Cyberpunk 2077

One more month 'til release baby!

Hopefully.

Oh, and it would seem that the fashion of the 2070s will be almost as tacky as that of the 1970s.

I don't recall my platform shoes and flared jeans being 'tacky'? The height of fashion more like

This has been on my watch-list for ages but I'm still going to wait until I see some reviews/let's play videos. Just in case.

I swear one day I'm going to get the Soul Train box set...

Soul Train Line 1977 (War - Galaxy)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5jGXFCqbHk

The game already went officially "Gold" a couple weeks ago so the release date is certain.

I can't wait for this game. I mean I can, and obviously have, err, what?

Oh yeah, this is the one game I've been looking forward to. I've sort of planned my other gaming around it so that I am not neck-deep in to some other engrossing game so that when Cyberpunk drops I'm on it. I buy very few games at release, but this is going to be one, unless the earliest word is troubling. But since it's CDPR I can't imagine that will be a possibility.

I hope this game is everything I think it will be. The trailers are awesome.

No.



And I think the game will be pretty much immune to sucking, but will need a lot of bug fixing and tweaking given how ambitious it is.

Are those guys going out to play golf?

A fair number of us here will remember the decade that fashion forgot but maybe CP77 can serve as a warning

Look at the waist sizes for the pants ad above (27" - 38")! And this is before stretchy modern vanity sizing (yes, it exists even in men's sizes which, unlike women's sizes, is *supposed* to be an actual measurement of something). I have enough older clothes to tell a difference.

Hahaha! The last time I had a 27” waist I was in elementary school.

I still wear a 34", and can't imagine less than 32" on full grown man.

High fructose corn syrup is a hell of a drug.

Anyway I've managed to hold off on looking at anything that's too revealing about the game, I want it to be be as fresh an experience as possible.

Vroom vroom.

I'll be ordering my copy soon. I don't understand the people who pre-ordered this like over one year ago! Preordering won't make the game come out any sooner.

No, but CDP said they'd appreciate the funding and so fans did. Also, it was supposed to be released that long ago till the delay.

Yep I did the same thing with Elite Dangerous. I paid more for a game that wasn't due any kind of release for 18 months in order to:
Help fund a game I really, really wanted
Get all future DLCs for that one price.

I still probably paid slightly too much, but I don't regret it.

Grrr, another delay, December 10 now.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...xbox-series-x-keanu-reeves-b1374370.html

So much for going "Gold". I guess that term doesn't mean the same thing anymore in the digital age. LOL

You see, the thing about gold, there is 14ct gold, 18ct, 24ct, or translated 58.5%, 75%, 99.99%.
That's at least how I explained it to a colleague that was expected to do a gold release while there was still stuff to be implemented/changed...

They are releasing on so many systems and I think that the problem is one of the new consoles. One probably has a real game breaking issue and they don't want to release the PS version and hold off the Xbox version. It would cause a lot of bad blood with the manufacturers and may even be contractually obligated to release at the same time. There has to be a big issue for them to have to change all the ads and many of the current ads have the wrong date now.

That's a disturbing Daffy....

Ten days!

Haven't looked forward to a game this much since RDR2 which was only two years ago, but that seems longer doesn't it?

I have no idea if Cyberpunk will live up to my expectations really. But at this point it just has to. To this day I rate Witcher 3 as the best PC game of all time. If I consider every facet of game design, then for me W3 comes out on top. It's the most expertly crafted game I've played.

Same studio. Now, as to whether the people are the same, I have no idea. But I think about how amazing W3 is, and this is the same dev, with more time, a bigger budget and a half-decade of innovation and technology to move things forward. The trailers are magnificent. Gameplay looks awesome. I have very high, perhaps disillusioned, expectations for Cyberpunk.

Then there are these delays. Why? Is it buggy? Substandard? Serious, unresolved issues? Or are they just cramming in more awesome?

Bah, I'd be better off not caring about it. It would be better to forget all about it, buy it a year from now in the Game of the Year Edition with all the crap patched out of it. But I will buy it on release. Actually I might get it early to avoid release-day slowdowns. It preloads on your system with a pre-purchase, yes?

Ten days and we will see if it lives up to my lofty expectations, falls discouragingly short, or exceeds them in every way. My money's on Projekt Red to come through in a big way, but there's this creeping doubt over the delays. Natural, I think. Not long now and we will know.

I've found that RPG's are very much like a movie or a tv series. If the story and characters don't grab you and are not compelling then pretty much everything else doesn't matter.

What I mean more specifically by that is that while the gameplay/combat may be well implemented and fun, I think the main aspect that RPG fans are attracted to is the story and characters. If the only thing good about an RPG is the combat then you might as well just play the standard first person shooters instead.

Characters are a big part of it, agreed. But for me I have to say it goes way beyond that. Writing, score, world-building, soundscape, combat, dialog, graphics, stability and on and on. All of this is important. if any one aspect is poor, it can be held up if the other components are strong. But maybe the most important part of an RPG for me is the mechanics and character build synergy.

I want tons of options when building a character. Opportunity cost is vital. I want to agonize over picking this talent instead of that one. And then, how do these choices manifest themselves in gameplay? Did it make my character feel unique, more powerful, more vulnerable or just more snazzy and jazzy? Are these choices particularly powerful or path-revealing? Does choosing this instead of that make for a singular experience, so that if I play again choosing the other thing will I feel like I'm playing a different game? I want to regret what I did not choose twenty hours later ya know?

It's all interwoven and really I think this will be one of Cyberpunk's strengths, with how intricate the systems are and how fleshed out the world and characters will be. But again, i really do not know. All I can go on are the trailers and CDPR's track record. Part of me feels like it's a can't-miss game. Part of me feels that I've gone over the edge of expectations. In the end it will probably split that gap.

I really have to like the setting of an open world game or I have a hard time getting into it.

Even an objectively great game like Witcher 3 or RDR2, won't grab me otherwise, whereas I liked games that were somewhat mixed bags like Fallout 4 and the Stalker series because of their settings.

As a fan of the pen and paper Cyberpunk 2020 world from way back, I think it's safe to say that I'll like the setting, I just hope the content even comes close to living up to the hype.

By all accounts, the world-building in this game is phenomenal. Some of my favorites have been GTA's Los Santos, RDR2, Witcher 3 of course. It's a city, but the word is that it's huge, dense and alive. I said before that all I have to go on are the trailers and track record. But there are also previews. CDPR allowed a short one back in June and a much longer one recently, where gaming journalists were afforded a chance at some game time to write previews. It was four hours the first time, but sixteen the second. There are a bunch of these articles out there, but this is one from a sixteen hour run

https://www.gamesradar.com/16-hours-with-cyberpunk-2077-and-i-never-want-to-leave-night-city/

I'm going Street Kid for the first run

I'm starting off Nomad, mostly because it makes sense that someone who was raised outside of Night City and indeed may have never been there before would be unfamiliar with it.

I'll save Street Kid and Corpo for subsequent playthroughs.

Ahh, nicely played there Crane. That does indeed make sense. I'm going for the gritty back-alley and street tough vibe

I'll be all tats and smoking gun barrels.

Either way we can make fun of the corpos

I know nothing about this game but have a couple of hopes:

1) We can go in every building we see

2) We can mod the game

and lastly...

3) We can explore and do without needing to wait for or find missions, like in GTA games.

I don't care for missions at all.

Would it be an oversimplification to say that Cyberpunk 2077 is essentially a cross between "Altered Carbon" and "Blade Runner"?

Hard to say at this stage PM. Aesthetically you're probably in the right ballpark, it has those sorts of vibes. Nine days to go eh? Has anyone already bought it?

Blastman, based on what you wrote I'm thinking it's the wrong game. We already know that not all buildings are enterable (spellcheck says not a word). No idea about mods, was W3 moddable? (spellcheck says not a word).

As for the GTA comparison, not sure what you mean. In GTA you can go anywhere from the start. But I think that missions will be at the core of the experience. The missions, character interactions and progression will be wrapped up together, but in such a way that it all feels natural and organic, as hinted at in some of the previews. From what I've seen there is probably plenty to enjoy if a player just wanted to exist in the gameworld. But I think it would miss most of what's great about the game. Caveat: But I have no idea really. Speculation and conjecture.

I bought it about 2 weeks ago. I believe it's unprecedented as far as I can tell but this game became available for pre-order about a year and a half before release! I really saw no reason to pre-order the game THAT early.

Closer to Blade Runner.

Mike Pondsmith's original take on Cyberpunk was a dark, edgy and chaotic neon and chrome drenched near future as envisioned in the late '80s.

The thing about the cyberpunk genre is that its fairly transient, where the state of affairs can plausibly only last so long before it evolves into regular sci fi.

GTA V is still essentially lifeless and dead when you aren't running missions and are in between them. Sure, you can drive around and steal stuff, rob stores, cars, etc., but you can't simply explore and converse and trade and do whatever like you can in say Morrowind or even Kingdom Come Deliverance. You're still burdened by the need to go on missions.

Don't get me wrong, GTA V has come a long way from GTA 3, where stuff actually does happen in the world and they've gone to great lengths to make it "feel" alive. But you, the player, are still burdened by the ever nagging need to do a mission goal, not your own goals, or else.


I spent a hundred hours playing KKD... and still haven't beaten the game. I basically put the main quest on hold and just went out into the world and my guy is wealthy beyond measure, with all the top gear, without progressing to the end of the main plot. I'm not sure where I am in the plot, actually. Likely halfway, but not at the end, that's for sure.

In No Man's Sky? Hah! I've barely scratched the main plot's surface, but hundreds of hours later I'm a tycoon with bases on planets and riches galore, but I do my own thing and I'm fine with that.



HOWEVER

If Cyberpunk is purely a story driven linear campaign, I'm okay with that. Hell, it could even be like Dynamix' "Rise of the Dragon" (if you remember this cyberpunk game from the early 90s" and I'd be fine with this. Waiting around for missions though, or trying to figure out where the next mission giver is like GTA forces you to do isn't my cup of tea.

I say this having enjoyed the Witcher games, immensely, especially Witcher 1. I haven't beaten Witcher 3 yet. Inventory management drives me nuts.

You must not be a fan of the Fallout RPG series then. I'm going to my inventory like every 5 minutes either because I've exceeded my carry weight or I need to break down my junk for repairing my armor or weapon.

I usually stop following the main quest fairly early on in open world RPGs, and don't pick it up again until I've put a lot of time in.

At some point I always wish I had the option to create a second character who isn't an overpowered Chosen One, maybe I just want to be a merchant or a cop or something?

Bah, how BO-RING!

Friend of mine gifted it to me in August, when I was still in a very "look and see" mode. I wasn't terribly impressed with the very first gameplay vids.

Witcher3, for me, had the benefit of the previous game, which in turn got me to read all the books, so the third installment built on a lot of lore and world details already established in my head. The game does play on that, introduces people and plotlines very familiar to the reader, which made for some smiles and head nods altrough the main story.

With Cyberpunk it's the complete opposite, as I've never touched anything of that setting before. But it's CDPR, they know how to do story, how to design realistic believable environments and how to make a good game, so I'm very optimistic I'll like it.

What I'm not sure of is, if it's a good idea to play it on the release date. Currently I immensely enjoy the Horizon Zero Dawn PC Port, and maybe giving CP2077 a month to settle with the most urgents patches before diving in would be a more rounded experience.

I just can't get into any sort of fantasy video game, RPG etc. I prefer my games to based in reality, ie flight sims, driving sims, naval sim, soldier sim, spaceflight sim. I think it's mainly because I don't want to learn how the given fantasy world works. I finally figured out that is why I could never get into "Elite Dangerous", which I should otherwise love. I just didn't want to learn the economics of what to trade where etc.

That's a valid point I suppose. There are few NPCs you can interact with in GTA, although it is densely populated. Most of it is window dressing so I think I see where you're coming from. I think Cyberpunk will be way ahead of anything else in random interaction with seemingly innocuous, unimportant or otherwise unremarkable NPCs. We all have our standards, or what we look for in our games, what is important to us. I hope you don't miss a great game because of this though.

A couple more random thoughts based on other comments..... I know nothing of Cyberpunk, the lore or anything else. But that doesn't matter at all. I could list dozens of games, books or movies that I enjoyed but knew nothing about heading in to it. About the 'can't do fantasy' comment.... yeah I get it, and you're not alone in thinking that way. But man, how many amazing gaming experiences would I have missed if I followed the same principle? An alternate reality is often what appeals most about these games. I like realism. I like games that are anything but real. Subnautica, Original Sin, Borderlands, Prey, Dishonored and dozens more great games would fall outside of the 'reality-based' criteria. I'm glad I play them both.

If you like Medieval, have you considered Kingdom Come Deliverance?

At this point I don't really like learning all new game mechanics and control schemes, nor do I often stray outside the FPS, sim and open world genres anymore.

As far as Cyberpunk lore goes, take my word for it that its about as messy and inconsistent as that of the Fallout universe, and someone like me who comes in knowing a little about the tabletop Cyberpunk 2020 world is probably not going to find a whole lot that's familiar, or be at much of a useful advantage.

I will buy the game, regardless. I'm a sci-fi writer and a sci-fi junkie, after all, and I love the cyberpunk sub-genre.

Oh, OK that's good Blastman. I was thinking those were purchasing criteria.

BTW generally, the delays seem to be due to console performance, most notably on XBox One. I get that the publisher wants a multi-platform release. But on the other hand, it kinda sucks that it's being held up by such a creaking hardware platform. If it's true of course. But if it is that helps to assuage my fears that the problems were more deeply rooted in systems, mechanics or core game elements.

Review moratorium is said to be lifted December 7th.

This game was first announced in 2012 if I recall correctly, so it's been a long time coming, rivaling Chris Roberts' err, project, in development time. A week and day, if there are no further delays.....

I don't think CDPR had a choice on the last delay or two since they have to release on all platforms simultaneously.
I preordered it months ago and I cannot wait to see how it is next week.

Just ran across this:
[img]https://preview.redd.it/7qmz0nj9vn2...3cb0210c1ee60731a88a74b78731c60216d3b047[/img]

Is Fighter Ops still in development?

I loved playing all three Witcher games. I played Witcher 2 about three times and Witcher 3 over 600 hours and Witcher 1 gave me about 80 hours.

I like a scifi setting but I don't think I'll be able to play Cypberpunk.

Fight Ops?

Where's Aragorn?

Haha wormfood, perfect. The big difference of course is that CDPR didn't take 350m of players' money. And it is nearly out. So there's that, too.

Fighter Ops, haha. Or what was that helo sim that was always coming but never was?

Heck, even Duke Nukem Forever got beat by Fighter Ops!

I think The Last Guardian had a long wait as well. DBond, I'm not sure about the helo game. I thought there was an Apache sim or something in the works years back?

Combat Helo.


The Apache sim that never was.

Yes, that's it. ^

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 has to be up there, originally scheduled for a 2012 release, now its supposedly going to be a 2021 game, blyat!

Anyway, I'm a little worried that Cyberpunk's gunplay and melee will only be marginally better than Fallout 4's, yeah I know its supposed to be an RPG and not CyberTarkov 2077, but it would be nice if I'm wrong.

Valid concern, but from what I've seen it will be far from Fallout level combat. More like Borderlands in how fluid and over the top it is. The weapons themselves look to be amazing, and modular. Looks like there's a lot of depth here, in weapons types and styles through customization. the actual gunplay and especially melee look awesome. Not sure how much character attributes will affect things. Like if your skill is low will you miss point blank shots because the die roll said so? It does not appear to be the case. Have you seen this?

It looks decent, just perhaps not as good as it could be for a game that would have probably cost over $1B to develop had it been made in the U.S.

I think CDPR's lack of first person combat game experience shows a bit.

Tough crowd!

The guns don't seem meaty or boomy enough when they fire.

I can dig that others have their own expectations, standards or paradigms. Based on what I have seen, I am impressed with the combat. I mean, this is a a full-blown RPG. Not many first-person RPGs have good free-aim firearm and melee combat. Games like Fallout, Deus Ex, Stalker and Mass Effect do not have strong combat mechanics. Fantastic games (although I never liked ME as much as others do), but the gunplay is not a strength. I have not played FO 4 or 76 so maybe that's improved, and I think VATS is cool, but that's why I specified free-aim.

A few RPGs that comes to mind where I think the combat is good are RDR 2, Borderlands, Prey. But I reckon most play RDR2 in third-person. I played it entirely in first person and liked the combat. I guess Prey could count here too, but I seem to like the combat in this game more than most, judging by the comments I see. But even then, you wouldn't compare Prey's combat to the best shooters. It's a bit rudimentary really.

Compared to other games in the genre, Cyberpunk's combat (based on a handful of videos and game previews) looks to be really good. But I also realize we can't really know yet. It may be a huge letdown once we've had a chance to give it a go. The combat skill tree is pretty broad, and it will be interesting to see how precious skill points are, or how diverse versus specialized our mains will need to be built. The weapons system looks very cool. Weapon customization is one of my favorite things in games. The ability to modify it and make it mine is very appealing. There's a stealth element and hacking element (remotely jam an unsuspecting enemy's weapon before initiating combat for example). You can grab a NPC to use as a human shield. Taken as a whole I think Cyberpunk has the potential to be a great combat RPG, and the videos don't do anything to discourage this opinion. Looks like a lot of fun to me.

The only RPG's I've ever played where the gunplay/combat was really significantly different from what you see in your standard first person and third person shooters are the two "Knights of the Old Republic" games where the combat is turn based and you have to queue up your commands while the game is paused and then you unpause the game and watch the combat unfold.

Disclaimer: I never played any of the old school isometric RPG's from the 90's and earlier.

I guess I have high expectations as the pen and paper Cyberpunk probably had the best combat mechanics in tabletop RPG land.

On another note, I wonder how the Night City police and corporate security regard civilian weapons?

Do they freak out if you have a weapon drawn, a weapon that's not concealed or if you're packing full auto and explosive ordnance?

I know those were often an issue in the pen and paper game.

I've seen a lot of speculation about the map possibly being too small, but it doesn't look like that will be the case at all.



Speaking of maps, here is the real world location where Night City is supposed to be located:

Morro Bay

I read something that said Cyberpunk's map is about twice the size of Los Santos. If that's true, then it's pretty big. And with how dense it seems to be, it will probably feel a lot bigger. I'm excited to discover Night City's world. I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm, but it's not easy. Don't let me down Cyberpunk

And for anyone who was expecting reviews to hit today, like I was, don't. It seems that no review copies have been sent out yet. And with Cyberpunk being a massive game that will take 100-200 hours to get through, I wouldn't expect much in the way of reviews for a while. Maybe a few will come out, but far fewer than I was hoping to read today. We will be playing it before the reviews I think. Three days to go, and I'm thinking if there was to be another delay it would have been announced by now.

