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what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf?

Posted By: HeinKill

what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/19/20 05:43 PM

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020...n-us-navy-of-potential-response/12163414

Isn’t it a bit weird for a little Coastguard cutter to be sailing with the big boys so far from, you know, the US Coast?
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/19/20 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by HeinKill
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020...n-us-navy-of-potential-response/12163414

Isn’t it a bit weird for a little Coastguard cutter to be sailing with the big boys so far from, you know, the US Coast?



In wartime (WWII, Korea, Vietnam for instance) the USCG serves alongside the US Navy therefore in peacetime they need to train likewise.
Posted By: Vertigo1

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/20/20 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by HeinKill
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020...n-us-navy-of-potential-response/12163414

Isn’t it a bit weird for a little Coastguard cutter to be sailing with the big boys so far from, you know, the US Coast?



In wartime (WWII, Korea, Vietnam for instance) the USCG serves alongside the US Navy therefore in peacetime they need to train likewise.


When I was deployed for OEF, I ran into a Coast Guard guy in the middle of Afghanistan. That was a WTF moment for me.
Posted By: Timothy

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/20/20 04:23 AM

Guy I knew just before I left to Basic retired as a recruiter from the CG. Served in the Gulf for 3 years dealing with security of the Oil Pumping Stations for the tankers.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/20/20 10:34 AM

It seems like the old joke of joining the CG in order to avoid a deployment outside the US no longer applies!
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/20/20 10:36 AM

It's not any different than the national guard thinking you won't have to go fight a war. They also get deployed outside the USA during wars. Or the Air National Guard, same thing. They also get combat missions during wars.
Posted By: Zamzow

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/21/20 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
It seems like the old joke of joining the CG in order to avoid a deployment outside the US no longer applies!


That hurts.

I had an uncle who did 30 years in the Coast Guard.

He had this map of the world with pins on all the places he'd been. It was everywhere. Near North pole, South pole, just everywhere (I will confess he was quite an overachiever though)...

I will repeat that he was pretty hardcore - but he was living proof that the US Coast Guard does a lot more than people think...

I saw his retirement "ceremony" in 1980. He had five chevrons on his arm, and there was a bunch of guys (also retiring) with four asking "How'd you get FIVE?"...

His answer was "Four years on base". He never told me or them exactly what or where that was about...

I of course have no proof of this. I only know how hard ass he was...
Posted By: JimK

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/21/20 04:47 AM

Could not agree more. Shallow comment.

Originally Posted by Zamzow
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
It seems like the old joke of joining the CG in order to avoid a deployment outside the US no longer applies!


That hurts.

I had an uncle who did 30 years in the Coast Guard.

He had this map of the world with pins on all the places he'd been. It was everywhere. Near North pole, South pole, just everywhere (I will confess he was quite an overachiever though)...

I will repeat that he was pretty hardcore - but he was living proof that the US Coast Guard does a lot more than people think...

I saw his retirement "ceremony" in 1980. He had five chevrons on his arm, and there was a bunch of guys (also retiring) with four asking "How'd you get FIVE?"...

His answer was "Four years on base". He never told me or them exactly what or where that was about...

I of course have no proof of this. I only know how hard ass he was...








Had 2 uncles and 4 friends that are hardcore CG, and they went everywhere they wanted them. Not their choice, but they go where-ever they are told.

One loved ghosting the narcos. as they came in. Its real out there. Our Was.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/21/20 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by JimK
Could not agree more. Shallow comment.




It has nothing to do with being a "shallow comment" since I was not the one who created this joke which has existed maybe for several decades now? As with most jokes concerning the military branches, they are uninformed and inaccurate to a large degree but you also cannot dispute the fact that the public at large has these misconceptions about the CG. The National Guard too for that matter.
Posted By: DBond

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/22/20 01:54 PM

It doesn't apply to modern day, but in WW2 the Treasury-class cutters were probably the Americans' best-suited escort vessel in the Atlantic. Big and beamy, they were excellent blue-water escorts.

One of the Coast Guard training centers is a few miles from me in Cape May, NJ. When I was growing up my dad hired many of the recruits to work for him while they were here training before getting their first assignment. Some of them I am still friends with. One of my best friends from high school went to the academy, did the tall ship cruise around the world (or half of it, I think they swap classes half way). He later went to the FBI.

I got pulled over one time by the USCG in a Zodiak type boat. Not my best day.
Posted By: HeinKill

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/23/20 01:53 PM

I guess I wasn't so much surprised by the inclusion of coast guard vessel but perhaps the vessel itself. It seems kinda small to be so far from home ...
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But I guess they only have one of these guys:

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Posted By: Vaderini

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/23/20 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by HeinKill
It seems kinda small to be so far from home ...

