like calling a sim that has received 3 patches in three months "abandonware"...

This is my last posting and last read of this thread. See you around Frog... (PM sent to you)

if I wanted to do uncoordinated turns at 30 mph I'd buy a Mexican-made car

Hehehe, fair enough Frog....slight exaggeration but its not everyones cup of tea. A lot of people like wobbling around the sky like a Sky-weeble on Horse tranquilisers....It's fun. You can actually build up a good head o' steam in a Spad and others in a dive however.....and its far more of a challenge than 'C.hasm O.f D.isappointment.

By the same token though, if I wanted the ability to incorporeally fly through Oak Tree's a la COD, I'd practice the art of Astral Projection. *Assumes lotus position* Auuuum.

And that's the problem.

I dont think anyone here is making a real effort to 'kill' or 'bury' the game. The language is wrong, too emotive. I dont see petitions, I dont see legal actions, I dont see organised protest. Besides, SimHQ wouldn't allow it.

What I see are people telling it according to how they see it, and frustrate din many cases.

I also dont think the parallels between RoF and CLod are all that strong.
Either way, it's clear some lessons should be learned with this game, whether it ultimately succeeds or fails.

Ben