In my opinion, it would not be possible to accurately and sincerely review an RPG with anything less than about 50 hours of play time so I am glad there are no reviews out yet because it would indicate that those were rush jobs.

Here's the first one I found. Not too much to take from it

https://www.gameinformer.com/review/cyberpunk-2077/cyberpunk-2077-review-a-wild-time-in-night-city

What does stand out are the comments about V. I hadn't thought much about the character beats of who I am playing.

And the comments about combat. We've been talking about it, but I hadn't had any chance really to gauge the combat AI. This review says the gunplay is fine, but the AI is poor. That's a big problem if true. It loses appeal if the targets just stand around and die, or run toward you in a easy-to-aim straight line. This is my gripe with Outer Worlds, that the AI is so basic and lacks any diversity or nuance. Things like taking cover should be minimum expectations at this point. FEAR came out 15 years ago and that sort of AI should be standard by now at least.

Yes, FEAR was impressive for so many reasons. It was the first shooter I played where I distinctly remember the AI using flanking tactics to attack you and like you said, the smart use of cover to avoid your return fire. I haven't had a chance to read the review you linked to but did the author say how many hours he put into the game?

No, and if the review copies haven't been sent out as reported, I wonder what this reviewer played to write the review. All he says about time is that you can get through the critical path in about 30 hours and that there is a couple hundred hours of potential side action. But the review does seem to suggest he got to or near the end of the game.

Yes, the FEAR AI was really good, and especially so at the time. The enemy could push over objects to create their own cover. They could outflank you as Panzer noted. They could crawl under things, jump through windows, use suppressive/covering fire. The shootouts were great in that game.

Not looking good in the reviews:



https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/07/cyberpunk-2077-review-a-look-at-the-present-not-the-future/


For myself, I love interactivity in an open world. I love choosing my own journey, not being hindered by missions or required actions--having the freedom to continue on with the main quest whenever I wish. And the main quest is just that--a central mission or theme I am following that feels not like a series of individual steps or missions, but an over arching plot that fits seamlessly with the world, almost as if it were not there, nor a burden, but part of the ethos that I may ultimately wish to pursue, unraveling the mystery as I further unwind the lanyard.

This is why I love games such as Ultima 6 and 7, Ultima Underworld, or even the more recent Prey. Sadly, the review above makes it seem as if this may not be the case with Cyberpunk. A living, breathing, fully interactive world is essential to fulfilling what I love most in gaming. If the environment is simply "window dressing," then we're witnessing props instead of interacting with alternate reality.



And to DBond: For great AI play through Half Life 1, or the remake "Black Mesa."



edit 2: I like games that want me to think, and reward me for doing so, and using creativity--not games that do all the thinking for me.

Thanks for the tip Blastman, I'll add it to the list. Or at least shuffle it further up the list.

You know what game I had fun playing the way you are describing? The Misery mod for Stalker CoP. That's how I play that game. I don't bother with missions much. Well, more accurately I make my own missions. I just basically live the stalker's life, existing and surviving in the world and setting my own pace and objectives. It's a good setup for this type of experience.

Sounds like you need to check out Stalker Call of Chernobyl, DBond. It merges all of the Stalker games into one open world.


https://www.moddb.com/mods/call-of-chernobyl

It's very difficult to have great combat AI in an open world game, according to my video game developer relative.

There are just too many complexities involved, where even minor improvements in some aspects of AI behavior can often cause the game to break.

It's not impossible though, I've played mods going as far back as the original S.T.A.L.K.E.R. that managed to tweak the AI to where it was on par with the likes of F.E.A.R.

I don't know its its possible to achieve that level of balance and refinement in an open world game right out of the gate however.

I have it. It's not bad, there are some good ideas. But it is not the stark, bleak existence like Misery is. It's more like vanilla with too much of everything. It's fun, but it's no survival game. There is a third option called Call of Misery which blends both.

I hope to see future Cyberpunk DLCs where you can play as a Trauma Team or MAX-TAC member, and a quest where you can end up owning a club with a penthouse incorporated.

Here's IGNs review. Much more in-depth than the first review I posted. Delves in to the mechanical side a bit more, and more of the RPG side.

Looks like the release will be bug-ridden, based on the early word. It might be a game best served by waiting 3 months. But I don't think I can do that.

https://www.ign.com/articles/cyberpunk-2077-review

PC Gamer

https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-review/

Games Radar

https://www.gamesradar.com/cyberpunk-2077-review/

Eurogamer (40-hour pre-review)

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-12-07-cyberpunk-2077-review-impressions


It's interesting to me, reading these reviews, how split the reactions are to Silverhands. Love him or hate him, it seems. A recurrent theme that is intriguing, is how often these reviewers are talking about how choices made at one point have some unforseen effect many hours down the line. How much the experience and story changes based on what you do or don't do at some random point way before. Entire quest lines flipped based on choice. This suggest a relatively high replayability for a game like this. But there is no escaping the bugs. Every review talks of them, and these aren't the minor sort you may not even notice, but jarring ones that break the immersion. These can be patched out and I'm sure will be. But after so much time and so many delays, you'd hope that it was released in a more refined form.

I have so many games in the backlog I will wait for the bugs to be fixed.

No Man's Sky isn't helping me finish any of them, either...

Thanks DBond for the review summary.

Guess that solves my question about Day1 download or not... got some other stuff to carry me well into the new year.

It shouldn't be too bad after the launch patch.

I can live with a few bugs as long as they're not game breaking or a subsequent patch ruins your saved games or something.

I can wait, too many things going on in my life as it is.

I just want to point out what a blown opportunity this game was for the lockdown and pandemic. So now we are going to have 2 economic downturns, first the pandemic, then the sick/vacation time lost to this game.

Yeah, the original April release would have lined up much better, and by now the game would be pretty much fully optimized and have a strong modding community.

So I'll ask this question,

If the release version supposedly is full of bugs then what was the purpose of the multiple release delays?

Console performance, specifically the X Box from what I've heard, is what the latest delay was about.

I bought the game, preloaded it. Going to buy it anyway and may as well get whatever pre-order trinkets are included. Now I'm at this weird place where I want to play it, and I want to wait to let it get as good as it can get.

Same here. There's also the concern as Crane Hunter mentioned that a subsequent major patch breaks any current save games. That HAS happened with many other games so it's not a rare occurrence.

The AI in FEAR had two things going for it:
1) It wasn't an open world. This makes it much easier.
2) The level design guys worked hand in hand with the AI guys to make sure it all worked. These days they're liable to be working in different studios thousands of miles away and working on their parts separately.

to "optmize last gen"while removing features and graphics.

here is a honest trailer of the actual state of the game on ps4 https://no-cookie.kiwifarms.net/data/video/1771/1771883-883779c57bd2f037b0cbc70d105a6296.mp4

https://no-cookie.kiwifarms.net/data/video/1771/1771835-0f1537bf5a7565ad8ea425d8c8dbb7fe.mp4 <<< btw notice how slow the vehicle move.........even bikes are this slow........the game doesnt even feature tire blow out damage.

i was going to wait 4 months, after these, im skipping a whole year.

so this is why they were damage controling, lol https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...-3090-and-rtx-3080-performance-leaks-out

Well, both Total War: Rome 2 and Fallout 76 were disasters on release day but both were eventually fixed so I'm hopeful that will be the case with Cyberpunk.

It's the top streaming game on Twitch TV right now by a huge margin.

I'm holding back for now.

its an event they started 2 hours ago, all streamers got early acess key.

From what I've read, and I've read a number of reviews now, I must say it is looking like my expectations for Cyberpunk were too high. My assessment of what I've read is that Cyberpunk is a good game, maybe even great, with some very amazing parts to it, but it's brought down because it doesn't really advance the standard. I was hoping we would see a transcendent game here, something that brought a new paradigm, that altered the way we think of, or approach, video gaming.

I'm disappointed by the reported state of the game, but not too put out because I know the technical missteps will be corrected, and honestly with the scale here, I expected it. Maybe not so much of it after so many delays. But it's normal I think. It's more the vibe I get where the game is not evolutionary in the way I expected. I do expect to have fun with it and I think I will like it. But I wanted something that didn't just move the needle but blew it up. I don't think Cyberpunk is that game.

But we live in a different time now. It used to be that a game was released, and there'd be a few patches, but what you were playing a year on was still the same thing you had at release. But now, games transform. Over time the technical issues are dealt with of course, but through patches and DLC the experience is enhanced, expanded and becomes something greater. Maybe we will see this from Cyberpunk too.

So I am left with a dilemma. I have the game loaded. And I want to play it. I want to experience it for myself. Countless times in my gaming history I read negatives and criticism, then played it myself and loved it. I often joke I have much better luck with games than the others playing the same thing. Sure seems that way if I compare general satisfaction levels haha. But I also want it to make a mark, to impress me, to draw me in. The chances of this increase the longer I wait to kick it off.

What to do? It's common in RPGs especially, that I reroll a start after a few hours. Get in, experiment, get a feel for the lay of the land so to speak, and then start anew with all I've learned. This time, maybe that reroll comes four months down the line instead.

If I do start it tomorrow I will be sure to share what I think with you guys after I have some time in.

I'm not a game designer or developer but can you provide any specifics on how this game could have been a paradigm shift and hence something that we have never seen in any other RPG released within the past 20 years?

From my own personal experience after having played both Knights of the Old Republic RPG's, all three Witcher RPG's, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, the last two Deus Ex RPG's and Skyrim I just don't see how any new RPG can rewrite the book on the genre. I think pretty much everything that can be done has been done.

Everybody also forgets that on initial release The Witcher 3 was also a bit of a bug riddled mess.
Most reviews I've read haven't been helpful so I'll just give it a try tonight and see how it goes.

I don't see it that way and there is plenty of room to do new things. Games like Half-Life, Deus Ex, Fallout 3 and Witcher 3 were this type of game, ones that shifted my expectations of what a video game could be.

Specifically, my unbridled expectations for Cyberpunk revolved around interactivity, with the world and especially characters. I envisioned deep characters with a twisted, convoluted, intertwined relationship, with tendrils that reached out through the game. There does seem to be some of this according to the reviews. I expected a city unlike we've seen before, and while I think it is, it lacks the emergent, spontaneous story-generation that I thought we'd see. A recurrent theme in the reviews is how much of the world is like props, or window dressing. I expected this to be more fleshed out. A story on every corner, where the places you went and the people you approached were more capable of becoming an experience in themselves. A city that felt alive not just because of the sights and sounds, but because of how real it and organic it is, how any NPC could be a new arc. It seems to lack the free-form I thought it would have and instead seems to be a game where CDPR has already prepared what you will do. In essence, I saw a new level of systems and character interaction all woven together in ways we had never seen. And then beyond that, my expectations were colored by how much faith I have in CDPR based on the Witcher games. I expected the unexpected, trusting CDPR to use this new vehicle to bring us gameplay outside our box. In many ways, the game feels 'safe', when perhaps I expected more of new edge, of things I could not think of. Things the creative minds behind it were capable of thinking of that I never would have.

To be fair, this is all coming from reviews. I've read about twenty I'd guess. It helps to form an impression, but only getting in there and seeing for myself will mean anything. It takes a good deal of time in a game for the novelty and wow to wear off and the true underlying mechanics to reveal themselves. So the real test will be to see how I feel about it 30 hours in.

As noted, I had it on preorder but cancelled until I get one of the new AMD GPUs.

Meantime, I'll be interested to read "first impressions" in this thread.

The lack of emergent gameplay is a huge turnoff for me. I've only ever been able to tolerate GTA games for so long, in small doses, before the facade crumbles, and this sounds like no exception.

What I am hoping for the most, though, is a texture mod to remove all the ink from NPC skin, especially the female characters. Any ink, even the smallest amount, makes me cringe. Yes, I am a prude.

I most certainly will post my first impression article here after I've put about 25 hours into the game. I'm preloading the game as I type this post.

I'll offer mine for certain, but yet to know when I will start. After work tomorrow I'm sure haha.

I think whoever offers the first report in-game should start a new thread, so that anyone looking for that won't need to wade through a half-dozen pages of our pre-release speculation.

I think CDPR would need to produce a sequel or two before they have sufficient familiarity with the material, player feedback and the hardware necessary for a Cyberpunk game to begin to live up to the kind of hype that was built up for 2077.

what they need is make their own ip, all their games were based on work where the background was already layed out for them. Lets see if they have what it takes to actually make a game.
and wth is emergent gameplay ? there are walkthrough all over youtube by now, just forget streamers, those guys cant play for #%&*$# and talke too much.. i recoment MKIceAndFire

Depends on who you ask. For me it means 'content' that is unintended, unscripted, and borne from my own imagination from in-game events and systems. As a very simple example of what I mean, consider a given moment in GTA.

I'm walking down the street minding my own business looking for something to do. Suddenly a car rips past with the long arm of the law hot on his heels. And that could be it. A vignette in that moment.

But what if instead I decide to steal this car right here and take off in pursuit of that cop car? I might decide to take out the cops to help the criminal get away. or maybe I pit maneuver the bad guy, and the cops get him. Maybe I do that but then open fire on everyone involved. Maybe I just follow along to see what happens, and watch the inevitable shootout on some random street corner, picking up the cash the perp drops and then skedaddle on my way. This is a basic example of what I mean when I use that term. Gameplay that emerges from the normal state of the game, but which was unintended.

Its the same as wanting a fully thought out dynamic campaign in a flight sim. That's why Falcon to this day is unmatched in terms of flight sims for me. Unfortunately, as with flight sims no one is willing to put the effort in to implement something like that. the rate of return just isn't there.

I'm watching Cohh playing, and just watched Cohh interact with himself in game... and it seems fine so far. Visuals are fine, and performance (on a beefy rig) is solid, with no problems.

Maybe it all falls apart in a later segment, or on potatoes, but so far so fine. (5 hours).

Here's a positive take

God is a Geek review

https://www.godisageek.com/reviews/cyberpunk-2077-review/

I feel as though this is what I will think of it too.

10/10 is an implausible score to me. I'd prefer to see a realistic scoring, where 'the best game evarrrr' is a 9/10 or 9.5/10, with scope for improvement or progression... and that to be as rare as hen's teeth.

It was ludicrous when TLoU2 was getting 10/10 s and it is ludicrous that CP2077 is getting them too, there are bugs and glitches and rough animations (so far only trivial ones, but they are visible in pretty much every scene in unimportant backgrounds... - this could certainly be improved on, and I have seen some better examples of several elements in other games, even though it is still early to judge the overall quality, there is enough on display to see it missed being spot on.

Agreed and actually I didn't even notice the score. And frankly I rarely do aside from PC Gamer reviews where you can't miss it. I read the article and take what I can out of it.

And I think the best game ever IS 10/10 and the rest should scale off that

R Talsorian's Cyberpunk is pretty much the only game in town in this genre, and it would be tough to beat its 32 years worth of "brand recognition" and an already fully fleshed out universe.

I'd also argue that CDPR had a lot of control over the material as the previous Cyberpunk canon only really concerned what was occurring in the years 2013-2045.

I just think its inherently how to pull off a densely populated and detailed urban landscape with a high level of interactivity in an open world game, let alone one with a setting that hasn't really been done before. If CDPR was putting out a Fallout or Stalker type game where most of the game world is ruined and empty, that would have made their job much easier.

TLoU2 is a divisive game and those perfect score reviews were politically motivated. Very hard to trust most reviews nowadays.

Take the TV show "Orphan Black," for example, which I watched due to recommendation here. I have two episodes left, and despite the glowing reviews on IMDB--I mean, we're talking 8s, 9s and 10s, for myself is one of the weakest shows I have watched in the last five years. Very, very disappointing and frankly I could care less how they finish the mess. But, after watching the series, I can see why many of the reviews rated it so highly... And these scores have nothing to do with the quality of science fiction writing or plotting.

This is probably edited, but I got a chuckle out of it anyway.

omg LOL, the body slamming van was the highlight,

Haha, 63 years in development


That's alotta crowdfunding....

Wow, that's a Bethesda Softworks level of glitchiness right there!

If that video is real, why is anyone discussing ray tracing

its console footage, pc only released 15 minutes ago.

My son has been playing the last few hours, he likes it. He said he doesn't think I'll like it. Rap music stations when driving and you can't change the channel.
Not sure of the relevance of customizing the size of your dick, how big your pubes are or choosing to be circumcised or not. He KNOWS I find the GTA games juvenile (all the N bombs make me uncomfortable), so he is probably right that I won't like it.

I have 3.5 hours in, so far so good, no bugs that I can see.

Runs ok on my ageing gaming laptop, although I have to run it on low settings.

I like the melee combat more than the gunplay at this point, and find driving a bit tricky.

My V, a stone cold psycho bytch.

I watched a bit, It looks really good. My son has a 2080 Ti.

You're kidding right? I find that pretty absurd.

Now the developer just needs to patch the game quickly to keep the pitchfork and torch masses appeased.

FWIW: From the Current/Future AMD thread:

Technically you can choose either male or female body build, and then attach either size or penis or a vulva to either, and select mutilated or normal penis, and choose the 'topiary' you wear.

Which is fine, you can also select from a myriad options for tattoos, piercings, cyberware. Everyone is a freak, especially the normie.

And hilariously the trans activists are out in force declaring this (and an advert for 'mixit' "choose your flavour", starring a chick with a dick) to be transphobic. I #%&*$# you not.

I have a 2080, it struggled a bit on high at 4k. Reduced it to 1080 and it's buttery smooth.
The only two bugs I've seen so far are 1)occasionally, hair on both my character and NPCs are missing. 2) sometimes in a car I cannot change the camera.

Also, you can change the radio station. There's not too many stations though.

The Star Citizen reddit has some fun memes about the bugs too.

So circumcised is considered mutilated ?

I don't mean to put words in his mouth, but I think his point is those customizations are absurd. At least that's how I read it.

Yeah, you are probably right. I thought he was implying I was absurd for questioning it. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet. My apologies.

You would be correct sir!

Sorry Panzer.

My son is running it at 1080. Can't wait for him to upgrade to the 3090, I'm getting his rig at a great deal, less than a year old. Looking forward to getting away from my gaming laptop.

