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#2358634 - 10/19/07 06:38 AM E for All expo report.  
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Hello from sunny California.



I will use this thread to post my report from E for All expo; a replacement of extinct E3 show.



Since I've never attended E3, this was rather pleasing new experience to me.



Simmers are not the only ones with with unique hobbies.



The future of flight sims; a combined booth of ED/DCS and CH-Products.

Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#2358651 - 10/19/07 07:28 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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Inside the booth, there are three displays for attendees.




On the left side of the booth, a generic cockpit with Black Shark is set for anyone to try out. Notice cockpit has 4 CH-MFP panels which add good atmosphere. On this setup Black Shark is running Arcade settings so people do not crash every 30 seconds. Here's a quick youtube video of this display. Notice additional icons on the monitor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKQml2Pm1E


In the middle, 20MM is busy 'landing' helicopter. ;\) This setup is running full beauty of AFM with two Instructors chatting about upcoming product; Wags and EvilBivol-1. Image is projected on a 5-6 foot white screen, which unfortunately makes it difficult to record video. Here is a video of Wags catching a missile. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2OyKO9CLYY


And finally on the right side we have FS10 running at amazing 5 fps on a utra quad-core super-uber computer.

#2358659 - 10/19/07 07:56 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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Time to sleep. In the morning I'll post more info.

(Warning: as always WIP)



#2358672 - 10/19/07 08:28 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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The last two screenshot will make people ecstatic \:D

But remeber, they are still WIP progress !

#2358712 - 10/19/07 10:10 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Groove]  
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Great images of the WIP A-10 and AH-64 there SIM.

Groove Yeah it kinda does!!!

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#2358955 - 10/19/07 01:50 PM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Squid_DK]  
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6DOF in a 3D A-10 cockpit! Excellent.


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#2359077 - 10/19/07 03:52 PM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Oscar_352nd]  
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Good stuff, thanks Sim, and nice meeting you.

Even I must admit you did a better job landing than I.

But hey, mine was on ground, and it had a slant to it and the planets were out of alignment...

Hey, you gonna be out there again today?


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#2359081 - 10/19/07 03:55 PM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: 20mm]  
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 Originally Posted By: 20mm


Hey, you gonna be out there again today?


Yes, I'll leave after a shower and some food. (Distance ~45 miles in LA traffic)

#2359125 - 10/19/07 04:48 PM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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Not exactly about a Black Shark, but still...
I spotted a very interesting device that might enhance flight simmers sensation of acceleration, deceleration and G-forces. It is a flak jacket looking thingy that straps-on onto a body. It plugs into a little brick looking compressor with a small elastic hose that forces air into a jacket. Jacket has 8 release valves (4 front and 4 back) that when activated, release stream of air at max of 50 psi. It seems TN-Games are trying to market this device to first person shooter gamers and maybe driving sims. I tried it out using some silly game and it does enhance gaming quite a lot. I believe this is a perfect thing for flight/driving simulators. This device is expected to release soon at a cost of ~ 160$. http://tngames.com/







Here's some stranger holding black compressor.

#2359226 - 10/19/07 06:37 PM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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I would think that would make quite a bit of noise, using a compressor like that.



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#2359534 - 10/20/07 05:02 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Jedi Master]  
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 Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
I would think that would make quite a bit of noise, using a compressor like that.



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I can compare noise to a 12inch PC-cooling fan.





Notice damage done to landing gear. The damage model is more detailed than of Su-25T.


When landing, a sideway movement can 'catch' gear and flip Ka-50 over.



Crashes are wonderfully modeled, just as with Flaming Cliffs.

Mat showed me few models that have not been showed publicly. Probably later-on they will be released in higher resolution.


Here's a BlackHowk in its full glory.


It's even rendered inside.


New radar vehicle.









Notice image on TV screen. It will be possible to insert your own texture there.

#2359538 - 10/20/07 05:13 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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 Originally Posted By: Sim

Notice image on TV screen. It will be possible to insert your own texture there.



So I can has pron? \:D


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#2359548 - 10/20/07 05:52 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Colt40Five]  
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 Originally Posted By: Colt40Five
 Originally Posted By: Sim

Notice image on TV screen. It will be possible to insert your own texture there.



So I can has pron? \:D


not only has, but have \:D

#2359549 - 10/20/07 05:55 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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After spending few hours piloting Ka-50 and few more hours watching others crash it, I can, with ease, say that ED/DCS once again raised the bar of flight simulators. Previous king of button fondling, Falcon4, finally has been beaten. To me it seems every single button was functional and clickable in the current build (although Mat said that everything has not been implemented yet); a start up procedure was a thing of beauty, a true simmers wet dream. ;\) I was in awe that detail even included BIOS check (Ka-50 uses 486 CPU) and time to acquire satellites in earths orbit for GPS system.
Helicopter simmers, rejoice! Finally you can get a proper FM for weird birds that beat air into submission. I believe new Ka-50 AFM is the best flight model in any publicly available simulator; it felt proper, smooth and fluent. AdvancedDM was also quite nice. Do not expect poor quality and horrible performance which seems standard to Microsoft now days. Flight is simulated properly in extreme and normal maneuvers and will bite new users that are not aware of aircrafts limitations; a 300kph dive with abrupt movement will place a rotor blade into a position that will cut other blade and force aircraft into a spiraling death.

People, who are skeptical about expected 9 month deadline between each aircraft should realize that creation of addon aircraft does not start after Black Shark gets released; the future aircraft are already being worked on. First expected aircraft to be released is (drum roll) A10. The images that I and 20MM have posted are approximately 5 months old and do not represent current progress. Since ED/DCS finally begun releasing information, new images and development update will resume as before.

Some other things I noticed:

Trees no longer disappear or go transparent.

Mountains have less jugged ridges and are more circular

Mission editor will have triggers

Entire interface has been reworked, including joystick mapping

New engine will be implemented with A10 (hopefully)

#2359553 - 10/20/07 06:11 AM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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Sim, you freakin' tease! I am practically drooling at the mouth! I couldn't ask for anything more from a sim that includes both an A-10 and an AH-64. I feel like a kid all over again!

\:D


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\:D Oh yeah rock on! This will be the best thing since sliced bread hopefully!


I've got a bad feeling about this.....
#2360163 - 10/21/07 12:50 PM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]  
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I think that the possibilities with this new series is going to be a benchmark for the niche, I like the fact that it will be possible to play some combined operations with both helicopters and fixed wing assets.

A very good report Sim, thank you

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#2360208 - 10/21/07 02:36 PM Re: E for All expo report. [Re: Sim]  
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Great information!!
Thanks so much for posting this, Sim!!


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 Originally Posted By: Squid_DK {VNAVY}
I like the fact that it will be possible to play some combined operations with both helicopters and fixed wing assets.


That is true of AI fixed wing assets, but not player-controlled...the only player flyable A/C in DCS:BS is the KA-50.


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And keep in mind that DCS BS will have datalink capability above and beyond what any simulation has had.

This means the real world "Hunter-Killer" teams will be simulated. One aircraft comes up from behind cover and sees the assigned target area, it uses it's sensors to designate and assign targets, like armor, air defense, other. Back down and up come the killers to take care of business.

The real world battlefield is a very nasty place and highly integrated and intelligent. Doesn't mean you don't have snafus, but a dangerous environment. On both sides.


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