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The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal

Posted By: Haggart

The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 04:35 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/politics/navy-confirms-ufo-videos-trnd/index.html
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The objects seen in three clips of declassified military footage are "unidentified aerial phenomena," Navy spokesperson Joe Gradisher confirmed to CNN. The clips, released between December 2017 and March 2018 by To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences, appear to show fast-moving, oblong objects captured by advanced infrared sensors.


is there anything UFO-related that isn't being disclosed ?

It seems as if our planet has become an area of increased research interest for some advanced civilization from within our own galaxy
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 10:09 AM

Yawn.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Yawn.



Oh come on PM! Very interesting development, even if Hag does go overboard with the hype.
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Yawn.


I'll take the bait. What do you think was recorded in those videos?
Posted By: Chucky

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 12:01 PM

Panzer,your lack of faith will displease our new alien overlords biggrin
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 01:05 PM

"It seems as if our planet has become an area of increased research interest for some advanced civilization from within our own galaxy"


So what hard empirical evidence is this statement based on? Oh, there is none? Got it.


As for the videos, anyone with common sense will know these are highly experimental aircraft and the military will say anything to deflect attention from that.
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Yawn.


Oh man, yawns are contagious! Now I'm yawning, too.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 03:40 PM

Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.

This universe is far too large to believe with absolute certainty that there is no other intelligent life out there.

Only 150 years ago most of the roads in America were dirt and mud... Our existence here has been a microcosm of time on the intergalactic calendar.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 03:59 PM

I would not be surprised at all to find out that there is alien life out there, but there just seems to be much simpler explanations for things like this than aliens. I think "aliens" is kind of like the new "evil spirits" of old, where if you can't explain something..."aliens!"

As PM points out, all we have is a mystery, but no actual evidence that indicates an other-worldy origin.
Posted By: oldgrognard

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman


Only 150 years ago most of the roads in America were dirt and mud... Our existence here has been a microcosm of time on the intergalactic calendar.



True. I was at the hangar the other day and the moon was visible. Standing by my lane, looking up at the moon, it struck me that from mans very first powered flight to landing on that moon was only 66 years.

Just 66 years.
Posted By: cichlidfan

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.


You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages.
Posted By: Master

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by RossUK
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Yawn.


I'll take the bait. What do you think was recorded in those videos?


They are obviously UFOs... but being a UFO just means it's unidentifiable not that it is an alien.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Master
Originally Posted by RossUK
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Yawn.


I'll take the bait. What do you think was recorded in those videos?


They are obviously UFOs... but being a UFO just means it's unidentifiable not that it is an alien.


Did you even read the article ? the navy classified this as unindentified aerial phenomena...not flying object.....they are considering this a natural phenomena not a made object. this says a lot.\
Also if you read about the incident you will know the navy tracked those objects with sonar when they dove underwater to flee the jets.
Posted By: JohnnyChemo

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/19/19 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
[quote=Master][quote=RossUK][quote=PanzerMeyer]Yawn.

Did you even read the article ? the navy classified this as unindentified aerial phenomena...not flying object.....they are considering this a natural phenomena not a made object. this says a lot.\
Also if you read about the incident you will know the navy tracked those objects with sonar when they dove underwater to flee the jets.


Frankly I think the wording leaves the door open for natural OR artificial phenomena of unknown nature or origin.
Posted By: usafmtl40

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:02 AM

I was there man....I saw them with my own eyes.....there we were at 24000.....J/K

Definitely wonder what those things were.
Posted By: NH2112

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.


You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages.


No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight.
Posted By: Haggart

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:16 AM

I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Haggart
...

is there anything UFO-related that isn't being disclosed ?

It seems as if our planet has become an area of increased research interest for some advanced civilization from within our own galaxy


Why only "from within our own galaxy" ?