No problem. Sometimes communication via the internet falls between the cracks.

Probably won't even run on my 970.

BTW, from Steam:

Don't pick a circumcised penis if you are a male V.
It locks you out of romance options and characters will mock you in the game.

I can't believe this is even a thing, but it's true. it's truly bizarre CDPR would let such a seemingly minor choice ( for a game) to play a role in the narrative.

Pretty low by CDPR IMO.
I can almost understand the anti circumcision crowd. My son was 6 days old when I took him to get his done. A beautiful happy baby those first 6 days. Did not cry once. It was horrific, the screams and cries. I felt like I betrayed the little guy. It was so bad that I don't know if I could do it again. Thankfully he does not remember it, and I don't have to make that choice. baby making days are over.

8,000,000 x $59.95 = ~ $480,000,000.

480 million dollars is not all profit -- but, it should go a long way towards paying development costs

About 100m of that goes to Steam and other distribution platforms I reckon.

I get done work in two hours. Still not sure if I will dive in, but how will I resist? So many reasons to wait just a bit, but not sure i can.

480 million in pre-order sales is very impressive indeed but as any basic student of business will tell you, revenue and profit margin are two VERY different animals.

I believe Steam gets about a 30% cut for each digital copy sold? I could be wrong but I remember reading somewhere that it was about 30%.

As for me, I'll be starting the game tonight and will post my "first impressions" review here after I log about 25 hours of play time.

It runs with my 960M, albeit on low settings, still looks good however.

Anyway, I just got into a hellacious nighttime firefight on the street with a bunch of Tyger Claws, I don't know if it was a scripted event or a possibly glitched random encounter as there were 16 of them.

It was a tough fight as I went into it with my beginner weapons, but now I have a bunch of SMGs and Rifles as well as katanas and tantos.

At one point they destroyed the cover I was hiding behind and almost killed me, so I guess at least some objects are destructible?

So it was you alone against 16 gang members and you won? It's good to see the plausibility of the game is well within reasonable bounds......

Well, I am a battle hardened mercenary, and former nomad scout {who are the fighting elite of the nomad community} also also ex military, if the tattoos are indication, vs a bunch of low level street thugs.

Apparently there is the option of graphic sex scenes. I guess that explains why you might choose a giant unclipped hog.

The next one of you gonks talking about digital dicks is gonna get flatlined!

Anyway so I just had my first boss battle, a side gig as I'm purposely ignoring the main quest, it was supposed to be high difficulty but was easy compared to my earlier fight with the Tyger Claws.

I have to say that they've really nailed the Cyberpunk vibe when you travel around at night, everything's just so dark, dangerous and mysterious.

Still having trouble controlling the vehicles with WASD, many of them are overpowered and the tight confines of the city doesn't help.

performance is abysmall, they #%&*$# over anyone with nvidia, and GTX cards and this game relies on dlss to have good performance.
i only got playable peformance by using dynamic resolution, with frankly at least works pretty well unlike the smudgy, blurry mess other games have, it works i guess like the checkerboard on ps4.
without it, i got locked at 30s low 40s.

game has no sensibility ajustment,wich sucks, AA is enabled by default and not an option wich caues the game to blur when you move. me thinks this is a console port through and through.

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO HAVE CHARACTER CREATORS THAT REFLECT THE IN GAME LOOK ?

i tried to make major kusanagi from ghost in the shell i picked a purple hair......and when i started the game it was freaking neon pink ! PINK !!!

my settings and how it looks on my machine.

https://imgur.com/a/R5jfI7Q

Also BEWARE ! YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR LOOK AFTERWARDS NOT EVEN HAIR.
your would think after witcher 3 in a game that society is all about look they would offer hairdressers,saloons, barbershop.......or even a bodyshop clinic........FFS other games that didnt have this as focus had it ilike saints row and GTA.

A smart man would create a hot lesbian avatar to play.

I've been looking forward to the launch of this just for the drama. Was a bit interested at first, but then saw the character animations and had flashbacks to every other game I ever played that made me feel like a hostage. There's something about drawn-out actions for using items and doing things that annoys me. It's supposed to be more immersive but it takes control away from you. It's like every time you press f you have to sit through a mini-QTE where you look at your arms doing mundane things and wait.

and a smarter man would create a hot lesbian avatar with D to have better ....encounters

Do you mean D cup, because if you mean a D I CK, that's too woke for me, haven't you seen my posts in PWEC?

not yet, but it will be their next coveated thing after breast implants lol.
and i do mean richard yes, because the sex scenes are on pov...soo....its weird.

I purposely made my female character unattractive in case the ol' lady makes an issue of it.

So far I've left the main quest alone and just exploring and doing side gigs, I'm beginning to think V's fixers are related to Preston Garvey...

Does your girlfriend not know the difference between reality and the fantasy of a video game?

Probably not with a wallet.

Anyone having any difficulties running this game? Lad's got a brand new 3070, 2k monitor. No matter how he adjusts the options every now and then the GPU spools up to 100% and all he can do is restart game. I've only just started playing it as a nomad so I can imagine I'm not pushing my 1080ti much.

My girlfriend knows very little.

When possible my female character is always my wife. I change the face/body whatever to resemble her (when younger). If feasible, I sometimes mod the game to more accurately represent her. I give the female character a semblance of my wife's name.

Then, I play as her "Guardian Spirit". I guide her "from above" (why I like 3'd person). If needed, I mod her to "have the power". Guardian Spirits can mod people and give them "special magic"

A way to show my wife I'm thinking of her even when sitting alone playing a game. And a way to "rationalize" modding the game

Well thought out strategy Allen.

Can't be any weirder than GTA V with a hooker in the car in first person view. Pretty messed up.

it will be weirder than mass effect, aparently they backtracked on nudity and now all you see is your underwear , wich makes no sense as you have the option to customize it during CC, but in game its censored.
another lie to chip off their consumer friendly armor.

https://forums.cdprojektred.com/ind...w-mirrors-photo-mode-bug.11041100/page-5

I'm running the game very smoothly in 4K on High settings with an AMD 3700x, 32GB RAM and a Geforce RTX 2070. Yes, the genitalia selection is absurdly ridiculous and undoubtedly causing 13 year-old boys giggle fits the world over. You can see the genitalia in-game if you go into your inventory and remove your pants. I shall therefore be wearing the same pants for the rest of the game. The whole thing is juvenile and I'm disappointed in CDPR for thinking that 4K penises and vaginas would be "just what people want".

The graphics are jaw-droppingly stunning at times and the weapons-play works fine for me. Guns don't sound like cannons in real-life, so I don't think they sound under-powered at all. There are a few glitches here and there but nothing game-breaking for me. One example is that when I was following my colleague Jackie into an elevator, he walked through the elevator doors which opened only when I approached them.

I am not a fan of excessive profanity (I grew weary of it in GTA) for the same reason I don't care for graphic sex in games. It seems like such a desperate attempt by designers to be "grown-up". Tolkien seems plenty grown-up to me and didn't have to drop the F-bomb or N-word once, so we'll see how that plays out. I'm hoping that any graphic sex in the game can be opted out of like The Witcher games. I played through all three of those and didn't virtually boink anybody.

My one major complaint so far is that there is an awful lot of exposition and reading during your first few hours of play. I've heard that it takes about 10 hours to really get the game to open up, so prepare yourself for lots of dialogue and story set-up. I'm 3 hours in and have only had 2 shoot-outs with bad guys. I've read a ton of in-game web pages and text messages. The upside is that I'm learning a lot about Night City and world events in this virtual reality.

For me, the game is definitely worth 60 bucks in it's current state. I can't speak for the console versions as I don't have them. I've heard it's OK on the XBox One, but really problematic on the PS4. YMMV.

I hope some of you find this helpful!

Thanks for your input JCathcart. I know the hardcore RPG players don't mind reading pages and pages of text in a game but it's also nice for players to have the option to skip it if that's their choice. For example, I really did enjoy Skyrim but do you think I actually read through all of those books that you come across in the game? Nope. lol

You were right not to read them, too. The writing in Skyrim was atrocious, especially those books. Most of them were long, boring, non-fiction diatribes on lineages and other nonsense, and the ones that were not were so dry and pointed they were a chore to even skim. Morrowind had much better writing.

I hear there's an issue with players virtual penises, which I'm told the player chooses in creating a profile, showing through their virtual clothing.

This includes "female" characters equipped with a penis.

Seriously?

you call yourself a gamer ? not only i read them i organized them by subject and color i was really disapointed they didnt give us a library setting for your house.
the zipper issue only happens in inventory,

Indeed I did. I'd like to see more posts like this.

I successfully failed to start Cyberpunk yesterday after work. I want to play it, and will. But i just didn't feel enthusiastic about creating a character at that moment. And there's this feeling that for every day I wait there will be more patches and hotfixes, making my very first impressions as favorable as possible. I think I am a fairly forgiving gamer, I can accept faults and issues if the game is good, just look at the RDR 2 thread. So I don't think that I would recoil at the current state of the game, warts and all. But there's every chance that a hotfix or two might drop before I start.

And I wanted to finish my Borderlands run too if i can. Once I dive in to Night City I expect to stay there a while.

JC you played 4k high on 2070 smooth ?
what exactly do you consider smooth, and are you running dlss ?

I decided to give it a try although I thought my hardware would struggle (i5 6600/GTX970/32GB) but I'm getting pretty good frames at the default settings.

Driving is horrible with K/B so I may bust out the controller. I've just finished the training so let's see how this goes.

I'd be interested to know if it's 'multi-controller'. In other words can I seamlessly use my controller for driving and KB & M when on foot like in RDR 2 or GTA?

That's what I'm hoping to do but I'm done gaming for tonight. Time to relax

I spent about a minute customising my character (I went with a default model) as I can't be ar$ed with that sort of thing. At least I'm wearing underwear.

Yes you can

Thanks Bisher.

I typically play a stealthy infiltrator type character in open world games, but sneaking seems only marginally useful thus far in Cyberpunk, I wish I had put those points towards technical abilities instead.

I don't like how most of gear seems to rapidly become outdated, there's such a thing as too much progressivity.

Another thing I'm not crazy about is how the enemies level with you, to a varied extent. Typical enemies that I could kill quickly near the beginning of the game are now fairly "tanky", although my character can take a lot more damage also. I would have preferred that everybody stay fairly easy to kill unless there is good reason why they wouldn't be, which is one of the key hallmarks of the pen and paper game.

Those complaints aside, this is still easily the best open world game I've ever experienced.

And, an hour ago, an article says:

Hey Blade...yes, I am running DLSS (auto setting) and I'm getting between 25-30 FPS, which looks fine to me. Unless I'm flying a flight sim like MSFS or DCS, I don't care about frame rates much. I just don't want any stuttering or lag, and I'm not getting any here.

I seem to be suffering distorted audio,anyone else got that problem?

Yes. That kind of crap has been a staple of cyberpunk genre fiction since about the mid 80s.

My kind of girl.....

this game is utter rpg garbage, i regret having spent most of 2h trying to bench to get a stable performance or i would refund this sham.

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they lied out their ass about this game, and it seems they cut basically everything because of last gen.

Trains were obviously cut, even though the whole infrastructure is visible, they showed a trailer with v in it and the whole system was teased in a screenshot early on......nope nada.
no emergent gameplay, im early on but i have yet to meet their "radial"quests, all i got was a bunch of message from cops.....why am i suposed to help them, im a #%&*$# criminal not blade runner !
Interaction with game world is minimal, even skyrim did it better with sitting in benchs and stuff.
The AI is pathetic, cops dont react to gangs attacking you, but the moment you shoot them, they gang on you, and worse, they spawn out of thin air around you and you cant shoot them because it just increase your wanted level with more cops showing up from ether, i ran and they gave me chase for a whole 5 minutes around 5 blocks !!
i once started shoting from a ledge with no acess, and sudenly because one cop heard or saw me attacking the gang, 2 cops spawned on the ledge near me.....#%&*$# #%&*$#.
remember the you can date anyone you meet ? you only have interaction with mission givers, people on the street basically have 3 dialogues and they dont really react to you, or even stuff you do.
no ownership, you can "steal"people blind ,guess california became soviet russia
no garage or parking
you cant preview itens in inventory
inventory ID card doesnt reflect the look of looted item (guns color), this will NEVER be fixed, if they didnt bother to implement it will be too much of a hassle to go back and place ids on the itens, i have seen this in other rpgs.
AI combat is very early 2000 basic, enemy hunker down and shoot, that is it.
no drone control outside scripted missions

Dont bother to place skill on stealth, it is an afterthought and it barelly works.

Deus EX was better ! if only we got a new game for next gen instead of stupid avengers.
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Stealth does work to an extent, but you need to be good at setting up takedowns and have a high movement speed, it also helps if the target is distracted.

Many of the side gigs are as challenging as the final battles in other games, they may not have a lot of depth but they are satisfying.

I've found the combat AI to be ok, I've had them flank and maneuver aplenty, although the overall combat mechanics are basically Fallout 4 level.

I found the cops aren't too hard to evade, I even killed a couple and lost the rest by heading to an abandoned area, sprinting around corners, jumping fences and climbing buildings and then waiting it out in sneak mode.

yeah i heard of that, but for me they kept chasing around corners always knowing where i was and spaming overheating hack, i must say im on hardest dificulty. i only lost them when i jumped down a bridge, and they still lobed a grenade on my face before disapearing lol.

Thanks for the "no holds barred" review. The issues you mention would matter to my enjoyment. Police appearing out of nowhere would be a "turn off".

I play games on "normal" difficulty to avoid the sometimes overdone extremes of hard difficulty settings. Your review has warned me to stay "normal".

I'll buy it eventually. But, I'll give them some months to fix it. Meantime, I'm still interested to read more reviews in this thread. Its educational.

I started the game last night. I picked the “Corpo” character class. I’m only about 2 hours into it but so far I like it. The atmosphere and general vibe of the Cyberpunk world is VERY reminiscent of Altered Carbon.

this mod is a must for anyone on pc https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/30
fck projec incompetent red.

Can you check that link Blade?

I can't open it, what's it do?

The last small patch seemed to make it run significantly smoother and included some "quality of life" tweaks.

allows you to remap the interaction key ,a remapable key to walk on pc or drive slower, and removed dash from double taping and allow it to be mapped, default alt left.
what is wrong with the link ? even logged out i can see it. search for( E to Interact - V to Walk and Drive - Dedicated Dodge)

It wasn't working but is now thanks.

If anyone can point me in the right direction without a full spoiler I'd be grateful.

I'm trying to find the relic using the Braindance in Yorinobu's apartment. I thought I'd searched everywhere but clearly I'm missing it. I assume it has to be within signal range of the girl. I'll keep going but I got a bit frustrated with it earlier.

This explain a lot what i mentioned earlier, i ran from the police into this back alley without them seeing me, they got to the end of the street and slowly always looking at me started to go forward but stoped, i used the photo mode and could see their weapons trained at me, when i ID them with cyberware they agro and shot me though wall.


this is the lack of polishment in this game

the burguer is not always conected to the right bone, saw this too with a waitress.
besides all the npcs missing their jugs and beers



to claim the game is gold like this is very unprofessional, even valhalla with all its bugs and glitches is more polished than this.

I'm seeing any of that at over 50 hours in, what are you playing it on?

PC steam version, wich aparently is different version from gog.

at 5:!5 in this video it shows exactly what i meantioned before about the police, guy was about doing gang operation and police is alerted and just spawned behind him causing him to fight them and bringing more police.and the worse thing ? it appears he was saving the police in the ground, so yeah, police is dumb as #%&*$#, i doubt this game even has a faction AI

My eldest Son who is enjoying it without encountering major game-spoiling glitches/bugs so far, tells me that although you can cross-gender equipping your character with, minge, todger and bristols*, the 'woke' are complaining of lack of 'inclusion' as there is no gender reference other than he/she to cater for the gender-neutral or whatever.

*Being English I can get away with UK smutty derivations here

Bowsprit and topsails.

I've made my first foray back into the Badlands, there's some notable stuff out there but beware if you get into a fight as there's a not a lot of cover in most places compared to the city.

You also need an offroad capable vehicle as you will be forced to drive at a crawl over most of the terrain otherwise.

Speaking of vehicles, I find I prefer motorcycles and the various "hot hatches" for driving in the city, the motorcycles for being able to lane split and park anywhere, and the latter because they are compact, fairly fast yet controllable.

found my first major issue bug, couldnt advance quest

Best bugs compilation

crazy vehicles:

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kc7hbh/probably_the_best_bug_ive_ever_encountered/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kcawxn/scared_the_sht_out_of_me/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kce6mh/the_hulk_is_in_my_game_i_made_him_mad/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kc9r8g/deciding_which_car_i_wanted_to_steal/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkg...es_turn_2d_when_you_are_far_enough_away/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgamebugs/comments/kbwy7h/car_consistency_is_key/



pedimania:
https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kch65e/simple_trick_to_increase_your_fps_by_10/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kc5aoy/literally_unplayable/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kc8y47/jackie_was_stressed_and_needed_some_spooning/

nature wrath:

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kcevji/the_palm_trees_are_sentient_and_they_seek/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgamebugs/comments/kcgzn8/v_midget/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkg...sole_popins_leading_to_cinematic_moment/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgamebugs/comments/kchyb4/headless/

So...

How much is Cyberpunk like GTA?

Is it as limited in ability to interact with the world?

Or is it far more open and flexible, say like a traditional western RPG such as Ultima/Arx Fatalis/Underworld/Prey?

For those unaware, in the Ultima games there are essentially zero "quests" given, save for perhaps the main, single one. Everything else you learn and solve as you explore the world, which your own scope evolves in picture as you venture further and speak with more folks.

Fortunately the only reoccurring bug I've seen is dropped objects and bodies clipping through the terrain and can no longer be interacted with, and even that has only happened maybe 10 times so far.

I haven't played a recent GTA but yeah, Cyberpunk is pretty limited as far as general inactivity, with the vast majority of people and objects are simply there for show.

I feel like they could added more content but it would have cost them most of the console peasant market.

The parkour is a pleasant surprise though, they are some interesting places to explore when climbing, and to take in some stunning views.

its nothing like GTA, in fact they should just disable the police system all toguether.......it has no work behind it.
the game goes out of its way to tell the player cops dont give a #%&*$# about people..............so why is it that when i harm one person without a trauma package the whole distrinct show up spawning out of thin air in your los ? just disable it. it doesnt work and no one will miss it.

