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Posted By: KRT_Bong

Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 02:19 AM

So I'm walking up to an ATM and a guy already at one of the two there waves me off and says "Six Feet, You have to stand back". So I'm not within 6 feet and I say where's your mask? "I haven't got the virus" this guy says. I haven't either I said. "well how do I know that" he retorts. That's why you should wear a mask I tell him. More customers show up and they call him out the same way and he threatens to call the cops. "Go ahead Dummass" one says, so he starts talking to the security cam pointing at us and gets on his phone and dials 911 starts giving out my license number and I never got near him. I left and drove away but then thought no I'm going to see if anyone shows up and sure enough there's a Deputy. He said there are no laws for social distancing and apparently this Deputy has met this looney tune before, he was exceedingly polite and calm I Thanked him for his service and went on my way. I'm seeing more and more of these wack jobs every day thanks to Coronavirus fear
Posted By: Nixer

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 02:34 AM

Yankees...
Posted By: JimK

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 03:01 AM

Its everywhere. Wife works at Walmart. WA just went mask order inside everywhere and and out if you can`t maintain a 6 ft social distance with others.
See them all over the store with no regards for anyone else.
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 03:13 AM

Like these 2 Karen (who came up with the name) who had a tantrum cos they didn't want to wear a mask https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/28/anot...e-meltdown-over-mask-policy-throws-food/
Posted By: Nimits

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 04:18 AM

Mandatory mask orders are pointless and immoral (if not illegal).
Posted By: Ssnake

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 05:40 AM

They're neither.
Posted By: RedToo

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Ssnake
They're neither.


+1
Posted By: Ajay

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 11:10 AM

popcorn
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Nixer
Yankees...



Yeah, they suck. I've been a Red Sox fan since 1979.
Posted By: rwatson

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 11:32 AM

LOL PM I'm a Connecticut Yankee but a solid Sox fan
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by rwatson
LOL PM I'm a Connecticut Yankee but a solid Sox fan



As you probably already know, only about half of CT is Yankee territory. The other half is Red Sox territory!
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Nimits
Mandatory mask orders are pointless and immoral (if not illegal).



Not in public places. Just as you give up certain freedoms when you share a public roadway with others (ie you can only drive so fast, in a certain direction etc) you also give up the freedom to go naked or to smoke a cigarette when you enter other shared public places. In times of a highly contagious disease it is within the rights of government officialism and/or business owners to require masks in shared public places.

Even if much of the information about that disease is hyped and politicized.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 11:36 AM

+1 A very sensible and on-point post F4U.
Posted By: No105_Archie

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 01:07 PM

well said F4
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Nimits
Mandatory mask orders are pointless and immoral (if not illegal).



Not in public places. Just as you give up certain freedoms when you share a public roadway with others (ie you can only drive so fast, in a certain direction etc) you also give up the freedom to go naked or to smoke a cigarette when you enter other shared public places. In times of a highly contagious disease it is within the rights of government officialism and/or business owners to require masks in shared public places.

Even if much of the information about that disease is hyped and politicized.

thumbsup
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Nimits
Mandatory mask orders are pointless and immoral (if not illegal).



Not in public places. Just as you give up certain freedoms when you share a public roadway with others (ie you can only drive so fast, in a certain direction etc) you also give up the freedom to go naked or to smoke a cigarette when you enter other shared public places. In times of a highly contagious disease it is within the rights of government officialism and/or business owners to require masks in shared public places.

Even if much of the information about that disease is hyped and politicized.


It depends...

The other examples you listed (driving speed and direction, cigarette smoking, and clothing) came about via proper legislative action. Most of these public mask requirements came about via Governors and/or Mayors making decrees. Some of them have constitutional authority in their jurisdictions to do that, and some of them do not.

And that doesn't even get into the uneven / sometimes hypocritical applications of those decrees. And in a few dashes of law enforcement people lacking any sense in getting over-zealous (eg. standing on a beach waiting for a lone surfer to come back to shore) and a lot of people start having questions about the legitimacy of the measures.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/09/20 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by CyBerkut
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Nimits
Mandatory mask orders are pointless and immoral (if not illegal).



Not in public places. Just as you give up certain freedoms when you share a public roadway with others (ie you can only drive so fast, in a certain direction etc) you also give up the freedom to go naked or to smoke a cigarette when you enter other shared public places. In times of a highly contagious disease it is within the rights of government officialism and/or business owners to require masks in shared public places.

Even if much of the information about that disease is hyped and politicized.


It depends...

The other examples you listed (driving speed and direction, cigarette smoking, and clothing) came about via proper legislative action. Most of these public mask requirements came about via Governors and/or Mayors making decrees. Some of them have constitutional authority in their jurisdictions to do that, and some of them do not.

And that doesn't even get into the uneven / sometimes hypocritical applications of those decrees. And in a few dashes of law enforcement people lacking any sense in getting over-zealous (eg. standing on a beach waiting for a lone surfer to come back to shore) and a lot of people start having questions about the legitimacy of the measures.



No doubt.