Seems rather extragalactiphobic...






neaner
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Haggart
I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything


Well, at least you didn't say "escaped from Area 51"...
Posted By: Haggart

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:21 AM

lol
Posted By: Pooch

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:42 AM

"Did you even read the article ? the navy classified this as unindentified aerial phenomena...not flying object.....they are considering this a natural phenomena not a made object. this says a lot.\
Also if you read about the incident you will know the navy tracked those objects with sonar when they dove underwater to flee the jets.[/quote]"

Ummm...now hold on. You say the Navy is considering this to be natural phenomena...and then stated that they dove underwater "to flee the jets." I see a problem there.

Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Haggart
I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything

i`m telling you he is an Chat AI, notice how he is on all thread with most views, and after twitter was created he is more jaded ? they are evolving !
Posted By: carrick58

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:54 AM

They are among us.

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Posted By: cichlidfan

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.


You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages.


No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight.


So does a hummingbird.
Posted By: piper

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 02:00 AM

Take a breath folks. They're investigating

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Posted By: NH2112

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.


You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages.


No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight.


So does a hummingbird.


Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration?
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.


You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages.


No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight.


So does a hummingbird.


Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration?

How do we know these are the size of and F-18, and how do we know they have a pilot?
Posted By: Forward Observer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 03:43 AM

My favorite quote on the subject

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Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.


You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages.


No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight.


So does a hummingbird.


Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration?


It's quite possible to protect the pilot from those forces, but the cockpit wouldn't look like anything we're accustomed to. As for allowing it to change directions and accelerate on the fly, well, that's an entirely different and more complicated issue.

I believe that many advanced civilizations we encounter now would...

a) Be benevolent or peaceful, more often than not
b) Avoid direct contact with us or sharing of technology, seeing how destructive and wasteful a species we are--or be quite wary of such, in the least

They'd probably be very worried what we would do should we get our hands on vastly superior technology.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Forward Observer
My favorite quote on the subject

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And this, too. =)
Posted By: NH2112

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by NH2112


Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration?

How do we know these are the size of and F-18, and how do we know they have a pilot?


I used the F18 as an example because it’s been implied these could be experimental aircraft. So, how much energy would it take to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot?
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 04:56 AM

I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful.
Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Forward Observer
My favorite quote on the subject

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Perfect. thumbsup


Wheels
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Haggart
I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything



I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019.
Posted By: NH2112

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Arthonon
I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful.


As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did?
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Haggart
I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything



I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019.


We're not all gullible. Some of us fully realize there is no empirical evidence that aliens exist, but we find the Universe far more interesting if they did. So when things like this come along, we hope finally, maybe, something will come of it.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by Arthonon
I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful.


As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did?


Precisely.

That object wasn't "as small as a hummingbird."

Physics are physics and can't be overcome.

Unless you shortcut them, that is. But we have no proof that the material structure of that UFO is comprised of molecules washed of all their Higgs bosons. If it were...

Well, spacetime would no longer apply in theory, not in a traditional gravitational mass reacting sense.
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Haggart
I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything



I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019.


We're not all gullible. Some of us fully realize there is no empirical evidence that aliens exist, but we find the Universe far more interesting if they did. So when things like this come along, we hope finally, maybe, something will come of it.



Totally agree. And to the people that think it's rubbish, I'd like to know how the respected pilot Fravor got it so wrong. With his experience you cannot just dismiss his account as secret test aircraft. His account suggests craft capable of doing things we are not capable of creating.
Posted By: KraziKanuK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Haggart
I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything



I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019.


I am glad people weren't gullible back in the day when the Earth was flat and the Sun rotated around the Earth.
Posted By: MigBuster

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman


We're not all gullible. Some of us fully realize there is no empirical evidence that aliens exist, but we find the Universe far more interesting if they did. So when things like this come along, we hope finally, maybe, something will come of it.




I see - so somebody has visited the trillions of systems out there and proven that there is no other life - thought so.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 04:47 PM

Exactly, MigBuster. We have no proof, one way or another. But things are more interesting when you consider they might exist.

This blue marble is a lot blander, boring and scary if we latch on to the grim notion we're alone. And some dictatorial nutbag in some nation somewhere is hovering his finger over a red button that could unleash global thermonuclear war, destroying this precious treasure...