Basically, the Cyberpunk 2077 development team is using out of date code in their game engine. The article explains that the fix does not always work for all AMD CPUs.

Another bug for the developers to fix.

Article Explaining Do It Yourself Fix

I started my run, choosing Street Kid for the background. Played about 4 hours and really like it so far. I was happy to find the game runs very smoothly for me. I don't have a cutting edge box, and was worried that this would be the first game to bring it to its knees. But it runs very well. Smooth framerates and looks good. I disabled several graphics settings straight off, like depth of field, film grain and a couple more. Specs are Ryzen 2600, 1660Ti and 16 gigs of RAM. I didn't even update my driver which must be a year old and it all ran smoothly and trouble free. Much better here than I was expecting from the early reports.

Two bugs have struck. One is while walking down the street some of the pedestrian traffic NPCs simply vanish in front of my eyes. And once or twice I saw an object load first as a very low-res version then it instantly morphs in to the high-res version, but you can see it before it does. After all the alarm over the state of the game I must say I was very happy to see it's not so bad after all (so far).

Four hours means I'm still in the prologue, but so far I am digging the gameplay. Voice acting so far is top-notch, the characters are convincing, even if I've only dealt with a couple so far for any length of time. The gameplay seems solid. It successfully pulls me in. Early impressions are quite favorable but there's plenty more lying ahead so we will see where it goes from here. First impressions are vital of course and so far it's been far better than I expected it to be. I'm leaning toward a stealth build, even if stealth is rudimentary. But that's my jam, so we will see how well it plays out in Cyberpunk.

I'm at the stage where the background choice takes the player down a unique path, the Street Kid opening. Along the way I was tasked with stealing a high-end whip. Sneak in, disable the security, and bring it back to the client. But it all went wrong, and I found myself completely in to it. It was convincing and compelling, and the sort of thing that makes me keen to see where Cyberpunk takes me. I had very high expectations for this game, maybe unreasonably so. The early buzz and reviews served to put a bit of a damper on those, but so far I am digging Cyberpunk.

go to a road......look all the way in one direction then make a 180....now do it again......spot the difference ? there is no permanency the cars just like npcs despawn as soon as you are not looking in their direction.
also someone found that pc is using the same configuration as last gen consoles in the config files. changing that helped me a bunch. i can get 39 frames without using the awfull resolution scaling

I take it you haven't yet reached the title card/opening? That took Cohh around 10-11 hours iirc (though he does loot-whore his way through most play-throughs he does so a bit less is reasonable).

I'm liking the writing and acting/scene setting for the most part - though a few scenes are diminished by odd bugs... still. These are fixable, while bad acting, dialogue and a bad story/direction are not...

I love some of the transitions of character development 'shown not told' then reinforced several quests later if you missed them... some being quite subtle but definitely intentional.

Not yet Lieste. Just taking my time. I heard you reach that point closer to six hours in, but if I got ten before then all the better.

I also like the scenes so far, but I must also recognize that the section of the game I am in is the most structured. Once I am cast free to my own devices the real Cyberpunk will reveal itself I think.

Oh yeah, aside from the graphics tweaks I also turned off aim assist before starting.

How odd, was about an hour into the game and doing first set of training missions. Decided to only complete the first two and exited the area. Next thing I'm storming into a flat to rescue someone I've never heard of whilst being guided by someone else I've never heard of, and when finished I had to ring someone I'd never heard of. All of this taking place in Night city that I never even realised I'd entered.

Did you skip the whole 'montage' bit?

No, just walked out of the training room. Oh well, hopefully things will become clearer.

The montage is before you drive up with Jackie and he gives you the training shard.

There are three different paths, based on life-choice start, in all of them, you fall foul of the police/corpos/corpos and end up tagging along with Jackie, who partners up with you, and you meet his mum, his gf misty, and they set you up with a new pad...

Then the two mercs V and Jackie are sent by their fixer to find a missing girl. At the site, Jackie suggests you refresh your training with a new shard T-bug had prepared (which you can do, do half of, or skip), then the mission starts.

The speech checks are quite common through the game based on the choice of origin and they open doors/solve problems, but the overall arc is similar from this point on afaict.

Thanks for the explanation. Last thing I did (nomad) was drive through the border check point then into training. Not had sight of mum, gf etc. But just tried again and it seems I've a new pad as well. Like a twilight zone episode.

By the training room do you mean the combat and hacking tutorial that you do virtually while sitting in the car before the rescue missions that Lieste is referring to?

If so then yep, that's where the three unique backgrounds all converge. there is a long montage that flitters by (I was like what's this then?) and it flashes up on the screen "6 months later". At this point you're tight with Jackie and you're running together, doing jobs. This rescue is just another one of those jobs (the ones that came before being handled by that montage which is supposed to represent the time that has passed I guess)

Which life path had you chosen? I can't speak for the others, but in Street Kid I surely knew Jackie from what transpired before. T-Bug is the one guiding you but I cannot recall now whether I had encountered her before this mission? But this of course will be the first time you hear of Sandra, the girl you're sent to rescue. If you suddenly found yourself in NC, then I reckon you went nomad.

I think archermav's confusion stems from the fact that 6 months went by and you're just dropped in to the day the Rescue mission comes up.

Yeah T-bug is your netrunner and the girl in the Militech training chip she has hacked and augmented.
You meet her first for this job, actually in the training sim, and she is running scans/making hacks for you in the mission for the first time. You are all three part of a crew being assembled for a job (which at this point you know nothing of) - Jackie is your usual partner.

For Nomad, once your "smuggling the lizard" goes wrong you agree to set up with Jackie - which leads to a montage of 'first seeing the sights', meeting mum, getting drunk, stealing a case, making a sale etc meeting misty, losing a tooth, chasing bad-guys, having a shoot out, meeting mum and misty, moving into a new apartment ... then in the car getting your new job... do you want tutorial on how to play?

For Street Kid... once your "steal the hot wheels" doesn't quite head the same way everyone expects... the rest as above.

For Corpo-rat... once things go sideways... Jackie takes you in... rest as above. I think this one is the longest of the intro missions though, but only by a bit.

It seems to be if you want a sneaky character to put as many or more points into tech and intel so you can bypass many of the locks, doors, security ect.

Did you cycle the filters between visual, thermal and audio? The signal range for visual and thermal are LOS, and a couple can be some distance away.

Thanks chaps. Yep DBond, I went Nomad. Lieste, yep, that explains everything. Obviously I've clearly missed the six month montage thing so was getting rather confused (easily done for me). I'll crack on from here. Thanks both, most helpful.

You need to look for a cooled location, which is stable. Some are not cool enough, some are likely to be disturbed/change temp. As Evie moves around the flat she can pick up new thermal 'hits', so you need to wipe back and forth as she follows YA about or steps out of his way.

Thanks. I eventually got it but I spent far too much time in that room.

Because no game tells me what to do and bound me into their playground area .


i killed two guards in the bridge, crossed over to downtown during the lockdown, entered a pub i wasnt suposed to yet (its locked,problably story related) ,killed a bunch of animals and scavengers and loot purple itens and stored guns i cant use yet plus i looted some sweet heavy machine gun and brough it back to my storage,fought a super sayajin scavenger and kidnapped a boss i was suposed to kill to finish a gig for the police,all this before even talking to jackie and getting back my car lol.


if you dont believe and need proof !! warning !! there is one boobage pic in the end, because im showing my "legendary"unique loot, a tshirt missing its alpha channel wich made my chick bare all lol.
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nMvLr2SibLbCVyJDA

#RoadwarrioringAin'tEasy.

How's performance for you guys? Hearing horror stories (RTX 2080 Super on a 4K Monitor here)

Does it compare okay with other modern titles (Metro Exodus, Far Cry 5 etc.) or is it noticeable more demanding?

It runs surprising well on my close to minimum spec system except at times in really crowded areas.

Of course, I have the graphics set to minimum other than FOV set to 100 and 1360x768 resolution.

Anyway, at 80+ hours in, along with the usual complaints about lack of AI and depth, I really wish CDPR had stayed closer to the pen and paper game mechanics and noir vibe. It seems kind of a waste for them to have acquired the Pondsmith Cyberpunk IP and then reimagine so much of it.

I'm running a GTX970 @1080 on med settings but I think I could raise a few and maybe fine tune it a little. Still looks great on med.

I have some friends who have already put Cyberpunk down and went back to other games. "Window dressing" and "less immersive than GTA V" seem to be a common theme.

They're not right, are they?

I'd say not. Though I only watched, rather than played (so that changes things a little.. but.. ), I thought the gameplay (less a few bugs which look fixable) was enjoyable to watch, and was definitely fun for the streamer. The main story had its moments of sheer awesome, particularly towards the middle/late stage, and some of the 'major' side quests were top tier.

Activities in world varied from speed-bumps to fun, but you could certainly do fewer of them if they weren't your bag, or more of them to generate money and parts and to spend more time in the world.

I certainly will buy it post patching to play, and don't regret having spent the 60 ish hours to watch the two endings from the first life-path & ending course decision.

Best game EVAARRR? Nah. But right up among the more enjoyable ones to watch someone enjoying. Bug fixing will certainly help it if they can pull it off, and some mechanics looked weaker than they should be... (Police AI was obnoxious and needs some improvement to spawning logic and seeking behaviour to make it seem more 'organic' to the world. One major fight was spoilt by a pathing bug which 'jammed' a mobile enemy in place.. so yeah. Some fixes needed.)

Base consoles are a disaster though, and their inclusion probably wasted a lot of effort, and a compromise to routines that could have been more robust. They are offering refunds to any console owners who are dissatisfied so it could be worse. The "Pro" versions of the last gen are doing somewhat better, and next gen is reported as better than 'okay', on the base PS4/XB version (dedicated version to follow later).

It's been awhile since I played GTA V, but I don't remember it being particularly immersive and it was full of window dressing.

I don't know about that, but it definitely has less depth than Fallout 4.

Not sure if I could handle another playthrough, unless major content is added.

Uh oh.


Is it also less open and free than Fallout 4?

The only Bethesda game I have ever beaten is Morrowind, FYI, and I've played every single one, all the way back to Arena from the 90s.

Why is that? Did all of their other RPG's bore you eventually?

No, but there is a lot less depth, especially in regards to faction relationships, and there is nothing like Fallout's settlement building aspect.

Panzer:

Many of them had bad writing or the worlds felt stale and like props.

1) Arena - this was their first. I played it a lot, and for the time, was great, but ultimately the procedural world generation revealed its true colors and the game was not immersive anymore. This game came out a few years after Ultima 6 and 7, and the world building quality wasn't even a shadow of what they offered. The combat was fun, though.

2) Daggerfall - I played this one a lot, also, and was even better than Arena, but ultimately everything began to feel like props, and the quest repetition and do this/do that dissolved into tedium. Once again, Ultima 6 and 7 obliterated the game in world design and feeling alive.

3) Morrowind - Amazing writing! Wow! The worldbuilding was strong, here, and the game was exceptional. Every town had a theme, the books were good, the characters were mostly interesting(though there was some repetition, which we never saw in the Ultimas, where every single NPC was unique). I played through this game a second time in 2014 using the Morrowind Overhaul 3.0 mod pack.

4) Oblivion - pretty fun, put in a hundred hours, nice graphics and great combat. No longer was swinging a sword and blocking with a shield janky. Ultimately, though, the writing sucked, especially in the books, and the NPCs began to feel like cardboard.

5) Skyrim - lots of fun, but the writing was atrocious. So bad. Frankly, the books weren't ever worth reading. Might as well burned them all. The dragons were really cool, but being one shotted by enemies over and over got old. I have a rule - if an enemy can one shot me, I #%&*$# well better be able to do the same, otherwise the game is broken. I'd probably play again just because the game can be fun, despite the shortfalls. The NPCs felt more lively, however than Oblivion.

6) Fallout 3 - fun time, pretty good writing and world building, but for some reason I never beat the game once I joined some big faction that had a metal fortress on one side of the Potomac.

7) Fallout New Vegas - fun, nearly impossible combat without using VATS which was a huge turnoff. Enemies would never miss and one or two shot me, which was ridiculous. I ran mods, the game could be immersive, but ultimately because I was playing when my wife first became disabled, the whole experienced proved far too depressing and I put it down after probably a hundred or so hours in.

8) Fallout 4 - I don't know what the main story was about. I just set forth into the world and wandered for hours upon hours. I had plenty of fun, but also was playing during my wife's illness and some nonsense I was dealing with in my life.


Once one has played Ultima 6 and 7, and Underworld 1 and 2, every single RPG you play, forevermore, will be judged versus these games. There's simply no way to put into words as to why they are the best of the best, 30 or so years later. I'm not wearing rose colored glasses, either, as I played through Underworld 1 and Ultima 7 again, probably four or so years ago. The closest in quality to them a game has come would be Arx Fatalis.

My standards are probably too high.

Thanks for that post Blastman. It was a good read.

GARBAGE, i running low and med at 1440p to get around 34 to 42 fps and this is after editing the config file.
only 1080p runs the game well over 60 but it looks garbage, im sure they shiped the wrong version on pc adn there is some presets to lower quality of assets at 1080p.....
billboards becomes a unreadable at 1080p at distance where it is not at 1440p,less pixel doesnt do that to a image.

Speaking of Fallout, I sure hope Bethesda is taking notes on how to create some impressive looking wasteland and ruins scenery.

It looks quite good to me in Fallout 76. This game is almost recognizable from what it was on release day.

the problem is their overselled and cut a bunch of content, world building, the archteture is great, very cyberpunk, the pedestrians AI is what ruins it. Combat is very weak because its strictly tied to AI. i wouldnt say less immersive than GTA since GTA outside of minigames is not immersive, it is less dynamic and reactive than gta...in fact it is not reactive at all, from drivers to pedestrians....hell the police teleport all the imperial troops from the death star if you bump into a pedestrian near them, but a gang fighting or attacking you ?guess its above their pay grade.
story seems good so far, and caracters are well done...but its not as interactive as they claimed.
if you are fine with just doing missions, its okay, if you expected something else.....there is nothing there for you, there is a ridiculous amount of stuff cut,problably to fit last gen, that end up ruined the scope and the experience. my major issue right ouf of the bat ? as soon as you step out of your apartment there are 4 major vendoers in your building...sellings consumable products that are in your inventory....except for you.......you cant buy those itens from them.....and from their animation and the level of detail on some props, you can just tell they were suposed to.

Cyberpunk's Badlands and Pacifica area kills anything seen in a Fallout game as far as eerie desolation goes.

The police being reluctant to engage the gangs issue can be partially explained by their being corrupt, and intimidated by them in some cases, that's Cyberpunk canon.

Other than that, you have to be careful about not pulling your weapon out outside of a combat situation, as well as engaging from too far away, depending on the circumstances. I've had only 2 or 3 fights where the cops bothered me, in my entire time playing so far.

I've now got nearly 15 hours in to the game. I'm having fun with it. I kinda like the combat. I've gotten in to some fun shootouts. The AI is not outstanding, but they put up a good fight. They use cover, throw grenades, use drones, hack, rush and dodge about. I have no problem with them being bullet sponges, and as I level up, my effectiveness improves as I'd expect. I started off thinking I'd go all stealth and cyber, but after a bit I found I was having enough fun with the gunplay to diverge off in to reflexes for the weapons perks. With rifles and SMGs both grouped together this felt like an efficient tree to climb. My build is sort of spread out at the mo, but having played a bit I can start to see how I'll enjoy playing and can start to focus a bit.

Chucky I have a Ryzen 2600, 1660Ti and 16 gigs. Runs well for me. As mentioned earlier I turned off a few things, like film grain and depth of field, but not sure how much effect it would have as far as performance. I did it more for the way it looks. My card is a Turing but it doesn't have some of the more advanced features like ray tracing. I turned FRAPS on to see what my framerate is but it didn't display for some reason. is there a built in counter? Whatever the number, it runs smoothly. If I had to guess I'd say I'm getting an average of around 50 fps. Quite smooth but at times I can tell it's not quite to the max. For such a modest box I'm happy with the way it runs for me. Matter of fact, the experience to this point has been almost trouble free. A few graphics glitches, but nothing else I've noticed.

I've done a little bit of most things. Some main story, some side missions, some gigs. Mostly though I've been playing neighborhood vigilante. Just walking around and taking down criminals and gang activity. It's sort of like GTA's gang attacks. Small groups of bad dudes that I can engage however I want, which pays pretty well, is good XP and street cred, and builds perk points fast. If my next main mission might be to meet Jackie 600m away or whatever, I'll just go there on foot and see what's around, getting in to gunfights along the way. Driving is really bad in the game. That's too bad, but a handling rework isn't out of the question I think. It's like driving on ice with a layer of sawdust over it lol. I'm using a controller and just cranked the sensitivity all the way down and the driving's not so bad this way, but it makes also looking around while in the car or on the bike way too slow as it's the same sensitivity setting. Pick your poison.

Not crazy about the loot system if I'm honest. You find a gun that does 65.8 DPS and the next battle a minute or three later, one that does 66.1 DPS and so it goes. As a result I am branching off in to tech too so I can use the crafting system, use the iconic weapons, and craft and upgrade weapons that will improve alongside me. Or that's the plan.

I feel vibes from a lot of other games in this one. After the early word I was worried about performance and bugs. After a handful of hours it's not that that's the issue. If there is one for me it's the fact that Cyberpunk turned out to be weakest with the thing I was hoping to be it's strength. And that's the interactivity of the world. I'm having enough of a good time with the game so far that doesn't bother me all that much. The set pieces are fun for me so far, the characters are interesting, the dialog is cool and the setting has a great vibe to it. I expected more yes, but there's enough of a good game here for me to have a lot of fun with it.

The driving experience depends heavily on the vehicle, some are decent, some are extremely challenging to control.

There's a car chase mission where you're forced to pursue in one of the latter and its frustrating as hell!

I wish the mini map wasn't zoomed in so much so that you could anticipate the turns a bit, having the option to see your navigation lines outside of the map would help a lot also.

This kind of stuff drives me insane. I'm oldschool, in that a shotgun is a shotgun, a super shot gun is a super shotgun, a chaingun is a chaingun and a BFG is a BFG. They are all created equal in their class, no more, no less.

