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#3995605 - 08/14/14 08:08 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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The forum says there are over 200 people viewing this section. Damn that Mace and his pizza.

#3995606 - 08/14/14 08:11 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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That's not just a pizza...it's a pizzabis that was widely exported in the 1970s! wink

Actually, the A-10C is the easiest plane to land in DCS right now excluding the FC planes like the 33. Of course, after 10 years the 25T doesn't give me too many problems anymore.

The other night I was playing MP with a friend and he mistakenly was taxiing his 25T on the right side of the taxiway. So I hit the throttle and flew past him with inches to spare on the left and took off from the taxiway, just clearing the berm at the end of it by a couple of feet. His scream was priceless. biggrin





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#3995696 - 08/14/14 11:13 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Ok, I'll get in on this... wink




Maybe i just never noticed them looking like this before but the wingtip vortices are amazing!

#3995720 - 08/15/14 12:44 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Here are some shots from an intercept I ran earlier. My impression is that it is going to be an easy aircraft to learn but a very, very hard one to master. A lot of the things we take for granted have to be done manually. All the aircraft systems look simple on paper but that sure doesn't mean they are simple to use. smile





#3995726 - 08/15/14 01:12 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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I see me buying this on day 1.


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#3995750 - 08/15/14 02:00 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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So tonight I decided to sit down and go ahead and run the cold start tutorial. It uses the in-cockpit guide boxes that are easy to follow. Now I know why Cobra recommended ignoring the sarcastic instructor.. <g> Nevertheless, the tutorial does get you through the whole start process. It is very much like the Ka-50 and Mi-8 in terms of complexity and ergonomics (there is stuff all OVER the place). I haven't quite figured out what all the stuff actually does, but it will take some practice to do a ramp start from memory (or flow).. I think the ramp start just gets you to engines running because I didn't see some stuff like O2 and pitot heat and other stuff addressed (that might be in a later tutorial).



Engine running, speed brakes out..



The manual recommends these axis tuning settings...



No differential braking via individual pedals. As it was explained in the DCS forum, I think there is some sort of shuttle valve that senses what rudder you are applying and it does bias the brakes to that side in combination with the free castering (within some limits I assume) nosewheel. The hiss of the wheel brakes is reminiscent of the Mi-8 system.





Lots of feedback going on during the takeoff roll and I often feel like I'm on the verge of disaster <g>.. Slight wobble on lift off..



Unlock the gear (handle?) and retract the gear (two-step process)..



I still think DCS World 1.x looks damn good if you ask me...



On the downwind all cleaned up and getting ready to put out flaps and gear...



The level of detail in the cockpit is just unbelievable. Now I can see why these guys have been at work on this for as long as they have - they have been WORKING!





Setting up for the landing. The manual suggests about 380kph at around 4km. With flaps and gear that works out to about 8 on the AOA indexer. If you lift your seat up a bit that allows you a fair sight picture of the landing runway over the nose. Flying with a HUD is obviously way easier..and the fact that the airspeed indicator is buried a bit far down on the panel makes for a bit of head movement when cross checking (unless you just zoom out)..







Just a few degrees pitch up attitude in the aforementioned 380 kph configuration...



I got a little flat in the approach. Throttle response is not instantaneous in the MiG-21, so you don't want to be like this, pitching the nose just results in more airspeed decay. You sort of have to power out of it, but you have to anticipate it early enough..



Definitely a firm touchdown...



Get that chute mapped to a controller because it is enormously helpful in slowing down and keeping the bird balanced...



Might as well print this out, because you'll be referring to these controls a lot trying to figure out how to work the basic stuff..<g> Thank God ED added the ability to remap controls on the fly a few iterations of World ago..what a huge, huge improvement that is to the sim..



Fun little session with the engine start-up and running around the patch. This is a fun "pilots" plane..and at the risk of alienating the core DCS audience again, I'd argue that anyone that was interested in quality FSX add-ons would have a blast with this MiG-21 even if they never fired a rocket or gun in anger. It's just so much fun to learn it and fly it.

And I really am sorry if I'm pissing you guys off by getting early access to it. Just hang in there - this thing is looking great and that light at the end of the tunnel is most definitely not a freight train!

BeachAV8R



#3995753 - 08/15/14 02:12 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Awesome stuff, Beach.

Sort of off-topic, but does anyone know what the training pipeline is for a MiG-21 pilot in real life? I wonder because it seems like a pretty hard plane to learn how to fly and employ properly.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I don't know a single thing about what a Russian fighter pilot's training pipeline is like...what aircraft they progress through, etc.

Just curious...


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#3995762 - 08/15/14 02:19 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: toonces]  
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Originally Posted By: toonces
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I don't know a single thing about what a Russian fighter pilot's training pipeline is like...what aircraft they progress through, etc.

Apparently they go to some Starship Troopers Academy and learn via cool R2D2 projected holograms! Sweet. Sign me up.




#3995786 - 08/15/14 03:43 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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Originally Posted By: BeachAV8R
Originally Posted By: toonces
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I don't know a single thing about what a Russian fighter pilot's training pipeline is like...what aircraft they progress through, etc.

Apparently they go to some Starship Troopers Academy and learn via cool R2D2 projected holograms! Sweet. Sign me up.



