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#2146073 - 02/25/07 02:06 AM LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14  
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Thus far weve covered almost all of the weapons available for use by the Su-25T. Today well take a look at two we havent seen yet to wrap up our exploration. Our flight profile this afternoon will take us northeast out of Gudauta where we will hop inland on the other side of a ridge to accomplish a combined strike against two targets.



The first target is a power line transformer building which we will approach along an east-west valley. The target building sits very near the confluence of two branches of a river so be on the lookout for that as an aiming point. A zoomed in view of the satellite view also shows building relative the fork in the river.





We will use a medium altitude weapons delivery against the transformer station before we descend rapidly into a valley that shoots off to the south. We can recognize this valley because the same river we used to locate the first target will lead us out of the area to the south. As we exit the foothills of the mountains we will want to remain low since SAM units are active along the coastal plains.



The second target is a nuclear power station that we will strike while we egress toward the sea. The main targets are not the cooling stacks since they are only concrete and destroying them wouldnt really destroy the heart of the station. Our targets are the buildings occupying the center of the facility where the nuclear reactors are actually housed.



Our mission loadout for the strike will consist of two KAB-500kr TV-guided bombs for use against the transformer building (strike #1) and six FAB-500 dumb bombs for use against the nuclear facility. The FAB-500 is basically similar to a U.S. 1000 lb. bomb (Mk83) and the KAB-500kr is basically an FAB-500 with an electro-optical guidance kit added on (similar to the U.S. GBU-16) to make it a smart bomb. Weve also reduced the fuel load to 50% since this sortie is so short.



Keep in mind this is only a training exercise so enemy defenses are relatively soft (no multiple tiered air defenses). It is also worth noting that normally an attack such as this would be carried out with wingmen and a large escort package consisting of SEAD, and CAP flights.

Just prior to take off I turn on my Fantasmagoria ECM pod and note the green light illuminates on the right side of the panel (thanks Viper!). I dont know if it is just a placebo light, but I guess it cant hurt either.



Roaring off down the runway we head out to the northeast. The first few waypoints are setup for proper guidance up the initial valley and up to an attack altitude for the first strike target. The altitude is high enough for delivery of the KAB-500 but low enough to allow terrain masking from the SAM threat south of the ridges.





At waypoint #2 we take a big right turn to the east which lines us up pointing toward a prominent peak prior to the target area. We want to pass just to the north (left side) of this peak to line us up with the target area.







As we pass near the peak well climb slightly higher. I would suggest after passing waypoint #3 to put the aircraft in level flight autopilot so that you can work the targeting solution without distraction.



We switch to air-to-ground mode (7) and cycle to the KAB-500 (D). Also turn on the Shkval targeting system (O) and be sure to adjust the target size bracket to the appropriate size for buildings (60) (CTRL+ or CTRL- or ALT+ or ALT-). Since the target has been predesignated a small diamond will appear over the general area. I like to slew my designator circle over that area and hit designate once to stabilize the camera before zooming in and looking for the specific aiming point.



Once the target building becomes clear I settle the aiming point on it. Employing the KAB-500 Ive found that sometimes you need a solid lock on the target (indicated by an AC in the TV monitor) and sometimes you dont (indicated by a KC). It seems like a quirky system that can be frustrating to use on occasion. As you approach the target the familiar horizontal arrow starts moving down the range scale on the left side of the HUD. Once the range is between the two tick marks on the scale you will get a launch authorization (LA).



I jab the pickle button twice and my two KAB-500 bombs fall from the racks.



Since the bombs are fire and forget (they self guide to the target) I can dump the nose, chop the throttle and extend the speedbrakes to dive toward the valley floor. The plan is to enter the valley as it turns to the right ahead and follow the river out toward the plains.



The bombs track in nicely on the target and if one is enough, two is even better. The building collapses in a tangle of wires as I descend past it.







Arresting my descent near the valley floor (always an exciting maneuver) I retract the speedbrakes and push the throttles to the stop to accelerate to maximum speed. The plan is to blister out of the valley and build up a ton of kinetic energy that we will use for the next strike waypoint all while flying low enough to avoid being engaged by the SAM defenses. The big right turn into the valley is a gut churning high-G maneuver.