In case any of you are curious, the Steam Charts website currently shows these activity stats for Cyberpunk:

Playing an hour ago: 589,171 accounts

24 hour peak: 728,050 accounts

All time peak: 830,387 accounts

Turns out there's a config file that caps your GPUs RAM to what an XBOX or PS would have. I won't be able to test it myself until tonight, but here's the instructions:

Step 1 = Locate your game's main folder
On steam right click on the game and click on properties then go to the Local Files tab and click on Broswe Local Files

Step 2 = If you are in the main game's Folder you should to see REDpreLauncher.exe
locate the "Engine" Folder then "Config" and open "memory_pool_budgets.csv" via notepad or wordpad

Step 3 = Adjust Poolcpu's ammount Based on "Your maximum ram - 4 GB" then Adjust the PoolGPU's Ammount based on your Maximum Vram Amount.

Example of adjusted File based on 16GB of ram and GTX 1080 = https://imgur.com/a/PfY4h2l

Vram of Various Graphic Cards
RTX 2080 8GB
RTX 2070 8GB
Amd Radeon VII 16GB
RTX 3080 10GB
and so on

As for driving one of the best cars to get around in is the Maimai P126 (little smart car looking thing). It's a bit slippery, but the short wheel base and small size lets you get around the city easily. It's certainly not fast, but because it can zig and weave through traffic so well it works better than any other car. A couple of the motorcycles are good for this as well.
I agree with Crane on that minimap, it's so zoomed in that in high speed you cannot see your upcoming turn until you're at it.

already did that for me didnt improve magically like some users, maybe because i also edited another file to increase ram pool for objects, this made cars stop vanishing for me. all i got from that ram thing was a more stable use of gpu, as i didnt need to use dynamic res to get the same frames and faster loading times, it now takes 2 seconds to boot a save.
best car for me in performance and handlings is one that looks like a old sport car or rally car.

So really, the bottom line is that we should expect multiple more patches for this game before all or at least most of the major issues are resolved.

I almost never buy games on release, anyways, save for From Software's games--the Dark Souls series. Theirs I know will be high quality and wonderful. Most other firms... nah. Every CD Projekt game I have I got a year after release, save for Witcher One... which I ultimately waited a year after release to finally play through with the enhanced edition.

bottom line is they are in VACAY now, so expect only serious development in mid late january......what im expecting is an actual pc version for pc.

Just like the Witcher games, CDPR eventually makes good games but they launch riddled with bugs. I'm not sure why or how the whole of the internet suddenly expected it to be different this time around.

I'm just lucky that I haven't seen as many of those bugs as most other people and went in with much lower expectations.
And as a joke on the Kingdom Come Deliverance reddit went last week talking about Cyberpunk 2077 being buggy on launch, "It's ok, I played KCD on launch day, I'm prepared."
The Star Citizen community has their own takes on these.
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So you're waiting for Cyberpunk 2078?

And even then, it would probably take another sequel after that before they can fully deliver on what was originally promised, I believe that's just the nature of the complex beasts that are open world RPGs.

I think the answer to this is certainly yes, but as I touched on in my last post, the issues have been largely missing from my experience. I don't doubt they are there, but as is usually the case, the majority of what is shouted about seems to have skipped my install. I'm lucky like that lol. The complaints aren't filtered by platform, and based on what I've seen in 20+ hours of playing Cyberpunk, I have to believe the lion's share are on console.

I have plenty of game left to go, but there is nothing I've seen so far that could be called a major issue. And the ones I've seen that are minor I could count on one hand.

Made it to Act 2 last night, and the Cyberpunk title screen popped for me around the fifteen-hour mark. But then again, that's how I roll, just taking my time and soaking it all in, having a bash about, or getting sidetracked. Even so I'm nearly half-way done with the main story path, so it's time to put that aside for a while and do more of the side missions I reckon. Aside from the opening prologue and one other mission to pay respects to a fallen friend, I've spent all of my time in Watson. So there's still most of the city to discover. I noticed that when I traveled to City Center and Heywood to go to that memorial that the points of interest were all 'very high danger', and the bad guys have the skull on their card. I had thought that enemies scale to the player, but it appears the various districts have their own difficulty scaling? After the service I took my new motorbike back to Watson and optional content that seems more on my level at this stage.

I'm having a good time with Cyberpunk, it was worth the pre-purchase punt.

You are *really* not half way through the main story if you just got out of the prologue. Depending on what difficulty you are playing you may also need to spend some time to generate money and streetcred to access the equipment and upgrades to get you through the harder encounters in the MQ. Once you have iconic items you can upgrade/enhance them potentially leaving behind the 'eclectic' collection of whatever stat is highest on the latest pool of random pick-ups, but these are partially locked behind streetcred and other barriers including skills and parts access.

Cohh hit the endings at 50-55 hours, with 10-11 to get to the opening title.

DBond,
Yes, different parts of the city have different difficulties. After a while when you go back to Watson many of the enemies are pushovers.
I don't know what the level cap is myself, but some of the complaints I've seen are that you don't have enough skill and attribute points for everything, so you really should specialize in a couple.

This is good game design in my opinion. It forces the player to really think about what they want their strengths to be and what weaknesses they are willing to put up with. It makes the player think about what compromise works best for them.

If you have enough skill and attribute points to be an ultimate bada$$ in every aspect then where's the challenge in that? You can just bulldoze everything in sight with no problem.

Yes, technically I'm one-third through based on number of main story missions, but that is 'nearly' half way right?

My playstyle is generating good street cred. The vigilante thing I mentioned is good for that.

And as mentioned, iconic weapons and upgrades/crafting is on my chart. I've found three iconics so far (all handguns). The bottlenecks for me are both tech level and materials. I have a pistol I really like, but as it's epic and not rare, I have to wait until I've invested 11 attribute points in the tree to get the perk to upgrade it. I can upgrade rare items, but that's a single early point. And with how precious the higher-tier mats are so far, I'm thinking it will be a while before I have enough to upgrade multiple weapons. Now that I'm a bit in to Act 2 I think that will start to correct itself and the higher-tier weapons and armor I find will break down in to higher-tier mats. Not in a rush, but I do want to get to the point where I can keep the iconic weapons up to date. So I'm focusing on tech at the mo to get there.

I prefer that too and I've noticed here if you try to be a jack of all trades you'll be terrible at everything. Or you can pick a play style and be very, very good at it. Allows for more replayability that; way. You just roll a totally different character and go through it again in a completely different style.

Exactly. You reminded me of the 90's era fantasy games where you could play as either a warlock, paladin or a thief. All three were very specialized and thus had major strengths and weaknesses and thus all three had radically different gaming styles.

That's what the Hero's Quest/Quest For Glory games were so great at doing.

Most of the time I find myself using an antimaterial rifle, a Crusher shotgun and a suppressed Overture revolver. With these I can defeat red skull enemies for great loot and lots of experience.

Vehicle wise, I tend to use either a Brennan Apollo motorcycle or a Quadra Type 66 Javelina, as befitting a nomad. The Javelina is one of the fastest vehicles in the game, has AWD and is decently controllable and tough.

Cyberware wise, I think the double jump legs have been of the greatest benefit, they give you a lot of options.

btw i hope this doesnt screw me over but....dexter deshawn had a traffic acident when i met him and his car rammed a road block concrete.....i did a few missions and gigs and he is still there lol.

Double jump legs are great. I did break a mission with those. I was supposed to steal documents in a penthouse of a high rise. The game was expecting me to go in the ground level and up the elevator. What I did was go a block down the street and worked my way up from vendor stalls nearby buildings and climbing on their ACs and antennae worked my way to the next higher buildings until I found my self atop an antenna tower of the neighboring building. From there I could barely reach a balcony about a floor down from the roof and from there got to the top and worked my way down. The quest markers and updates broke because I stole the documents right away, but it wanted me to enter the elevator at ground level before it would accept that I stole the objective.
I've found other crazy ways around the map with them and it makes traversing the map more fun.

I'm running in a strength build so it's Hammers and shotguns all the way. Also an MG to go full ham once and a while.. I do keep a hard hitting revolver in case i have to hit something at range. Don't use it much though. Probably not the best way to min/max a character, but I'm having fun.
I tried using a Thorton Colby "Little Mule" as a nomad vehicle and don't like it much. Handling is OK and it's top speed is ok, but it's big and you need about 2km of straight road to get it up to speed. Works better offroad than in the city.

I wasn't sure where to go with my build coming in. My thoughts at first were to go stealth and cyber. Sneak around, use tech to overcome the enemies and environment. But at this point I'm a tech gunner, using rifles and SMGs mostly, backed by handguns and grenades. I took all attributes to base 6 for the low level perks, and now am focusing on reflexes and tech. I agree you don't want to be too spread out, but I think that makes a solid base so you can get most of the entry-level perks even if they aren't in your specialized trees. Things like faster crouched speed, additional carry capacity, regeneration and the like will benefit any build I reckon. A base of 5 would do the same thing and leave more points to climb other trees.

I think it's good to identify a couple trees to take to level 20 to focus your build, but not to neglect the others as there are useful abilities in all of them.

If I hated the combat I would have gone a different route, and if I were to play again I will. But for this first run, a gun for hire feels good.

I like reading about which perks and items you guys find good, so hope to read more of this stuff.

im enjoying parkouring too........sometimes i realize i took the most risk pattern only to find i could had acess via a stairs on the other side lol.......but it makes infiltration warehouses really fun, i batman jumped some guy from the rooftop window

Cyberpunk 2077 is having most of its problems on last generation XBox and Playstation.

In a nutshell, XBox owners are being given refunds by Microsoft. Playstation owners are being refused by Sony.

So, CD Projekt Red is said to be figuring out a way to give Playstation owners refunds -- but, they will not be fast in coming.

To all the Cyberpunk haters out there, I'd argue that Cyberpunk 2077 is the most immersive game out there. Think about it, CDPR and games journalists over sold some stuff, made a few fibs, cut some content, it's buggy and now you feel screwed over by a corpo. If that's not the most cyberpunk thing ever, I don't know what is.

when you buy a ps game you have to agree to their terms of no refund if you downloaded the game already,so nothing new there.


Those of you who are enjoying parkour.... i give you a challenge......DO BETTER !

Full album of the view from up there,also got into the rails of the train but they have invisble walls, im gonig to try to hijack the train when it comes, https://photos.app.goo.gl/9vFYtWfzWRnWtPia7

FWIW: I'll be buying it -- after I get my new GPU in two or three months. My particular posts are "informational" -- not "hate inspired"

found a way to the tram tracks even surfed one https://photos.app.goo.gl/EBgH65dREiGuXE3J8

Haha well played

Errata: I said I need to invest 11 points to get the Grease Monkey perk, but it's actually 12. Of course you start with points in tech already so not technically investing 12 points but you know what I mean. It also turns out I'm still at 5 for body and intelligence, not 6 like I said I was. I guess I'm enjoying myself a little too much and memory becomes hazy by the end of the play session if you know what I mean lol. Next day things are more clear and I can correct the wrong stuff I say in the forum.

As mentioned, I'm leveling in to Reflexes and Tech,and Assault perks for rifles and SMGs. The idea to use iconic weapons and keep them upgraded. But all I've found so far are handguns (four), figures. Has anyone found an iconic AR or SMG? If you recall where you got it put it in spoilers please.

Sniper rifles are also covered by Assault it seems, so this tree covers three different weapon types.

So far the iconic weapons I've found are, a Katana, a club, knife, 3 pistols, a precision rifle, sniper rifle and an SMG. The SMG is the "Problem Solver". It's in the badlands during a mission.

I just cracked 100 hours and am swimming in iconics that I obtained through jobs and crime in progress encounters, although I have hardly used an assault rifle or SMG since Act 1.

What weapons are you focused on?

I've not found a single iconic AR or SMG, but several pistols. I already said this. Can you leave me a good AR? Just give it to my girl Claire down at Afterlife and I'll pick it up later, thanks!

100 hours? Good lord, that's almost 15 hours a day since release. You like this game I think I'm at 25 hours, level 10ish, and 12 for street cred.

I might have 100 too except I have to work, dammit.

I go sniper, shotgun, revolver and blunt.

I'm sick so I have nothing better to do, plus this is the first game I've really played since Fallout 4 came out 5 years ago.

One place where I found decent rifles was the Arisaka Estate in North Oak, however you need a means of getting over the wall and the guards will probably be tough at your level. The good news is that the estate is huge for the modest number of guards, so you might be able to choke a couple out without them noticing you.

OK thanks. Yes, I've gotten a lot of practice with that. I played through the entire Heist mission undetected. Choked out every guard. Had to reload a few times to do it. Dodging out of sneak stance is an issue for me at the mo. I thought I might get a hidden achievement for remaining undetected and with no killing through that mission, but nope.

Hope you feel better soon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kfopf2/savage_reaction_from_the_bbc/

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55359568

not looking good for them, following playstation microsoft also is now offering full refund for the game, but unlike sony they have as of now, not delisted the game from their store

I have to say that while the game is reasonably fun, I doubt I could tolerate another playthrough with a different lifepath before major fixes and DLC content are on the table.

And as much fun as I'm having with it on PC, I doubt I could tolerate a single playthrough on a console.

i would wait more than patches, from what i hear, it doesnt really affect the playthrough other than extra dialogues, late game really gates your responses.

Presumably, CD Projekt Red will make the fixes; and, people who buy 6 months from now will be happy with it. Many are happy now.

According to my reading (not my experience) lot of games start this way -- and are fixed. I had not realized how many because I usually buy them months after release on Steam sale.

I'm having a great time with this game. It sucks for console players that it doesn't run well for them, and if they are getting refunds then no harm, no foul in the end. But this is a cutting edge game in 2020 being run on hardware from 2013. I can't imagine Cyberpunk running on the PC I was using 7 years ago. It's unfortunate, but not entirely unexpected really. Even with those lost sales I reckon CDPR will come out on top and maybe they'll even be able to get it going well on console.

On my PC the game runs well. A few bugs I've noticed but all minor. It's been stable with zero crashes. My good experience doesn't negate the bad experience of others, but it would be easy to steer clear of the game based on the noise, and I'm just highlighting this is not the case for everyone. My box is pretty modest and the game runs fine. It could have turned out differently, but I'm happy to have gone pre-purchase and played the game from launch. Cyberpunk needs some attention no doubt, but it's perfectly playable -- and fun -- for me.

the problem is not bugs, they are just the most visible, this we can expect fix.....the problem is the game is not even 20 % of what they promised........ and you cant even blame pandemic.......the devs crunched a lot, and after promise of no more crunch, they had to crunch again in the last months........they claimed the game was gold 3 months ago, and this is what they consider playable ?
they certainly were banking on people moving to next gen before and then had to backtrack to suport last gen fully.
but core mechanics are not there,and neither is customization, they said we could be who we want, but we had 3 life style, no bodyt slider, we cant change how we look, like the arm prostetic, legs, eyes......the game even mention neon haird but that is not available in CC much less in the game. why npc have cooler prosthetics than the freaking player ?

Every lie in marketing so far

Every glimpse I got of this game just reinforced what I already knew: it's all down to marketing. Turn down the volume and just watch the presentation itself without any commentary and ask yourself: "Is this groundbreaking?" The answer is invariably "no". Marketing is the most expensive part of most ventures these days, especially entertainment. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 cost 50 million to develop and 200 million to market... let that sink in. Imagine how good the game could have been if those budgets were reversed. Or how much cheaper games would be if marketing wasn't such a racket. Especially when you consider that marketing firms pretty much use you to push a social agenda rather than market your product. It gives me mob vibes.

Cyberpunk just looked like a generic shooter that may be good or may be bad. I'll play it eventually, but never hop on the hype train. I do the same thing with every shooter: Ignore it, wait 5 years, and play it fully patched and bug-free with a texture mod on a system that doesn't even break a sweat. I did this with pretty much every shooter since Fallout 3. Not only do I feel like slightly less of a herd animal, it's kind of fun in a retro way. This isn't so much of a plan as a natural thing. I generally avoid things that are hyped. Eventually curiosity gets the better of me and I'll check it out in peace and quiet. Some of the games I finally got around to playing to completion in the past 2 years: Crysis, BioShock Remastered, Metro 2033. Let me tell you it felt surreal playing through Crysis for the first time in 2019, it having been a part of the culture for so long. I liked the first half, but the rest just felt tacked on. Metro was alright but a bit Blockbuster-ish for my liking, I much prefer STALKER. BioShock was excellent though!

This is why I generally ignore all previews and marketing hype for games.

I think its clear by now that "don't butcher your cutting edge title in the hopes of making it workable with ancient consoles" is right up there with "don't get into a land war in Asia".

Its possible that they may restore a lot of the cut content {at least for PC and newest consoles} now that they have more time to actually finish the game, but regardless CDPR has damaged its reputation.

I also feel like they would have been much better off sticking closer to the PNP RPG mechanics instead of going with the supernatural physics of a typical fantasy RPG.

Meh. There isn't much of any substance in the list of pre-release changes IMO. Certainly not enough to make your claim that 80% of the game is missing to be anything other than rampant hyperbole.

There is a metric #%&*$# of content in the game, most of which is of high to very high quality, with a fairly thin layer of glitches and minor bugs detracting from the solid core of the game.

Consoles are certainly a problem, and with the ambitious scope of the game, even as finally implemented I can't see them being practical for this type of game. The Marketing 'pretending' that consoles would be more than usable, and then preventing proper review and reporting of the actual pre-release performance and problems is a bad mark for marketing.... but then advertisers and marketeers are not people I trust generally. I don't generally do pre-orders. It is better to make decisions once you have the full deets.

the story is good but you can see a lot was cut from it as well. side quests are basically the same stuff in different places, with a few ones with a narrative. it clearly looks like they changed the game at least twice in terms of narrative, some character talk stuff that seems to lead somewhere or that come from somewhere that you never get to know.
plus they anounced the life choice would impact the game and have a meaningfull intro quest..you are basically done in 10 to 15 minutes, and if you choose corpo you just talk to 2 guys and that is it not even a quest. the game certainly would be a game changer if they did what they advertised 1 year ago. now it is and will always be just a generic rpg shooter.

I stopped paying to be a beta tester over a decade ago, and not just with gaming. "Never Buy Version 1.0 of Anything" is my creed, and it's both saved me a lot of frustration AND given me the rewards of good products after OTHER people volunteered to be guinea pigs.

Lawsuits - plural:



The outcomes will be interesting. At least, it puts game developers thinking of a too-early (flawed) release "on notice".

I bailed and got a refund from Steam. Just not for me, should have known really as I hated GTA. Oh well.

Yeah, pretty much what Lieste said.

