Interesting point about the WWII veterans, I remember an excellent post on this forum a couple of weeks ago, one of the forum members actually put his 92 yr old Grandfather on CloD, who actually was a WWII Spit pilot. His verdict on taking off, (the OP set the fuel mix etc on his Grandfathers instruction) engaging a 109 in a knife fight, and after running out of ammo, honours even he returned to base, navigating back by memory. On landing the OP asked him what he thought, and he replied that it was exactly as he remembered, when asked about the colours he said 'as long as the other plane has a black cross on the side then I've got something to shoot at' or something very similar.
Interesting opinion from someone who was actually there......
I'll add a link to the OP when I have a bit more time.

I missed that one Bokonomist, would be very interrested to see it!

This forum is frankly pretty useless, only populated by people deriving a strange sadistic delight in slagging the sim, so it would be nice to read an actual opinion by someone who isn't just a modern-day whiner, but would have something relevant to say.

U had a "detailed" observation about pretty much everything, hence my "if u spray and pray your bound to hit something" (thx for confirming that btw)

"Detailed" observations that changed ever so slightly along the way until, when we got the facts from the horses mouth, u where magically "saying it all along"

Thats not "detailed" observations, thats stabbing in the dark.

So, no, u didnt have a greater understanding/insight of the inner workings of the development process than the rest of us.

U just expected a hell of alot more then most of us.

Each to their own but I feel that it's no good at the moment, a simulator of 1 on 1 dogfights it may be but I'm after a Battle of Britain simulator.

And while am at it what's with the bloody attitude?

No "attitude" as far as i can see but your "Lets be honest in its current form its no fun" kind of implies that it holds true for everyone when it clearly doesnt.

here is the link frey http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ub...tml#Post3299131 . Can't do anything better than that at the moment as I'm on my phone. If you are at your desktop at the moment, why don't you repost it?
It's definitely worth a read.

Definitely true. No matter how bad a game there's always those that still find it fun. Hell battlecruiser 3000ad actually has fans that think it's the best game ever. Even the spice girls and menudo had fans.

But people speak in generalizations and we know what he meant and rather than argue semantics it's easier to just say that so far the majority feel the game is severely lacking.

CLOD is the daikatana of flight sims in my opinion, long in development, overhyped and under delivered. It will have rabid fans for no other reason than who was involved with it's development, but the game itself is severely lacking and will probably never live up.

You certainly went on to confirm the generalizations thing...

Fieldy, you entered with an attitude, "let's just be honest", implying that all who disagree with you are not.

Who needs a game???
I want a sim!!
The game stuff, like medals, campaigns or careers is not necessary as the only worthy opponent for me is not a silicon-chip.
The missions and online wars are already in the making, so when th online mode is working the servers will be filled rapidly.
The offline missions, i.e. by desastersoft, are good enough for now, until the online mode is patched and the soundbug gone.

Plainsman, once more for the record.

WE ARE REVIEWING THE NORTH AMERICAN RELEASE, NOT "WAITING FOR A PATCH."

We did the same for Black Shark, Rise of Flight, and several other games and sims that had staggered global releases.

It's pretty rare that a "foreign" copy is purchased for a review.

We don't give scores in SimHQ reviews for a very good reason - they don't really reflect anything but an arbitrary score.

The best scale is PC Gamer's, but even then you have to remember what it means. RoF based on my recommendations would have gotten a 75% on the PC Gamer scale - great for those who are into the genre, not so much for those outside of it. As it was, it got three "scores:" 25% for non-flight simmers, 65% for flight sim types, and 85% for WWI flight sim geeks.

I had not been involved into the game development at all. I abandoned my flight sim hobby years ago actually and even didn't know they are going to release a new il2. So I had no expectations at all. Then I suddenly found an advertisement and bought both WoP and CloD. Since my first takeoff in 109 early at dawn I forgot about WoP completely. I don't like colors in WoP actually – too processed for my taste - and found CloD's just ok not mentioning all the great sunsets/dawns, lighting and cockpits in CloD.
I found CloD a game I always waited before and amazing even with some stutters occasionally.
So there was quite a shock when I read all that negativity here. I do not write in gaming forums usually but that much of a hate prompted me to say something opposite.

Yes, thats the difference between u and most others here (who are negative), they have had their expectations built up for 4-5 years. Pretty much anything/everything is gonna be a disappointment after as hype like that if they are unable to cope with setbacks and temporary bugs.

I'm not sure about this. I know online gaming is supposed to be on a rising curve, but I suspect that the fraction of flight-sim purchasers venturing online is still quite small. If that is true, then offline stuff like a decent AI or campaigns is still very important.