Nothing but dust and rocks and blazing embers, swirling around the cosmic black-hole drain.



Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by MigBuster
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman


We're not all gullible. Some of us fully realize there is no empirical evidence that aliens exist, but we find the Universe far more interesting if they did. So when things like this come along, we hope finally, maybe, something will come of it.




I see - so somebody has visited the trillions of systems out there and proven that there is no other life - thought so.


I'm not sure of your point? Are you of the opinion there probably is life elsewhere or being sarcastic?
Posted By: MigBuster

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 05:07 PM

If there are trillions of stars out there let alone planets then surely it is not down to some to prove there is life out there when no one can prove there isn't.
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by MigBuster
If there are trillions of stars out there let alone planets then surely it is not down to some to prove there is life out there when no one can prove there isn't.



Ah I see. The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 05:21 PM

I have zero problem with people saying "there might" be life out there outside of Earth since we currently do not have the capability to search the entire universe for signs of such intelligent life.


However, firm belief in the existence of something in the absence of hard empirical evidence proving such existence is what we call "faith" isn't it? In that sense belief in extra-terrestrial life isn't that much different from belief in a "god".
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I have zero problem with people saying "there might" be life out there outside of Earth since we currently do not have the capability to search the entire universe for signs of such intelligent life.


However, firm belief in the existence of something in the absence of hard empirical evidence proving such existence is what we call "faith" isn't it? In that sense belief in extra-terrestrial life isn't that much different from belief in a "god".


Good post. Most of it I agree with. Except I've not seen a video of Jesus or God where the Navy has admitted they have no idea what they've seen. I wouldn't say the video evidence is empirical like you say, but it's more than I've seen that could prove a God.
Posted By: adlabs6

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I have zero problem with people saying "there might" be life out there outside of Earth since we currently do not have the capability to search the entire universe for signs of such intelligent life.


However, firm belief in the existence of something in the absence of hard empirical evidence proving such existence is what we call "faith" isn't it? In that sense belief in extra-terrestrial life isn't that much different from belief in a "god".


Meh, kinda. In this case, I think that much of the weight would lie in the probabilistic aspects of the known or "proven" aspects of the problem. We know intelligent life can exist. Telescopic exploration of space reveals there are thousands of galaxies, each in form with what we are able to observe quite accurately, down to determining the types of stars likely in each region of those galaxy types, and from there the stars which have a chance of supporting a habitable Earth-like planet.

If there 400 billion stars in our own galaxy, and we presume only 1,000 of those could harbor an Earth-like planet... Multiply that times maybe 5,000 or 10,000 observable galaxies. That's what... approaching 10 million potential earths?

And of course that's only earth-like worlds and the life-forms they can support. Supposedly there is argument that ammonia type worlds (of course toxic to humans and most earth life) could harbor it's own life, but I've never studied this. How many such worlds could that be?

Granted, even with 10 million earths in the universe... It's still possible to have only ONE with intelligent life, meaning we are alone in all the universe. But given this kind of scale of what we know to this point, I'm not too bothered with someone having a high hope or even asserting that there *IS* life beyond our planet. The numbers make it certainly within the realm of reality.

I won't waste typing tons on another more important part of the topic... That if a distant signal is discovered by telescopic observation, with undeniable signs of life, the reality that the observed signs of that life may actually be millions of years old. Did that life survive that millennia of millennia it took for us to find them? Could either they or us survive at minimum double that much longer *again*, until we make contact? IMO those are some very long odds, indeed.
Posted By: DBond

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by adlabs6
The numbers make it certainly within the realm of reality.



Agreed with adlabs. It's the sheer mathematical probability that suggests to me that life exists beyond our own planet. For me, it seems a bigger leap to assume it doesn't than to assume it does.
Posted By: cichlidfan

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
Originally Posted by adlabs6
The numbers make it certainly within the realm of reality.



Agreed with adlabs. It's the sheer mathematical probability that suggests to me that life exists beyond our own planet. For me, it seems a bigger leap to assume it doesn't than to assume it does.