I just a second ago heard it described as "Deus Ex on steriods", and had previously been thinking of it as very much like a futuristic "Mafia on steroids"... neither of which is describing 20% of "a game". Maybe it doesn't match some media fantasy and the myth you built in your imagination... but neither does the state of the game (on a machine able to run it) match the myth you are creating today.

Yup. The consoles' performances got this started -- not the PCs.

I read that Consoles were over 40 percent of 8 million pre-orders and PCs the rest (don't know how accurate that is). Mostly older consoles. If so, a possible couple million older console users could add up to a couple million unhappy campers -- possibly over $150,000,000 worth -- a significant number.

This is sad and good to hear. I can only tolerate GTA for so long, before I grow bored.

I dislike mission structure in open world games. I do not want to be told what to do next, and I especially don't want to have to refer to a map that tells me where to go to get my next mission, or have to wait until my next mission appears. I long for the days of Ultima where there were no notes, there were no quest markers, there were no directed destinations. We had to figure everything out by dialogue with every single NPC in the realm, and figuring out what the right questions were to ask, while exploring and adventuring an discovering at our own pace.

I enjoy games that require the use of my mind, not my clicking finger.

Current gaming is mostly geared towards Millennials, enough said...

Mind you, things like pathing and map indicators certainly make sense in the Cyberpunk context.

Anyway, patch 1.05 fixed some stuff, at this rate the game should run cleanly by 1.20 or so!

I'm also noticing a lot more vehicle traffic in some locations now, to the point where lane splitting with a motorcycle is almost a must if you want to bypass it quickly.

When I was playing The Witcher 3, I had the same problem I had with Skyrim, but slightly worse. I found that in the Witcher, I had this amazingly rendered world around me, but that all I was doing was following a quest marker and watching the mini-map. Literally just follow the arrow, do The Thing, then follow the next arrow.

Thankfully, unlike Skyrim, I was able to disable all that stuff right in the Witcher game. If I needed to go anywhere, I had to look at my map & figure out where it was & how to get there. If I wanted to try a shortcut through an orchard, I had to look deep into the orchard to see if there were any creatures in there rather than look at my mini-map radar. I had to make more risky decisions based on what I could see in the actual 3D rendered world. I enjoyed it much more after that. I had to do the same thing for Skyrim, except that had to be done with mods. In Skyrim, once I had done all that I started to notice all these little paths that go all over the place. Following them always led to finding something interesting to do. With those horrible quest markers & "points of interest" markers, I would likely not even have noticed them. But they are there, someone made them to be discovered & followed.

Does Cyberpunk 2077 have the same abilities?

It does... but you probably want the HUD 'in world' point marker... even if you disable the mini-map path. You'll get lost a lot, turned around a lot, but it is workable, and reasonable since you get a 'go here' with most quests and are tech'ed to the gills.

It would be unpossible to play with no aids on though IMO, and actually intending to get anything specific done, as the world is too complex and the directions not spelled out. YMMV on that though.

Savage.

lol the hotfix to prevent dum dum to follow you in the game broke a quest where he is suposed to open a door for you so the area is now inacessible. and from what people say this quest is necessary to unlock one of the endings.

Speaking of endings (and I won't go into details), this game has some harsh ones.

Quick question. Have most of these bugs been happening only on the consoles or also on the PC version? I'm asking because I've not run into any of these issues so far in my playthrough.

From my reading, the prime issue is Consoles. But, that's about 40 percent of sales -- 3.2 million buyers.

Got it. So for me personally not a big deal but for Red Projekt it's a huge one.

I've not noticed any of those on the PC either. The bugs anyways. Some of the other issues like crouch and skip dialog being the same button still happen on PC.

those spawning stuff and low poly are mostly consoles, although with the latest patch im getting more vehicles poping in and low ppoly to full render cars now........this didnt happen after i fiddled with the file they said change nothing but were quickly to remove........
what almost always happens is you run over ped and they get stuck into the wheel making your car flip over.....that is garanteed.

Cyberpunk isn't really the game I thought it would be. But I'm thinking, so what? Is it fun? If it's not just move on. If it fails to live up to your expectations, or promises, or potential or hype, play something else. Come back later, get a refund, or put it on the shelf alongside all of other games you bought that you didn't like. I'm not speaking to anyone in particular, but to all the drama that has arisen from this release. Sucks that it didn't work out on consoles. That was bound to catch up at some point, wasn't it?

On PC it's OK. I've now dropped 50 hours in to the game and have at least dipped my toes in to just about everything Cyberpunk has to offer. I've had some bugs, but still nothing major. Things like getting stuck in scanner mode and can't get out until a reload. Graphics glitches like disappearing and appearing cars and NPCs. It's there if you look for it. Minor stuff. The worst I've seen so far was during a mission. I was tasked with watching a braindance during which you use edit mode to scan the scene for clues. Two of the three clues were easily done, but the third just wasn't there. Turns out it was an object on the floor, but it only appeared for about two seconds through the minutes-long scene. I only found it by going very slowly through fast forward and rewind, and then paused it when it popped to scan it. For all but two or three seconds it would be impossible to find when the object should be sitting undisturbed on the ground from start to finish. It would be very easy to miss and have progress halted in this case.

From my point of view, whatever bugs exist on PC are minor or I have yet to encounter them. There have already been several patches and hotfixes, the most recent being version 1.05 two days ago. More will follow and it will only get better.

I don't really know what to say about those who feel wronged with promised or announced features that aren't in the release. Yeah I get it, and I followed the development of Cyberpunk closely too. Some aspects are clearly not what I expected. Partly that due to my own imagination and wishes. Partly it's due to CDPR's marketing. But the bottom line for me is to judge it on what it is. Why drive yourself nuts lamenting what it's not? And then too, what will it become? I haven't seen anything about planned DLC or expansions, but maybe the right move is to come back after a spell and see what the game has become six months or a year down the line. I'm having a good time with it, despite the flaws.

A few thoughts on what I like about Cyberpunk and a few things I don't

The Good

-- Story and Side Jobs. The structured missions are my favorite part of the game. The characters, the situations, the action is all a lot of fun and very well done in my view. When a game like this is perhaps lacking in the sandbox elements, it's redeeming that the scripted stuff is so good.

-- Characters. The voice acting is uniformly top notch. The characters are convincing in ways other games are not. The facial expressions might be the best I've seen, the way they convey emotion, the realistic way they move and sit around, lean against something or sit back on a couch. Again, it's all very convincing and sets the tone. This sort of detail does not extend to the free-roam, where things are much more simple and less satisfying. But for the missions, where CDPR paid attention and fine tuned it, the results are excellent for me.

-- Combat. Having a good time with the gun play. Shootouts are fun, and I like fighting the battles with a mix of firearms and cyber attacks. It's sort of tedious right at the beginning of the game, as you have few abilities and weak weapons, and it's mainly a matter of shooting your target a lot of times until it dies the death of a thousand paper cuts. But as you develop your main, filling out perks and abilities it opens up and combat is more brutal and decisive. I'm specced in to a lot of trees, but primarily Assault, Crafting, Engineering and the stealth one that isn't Cold Blood. Using tech weapons which synergize with the build, and grenades. Using weapons that are supported by the perks you pick makes your power ramp up steeply.

-- Cover System. I'm specced into Assault, which gives a number of bonuses when firing from cover. And the cover system works beautifully. You can freely move into and out of it, never getting stuck in any way like others games nor needing to hit any key to enter. And the best part is that it's sort of dynamic. For example if you're behind a crate with your gun leveled your head an body are positioned at the right level. But if you want to aim lower, your body rises up in proportion, giving it a flexibility unlike many games where there's a lower limit and to look lower requires you to break cover and stand. When aiming down the sights and peeking around the corner, the character leans just right. It really does work great. I often ignore cover systems in games, just using objects as shields, but not entering the cover stance. In Cyberpunk though I look to get there, as it's smooth, natural and effective.

-- Night City. It's an impressive world they've built. It's big and diverse. It's no secret by now that how it is fleshed out is perhaps less than what was expected, but from a structural, aesthetic and design perspective it's impressive indeed.

The Bad

-- Vehicles. We all expected more I think. The unrealized customization features remove any real desire for me to spend much time with the vehicles. Instead of lording over a collection of cool cars and bikes, personalizing them and delighting in selecting the next one to drive, they are really nothing more than a tool to get from A to B. Add to this the terrible (in my opinion) handling physics and it all leaves me rather disappointed. I know there are better cars than I've tried, but a this point I have no real desire to find out, and haven't purchased a single vehicle. I have Vs starting car which I never drive, and two motorcycles which get used a lot to get around the map. The driving isn't fun and the sensation of speed is all wrong. The speedometer says I'm doing 130 MPH but it looks like 55. This is one area I'd like to see revisted, expanded and reworked.

-- Weapons customization and crafting. Again, I at least, expected more. It's all too simple, with few options and a small degree of difference between the ones there are. The loot system is reminiscent of Borderlands, with what you find varying in incremental amounts of damage. The game I was playing before Cyberpunk was BL 3 and early on I decided to ignore this loot system and focus on crafting/engineering so I can use a few core weapons throughout the run by keeping them upgraded and on-level. It works OK, by gathering crafting materials I can continually upgrade these guns, but the effects of this crafting and upgrades are minor and there's no real way to personalize it. I can't make it fire faster, or change the elemental type, increase mag size or lighten it. It's just a cycle of breakdown weapons for parts>spend parts on a one-point damage increase>breakdown more parts> another point of damage, ya know? It becomes exactly the same weapon, it just hits a little harder. It means I am not playing the game chasing the next weapon like in Borderlands, which is good. But it also fails to impart that sort of attachment to my weapons that a true customization layer would give me.

-- Clothing. Purely subjective, but at no point yet have I looked cool. For me, this is the best thing about Cyberpunk being a fist person game lol. I don't have to constantly be reminded how ridiculous I look. I'm not sharp with Cyberpunk lore, but the way the loot system and armor ratings work means in order to have a good rating, the outfits I piece together are garish at minimum. Too bad, because having a cool looking character is a big plus. Another player will love the choices so not saying this is bad per se, just for me. I'd much prefer a system where you choose whichever clothes you like, and protection comes though purchases or finds of modifications or skill tree upgrades. I want my V to be stylish, not look like a circus clown at his first paint ball match or something. You only ever see V in the inventory or mirrors anyway, but still.

I'm 50+ hours in, level 20, street cred 37. So far the experience has been quite smooth. The game is fun, especially when I focus on the crafted missions. Free-roam is fine, and is great for leveling up. But it's also sort of repetitive. Within hours of starting I had already moved on from what I thought or wanted Cyberpunk to be and just took it at face value. And from that viewpoint I think it's a good game.

Clothing... a simple solution would be to take two pieces of clothing to a street vendor and apply the visuals of one to the stats of the other. It gives the vendors more purpose, allows for the 'hodge podge of immediately useful stats', along with the deliberate application of style, at a delay.


This seems far better to me than some of the other suggestions (e.g. applying a clothing item as a visual and another as a stats 'live' in the inventory, in that you have a cash sink.


Appearance changes should also be available from the ripper doc. No reason you can't change tatoos/piercings/eye colour if you are doing all the other mods.

Another note on the characters, the voice actors were great.

Try increasing your FOV, which usually works in other games, including flight sims for fixing this problem.

The game has been ok for me so far, I give it like a 6.5 out of 10, however I honestly had more fun with Fallout 4, which is something of a flawed work in its own right.

I guess when it comes down to it I was expecting a game that was as groundbreaking and impressive as Morrowind was in its day, not Boiling Point 2077.

The potential is there to do great things however if CDPR can keep the investors in check.

vehicle speed aint gonna change, if they didnt bother to make pc version better they arent going to touch it. base last gen dont have the power to stream assets that fast that is why it is so slow. remember they use 5400rpm drives.

Don't fill up your inventory:

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...ak-forever-if-you-collect-too-many-items

I've scrapped most of my items and set up a shortcut to my save files in order to keep an eye on the situation.

Currently none of my saves are over 5MB, but I may have been close to 8 MB before I decided to pare down my inventory.

Anyway, has anyone else who went as a nomad tried to return to the little town that they started the game in? I made some attempts to pass through the border checkpoint and failed miserably thanks to the 2 dozen skull indicated border guards. This is by far the toughest fight I've found in the game, I can manage to kill a handful and draw them out in a chase, or almost run through in a motorcycle, but eventually I gave up and will return when I've gained another 10 levels or so.

guards are no problem, its the auto turrets.

My build is relatively weak as I've purposely avoided min-max meta and overpowered items aside from the ridiculous purple fedora that grants a 30% increase to chance of a critical hit.

Oh, and anyone else hate the Tyger Claws? Aside from the Wraiths they're my least favorite gang.

why do you hate china so much man ? me, i just murder anything with a yellow bar above their health.

just had my first major bug lol, i came back from a mission and called jackie, i went to the bath and removed my clothes, suddenly i was hearing double, i thought it was a cool effect because i was in the bathroom, but as i exit, jackie is sat talking on my doorway, even lip synced to the video call.

They're more Japanese in flavor, and are an Arasaka puppet, plus they just seem to go out of their way to be in my way.

I'm about 5 hours into the game so far and I like what I see. It's still a learning process of course since the inventory layout and interface is very different from previous RPG's I've played. The game definitely has a Deus Ex vibe for me due to the proliferation of cybernetic/computerized implants that you see being used by many people in the Night City world.

That may be over $700 Million worth -- pushing towards $1 Billion in sales (provided the "bad press" does not "take hold").

13 million copies is a staggeringly impressive performance especially when you consider that more than half of those copies sold were for the PC version.

Auto turrets are usually easy to hack and disable. I'll try fighting through there tonight and see what I can come up with.

`Gamespot is now taking refunds and returning the game as defective.....ouch.
a jolly christmas to you grinches.
to the guy who told me the game doesnt look like 80% was cut, a ex dev on reddit said the current game is 1/3 to 1/4 of what was anounced and projected before mid 2019....so i was right.
what he said, and what is written on glassware goes with a rumor then by a suposed dev early this year that the game had a massive layoff and new people were brough in to finish it because it was cheaper this way under their labor laws.
not painting a good picture for the company......my guess.......they will fix what is possible and call it off...

game feels like it was piece toguether in a year because it really was.

I usually try to avoid judging things based on hearsay and rumor but if those ever do turn out to be confirmed then that is quite bad indeed.

With a Billion dollars worth of sales on the horizon, I was daydreaming that every member of the team would get a "record setting" bonus (what I would have done were I the Project Manager).

Now, we read the "main" team possibly lost their jobs? If so, not a good picture for CDPR to paint.

Also how is 'less than 1/5th' the same and proving you right when even your quote portraying doom and gloom only - only suggests that it is between 1/4th and 1/3rd...?

That is some bogus math, even if I accept that the game is missing 2/3rds of 'a game'. Which it clearly isn't.
There are some 'marketing hype' and 'window dressing' features which are missing, some core functions (police reaction) which are underdeveloped... but the 80 odd hours of content are more than obviously enjoyable to many, and the current, 'soon after release' condition is like "Mafia on Steroids" or "Deus Ex on Steroids", neither of which are a fundamental condemnation.

The previous record holder, Fallout 4, did 12 million upon release and over 13.5 million to date, although Bethesda didn't have the return fiasco and probably spent less on marketing and development than CDPR did.

I would imagine that Skyrim sold just as many copies or at least close to that number.

Skyrim seems to have had perhaps only 7 million launch sales, but will probably beat both of the above put together in total sales at 30 million to date.

Which launch for Skyrim? What if we add them all up?

hotfix 1.06
PC-specific
Removed the 8 MB save file size limit. Note: this won’t fix save files corrupted before the update.





man.....they really just shoved a console version to pc with rtx plastered over it,also CDPR removed all Open World RPG tags on their night city wire and youtube videos...Swapped to Action Adventure. LOL

"About the game:
Cyberpunk 2077 is an open-world, action-adventure story set in Night City,"

They were so adamant this was an rpg before not an action game........they are just covering their base legally.......this is a freaking scam, and now some people found there may have been illegal insider info trade happening before release.

this bug is awesome lol https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kj4758/driving_around_when_all_of_a_sudden/

This infernal song is by now firmly stuck in my head.



Speaking of Pain, I wouldn't want to be in CDPR management's shoes right now.

And now they are getting sued left and right, up and down https://www.polygon.com/2020/12/24/22199252/cyberpunk-2077-cd-projekt-class-action-lawsuit-filed

oh no, my nudes.....the chinese party has them

Hmmm...why is the Epic launcher sending so much data? I'm glad I have Cyberpunk in Steam.

bitcoin mining, they hav to pay for the free games

That makes sense. Epic pays the developers for these "free games" to offer the subscribers so they have to make their money from SOMEWHERE. For the games you have to pay for I also know that Epic takes a significantly lower cut per copy compared to Steam so hence why you see more and more developers releasing their games on EPIC instead of Steam.

that is #%&*$#, its not that lower, only 10%, steam has already changed the cut with higher profiles ones, and the bigger cut for publisher was suposed to make games cheaper, that doesnt happen at all on epic store, sooooo.....im enjoying what ubisoft is doing, taking their money upfront and laughing their way to the bank,.

Thanks for that info. I was not aware that Steam had made changes to their percentage cut recently.

man this game is pathetic, GTA3 had better peds than this.

I’ve just passed the part after the big betrayal by you know who and I finally got to see what Keanu is all about. I’m enjoying this game quite a bit even though I have seen the deficiencies with the AI which some players have encountered.

I'd recommend getting Johnny in your head asap. He pops up in several side gigs and side missions. His commentary is often humorous in those.

Silverhand is interesting, but OTOH I believe that the decision to bring Keanu Reeves onboard was one of the main reasons that the game is such a mess overall.

From what I understand after speaking with a friend of mine, the issue with this game lies in the worldbuilding and lack of depth, especially in NPCs.

For those here who don't see anything wrong with Cyberpunk, I strongly urge you to play through the classic titles Ultima 6 and Ultima 7. Do this. Now.

You owe it to yourselves.

If you truly want to see what consistency and depth are, you can't miss these games. I realize they are decades old, but it is pretty sad when they are still used as benchmarks of what we should strive for in a proper RPG. They are fantastic.

What about people who have zero interest in the fantasy genre but who like playing RPG's?

I've played so many RPGs over the years I can't count them all, and sadly I must admit that as much as I prefer science fiction to any other genre, there hasn't been a single scifi RPG that has come close to Ultima level quality. Mass Effect 1 was decent, Sentinel Worlds 1 was pretty good, too, but neither had the worldbuilding that helped them feel as alive.

