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#4506754 - 02/09/20 06:02 AM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Pooch]  
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Oh, please. All of the references made to earlier Star Trek episodes should tell you this was made for fans of the show. I'm a Star Trek fan. This was very good.


That really is neither here nor there. Given that it is in the Star Trek universe, there were going to be some references to the older shows, but fan service is not the same thing as capturing the spirit of the show. From the previews and the from what has been described here, it does not look or sound like Star Trek (just like the new Star Wars trilogy did not really look, sound, or feel like Star Wars in a lot of subtle ways, or the JJ Abrams Star Wars reboot did not look, sound, or feel like Star Trek).

The basic premise of the show, that Star Fleet is corrupt or decayed at its core, inherently is not Star Trek. (Before anyone says anything, yes I know both TNG and DS9 explored the idea that Star Fleet made mistakes and was, at times, vulnerable to conspiracies from within, but those were always presented as aberrations, in part due to external manipulation, not something at the heart of Star Fleet). As an American, Star Fleet (from TOS through DS9) was always a sci fi stand-in for the United States, not perfect, but generally well-intentioned and getting it right in the end. A show that makes the good guys the bad guys is not something I am likely to be interested in.

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#4506778 - 02/09/20 12:29 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Nimits]  
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Originally Posted by Nimits
Originally Posted by Pooch
Oh, please. All of the references made to earlier Star Trek episodes should tell you this was made for fans of the show. I'm a Star Trek fan. This was very good.


That really is neither here nor there. Given that it is in the Star Wars universe, there were going to be some references to the older shows, but fan service is not the same thing as capturing the spirit of the show. From the previews and the from what has been described here, it does not look or sound like Star Trek (just like the new Star Wars trilogy did not really look, sound, or feel like Star Wars in a lot of subtle ways, or the JJ Abrams Star Wars reboot did not look, sound, or feel like Star Trek).

The basic premise of the show, that Star Fleet is corrupt or decayed at its core, inherently is not Star Trek. (Before anyone says anything, yes I know both TNG and DS9 explored the idea that Star Fleet made mistakes and was, at times, vulnerable to conspiracies from within, but those were always presented as aberrations, in part due to external manipulation, not something at the heart of Star Fleet). As an American, Star Fleet (from TOS through DS9) was always a sci fi stand-in for the United States, not perfect, but generally well-intentioned and getting it right in the end. A show that makes the good guys the bad guys is not something I am likely to be interested in.


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#4506803 - 02/09/20 05:31 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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I disagree.

Star Fleet and it's members not trusting it's enemies is nothing new. Kirk hated the Klingons with a passion, O'Brian the same with the cardassians and so forth.

Members of Star Fleet has also on plenty occations gone above and beyond to keep conflict going or start it. A cabal of klingons, romulan and star fleet personell was more than willing to sacrifice Kirk to keep a war going between the klingons and Federation.

(and the UFP is much more like the UN than the US)

#4506923 - 02/10/20 04:26 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
This video pretty much sums up my expectations for "Picard" as well. And despite the title, it isn't all just the modern political tie ins either. It's the destruction of a beloved character.



https://youtu.be/iYtyQAXkUkc


Thank you for sharing this. I'm saddened that Stewart decided to frolick in politics and seems to me he doesn't "get" a large segment of the population. I'm frankly tired of shows cramming politics or "woke" bullpuckey down our throats. Good stories, good plots, good characters--that's what I want to be entertained. I'll make up my own darn mind about everything else on my own time.

#4506926 - 02/10/20 04:53 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Stewart also recently became a US citizen. I wonder now what his real motivations were behind that move?


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#4506966 - 02/10/20 10:16 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
This video pretty much sums up my expectations for "Picard" as well. And despite the title, it isn't all just the modern political tie ins either. It's the destruction of a beloved character.



https://youtu.be/iYtyQAXkUkc


Thank you for sharing this. I'm saddened that Stewart decided to frolick in politics and seems to me he doesn't "get" a large segment of the population. I'm frankly tired of shows cramming politics or "woke" bullpuckey down our throats. Good stories, good plots, good characters--that's what I want to be entertained. I'll make up my own darn mind about everything else on my own time.


thankfully you are in a minority - plenty of us who don't care about the "politics" and enjoy a cracking good show.

#4506978 - 02/11/20 12:04 AM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: EAF331 MadDog]  
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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
This video pretty much sums up my expectations for "Picard" as well. And despite the title, it isn't all just the modern political tie ins either. It's the destruction of a beloved character.



https://youtu.be/iYtyQAXkUkc


Thank you for sharing this. I'm saddened that Stewart decided to frolick in politics and seems to me he doesn't "get" a large segment of the population. I'm frankly tired of shows cramming politics or "woke" bullpuckey down our throats. Good stories, good plots, good characters--that's what I want to be entertained. I'll make up my own darn mind about everything else on my own time.


thankfully you are in a minority - plenty of us who don't care about the "politics" and enjoy a cracking good show.


Thankfully I'm part of the silent majority. We lurk. We exist. And we'll let you know what we think when we vote, and there's little you can do about us.

Shows should entertain, not preach.

#4507009 - 02/11/20 04:37 AM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Keep it to the PWEC forum guys.


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#4507030 - 02/11/20 10:53 AM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite
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Keep it to the PWEC forum guys.



Oh come on, there's nothing PWEC been said. I think adults can acknowledge that there is a political component to Star Trek, especially the modern versions.


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#4507041 - 02/11/20 11:43 AM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4



Oh come on, there's nothing PWEC been said. I think adults can acknowledge that there is a political component to Star Trek, especially the modern versions.


+1


Even ST:TOS has some episodes that were quite political for its time.


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#4507416 - 02/14/20 08:07 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Another strong episode I felt, I like the character building of Picard and the pacing isn't dictated by the need to tell a full story in one episode.

#4507424 - 02/14/20 09:13 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Stewart also recently became a US citizen. I wonder now what his real motivations were behind that move?


Taxes...plain and simple. Almost every Brit or Canadian who has gained U.S. Citizenship (Patrick Stewart, William Shatner, etc.) does so, at least in part to escape the outrageous taxes of a cradle to grave economic system.

So, next time you think U.S. taxes are outrageous (and I believe they are), set up residency in England or Canada for a couple of years. You will appreciate America a bit more.

BTW, lest anyone think I'm bashing our British or Canadian brothers and sisters, think again. I love both countries and their peoples. My father's entire family is British and I am in love with that culture. I have travelled to Canada dozens of times, and find the residents there to be among the friendliest and most thoughtful people anywhere in the world.

I just like to keep more of my paycheck than either country permits.


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Shatner is still solely a Canadian.


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