Assuming that life exists is not really an issue. As others have pointed out, it is statistically likely. Assuming they are frequently visiting our planet, given the size of the universe, is statistically unlikely.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I have zero problem with people saying "there might" be life out there outside of Earth since we currently do not have the capability to search the entire universe for signs of such intelligent life.


However, firm belief in the existence of something in the absence of hard empirical evidence proving such existence is what we call "faith" isn't it? In that sense belief in extra-terrestrial life isn't that much different from belief in a "god".


Or believing in no God, for that matter. wink
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by DBond
Originally Posted by adlabs6
The numbers make it certainly within the realm of reality.



Agreed with adlabs. It's the sheer mathematical probability that suggests to me that life exists beyond our own planet. For me, it seems a bigger leap to assume it doesn't than to assume it does.


Assuming that life exists is not really an issue. As others have pointed out, it is statistically likely. Assuming they are frequently visiting our planet, given the size of the universe, is statistically unlikely.


That is, unless they put us here in the first place...

Earth, the giant terrarium and experiment. Maybe we really should be worried about the mice.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 11:25 PM

What if they are not from space but from right here ? how many species we only recently found? how many times we think we know our own history but a acidental dig or geographical morphing reveals ruins of old that change or perception and time scale of our civilization progress ? what if we are the failed ones, left over rather the apex predator we believe to be.
Posted By: KraziKanuK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/20/19 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by DBond
Originally Posted by adlabs6
The numbers make it certainly within the realm of reality.



Agreed with adlabs. It's the sheer mathematical probability that suggests to me that life exists beyond our own planet. For me, it seems a bigger leap to assume it doesn't than to assume it does.


Assuming that life exists is not really an issue. As others have pointed out, it is statistically likely. Assuming they are frequently visiting our planet, given the size of the universe, is statistically unlikely.


That is, unless they put us here in the first place...

Earth, the giant terrarium and experiment. Maybe we really should be worried about the mice.

A microbe that has no known earth DNA has been found. Maybe we are just lab rats.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/21/19 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by Arthonon
I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful.


As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did?

OK, maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say, or maybe we just interpreted cichlidfan's post differently. I took it to mean that a hummingbird can perform certain "maneuvers" because of how it's "built," allowing it to fly in different ways than jet aircraft, but still adhere to physics. Looking at the footage on the CNN link in the original post, I don't see any movement that I would compare to that of a hummingbird. The closest is the end of the second video on that page, where the object moves quickly out of frame to the left. The text in the article and overlaid on the video says it moved to fast for the pod to follow, but I didn't see any official statement to that effect. But even if that were true, it would only show the object accelerating in one direction very quickly, something some unmanned aerial vehicles do all the time (missiles).

When you see stuff flying around without any reference, and from another moving object, it is difficult to accurately discern motion. If the FLIR pod was quickly moved to the right, it would produce the exact same image that we saw in the video, even if the object wasn't moving. Without some sort of solid, static reference, I don't think we can really make any definitive statement about how these vehicles were moving, but maybe there's other video that I missed that has that.

I think when you combine a smaller aircraft that has no pilot, with a video from a moving vehicle that has no fixed reference point, you can easily get footage that looks like it's doing impossible maneuvers without it actually performing impossible maneuvers.
Posted By: Zamzow

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/21/19 04:13 AM

This is the problem with people - a VERIFIED and UNIDENTIFIABLE thing was observed, and all people do is go to one extreme or another...

What we've got here is an unanswered question - and none of us have the answer. The far worse issue is there's people in power who'd not like any answer to be made public.

If it's of terrestrial origin, well "someone" screwed up in terms of secrecy...

If it's not, same thing...

If any truth is found it'll be suppressed - in either of the above scenarios...

YOU ARE NOT INFORMED.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/21/19 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by Arthonon
I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful.


As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did?