Scifi is pretty much neglected in the Computer RPG space.


Edit: I almost forgot about Fallout. Fallout 1 was pretty good, too. Still not quite as strong, however. In the Ultima games, every, single, NPC, is unique, with their own story and dialogue. I know this isn't a realistic expectation for a city with millions of bots milling about, but they could at least try to give it depth beyond flashy graphics.

I'd have been happy with even a Fallout or GTA level of AI for background NPCs.

I mean you can only expect so much considering Night City's outrageous population density compared to other open world games.

It's not really that kind of RPG. It's a shooter where you kinda make a character, there's a bit of a story, an area to run around in, and you make a few choices on specs/stats/skills.
Besides, in these dark ages we live in, that is a modern RPG anyway. Hail progress.

There's no doubt that the game was released with issues (especially on the console) but I think the unreasonably sky-high expectations from many gamers was also a factor contributing to the controversy. And I agree with wormfood that Cyberpunk 2077 is not the same kind of "traditional" RPG that the 90's era RPG's were.

Did you ever play Knights of the Old Republic?

I wish they had made a Pondsmith Cyberpunk RPG 15 or 20 years ago, before all kinds of negative gaming trends emerged, and before the Cyberpunk genre started dying.

No, I never have played through KOTOR. I have it installed, even, but it sits on my hard drive and collects dust.

I should, I really should, but it came out during that awkward 2D -> 3D transition era, of 1995 to 2004, where the majority of games looked like ass. I frankly felt that 2D was grossly superior to 3D in games, visually, until 2005ish when Oblivion was released--then things changed for the better, and 3D looked good. We had a lot of awesome 2D art in games prior to 1995, even the 16 color stuff in the late 80s was better than some of the ugliness we saw in the late 90s.

That's my excuse, at least, for not playing through KOTOR. I do have a huge texture pack installed, which helps. The longest I've been able to play it, so far, is the first hour or so of the game.

I owe it to myself to give it another shot. Maybe after I beat Divinity Original Sin?

I mentioned KOTOR since you said you are a huge sci-fi fan and KOTOR is pretty much universally praised as a great RPG so I'm surprised you've only put one hour into it.

The blocky, empty graphics have always been a stumbling block. I really don't like most 3D games from that era, and feel they look worse than even stuff from 1989.

So I've now put about 25 hours in the game and I have enjoyed it but I have now definitely noticed a couple of technical issues:

1. In one of the story missions out in the Badlands where I had to get Hellman from the gas station, my female partner Judy was simply standing by her motorcycle during the entire duration of the gunfight. I even saw a couple of enemy soldiers attack her while she just stood there motionless leaning on her motorcycle. Once the gunfight was over and I grabbed Hellman and left the gas station, she then magically appeared with a group of her friends!

2. The AI traffic patterns and behavior in Night City needs to be improved. All the time I see stopped traffic for no valid reason and I'll see AI cars stuck on the side of the street or a corner.

3. This is not a bug but an observation I made about the Delamain corporate HQ. If it indeed is a fully automated company then why were there bathrooms and snack machines beyond the front lobby customer area?

4. The economics of Night City make no sense. So all food and drink is super expensive but yet I see people out in the street eating and drinking all the time. I also find it hilarious how you can have a gunfight between cops and criminals in one city block and people less than 100 feet away are acting as if nothing is happening.

What's the verdict a month after release?

Performance improved, major quests finished, or should I still wait?

I have it sitting in my GOG library, but I want to experience a somewhat polished game when I dig in...

If you have the time to devote to it now I would say to go ahead and install it and try it. Up to now I have had no serious issues like broken quests that can't be finished or crashes to desktop. It is not known right now when the next major update will be so you might be waiting a long time if you decide to hold off.

Thanks Panzer! I'll finish Horizon Zero Dawn soon, and then give this a go...

In my every-morning jaunt through the technical and gaming sites, I saw this new story regarding performance in older consoles:



Console performance is old news. But, it is still festering today. My purchase won't happen until I get my hands on an RX6800XT (or better) -- and after CP2077 PC version is working as originally intended.

Thanks for those explanations Crane. It makes sense now.

I got the game just before XMas and within ~2 weeks put in ~160h for my first run through the main story (lonely XMas vacation due to lockdown left me with nothing else to disturb me...)

Running it on a 3 years old PC (i7 7700K, OC'd 1080, 16GB SRAM, system and game running from M2 SSD). Running it on medium to high settings in 2K on a 4K monitor.
I had a few CTDs, usually after the game ran stable for many hours.

No major and esp. no real main quest troubles.
There are certainly some quirks like the mentioned traffic jams etc., interesting features that were cut between some press presentations and the release (like some body mods don't have features like scaling walls with blades, or opening doors with gorilla arms), ... I also suspect that at least for some side missions there might have been more planned.

Now the tricky question is, how much of that stuff will be really addressed in future updates.

Regarding replay value, when you put so much time into the first replay as I did, you will have seen a lot of it already, and many repetetive things way too often (like the hacking game). That doesn't mean that I have seen everything or done every gig and whatever else - by far not, but I am not sure how long I can take it to stumble upon something that I haven't seen yet.
You can take a different career start for a marginal change in the beginning, go for different skill builds (I went full Intelligence and fairly early I could quickhack "one-shot" most fixer gigs and police reports). I can't be sure as I didn't read up on it, but it seems that most of the fundamental decisions that will influence the final endings that you can get are also made at the end of the game. I had a 3-way choice, and within my pick another 2-way decision. I can imagine that one of the options in the 3-way choice is depending on completing a certain sidequest in a specific way.
I don't want to reload to try the other routes, but I am also not sure whether I want to go through the many repetitive actions and one-dimensional quests again and again to see all the different ending...

What I foresee is some big room for DLCs/expansions/spin-offs within Night City and beyond. The lore that they build up is huge and interesting. Despite some issues I had a lot of fun with it so far, and I foresee plenty more to come.

If I understand correctly, you are saying that the "prelude" part of the game isn't really that different between Corpo, Street Kid and Nomad?

My quick take is that the game is maybe 25% genius, and the rest is a cringey Polish joke, however that 25% is compelling enough to want to give them another chance as far as future content and sequels.

corpo you land from a plane into the slut bar, talk, talk go bad, start game
badlands, you fix your car, go to antena, find jack, go to customs,cheese, sorry i mean chase sequence, start game
street kid, you talk to bad man, bad man offer job (cant refuse),do job, meet jack, bad stuff,start game

nomad is the longest but not really. but is the one that makes most sense meeting jackie.

I played two starts, as Corpo and as Nomad.

After both you get the same or similar to make no difference cutscene covering the next months that establishes you as Merc Team with Jackie, and drops you at the mission to rescue the lady in the bathtub.
From there on it's all the same with the occasional special chat option depending on the start that you picked. While these obviously reflect your starting background, and I always tried to pick that option to continue, they don't really seem to alter the flow of the story.

Cyberpunk has been downgraded to the PS1. Grab it while you can.

I finished the game. Got 134 hours out of it, level 40. I went 20 in to reflexes and 20 in to tech. This was a good combo for me. Got a little more than half the achievements, but none of the ones requiring completion of all gigs and hustles. Either some gigs went undiscovered/triggered or I somehow failed some without realizing, maybe through expiration. It's funny but I fired a total of six revolver rounds in my run. During a mission I stepped out on to a balcony and a dude down below lobbed a grenade up at me. I swapped to a revolver and did it again. He lobbed another grenade and I fired from the hip, missing the first and exploding the grenade on the second and getting the gunslinger one. Later I used a revolver to fire four more rounds for gun fu. Those were the only two times I used a revolver.

I went with tech weapons for the most part, and was crafting them in the second half of the game. One of the perks allows tech weapons to bypass armor and that's pretty OP. The crafting overall was OK I guess. At least it made it so I could use the same weapons through most of the run.

I want to modify my comments earlier about the vehicles. Not as bad as I said. The models and artwork are really well done and there are some cool concepts. The engine sounds are great. I still didn't have fun driving in this game, but the vehicles themselves are pretty cool.

I romanced Panam and got the Star ending, and if you know the endings you know the basic path I chose, and if you don't then nothing is spoiled. Overall I liked cyberpunk. It wasn't the game I was hoping it would be. There are things I don't like, but I found enough there to keep me going through to the finish.

You guys were talking about life paths and I chose street kid. But as mentioned it really doesn't have an effect. A bit disappointing really. Why couldnt I start with more street cred or gain it faster? Get discounts in certain neighborhoods? Have a exclusive fence or access to certain weapons? It just means some optional dialog choices in the end. As a result it adds nothing to replayability aside from a different opening couple of hours. There's not enough left for me to give it another go, one and done. But maybe some DLC will see me return. I'm happy I played and finished cyberpunk, but I'm left wishing it was more than it was.

I keep smirking whenever I hear “Panam” because it reminds me of the long defunct Miami-based airline.

Uff DBond, knowing your opinions on W3 and DOSII, and having found myself usually feeling very similar, that's not too encouraging.

What did they actually fail to get right on this title, to make it a true gem?

Is the story too meh, is the world not built well, is the gameplay loop just average, or is it technical problems that kill the experience?

BTW, I wonder how much the drama around this release will delay the Witcher 3 DX12 version. I suppose it's the same engine and a lot of the same coders involved, and yet I'm really looking forward to a visual upgrade for that game.

Me too. I quit playing it and am waiting for the upgrade to come out before finishing it.

Same here, I have my first very early NG+ going (just arrived in Velen) and then stopped as I heard about the upgrade coming.

To me Cyberpunk feels like an alpha build, something that was very hurriedly finished in a makeshift fashion, with gameplay and features being "placeholder" level.

I think I'm going to be skipping this, I doubt they have the money to fix this game.

Good question, not sure if I can put my finger on it. It's a good game in my view and as I said earlier in the thread perhaps my expectations were unreasonable. As I am fond of saying I try to judge games by what they are, not what they aren't. But Cyberpunk crosses the line a bit, partly due to unrealized developer information, and partly due to the effect a long wait has on my imagination. I don't know. So many little ways I could see it improved. For example, how fleshed out the world is. I can't find a pick-up race anywhere. or a game of basketball. I can't go down to the pub to shoot pool or darts, or pinball. No shooting range, or skeet/trap. Can't catch a fish, or modify my vehicles. Nothing to do with my apartment or walk around my garage admiring my collection. All of this is what Cyberpunk isn't, which in a sense isn't a fair criticism. But it points at least at how little there is to do really aside from the scripted stuff. The scripted stuff by the way is very good on the whole, and for me carried Cyberpunk. GTA for example does a much better job with this world building stuff. As we've talked about, the fantastic Night City is really only a stage, where as soon as you outflank it, it's revealed to be a 2D prop, without depth.

But that's good enough. I feel I more than got my money's worth. My disappointment, if I should call it that, is rooted in what I hoped the game would be, which is on me. My math was too simple. The equation looked like this

(People who made Witcher 3) + (huge budget) x unlimited dev time = best game eva

This time it didn't quite work out that way. I keep thinking of other games I might compare it too. The one I keep coming back to is Mankind Divided. Not in a gameplay sense, but in where it falls in the hierarchy of RPGs. It's a good game by most accounts and delivers a good experience. But it wasn't the game I hoped it would be. It surely wasn't a far better Deus Ex with a bigger budget and the benefit of time and technology. It was just a good game. It didn't take perhaps the greatest RPG to date and shift the paradigm. It was just a good game. Like Cyberpunk.

Well the good news I guess is that it seemingly wouldn't a whole lot of improvement to massively improve the experience.

The addition of something actually resembling AI, better police mechanics and a faction system alone would make a world of difference.

most of the team that made witcher 3 left cyberpunk last year......this is anthem all over again, if i had followed news closer to this game i would never had purchased it.
i immensely regret, i was between this and valhalla, but i caved for my ghost in the shell similitude cravings......honestly had they not lied.....it would had been not bad. i was not expecting so much like some people, but they flat out lied about a bunch of stuff that didnt make into the game, there is a whole compilation on reddit........also everyone talks about console as if pc port is pretty great.....its a unoptmized mess......the difference is that it is playable mess....guess that makes it okay to release it.

Many thanks DBond and Crane Hunter, I think I'm getting a better picture now.

It seems pretty clear (and the Devs stated as much, IIRC) that they were afraid of doing another "too long" game like W3 with "too much side content" and so from what I gather from a lot of what people write, this is more a "go there and do this" game than the crazy living world from W3.

I'll wait for some 1.07 version to hit GOG and then make the download.

I think saying it feels like an alpha build is not accurate and even saying it's a beta build would be unfair in my opinion. I can only speak for the PC version but Cyberpunk is really no different from several previous games I've played where the game works just fine 90% of the time and it is simply a case of requiring multiple patches. How many updates have there been for all of the Bethesda RPG's? A lot.

Stability and glitches weren't too bad for me even though I played right from release, but so much of the content just feels badly unfinished,

You can use gorilla arms to open doors, well, only some and there's a strength requirement still. You can also tear off turrets if you have the strength for it.
As for stability, I've got about ~150 hours and only crashed once.

I also tried fighting my way out of the customs checkpoint at max level. They still cut me down. I'll remote hack and disable the turrets. I've tried bolting through on a motorcycle, but there's a barrier on the other side that will throw you off the bike.

Yes, you can, but that's the misleading part about their description - you can pry open certain doors with the respective strength requirement also without gorilla arms - it's really just a strength check. If you read the (in-game) gorilla arms description, it might make you think that they boost your strength to overcome that requirement, but they really don't. You have your current strength, and you can open all the same doors with or without gorilla arms.

Link to Full Statement Video and Transcript

So really, in retrospect, the game should have only been released on PC and the new generation of consoles.

Yes. That would have "solved everything". I can see how they got "sucked in". But, as managers, they can't use that excuse. They just "blew it" on this one.

Let me be the one to say, on behalf of many:


KURWA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously, how do you get tripped up by such easily preventable problems?

Not going to give any spoilers but I find it both amusing and a challenge how the female story characters like Panam and Judy play very hard to get when you try to romance them.

Panam made for a great narrative I think, I liked that whole story line, and as I read later evidently it's easy to lock this romance option out with dialog choices. I guess I made the right ones. Tank love

Judy, well let's just say she prefers her own.

Claire I got wrong. At first I was all like OK baby. Later I was like, yeah, just back away.

My V was traditional male lol.

And if you do RIver's missions after awhile it seems like he's romancing you.

River was a cool enough dude, but when he



Not sure how that may have affected my ending, but I had to draw the line, even if it was just hanging out.

Ugh, really, they subject the player to that?

Well, he's a romance option if you roll that way. I did not roll that way.

I rolled by following Panam around for the view

Panam is the kind of wench I'd tumble in real life, but unfortunately it was a no-go with my female V.

What makes particularly weird is neither my V or RIver roll that way.

Panam is the best option no matter what.

I remember it too

I'm getting less and less inclined to even start the game...

Witcher3, lots of hot chicks, lots of cutscenes.

So now, only one chick possible for a male player character, one cutscene?

For the love of god, I don't want CDPR turn into Bioware...

Same here. As soon as I heard the big reveal my virtual um.."member" took a complete nose dive.

Okay, reading up that story, they have turned into Bioware...

I'm still somewhat in the doghouse with my real life girlfriend almost 2 weeks after she walked in just as I was playing the Johnny Silverhand flashback where he nails Alt Cunningham backstage.

Terrible timing and I had no idea it would go there.

As previously mentioned, I always play a female (not available in every RPG). In pregame, I make her look like my wife (when young) and I give her a name based on my wife's. I play the Guardian Spirit that follows her exploits.

My wife likes to look over my shoulder occasionally -- and I'm not worried

You can tell the game was made primarily for an American audience because on a scale from 1 to 10 the violence/gore level is at 10 but the sex/nudity level is like at 4.

With a beautiful daughter of my own, I'm okay with the sex and nudity being kept to a minimum. I don't want her growing up thinking the only way to be successful in life is to whore herself out.

But it’s ok if she sees brains being blown out by firearms and people bleeding from gaping wounds because their cybernetic implants were torn out? It’s your call of course since you are the parent but I’m curious to know why the tolerance levels are so different between violence and sex?

She sees little violence, too.

And obviously I'm not raising her to be a killer.


What I enjoy and what she sees are two different things. We all have our vices, but minimizing exposure goes a long way. Myself, less sex and nudity in a game is desirable, given how easy it is for one to be lured into the seedy den of desire. Per another post--the road ultimately leads to the path Bioware has chosen, which for some of us is pretty tasteless.


p.s. I wouldn't dare ever play Cyberpunk around her. The closest she gets to violence when we game is Mount and Blade, which is more historical than anything--an educational experience.

Also, I have written my share of seedy sex scenes in novels of my own. I don't need to be exposed to sex constantly, however. On occasion is fine, but in excess? Nah, not in my games, please.

Text-to-speech MP3...roadtrip flashdrive...~1 hr. before hotel stop...you're welcome.

About how many hours did it take you guys to finish the game? I'm asking because I'm down to two main story missions but I still have a ton of gigs and side jobs to do. I'll do those so I can rank up my level and street cred before I continue with any of the main story missions. Those will be on the back-burner for a while!

140. I could have kept going as I still had some missions on the board, and I chose the option to keep playing at the end, so I could still do. But not feeling it and it will stay stuck on 140 until expansions or DLC compel my return.

Thanks for that info. I get the feeling that this is NOT one of those RPG's where you can go back and freely explore the game world and do side missions once the main story mission has been completed.

No, it is, as I said I took the option to keep going at the end. Once you finish the mission after the point of no return an option pops up to end it, or keep playing. Now whether you want to is another story, but you can free roam after the story is done.

Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up.

The thing is I stopped after selecting the option to continue, so I don't know which content (if any) is locked out after finishing. I'm sure there are a number of side missions that go away. Anything involving Silverhand or Rogue and that sort of stuff.

Speaking of Silverhand, what did you guys think of him? At first I was annoyed to a degree. Didn't like him. But over time I started liking when he popped in to the scene. Overall I thought it was a neat device and added something to the experience.

I started beating it at about 110, but I I still had tons of side stuff to do. At 170 now and haven't totally completed everything yet. Not that I'm racing through it either though.

I like that aspect of the game so far. It constantly reminds me of Fight Club.

If you 'free roam' it loads you into Nocturne OP55N1, just outside Embers - i.e. immediately before the end-game "point of no return".