While you are rocketing down the valley (or earlier if you think about it) you can set up your stores panel to release your bombs. I set the bomb interval to .3 seconds to give a bit of distance between the bombs and I accidentally set NO 4 instead of BCE which would have released all of the ordnance at the same time instead of just four bombs.





As we exit the valley I spy my reference visual checkpoint, a smokestack that is very easy to spot even at low altitude.





By the time we reach the smokestack we are blistering along in excess of 800 kph and we start a firm pull-up to about 40 degrees of nose-up pitch and roll to the right in a 45 degree bank angle.





As we soar upward and our speed slowly bleeds off I glance out the right front of the windscreen and can easily spot the nuclear power plant right where I expect it to be (good time for TrackIR!).



Continue rolling to the right until you are completely inverted and looking up through the windscreen above your head at the target. You can see the airspeed has bled off and our altitude has peaked at around 2300 meters.





Keeping in a bit of back pressure I pull the nose down until Im aiming approximately at the target site then I continue rolling to the right until Im upright. This kind of pop-up attack profile is nice because it is a constant positive-G maneuver (your backseater will thank you!) and allows you to keep the target in sight at all times throughout the maneuver. The threat receiver is going crazy now, but we are committed to the attack at this point; our only escape is to deliver the bombs and get out of Dodge.





As we descend toward the target I deploy the speedbrakes and the pipper moves up onto the target complex. I hit the pickle button and hold it while the bombs ripple off. I watch the weapons hardpoint status on the bottom of the HUD and when I see the final two bombs havent kicked off (because I stupidly set the release number to 4) I jab the pickle button again and the final two drop away.



Pulling out of the bottom of my dive the bombs hit behind me stitching across the complex.



The ZSU-23s that are defending the site dont have much time to respond to my pop-up attack and low-level egress but they take their best crack at me as I zip away to the south.





As I head away at low-level I see a lighthouse landmark that makes a good exit point out to the sea.



With the site engulfed in flames on the distant horizon I allow myself to climb up a bit as we are out of SAM engagement range.



It is a short flight back to base and as I turn final I throw out the approach flaps and am surprised to feel a gentle rolling moment which is easily countered with trim. Despite not feeling any thuds or bumps during the attack run it looks like one Zeus got some hits on my right wingtip, blowing away a chunk of the aileron and damaging the outboard flap panel resulting in a slight lift (and drag) asymmetry.



Without the use of full flaps I find myself a little warm as I try to slow my final approach speed. I touchdown a little hot (about 330 kph) but a little bit of braking gets me into the drag chute deployment speed (under 300 kph) and Im able to stop with plenty of room to spare.







As I taxi in to the ramp I see the mouth-watering site of a train rattling by the base on an adjacent track; what a juicy target that would be!!



This was a nice short (15 minute) mission with some exciting flying. I flew it a few times while I was designing the mission and had originally intended for the attack on the power transformer building (thats what I call it anyway) to be a relatively low-level attack but I found the KAB-500 is a bit of a finicky weapon to employ. It has tight release parameters apparently and additionally it seemed like sometimes I could get my targeting optics to lock up the building and sometimes it would fail. I found the higher I flew the better my chances of getting a weapon release. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing the launch authorized cue and hitting the pickle button only to find the weapon does not release.

The pop-up attack works really well, although you would be exposed to close in SAM units in a pretty serious way. Obviously a stand-off missile would be a better choice, or maybe a second best choice would be a retarded rocket propelled bomb (BETAB-500SHP) that could be delivered in low-level flight over the target. There are certainly many ways to plan and execute an attack which makes flying these missions all the more interesting.



This mission can be downloaded here: http://www.mudspike.com/lomac/simhq14.zip

BeachAV8R



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#2146106 - 02/25/07 03:59 AM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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Nice mission. And you're right, the KAB bombs are best from med-high altitude. You can engage multiple separate targets easily in one pass. For low-level delivery, I like the pb250s (chute bombs).


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#2146137 - 02/25/07 05:57 AM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: Colt40Five]  
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You said "wrap up our exploration". Does that mean that this is the last AAR? I've really come to enjoy these (I know, all good things must come to an end).


