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#4488300 - 09/03/19 06:02 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems ***** [Re: Muggs]  
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Originally Posted by Muggs



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#4493739 - 10/20/19 10:53 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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#4504867 - 01/24/20 02:21 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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I guess Hpasp works in Almaz-Antey... wink


#4512094 - 03/21/20 10:16 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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#4512098 - 03/21/20 10:27 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Muggs]  
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Originally Posted by Muggs


This is the so called "Dome" - 9С18 :

[Linked Image]

...and, by the way, the missile on the TELAR was from the type, that destroyed MH17, that Russia didn;t have....

#4512222 - 03/22/20 06:40 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted by piston79
Originally Posted by Muggs


This is the so called "Dome" - 9С18 :

...and, by the way, the missile on the TELAR was from the type, that destroyed MH17, that Russia didn;t have....


Thanks for the information!

#4522018 - 05/22/20 11:12 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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I have a question for SAM enthusiasts in this forum.

Youtube is full of videos showing the destruction of Pantsir systems in Syria in March and most recently in Lybia. While in some videos the Pantsirs were killed parked near buildings or in transportation, at least couple of them show hits on Pantsir in engagement mode, with a rotating radar or even firing missiles.

Here is one such example:



It has been claimed that these Pantsirs were hunted down by Bayraktar drones. I have a couple of questions:

1) how a relatively large, slow flying drone got so close to the SAM system, that was designed to combat exactly this type of targets, undetected? Are they flying so slow, that the Pantsir radar cannot see it (Doppler filter)?

2) have these Pantsirs been blinded by ECM? I've seen comments on the effectiveness of turkish Koral jamming stations, but I find it unlikely, that they put these kind of stations closer than the radio horizon of the radar. Maybe on the country border, but not so deep inside the enemy territory.

If neither 1) or 2) is correct, then what could be the other possibilities for such repeated defeats? Does Pantsir have a fundamental technical weakness that was exploited? Were these SAM crews totally unfit for the job (lazy, stupid, or both)? Or was there some kind of a very smart tactics deployed by adversaries (like swarming with multiple drones, until the Pantsir shoots all its missiles and auto-cannons and the last drone gets through)?.


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#4522046 - 05/23/20 03:42 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Jonas85]  
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Well, it is hard to say without geolocation and data about "Bayraktar" track (sometimes they appeared in flightradar24).

1. there were some critics about the Pantzyrs before in russian net, and speculation that they cannot "see" slow targets.
2. turks could just loiter over the position in the blind zone of the radar,
3. ECM could definitelly be a factor....!

#4522235 - 05/24/20 08:56 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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#4522333 - 05/25/20 07:41 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Jonas85]  
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Originally Posted by Jonas85
I have a question for SAM enthusiasts in this forum.

Youtube is full of videos showing the destruction of Pantsir systems in Syria in March and most recently in Lybia. While in some videos the Pantsirs were killed parked near buildings or in transportation, at least couple of them show hits on Pantsir in engagement mode, with a rotating radar or even firing missiles.

Here is one such example:



It has been claimed that these Pantsirs were hunted down by Bayraktar drones. I have a couple of questions:

1) how a relatively large, slow flying drone got so close to the SAM system, that was designed to combat exactly this type of targets, undetected? Are they flying so slow, that the Pantsir radar cannot see it (Doppler filter)?

2) have these Pantsirs been blinded by ECM? I've seen comments on the effectiveness of turkish Koral jamming stations, but I find it unlikely, that they put these kind of stations closer than the radio horizon of the radar. Maybe on the country border, but not so deep inside the enemy territory.

If neither 1) or 2) is correct, then what could be the other possibilities for such repeated defeats? Does Pantsir have a fundamental technical weakness that was exploited? Were these SAM crews totally unfit for the job (lazy, stupid, or both)? Or was there some kind of a very smart tactics deployed by adversaries (like swarming with multiple drones, until the Pantsir shoots all its missiles and auto-cannons and the last drone gets through)?.



https://vz.ru/news/2018/11/2/949009.html

#4524557 - 06/09/20 01:59 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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One from Libya

UAE/LNA Pantsir system shoots a turkish drone apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmfqmrE_nZc


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#4525062 - 06/11/20 08:24 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: ZG26_Emil]  
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Originally Posted by ZG26_Emil
One from Libya

UAE/LNA Pantsir system shoots a turkish drone apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmfqmrE_nZc



Wish they had english subs...

#4536073 - 09/06/20 11:40 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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