It still dwarves the ships in which Colombus crossed the Atlantic

It's all relative!
Posted By: Vaderini

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/23/20 05:28 PM

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Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/23/20 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by HeinKill
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020...n-us-navy-of-potential-response/12163414

Isn’t it a bit weird for a little Coastguard cutter to be sailing with the big boys so far from, you know, the US Coast?


the world is just america backyard in case you didnt know Blade, getting tired of warning you about political shots in Community Hall. This one just cost you two weeks suspension.


thanks for the tidbits ,though i wasnt aware of that training
Posted By: Nimits

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 04/24/20 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by HeinKill
I guess I wasn't so much surprised by the inclusion of coast guard vessel but perhaps the vessel itself. It seems kinda small to be so far from home ...
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But I guess they only have one of these guys:

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USCG has 8 of those (Legend class) on active service, plus the the three old Hamilton class.

Back in the Cold War, those things used to carry Harpoons and ASW torpedoes . . . The offensive weapons have been since removed, but their defensive suites are on par with the frigates of many navies.
Posted By: oldgrognard

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/08/20 11:32 AM

Saw this in other readings and thought it was appropriate for here.


https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/75-years-ago-u-s-coast-guard-operations-at-okinawa
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/11/20 12:43 PM

Don't think that Coast Guard cutter and U.S. Navy ships will have to worry much about the Iranian Navy

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-52612511
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/11/20 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Don't think that Coast Guard cutter and U.S. Navy ships will have to worry much about the Iranian Navy

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-52612511


Iran hasn’t had a vaunted navy since about 350 BC when the Persian Empire had one!
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/11/20 03:00 PM

According to WIKI they currently do have operational full size Submarines and Frigates. They don't just have the little patrol boats and gunboats and corvettes we see on the news harassing Western countries navies. I wonder why they don't attempt to come at the Western navies with those Frigates and Submarines? It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Posted By: Nixer

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/11/20 03:37 PM

Because they know the life span of those "assets" will be measured in short minutes...hopefully.

Remember the US Navy recently killed more of their own than the Iranians just lost. Why?

Because some admirals didn't think it was cost effective to require naval officers to be effectively taught how to navigate a vessel. dizzy
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/11/20 04:17 PM

Wiki says the US Navy sunk one of those Iranian Frigates in 1988 during the Iran Iraq war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

and ever since, the Iranian Navy no longer put those Frigates out cause they are no match for the U.S. Navy, but I guess they think they little toy boats they sent to harass the U.S. Navy and the Royal Navy are a match against those Western navies.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/11/20 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
According to WIKI they currently do have operational full size Submarines and Frigates.


The Iranian Navy has 3 "full size" submarines (~30 year old Russian Kilos) that are small by any modern navy's standard. They have one vessel they call a destroyer that is on par displacement wise with modern navy frigates and they have half dozen or so vessels they call frigates that are really, by size, nothing more than corvettes/patrol boats.
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 05/11/20 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
According to WIKI they currently do have operational full size Submarines and Frigates. They don't just have the little patrol boats and gunboats and corvettes we see on the news harassing Western countries navies. I wonder why they don't attempt to come at the Western navies with those Frigates and Submarines? It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.


Do you really think the Iranians are trying to win a naval engagement using those small boats?

The harrasment is for propaganda and/or provocation.

They can record footage of 'challenging the Great Satan's' navy, edited and narrated to suit their purpose.

If they do manage to sufficiently provoke the U.S. Navy, they may try to use that as justification to bring their land based missiles to bear. It would almost certainly prove to be an unwise decision, but that doesn't necessrily mean they won't make it. If things get bad enough domestically for the Mullahs, they may start viewing that idea as feasible. Likewise is things in the U.S. look bad enough to the Mullahs to the point that they think they can get away with it.
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 07/11/20 03:15 PM

Check out these new Coast Guard cutters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend-class_cutter

Found out about them from this episode I just watched

https://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-s.../full-episodes/us-coast-guard-superships

They are state of the art and even have Phalanx, Bofors, and SeaRAM.
Posted By: 531 Ghost

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 07/12/20 10:58 AM

Never has applied PanzerMeyer. My Pop spent 10 years in Navy Subs (Bashaw, Nautilus, Skate, Skipjack) and 10 in the CG on ice breakers. He spent as much time deployed (if not more) in the CG as he did in the Navy.
Posted By: Lieste

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 07/12/20 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Check out these new Coast Guard cutters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend-class_cutter

Found out about them from this episode I just watched

https://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-s.../full-episodes/us-coast-guard-superships

They are state of the art and even have Phalanx, Bofors, and SeaRAM.


No. "for but not with" additional weapon systems and sensors.

Fitting SeaRAM replaces Phalanx, not augments it, and 'as designed' at least wasn't the fitted armament.

CIWS is not terribly useful, so dropping it, while retaining the Bofor and HMGs might be worthwhile, but already they are playing juggling with borderline capabilities.
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: what is the US coastguard doing in the Persian Gulf? - 07/27/20 04:41 PM

I see Iran Navy is improving https://news.yahoo.com/iran-moves-mock-u-carrier-094214808.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-moves-mock-aircraft-carrier-sea-amid-u-s-tensions-n1234953
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