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#2146163 - 02/25/07 07:07 AM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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Hi Chris, I really like your articles, so much that I have collected all your links in one post. I hope you don't mind....
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#2146239 - 02/25/07 01:55 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: Cougar_DK]  
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Great Read and Great Flying, BeachAV8R. Just be wary as to not confuse the MPS 410 Jammer Pods with the L-081 Fantasmagoria ETS Pod. By activating the ECM system, the emissions are effectively showing your presence to enemy aircraft in the area. The Jammer Pods are extremely effective when SAM-Hunting as they decrease the range of SAM's at obtaining lock, or conversely aid in breaking lock if locked up by a SAM prior to the ECM Pods being activated. Did not need the Fanta Pod for this Mission. Once again, Great Flying


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#2146245 - 02/25/07 02:11 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: 159th_Viper]  
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I just love your missions and AARs!

Thank you for nice readings and great missions as i got FC not long ago it helped me increase my 25-T knowledge to a nice level.

And as i didnt have to make some training missions for myself i managed to make some i'll share with the community.
First one is a night mission :p

Thanks again beach and looking forward for more nice AARs \:\)

#2146307 - 02/25/07 04:39 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: robinson]  
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Colt45 - Yeah..the KAB is a cool bomb for sure..so finicky though (sometimes) to get to release.

Corsair - Well..by "wrap up" I am indeed implying that at least the Su-25T training missions are winding down. I have one more to fly (#15) and that should be it for the series. Don't worry though..I'll start posting mission reports (combat ones) from flying some campaigns (user created or stock..I'm not sure which).. \:\)

Cougar - Looks good! Thanks for linking them..I figure the more exposure we get to this sim the better for all of us!

Viper - Guilty again! \:D Yeah..for some reason I confused the MPS-410 pod(s) with the L-081 pod! I forgot that the L-081 is a targeting pod used in conjunction with anti-radiation missiles...not a part of the self-defense suite. Up until now I also haven't utilized the "Sukhogruz" anti-IR system (I'd have to look up the keystroke to turn it on!)..does it work and where is the cockpit indicator that says it is on? I seem to remember someone saying it takes some time to "warm up"..is that true?

Robinson - Thanks..glad you enjoyed them..

Regards..
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#2146314 - 02/25/07 04:51 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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Originally Posted By: BeachAV8R
....Up until now I also haven't utilized the "Sukhogruz" anti-IR system (I'd have to look up the keystroke to turn it on!)..does it work and where is the cockpit indicator that says it is on? I seem to remember someone saying it takes some time to "warm up"..is that true?


Shift-E activates the IR Jammer and it works a treat. Saved me from many a Stinger..(usually only aware of the dull "boom" on my six followed shortly thereafter by: "Damn - that was close" :D) As to warming up I'm not too sure. Usually I just toggle it on a reasonable distance from the Target Area.

Indicator is just above the WCS:



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#2146332 - 02/25/07 05:28 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: 159th_Viper]  
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The manual says 10 minute warmup on the IR jammer.


FFS why is there all this complaining? I thought we were all adults here. Surely this is a result of small stature and equipment as well as poor self esteem.
#2146345 - 02/25/07 05:50 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: Broadjumper]  
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Thanks for another good read.

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#2146371 - 02/25/07 06:33 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: Destructis]  
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Another thing Beach, is when you actually know when you're getting shot at by AAA, the best thing to do is just jink, jink, and jink, while heading out of there. Getting a bullet to intersect with a heavily maneuvering target is very very difficult for the most modern of systems, so the more you maneuver out of the area, the less likely you'll get shot up.


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#2146425 - 02/25/07 09:14 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: EricJ]  
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Originally Posted By: EricJ
Another thing Beach, is when you actually know when you're getting shot at by AAA, the best thing to do is just jink, jink, and jink, while heading out of there. Getting a bullet to intersect with a heavily maneuvering target is very very difficult for the most modern of systems, so the more you maneuver out of the area, the less likely you'll get shot up.


Indeed...something I'll need to start doing more of as I start flying the more complex and challenging missions that have more difficult AAA and SAM defenses. Looking forward to that!!