I was speaking to the basic premise that "government" (in the nonspecific / overarching sense) has the authority to do such things. Of course there will be government entities that go about it the wrong way, over reach, apply unevenly etc. Such is the nature of human endeavors.
Posted By: Nimits

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Nimits
Mandatory mask orders are pointless and immoral (if not illegal).



Not in public places. Just as you give up certain freedoms when you share a public roadway with others (ie you can only drive so fast, in a certain direction etc) you also give up the freedom to go naked or to smoke a cigarette when you enter other shared public places. In times of a highly contagious disease it is within the rights of government officialism and/or business owners to require masks in shared public places.

Even if much of the information about that disease is hyped and politicized.


Using anti-smoking laws is a poor example (as those are also immoral and pointless . . . and I say this as a person who detests being around cigarette smokers).

Mask wearing is demonstrated to be pointless by those experts advocating it: they almost universally say masks must be accompanied with social distancing and other mitigation efforts to be effective, and suggest we will be wearing masks for months or years to come; if it were effective enough to be useful, it would be reducing the spread of the disease to near zero without the need for social distancing or shutdowns, eliminating it in short order. Moreover, on the the common rational oft repeated by American experts, anyway, that wearing masks shows "we are all in this together" is expressly anti-scientific.

Mask orders are immoral in that they violate our freedoms (and cause discomfort and possible harm to our health) in attempt to support a goal (slowing - not stopping, mind you - the spread of a disease that is not dangerous to the vast majority of the population) in which many have no interest.

Masks orders are probably illegal in that, even ignoring the fact that they are enacted without reference to the will the of the electorate or the legislature, they treat healthy and sick people the same (i.e. the government can argue public interest in forcing a sick person to quarantine, but has no public safety interest in forcing a healthy person to wear a mask, and has no authority to treat health people as if they are sick, and more than it has authority to treat law abiding citizens as if they are criminals).

People should be allowed to make their own decisions based on the available data; if they choose riskier behavior, then so be it. For those that have a legitimate vulnerability, they should have the freedom to remain at home and social distance until/if herd immunity is achieved or a vaccine/treatment is available, but not demand that of everyone else.
Posted By: oldgrognard

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 12:09 AM

Getting into PWEC territory.
Posted By: KraziKanuK

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 12:14 AM

10 excuses for not wearing a mask, https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...spite-covid-19-coronavirus/#516e534cb53d
Posted By: Nixer

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 12:52 AM

Right off in the Forbes article I see this..

Nearly 100,000 people in the U.S. have already died from the virus.

More like 100,000 have died since the virus was recognized. The books are seriously being cooked, and the cooks are staying home and getting paid. Duhhhhh!
Posted By: JimK

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nixer
Right off in the Forbes article I see this..

Nearly 100,000 people in the U.S. have already died from the virus.

More like 100,000 have died since the virus was recognized. The books are seriously being cooked, and the cooks are staying home and getting paid. Duhhhhh!


Try over 135000+ Live counter running since April.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Nimits

Mask wearing is demonstrated to be pointless by those experts advocating it: they almost universally say masks must be accompanied with social distancing and other mitigation efforts to be effective, and suggest we will be wearing masks for months or years to come; if it were effective enough to be useful, it would be reducing the spread of the disease to near zero.......


I once was a certified surgical instrument sterilization technician. What did we do to protect ourselves when handling bloody instruments post op, all of which are always considered to be contaminated with some pathogen? We wore a mask.

Masks are not 100% effective, anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or a liar. Therefore if the mask is not 100% effective it makes sense to combine the mask with other measures, such as distancing, to increase the overall effectiveness. And since not everyone is going to wear a mask, or wear one but improperly, or fail to maintain distancing you will never see 100% containment. If two people are in line together at the store and one is wearing a mask and the other isn't both are protected from pathogen spread to some degree greater than if neither were wearing a mask. If both wear a mask the benefit is increased for both. If both wear a mask and maintain their distance the benefit is even greater. But the mask won't protect you from touching a contaminated surface then rubbing your eye. So no, even if everyone wore a mask that won't cause disease spread to drop to zero.

There is a lot of hyperbole about masks on both sides. One side claims that masks are useless and/or dangerous. The other claims that as long as everyone wears a mask and maintains proper spacing then you're 100% safe. Neither is true.

Posted By: Docjonel

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 03:29 AM

I agree with F4UDash4.
Good post!
Posted By: JimK

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 03:35 AM

I carry 2 different masks with at all times. Always wearing them where required. Out here its everything inside any business and outside if you can`t maintain 6 ft.
I take it off the minute I go out the door.
Posted By: RSColonel_131st

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 09:31 AM

From the video linked in the Forbes article above, it's great to see the cart-disinfection guy dance around his job... biggrin
Posted By: rwatson

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 02:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUa_G1h3pw
Posted By: rwatson

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/10/20 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by rwatson
LOL PM I'm a Connecticut Yankee but a solid Sox fan



As you probably already know, only about half of CT is Yankee territory. The other half is Red Sox territory!

For sure PM and I lived on the Sox side
Posted By: vonBaur

Re: Lunatic Fringe - 07/11/20 09:01 PM

Dangit!! I thought it was a recruitment page. I wanted to sign up.
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