Well, well, well... we don't have the ring of death anymore, but M$ sure hasn't changed, first Xbox has failed to boot up for the last 2 days... did all the troubleshooting... M$ may make crappy products, but their support remains very good, after a few minutes of checking wires and attempting a hard reboot, the rep is sending me a brand new one, and I just need to send the old back... 3 to 5 days... so see you in a week.