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#3995796 - 08/15/14 04:20 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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I halfway expected to see this spliced in..



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#3995837 - 08/15/14 08:27 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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@BeachAV8R if you land with 380kph, do you think, the landing strips are long enough to land without a chute or must you use the chute everytime - for a safe land?

#3995901 - 08/15/14 12:18 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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I have to honestly say I think this is a bad idea - letting a few people who were maybe chosen to test an RC of the module then go writing about it on forums. Telling us just how brilliant it is.

Seriously - yeah, great for those people, but after all this delay it really feels like having my nose rubbed in it. A pic or two, fine, as has been the way since 2012. But this is like taunting the people who paid.

I don't think it says "not long to go" because we've heard that a zillion times. I find it in bad taste.

I'm sure I won't be the only one, though I'm sure the usuals will come and tell me what a heap of crap my opinion is.


Jesus, this place has really gone downhill
#3995920 - 08/15/14 01:07 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Yeah, but some folks getting it now at least shows some progress, no?

#3995942 - 08/15/14 01:37 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: Brit]  
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Originally Posted By: Ghost0815
@BeachAV8R if you land with 380kph, do you think, the landing strips are long enough to land without a chute or must you use the chute everytime - for a safe land?

Actually, that 380 is at 4KM and I think the manual suggest slowing to about 340 over the numbers. Then you start your flare and you'll scrub off a bit more..so my "380" is probably a bit less at actual touchdown (probably closer to 340). And yes, you should have enough runway even without the braking chute provided you are on speed, land conservatively near the beginning of the runway, and apply braking promptly.


Originally Posted By: Brit
I have to honestly say I think this is a bad idea - letting a few people who were maybe chosen to test an RC of the module then go writing about it on forums. Telling us just how brilliant it is.

Seriously - yeah, great for those people, but after all this delay it really feels like having my nose rubbed in it. A pic or two, fine, as has been the way since 2012. But this is like taunting the people who paid.

I don't think it says "not long to go" because we've heard that a zillion times. I find it in bad taste.

I'm sure I won't be the only one, though I'm sure the usuals will come and tell me what a heap of crap my opinion is.


That is certainly a perspective to take. It is a bit of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation though. People have been clamoring for more solid information and I think this is proof that this thing is close. Not quite ready (there are bugs), but close. And it also shows that the investments of money and patience have actually been worth it. The reason I'm happy to have it early has less to do with my "want" to have it early - but rather my magazine has a nearly two month lead time between article submission and publication, so if I don't start working on this stuff early, I'll way miss the boat.

Sorry to hear you think it is in bad taste.

BeachAV8R



#3995955 - 08/15/14 01:50 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: Brit]  
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Originally Posted By: Brit
I have to honestly say I think this is a bad idea - letting a few people who were maybe chosen to test an RC of the module then go writing about it on forums. Telling us just how brilliant it is.

Seriously - yeah, great for those people, but after all this delay it really feels like having my nose rubbed in it. A pic or two, fine, as has been the way since 2012. But this is like taunting the people who paid.

I don't think it says "not long to go" because we've heard that a zillion times. I find it in bad taste.

I'm sure I won't be the only one, though I'm sure the usuals will come and tell me what a heap of crap my opinion is.


Everyone who was chosen represents some form of media, be it a WWW, Magazine or other publication (YouTube video series or Streamer). I'm sorry you feel that way, but when has PR/Previewer/Reviewer copies ever been a strange thing?

As for your money; I don't have it and I never will. Neither will the rest of the development team who have spent countless all-nighters building this aircraft in the past few months. I understand the frustration of having paid so long ago, but come on. Without proper product awareness this is our last DCS product.

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#3995961 - 08/15/14 01:56 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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I don't think it's bad taste at all, but to be honest, at this stage there's been so many delays that reading reviews and such of the MiG-21 isn't interesting any longer.

#3995976 - 08/15/14 02:06 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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*shrug* I remember Buzz Hoffman giving detailed AARs of his flights in Falcon 3 several months before it was released in 1991. There were no screenshots back then, because DIAL-UP! Still, he could really turn a phrase and it painted a vivid picture in your mind.

Nothing different now but the pics. Marketing is marketing and quite frankly these guys can't afford to pay much for it, so this is free. There will always be people who disagree with a particular marketing tactic, you go with what works best and offends the fewest people. smile





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#3995982 - 08/15/14 02:14 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: scrim]  
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Originally Posted By: scrim
I don't think it's bad taste at all, but to be honest, at this stage there's been so many delays that reading reviews and such of the MiG-21 isn't interesting any longer.


Perhaps flying it yourself very soon will be more interesting.


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#3995996 - 08/15/14 02:41 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: Cobra847]  
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Originally Posted By: Cobra847
Originally Posted By: scrim
I don't think it's bad taste at all, but to be honest, at this stage there's been so many delays that reading reviews and such of the MiG-21 isn't interesting any longer.


Perhaps flying it yourself very soon will be more interesting.


Very soon you say eh?.....


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Originally Posted By: Cobra847
Originally Posted By: scrim
I don't think it's bad taste at all, but to be honest, at this stage there's been so many delays that reading reviews and such of the MiG-21 isn't interesting any longer.


Perhaps flying it yourself very soon will be more interesting.


Why yes, that does sound rather interesting. It's like you read my mind biggrin


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