I am going to post a reply I made on this thread.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3270186/1.html

The IL-2 series has always had poor ground handling dynamics. In a taildragger the centre of gravity is behind the main wheels, this makes the tail of the aircraft want to be the front of the aircraft, which is a very bad thing. A ground loop is what happens when the pilot isn't quick enough on the rudder pedals to keep the tail from swinging round while on the ground. Here are some clips of a ground loop. Rise of Flight models ground handling and ground loops far more realistically than CoD. Actually that isn't true, because CoD doesn't model them at all.

A Texan, similar vintage to the kites you are flying in CoD



LOL how many of us have done this to a Camel in RoF

I think we have more chance of seeing flying pigs appearing in this sim than that...

hey, my landings in a Camel in RoF, are always a "smash" on the ground after some 'circles' instant stand still

but its nice to see how the Pilot there is slipping in....something i always do with the other planes
and something of my favorites in real flightlessons in a Cessna 152 - i always smiled doing that

your only chance might be this Desastersoft AdOn campaign
http://desastersoft.com/de/1/0/0/0/0/0/news.html

these guys are realy behind this peace of ..... called CoD FMB

If you want try their Demo, your game has to be set (via Steam) to german language - just as advice.

Thanks for the info, you are probably right in that the ground handling is a little oversimplified in CLOD, on the other hand the plane in your video maybe a similar vintage to the spits hurris and 109s, yet in design far closer to the planes in ROF, would you not agree?
Regardless of which, we've been informed that the FM will be improved with tomorrows patch along with a lot of other issues. Fingers crossed we will have some more positive threads after that. Heres hoping.........

Well, I wouldn't bet my paycheque on it!

Massive fix-all patch? Two weeks, be sure. LOL

It is not a "little oversimplified", it is totally wrong. Sorry, but to claim the ground handling is oversimplified in CoD is similar to claiming the same thing about the car physics in Mario Kart.


No, I wouldn't and to be honest you would be hard pressed finding someone who thinks the T-6 Texan was closer to a WWI aircraft in design than it is to a Spitfire, Me109 or Hurricane. Even despite this fact, a taildragger is a taildragger is a taildragger and they ALL have a tendancy to ground loop due to the reason I pointed out about centre of gravity being behind the main wheels. As Scotty was fond of pointing out in Star Trek, "Ya cannae change the laws of physics", unless you are in CoD then anything goes I suppose.


I agree, we will see how it pans out after the patch is released. The previous patches were the devs panicking to get some semblance of decent performance out of the game. Hopefully future patches will begin to address the other serious FM issues and lack of meaningfull and broken content.

+1

It was the 'physics' aspect of the design to which I was referring. The wheels on the biplane in that video are in front of the wing, much further forward than the 3 planes I refered to in my post, the Spitfire, Me109 and Hurricane, which have the main wheels directly under the wings. Therefore the distance between the 'pivot point'(the wheels) and the centre of gravity is shorter, making the tendency of the aircraft in question to groundloop less. Your other points I do not dispute. Mariocart though! Come on its not that bad.....

Agreed, the problem is that a lot of the apologists here would have us believe CoD is already a great sim. There are also those who would have us believe CoD is beyond redemption and has nothing going for it.

Thanks for posting that link, Frankyboy. It looks like those German guys at Desastersoft are really on it. Wish I could read German - this would be a good time to try Babelfish to translate it, I suppose. I'm not going to muck about with Steam to try it, but it gives us hope that other similar efforts are underway with FMB.

It'll be interesting to see if there is indeed another beta patch released tomorrow and, if so, what it actually addresses vs the June 3rd announcement of it!

The salient point being made is that CoD does not model ground loops at all, not that one type of aircraft would groundloop easier than another. Regarding the Mario kart anology, it was used to dispute your point that the ground handling physics in CoD are only "a little oversimplified". They are not only "a little oversimplified", they are practically non-existant.

Agreed. When I start snaking around airfields after tomorrow I'll know who to blame.

No need to get personal and stomp your feet just because i disagree with u, get over it instead.

As for ground handling (wonder whats next, underwater physics modeling maby? Water does play a large part in BoB, no?) i can live with what ever as long as take off speeds etc is fairly accurate.(to be honest i could live with them not beeing accurate to)

Btw, this: "Considering that take-off and landing are a large part of flying that leaves CoD seriously lacking as anything other than a skirmish simulator"...are u serious? What has one to do with the other? Yes, i know, one has to take of and land, but really?


Never mind, my its me, maby i missed all those countless books on the all important topic of "ground handling of WWII era fighters during BoB and its impact on air warfare" and "Ground handling - why Luftwaffe lost the war"

See what I mean, the best he can come up with is that ground handling in a so called sim doesn't matter. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so stupid and downright idiotic to believe that ground handling is unimportant in a flight sim.

What next, just remove take-offs and landings altogether, after all, it is the flying that matters.

C'mon, get a grip.

He can't!
He must use anything.... anything to denigrate this sim, it's his mission.
It doesn't matter that he presents himself in a less than favorable light
by presenting such "very important facts" like the missing ground loop.
That fits seamless with his exaggerations.

This sim has its faults, no denying that, but they've been presented again and again and again -> boooring.
The devs are working to solve the problems, and maybe, just maybe, when the important things are solved, the "oh so, very important"
ground-loop will be implemented.

Instead of trying to pull something down (always the easier part), one should strive to build something,
and be it the good reputation of a sim.

Such utter nonsense, I don't need to denigrate this sim, it does that very well on its own judging by the many poor reviews it has received. Can you also point me to where it was said this sim has a good reputation, becuase like it or not, it doesn't.

Geez, he was 92! How much can he possibly remember? You're going by a 92 year old's ability to recall exactly an experience he had 70 years ago? LOL

@2005AD

you might try again to read what i've written, but then again your opinion might be graved in stone.
My opinion differs, as i look for the positive things in this sim, much more satisfying imho :-D