Regards..
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About the IR Jammer, there is an excelent video tutorial in IronHands' site where he makes extensive use of this device plus flares. Look for the Su-25T FLAMING CLIFFS CAMPAIGN Mission 001 video in the Air-to-Surface section of his page (big download though, 671MB, but worth every single byte of it)

#2146899 - 02/26/07 03:57 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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Beach, have you thought what would you do next with all you've learnt in LO:FC? Like in IL2 or F4 - you can extend by going online or enjoy a lasting campaign experience, or even in BoB2 and F/A-18 you can still spend litereally 100s of flying hours trying to win the game on your PC. BoB2 is the best DC engine, whereas in JF/A-18 the non-linear campaigns created by the community and enhanced by TSH are still unparallel in the geography choice (Iran, Iraq etc.). F4 and IL-2/FB/PF are unsurpassed in the genre, of course. Any thoughts here, guys? Really interesting to hear your opinions and experiences.

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Originally Posted By: Broadjumper
The manual says 10 minute warmup on the IR jammer.


10 minutes!

Its a good job I switch mine on after startup on the pan, then.


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#2147469 - 02/27/07 07:34 AM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: FlashHeart]  
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thx, great read!


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#2147748 - 02/27/07 05:23 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: Dirk98]  
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Originally Posted By: Dirk98
Beach, have you thought what would you do next with all you've learnt in LO:FC? Like in IL2 or F4 - you can extend by going online or enjoy a lasting campaign experience, or even in BoB2 and F/A-18 you can still spend litereally 100s of flying hours trying to win the game on your PC. BoB2 is the best DC engine, whereas in JF/A-18 the non-linear campaigns created by the community and enhanced by TSH are still unparallel in the geography choice (Iran, Iraq etc.). F4 and IL-2/FB/PF are unsurpassed in the genre, of course. Any thoughts here, guys? Really interesting to hear your opinions and experiences.


I don't know yet. I already did training and mission reports for Falcon 4 (nearly 70 or so of them I think?)..and also did reports for Longbow 2 and JF-18. I'm not sure where I'll venture next. I'm going to stick with LOMAC/FC for a good while yet though..I really enjoy flying it and with Black Shark coming out I'm sure there will be a lot more opportunities for learning. \:\)

Regards..
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#2148084 - 02/28/07 02:55 AM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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Originally Posted By: BeachAV8R
I don't know yet. I already did training and mission reports for Falcon 4 (nearly 70 or so of them I think?)..and also did reports for Longbow 2 and JF-18.


Where would I find these. I know about the 16 on your site, but 70 of them - are there a ton on SimHQ? Until now I had never heard about any being here (but until recently I hadn't spent much time on these forums).


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#2148153 - 02/28/07 06:19 AM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: Corsair8X]  
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Well..there used to be a ton of them...16 Training Missions and 80 (!) Campaign Mission reports...they were archived in this thread:

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=329454&page=0&fpart=1

But it looks like the links no longer work. To tell you the truth..I don't know where to find them now. Well..I do have them saved to a hard disk...looks like all 80 campaign missions run a total of 160MB.. :P I'm going out of town for a bit..but when I get back I'll zip them up and put them on my server for downloading..

Regards..
BeachAV8R



#2148508 - 02/28/07 06:25 PM Re: LOMAC/FC: Training Mission #14 [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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That would be awesome if you could do that. So in the Campaign reports, do you go over stuff that you've learned as you fly campaigns? Say for example you learn about the Bullseye (just for an example). Do you just mention the Bullseye or do you go into what you learned about it? I guess what I'm really looking for (because I've never read any campaign reports by you) is are they just AAR's like a lot of AAR's, or do they sort of show how things are done. I would have a LOT of learning to do in Falcon and from the little that I've flow, I need a lot of help.

Were the 16 training reports done based on the training missions that came with the original F4, or were they custom-built missions like what we found with your excellent LOMAC training reports?

Edit: I've been re-reading your training reports from the site too and they make much more sense now that I've actually had the bird up occasionally. Of course, I've only read the first 3 - it probably gets way more difficult as things go along \:\)


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