Yes, COD was released before it was finished, and we have a right to be pissed. As it stands we can support COD and give it a chance to expand far beyond anything we've seen with the original IL-2 series or let it die. Which would we prefer?

I must say that "Combat flight sim" 1 to 3 "and "wings of prey' where disapointing, to arcade, but not COD.

i would say BUGs are there. Some people enjoy the game anyway, others not.

Playable content:
-online with online events/wars or dedicated scripted servers
-offline career/missions
of IL2'46 mostly was done by 3.Party folks ! And i guess it will be in the CoD (and it possible followers) the same.
The people still have to learn how to use the FMB (not easy with its scripting and no official documentation at all) and envent.logs.

i can remember the first IL2 online war, where you had to make the after missionreport manually to the host
The game improved. CoD will most propably too.

But "gamecontent" , i doubt it will come from 1C , like in the past.
That the new series is limited in its scenarios , we all know for a long time already. Not without reason the 'working title" for a long time was SoW:BoB

Actually, it depends on what you're after. The simplified CEM was a long-standing gripe of mine in IL2, as it considerably imbalanced the match-ups in a non-historical way. After installing CoD i haven't fired up Il2 once, it feels like a toy now. Sure, the CEM in CoD is not 100% correct and neither are the FMs just yet, i do miss the wide selection of different fronts and my 190 from time to time, but i can't go back to the simplified workload and subsequent dumbing-down of tactical considerations it causes during an engagement.


This sentiment can be applied to every other aspect of the sim as well. Sure, there have been a couple of advertised features that got the axe at the last moment before release and people have a right to be annoyed at that.

On the other hand, a great many people were expecting the sun and stars when there was no clear promise made for them. I didn't expect the complete battle of Britain simulated experience, the wealth of IL2's theaters and amount of flyables, the out of the box seamless operation, a dynamic campaign, etc...what i expected was a foundation framework for developing flight sims with cool features in the future, along with a historical setting so that they can have an excuse to go out and put it on sale in order to generate the necessary funds for continued development.

And this i expected because i read what the developers said and paid attention to how they said it. Yes, i got that expectation straight from the weekly Friday updates. So how come it's so different that the interpretation of those who were over-expecting and got disappointed? It's simple and it's called wishful thinking.

Whenever a sort of "funky", ground breaking or never before done feature was asked for, discussed or put forth as an idea, the usual response by the developers was "it's possible". They didn't say if or when it will be in the sim, they only said it can happen. If people transform this in their minds into a "the sim will have transparent water/dynamic campaign/your favorite feature" statement and hold it to the standard of a promise, they only have themselves to blame for getting disappointed.

It was plainly obvious for anyone bothering to read between the lines a little bit what we would get: a complex engine that attempts to do so much it will invariably suffer a host of teething troubles, have to initially use place-holders from the older series to plug a few holes and be a near constant work in progress.

The only faults on the part of 1c/Ubi where:
1) Not being upfront about it a couple of weeks before release and
2) Not selling it as a beta a la DCS A-10. Tell any gamer he's getting a privileged sneak peek or he's being elevated to beta tester status (or any other "inside circle of the initiated") and he will make an effort to provide useful feedback on problems instead of whining, or at least shut up and contain the whining so that others can do it for him.

As for whether it should have been delayed or not, the biggest proponents of "they should have waited until it was ready" are usually the same people who were impatient to get an early copy even at the cost of not running well enough. I knew i would either get an early release of an unfinished sim or a further delayed release of a more complete title and i was fine either way. I'm not disappointed because i got exactly what i expected and it contains the foundation for every single feature i wanted to be implemented in the future.

I'm beginning to suspect that different people like different things.

You have the wisdom of Solomon as always Fearless, btw I have been meaning to ask for a while- How does CLOD run on your machine? I ask because you seem to have one of the lowest specced sigs around these parts......

Not too bad, although I've been on the road so much that the only real combat I've seen has been on this forum. Got about 4 kills so far, and a couple of unconfirmed.

My Q6600 is overclocked to 4 GHz (a water cooler thing, one of those self-contained units rather than the aquarium stuff) so it still represents a fair bit of CPU umph. The ATI 4890 was always a bit of a beast DX10-wise, so it can throw around the frames about 40 fps over water and 25-30 over land. Ironically COD seems to be aimed at previous gen GPU's like this, and probably doesn't take full advantage of the better cards out there just yet.

I haven't really gone back to London though (it's kind of like Ravenholm for CoD - 'We don't go to London' ) since the various patches so feel a bit behind the times to comment on performance.