I just looked in Steam and I only have 49 hours in the game so far so most likely I have a LOT more to do with the main story missions.

Good to know. So if that's the case, then perhaps nothing's locked out, as the game reverts to the state prior to the final missions? Like Silverhand is still around?

Yes, plus you may have some unique items and other 'acquisitions' from the assault according to how you went about things. a NG+ (mini)

How's performance these days? Anyone running at 4K wants to share his settings (2080S here).

Is the world as alive and interesting as Kingdom Come Deliverance?

I have 130 hours in KKD and still haven't willed myself to beat the main quest. So wonderful. I know I need to uninstall to free up space for other games, but I don't want to.

Never played KCD but I'm pretty satisfied with the open world of Night City. There are some odd AI-controlled auto traffic issues that I see from time to time but Night City itself is very immersive and there is a LOT of detail to explore.

Visually at least, the Cyberpunk world is easily the most impressive I've ever experienced, it's just too bad it isn't more interactive and responsive to the player.

From the screenshots I've seen, Cyberpunk looks equivalent to Star Citizen, graphically.

I've not played Star Citizen but the graphics are definitely top rate and indicative of an A++ big budget title. It looks even better than Doom Eternal or Jedi: Fallen Order.

Cyberpunk might have a slight edge graphically, but where it shines is in its very detailed and plausible depiction of a busy city.

I liked Night City, it's really cool. But having played through, I still prefer Los Santos. Purely subjective, but Los Santos gives me a better city vibe.

Star Citizen currently blows Cyberpunk 2077 out of the water in terms of graphics and little details everywhere. Cyberpunk is still an actual completed game though, so it wins there.

And I would make an educated guess and say that about one quarter of the money spent on Star Citizen was spent on making Cyberpunk.

Night City feels more grungy and lived in.

It actually reminds me of my first few visits to Montreal, which is definitely an urban experience.

The only thing I think they could have done better is give it more of a noir feel.

not at all, its archeture is pretty, and that is all.

obviously, refunds only happend on last gen, and the majority of sales were on pc and steam were you couldnt refund in due time to realize this game is apiece of #%&*$#. otherwise the story would be another......steam also wants their 30 cut of a pie so they are not going easy on refunds either, even the courtesy first refund doesnt work

I loved that game too. I finished it, got about 140 hours out of it (same as Cyberpunk). One of the best game worlds around. It feels so authentic. I remember writing in a KCD thread about how I never used the fast travel, as just riding through the amazing countryside was so great.

It's a tough comparison to Cyberpunk. Night City's so much more dense, and vertical NC feels more 'alive' at a glance to me, but as we've talked about it's like a facade. KCD felt authentic, anything you saw was there, concrete. NC feels like you're surrounded by holograms in a sense.

I like both worlds, and of course GTA's Los Santos too, probably still my favorite. And I've spent 700 hours in Los Santos.

Blastman, Cyberpunk seems to be the embodiment of the things you post that you don't like in games. I'd be surprised if you liked it.

Thanks for "hyping up" KCD. You reminded me I may have it. Got me looking in my Steam Library. I purchased it long ago on sale and played 19 minutes
I wondered about the story. I guess I'll have to play longer the next time

I don't want to derail the Cyberpunk thread, but yeah, it's worth a look. I had a great time with KCD. Good story, great world, beautiful countryside and the best (in my view) sword fighting combat in any game.

Here's a thread I started when I played the game, and as I am wont to do, gave my thoughts and opinions on it

https://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4482406/1

I found out that the level cap in Cyberpunk is 50. I'm level 27 now so I guess that means I'm roughly a bit more than halfway done with the game.

I had designs on 50, had all my points and perks roadmapped, but I ran out of steam near the end. And by level 40 I was ready to get to the end.

When it became evident that it was unlikely I would get the achievements for finishing all hustles and gigs I decided to cross the point of no return. I could still go back in and keep going having chosen that option after the credits, but for now at least I moved on. Let's see if they release any expansions or DLC.

So my understanding is that the only characters you can potentially romance are Panam, Judy and River?

I wanted to romance Evelyn Parker but then a major story wrench got thrown in those plans. LOL

That's almost all,

For me, modding is half the fun of a game. Hopefully, modding support will have increased by the time I buy my copy (after I get my RX6800XT -- someday).

I'm almost at the 70 hour mark and I sincerely don't understand all of the complaints against the PC version of the game. Sure there are some odd AI behaviors but the excellent story, characters and combat more than makes up for those minor shortcomings.

I guess some people were expecting a complete reinvention of the RPG genre with this game? Was that claim ever made by Red Projekt in their marketing?

It's a 6.5/10 game that could have easily been at least a 9/10 if not for some Florida Man tier poor decisions imposed by management.

Do you acept 30 fps as your wife untill death do you apart ? the game is not opmized when even high end cards dont get good fps setting things on low without resolution scaling. and they lied about the game they were making......

No, that was me

I only have an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 and I'm playing with all settings on "high" and the game is very playable for me. Sure, I'm not getting a blazing fast 60+ FPS but the game is very playable for me.

I'm sure the game will be improved regardless though as more updates come out.

i have 1070ti i can play most modern games at 4k high at 40to high 50s, this game on med low cant reach stable 40s at 1440p. from my collection of 400 games i will never play this is the only one i regret purchasing, honestly i should had gotten valhalla and just pirate this and i havent sailed those seas in 16 years
mind you, if this was third person, this wouldnt be a bother, but in first person ? no way

I'm now about 83 hours into the game but I want to finish all of my side jobs and gigs before I go on the "point of no return" mission where I have to meet the Japanese Arasaka lady.

Has anyone here actually cleared the entire playable world of all side jobs, gigs and other miscellaneous jobs?

In my current (2nd) play-through I already unlocked all the steam achievements for the different parts of Night City. Also most other side quest, all except of 3

• Beat the Brat
  I tried it, but now postponed it after I complete this run, maybe reskilling my build toward melee
  
• Rogue
  Right now working on that one
  
• Bes Isis
  Preparng ths post, I just learned that progress on this one requires to complete Rogues story.

I completed my first play-through after 140h, the current one is at 120h.

Yes, took a long time and probably isn't worth it. I think I did that after around 110 or so hours. I didn't do much of the main story by that point.

That's what I figured but I'm doing it so I can rack up the experience so I can hit level 50 and also rack up money so I can buy all of the vehicles. Once those two things are done then I'll progress to the final phase of the storyline.

Good luck, I couldn't find the endurance. Had designs on 50, as mentioned a page or two back, but ran out of steam around 40 and just went for the end and my happily ever after with Panam.

Good job WC. I wanted to get those too. I did a hell of a lot of them, but got none of the achievements for gigs and hustles. I think some may have timed out or been canceled in other ways, and some may have never popped in the first place.

For example, IIRC, very early on when you leave your apartment, you come across a couple cops outside a neighbor's door. He won't come out ,so you can agree to help and speak to him later. This mission is called Happily Together I think. Knocking on the door now won't work, you need to come back later. OK, I'll do just that, and off I went in to the City.

Sometime later I was walking down a street and there was a bad guy sitting on a curb. Had a glance in both directions to make sure no one was watching and I gave him the good news with a handgun, killing him and failing Happily Together! So obviously this NPC had something to do with the quest. I reloaded so I didn't lose out, but later the mission was gone from the list. And possibly some gigs and hustles went away too before I completed them.

I wanted those achievements, but after 140 hours I was ready to see it through to the conclusion. Well, at least they are there in case I ever give it another go.

I find it interesting how much easier it is to max out your street cred than your character level. I maxed out my street cred when I had about 60 hours in the game. I now have 83 hours and I'm still only character level 37!

I didn't buy a single vehicle, what does that cost to acquire them all? Gotta be a lot.

Even without buying any I still had a bunch through the story or by searching shipping containers. There's a free Caliburn out there for example, plus Johnny's Porsche and others. I really liked the vibe with the Caliburn and used it quite a bit when the mood struck. But mostly I just rode Jackie's Arch.

There's an achievement for buying all available vehicles so I'm pursuing it. Some vehicles are cheap like in the 15-20k range but some other vehicles are over 100k. As for me, I also usually use Jackie's motorcycle or the one Panam gave me. It's just easier to maneuver around Night City in a motorcycle.

I think I read the cost of them all is around 1.6m, but I don't know if that factors freebies or not?

It has not been a good couple of months for CD Projekt.

That was a inside job, it mentions it will also leak information from acounting, administration, legal and HR, he threatens to release some of this to jornalists.....the game codes is the least of their worries, they made money on it already and no one in their right mind will copy anything from 077. but acounting,legal and HR ? this clearly was the end goal.
there is a reason the note claims this is ruin their image. Also i would change your gog passwords

I wonder if deep down inside the management for CD Projekt regrets making the game in the first place.

Well, at this point they'll just have to...

I have to say that Johnny is one of the most enigmatic and interesting NPC's I've ever experienced in any RPG.

I think CD Project Red don't regret making the game, but may regret how they went about it. Surely it's made a massive profit, even with the refunds. Ultimately the final verdict may be how it has affected their credibility and consumer confidence which won't show until their next project perhaps.

As for Silverhand. I think I talked about it earlier in this thread, but at first I was like just go away dude. But as the game went on I slowly came around, and by the end it was like we were of the same mind. Clearly that's what's intended, and I fell right in line. Of course Johnny went through the same sort of metamorphisis, so in a sense we met somewhere in the middle by the end.

A Silverhand centered prequel would be interesting, although it would be a lot of work considering that they're bound to set it in the 2003-2023 time period when Night City would have been a lot different.

Rogue and Santiago might work too.

Just in: #CDProjektRed AUCTION IS CLOSED. #Hackers auctioned off stolen source code for the #RedEngine and #CDPR game releases, and have just announced that a satisfying offer from outside the forum was received, with the condition of no further distribution or selling.




so they caved and paid for it, lol.

An insightful conjecture

makes you wonder how damaging those HR files were

Has anyone here done more than one playthrough of the game? With the exception of the "prologue" section, is there much difference at all between the Corpo, street kid or nomad stories?

The only difference will be the story up until you save Sandra in the Rescue.

That's it, it's all the same from there, aside from different dialog choices throughout the game, which I think is all smoke and mirrors and has no effect.

Honestly I was really disappointed how this was handled, the backstory you pick meaning so little

For example as a Street Kid I could have started with more Street Cred than the other backgrounds, earned it faster or had access to unique characters like say a fence or a bookie. Corpos could have started with more money and a nice car and have access to unique tech. Nomads could have been able to make more modifications to vehicles and unique weapons or whatever. Lots of possibilities. In a sense CDPR handled this like Night City itself. It's a facade, a hologram if you will. Looks real, but your hand passes right through it.

I use too many metaphors I think

Thanks for that info DBond. Based on that, I will eventually replay the game but not for a long time. I'll give it a few months for some more patches to be released.

Did you finish it?

I'll give Cyberpunk another go if there are any expansions I think.

Not yet. I'm working on finishing up all side jobs and gigs before I do the "point of no return" mission where I meet the Arasaka lady. I forgot her name. lol

dont bother, after you finish the game places you before no return so you can continue to do side job and pick other endings.

Last week I completed my 2nd play-through. First was as corpo, this one as nomad. As has already been said, there is little difference once the intro is over. Some different options in conversations, but also with no noticable different outcome. There was one difference tin the play-through that was not deliberate. n the first run I met with Mama Wells in the bar in rememberance to Jackie. In the second play-through I must have taken a different option, and eventuelly just received the keys to Jackies bike, but no ceremony with the friends in the bar.
But I also made deliberate choices, like always p!ssing Judy off, to the point that I didn't help here to pay the Clouds another visit - never heard of her again, but a surprisingly friendly message in the final credits.
Or first time I went Placides way in the GIM, the second time not so much. That has a considerable impact on that side story
More interesting are the different character builds - first time I went Intelligence+tech, this time I went more the brute way, and didn't use a Cyberdeck but the time warp thingy (ad brute I should probably have used the berserk instead...).

As for another replay, I uninstalled the game, but I might come back for another round once some expansions are available, but not anytime soon.

Thanks for that informative post WhoCares.

As for me, I finished the main storyline today and I was pretty satisfied with the ending. I'd say it was a mostly happy ending with some caveats. The final phase of the game really made me think and at times I felt like I needed a Ph.D in metaphysics to really grasp what was going on.

For my second playthrough I think I'll go the "street kid" route and play it more "Mr. Tough Guy" instead of being "Mr. Nice Guy" all the time with my decisions. Overall I was very satisfied with the game even with its few odd AI quirks and behaviors.


I did notice something interesting with the Steam achievement that you get when you finish the main story. Only 29.6% of players who have the game on Steam have earned it which means that less than a third of the players have bothered to finish the game after 3 months of release. I myself would have finished the game earlier but I was dividing my gaming time between this one and several other games. I'm not the type who exclusively plays only one game until it's completed. I like variety.

Low completion rates are a near universal. Different games vary a bit, but KCD is currently at less than 13%

I haven't finished it, nor have I even played it since early January.

I'm going to wait for additional content and DLC.

So for the sake of comparison, while I enjoyed the story and characters in Cyberpunk 2077, it wasn't on the same high level as the story and characters in Witcher 3. Perhaps what made all the difference here is that the WItcher had the advantage of having several books as a foundation? is there a Cyberpunk 2077 novel? If there is I've never heard of it.

Cyberpunk 2077 is based on the pen an paper RPG that only covers 2013-2045 in any sort of depth, with most of the lore being oriented towards edgy angsty worldbuilding rather than focusing on pre-existing characters that relatively few players will get involved with in the course of their games.

There are apparently some Cyberpunk 2020 based novels, but they're terrible from what I've heard, the real Cyberpunk novels would be the works of authors like William Gibson.

enjoy being disapointed,

Yikes. Thanks for that info Blade. That really does limit the replayability for sure.

Each sidequest has different end points, be a dick/be nice. Few of them go beyond the reward and your personal RP choice, but there is certainly a different tone from playing differently.

Different tone is a different experience. Even if the 'result' is largely the same.

not for me....colt45 made me aware of dragon age origins......give me that freedom of choice or dont call your self rpg. even assassin creed odyssey had more freedom of choice and end result than cp77,both in the side quests and the missions.

Hi guys, hope your all doin 👌 I’ve just started playing this on the PS4 pro and thankfully haven’t had any game breaking bugs, “crosses fingers” lol. I play with most of the HUD off, apart from minimap, health etc. Thing is when I throw a grenade of any kind it now has a large red semi circle depicting the radius I presume.

Don’t know what I pressed to get it on but would love it off, been through settings a dozen times and can’t find out how to switch it off. Any help would be greatly appreciated guys, ta.

Mick 👍

Edit, it wasn’t there the other day so I must have pressed something, just can’t fathom how to get rid of it.

That's a Technical skill called Grenadier if I recall. Did you choose this perk?

I did and I liked having it on.

I haven't played it since the update yet but this latest mega-patch was almost 29 GB! I'm looking forward to seeing what has been improved and fixed.

if you finished the game nothing of matter to you, only background bugs, and a few fixes that should already be there, but jack still goes through the door on prologue, some people are claiming they cant interact with the med evac on prologue so they cant progress, bugs in save files WILL REMAIN on them. you need to load a earlier save,
also quick hacks now alert everyone in the network......this is clearly a bug they introduced.

Thanks for that info Blade and yes, I already finished the main story. I'm just now going around and doing police scanner and side gigs so I can get those achievements. I also want to buy the remaining available cars.

If someone has information about performance (FPS) post the 1.2 patch, I'd be curious.

I've been waiting for this before getting into the game, but keep hearing it makes performance even worse.

Did they fix the problems in this yet? Is it less like GTA now?

The thing I hate the most about GTA games is milling about waiting for the next mission to drop, with nothing to do. That drives me insane. I want a completely interactive world like Kingdom Come Deliverance, where I can go and do as I please. Did they fix that part of Cyberpunk yet?

I should be putting in some time into it tonight so I'll post my findings here tomorrow.

Looks like I have, thought it was in the settings, pity I can’t have it un equipped, enjoying the game so far though.

Mick.

I might shelve the game and start a fresh playthrough when all the patches and DLC are in, which will probably be another year at this rate.

Once I finish 100% of the side gigs and police scanner jobs I'll keep the game on ice until I get my new gaming rig at the end of the year. I'll then replay it as a "street kid".

Haha well the description says

The explosion radius of all grenades is visible

Tech was one of the trees I went heavily in to. Lots of good ones in there. I like Grenadier for throwing grenades at groups to initiate the combat. Easy to get three of them when they are standing still with this perk.

I think for 100k credits you can get an item at the Ripper Docs to reset all your skills

Thanks for the info guys 👍 I just hadn’t noticed I had gotten one of those perks, sometimes fall asleep when playing, that’s my excuse anyway.😉

just confirmation of what i said https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/if-you-...be-fixed-before-playing-it-keep-waiting/

Interesting, useful information. I'll continue to wait -- without holding my breath.

I'll tentatively plan on 2022 or 2023. I won't be upset if its sooner than that

m honestly deleted it, will only play on the backburner when i fileld my quota of unplayed games, by then maybe my rage will subdue and they will give a discount for previous owners when they inevitably release a remake in the future or a new one with the stuff this one was suposed to get.

I suspect it'll take them as many as 2 more full game releases to produce something that actually lives up to the hype.

In the meantime, I hope for a killer full conversion mod made by fans of the genre.

Seems likely:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...losses-on-cyberpunk2077/?sh=47e4eaf5a1a8

I played about 2 hours of the game last night and my frame rate was no different from before. I still have a ton of side jobs and police scanner hustles to do so I’ll get more testing done eventually.

Thanks PM.

I actually tried to get it refunded a few days ago, telling them that waiting for more patches I had no patience for - well, that didn't work out, since I had "owened the game for too long" (never having played it.

Kind of a shame, I love the Witcher 3, and I was expecting the same kind of epic entertainment from Cyberpunk. Maybe I shouldn't have read all the reviews, but it's a point where I find it hard to get the interest and install it... especially since thjey (GOG) made the download unnecessary large by including all language files (30GB of extra download).

i only bought because from their misleading marketing i though i could get a ghost in the shell experience...game is a poor far cry with deus ex skin.

It's interesting you mention Deus Ex because there are quite a few similarities between Cyberpunk 2077 and the Deus Ex series. The major ones of course being the use of cybernetic augmentations and the futuristic dystopian world.