OK, maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say, or maybe we just interpreted cichlidfan's post differently. I took it to mean that a hummingbird can perform certain "maneuvers" because of how it's "built," allowing it to fly in different ways than jet aircraft, but still adhere to physics. Looking at the footage on the CNN link in the original post, I don't see any movement that I would compare to that of a hummingbird. The closest is the end of the second video on that page, where the object moves quickly out of frame to the left. The text in the article and overlaid on the video says it moved to fast for the pod to follow, but I didn't see any official statement to that effect. But even if that were true, it would only show the object accelerating in one direction very quickly, something some unmanned aerial vehicles do all the time (missiles).

When you see stuff flying around without any reference, and from another moving object, it is difficult to accurately discern motion. If the FLIR pod was quickly moved to the right, it would produce the exact same image that we saw in the video, even if the object wasn't moving. Without some sort of solid, static reference, I don't think we can really make any definitive statement about how these vehicles were moving, but maybe there's other video that I missed that has that.

I think when you combine a smaller aircraft that has no pilot, with a video from a moving vehicle that has no fixed reference point, you can easily get footage that looks like it's doing impossible maneuvers without it actually performing impossible maneuvers.



what missiles you know keep up pararell with a jet then bolt sideways without any heat exaust or trails, i`m curious.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/21/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by Arthonon
I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful.


As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did?

OK, maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say, or maybe we just interpreted cichlidfan's post differently. I took it to mean that a hummingbird can perform certain "maneuvers" because of how it's "built," allowing it to fly in different ways than jet aircraft, but still adhere to physics. Looking at the footage on the CNN link in the original post, I don't see any movement that I would compare to that of a hummingbird. The closest is the end of the second video on that page, where the object moves quickly out of frame to the left. The text in the article and overlaid on the video says it moved to fast for the pod to follow, but I didn't see any official statement to that effect. But even if that were true, it would only show the object accelerating in one direction very quickly, something some unmanned aerial vehicles do all the time (missiles).

When you see stuff flying around without any reference, and from another moving object, it is difficult to accurately discern motion. If the FLIR pod was quickly moved to the right, it would produce the exact same image that we saw in the video, even if the object wasn't moving. Without some sort of solid, static reference, I don't think we can really make any definitive statement about how these vehicles were moving, but maybe there's other video that I missed that has that.

I think when you combine a smaller aircraft that has no pilot, with a video from a moving vehicle that has no fixed reference point, you can easily get footage that looks like it's doing impossible maneuvers without it actually performing impossible maneuvers.



what missiles you know keep up pararell with a jet then bolt sideways without any heat exaust or trails, i`m curious.

I wasn't saying this was a missile, I was just pointing out that accelerating quickly in one direction is not something that violates the laws of physics, and is actually done all the time by an unmanned vehicle or device. Can you show me any video that clearly shows these vehicles violating the laws of physics?
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/21/19 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by Arthonon
I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful.


As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did?

OK, maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say, or maybe we just interpreted cichlidfan's post differently. I took it to mean that a hummingbird can perform certain "maneuvers" because of how it's "built," allowing it to fly in different ways than jet aircraft, but still adhere to physics. Looking at the footage on the CNN link in the original post, I don't see any movement that I would compare to that of a hummingbird. The closest is the end of the second video on that page, where the object moves quickly out of frame to the left. The text in the article and overlaid on the video says it moved to fast for the pod to follow, but I didn't see any official statement to that effect. But even if that were true, it would only show the object accelerating in one direction very quickly, something some unmanned aerial vehicles do all the time (missiles).

When you see stuff flying around without any reference, and from another moving object, it is difficult to accurately discern motion. If the FLIR pod was quickly moved to the right, it would produce the exact same image that we saw in the video, even if the object wasn't moving. Without some sort of solid, static reference, I don't think we can really make any definitive statement about how these vehicles were moving, but maybe there's other video that I missed that has that.

I think when you combine a smaller aircraft that has no pilot, with a video from a moving vehicle that has no fixed reference point, you can easily get footage that looks like it's doing impossible maneuvers without it actually performing impossible maneuvers.



what missiles you know keep up pararell with a jet then bolt sideways without any heat exaust or trails, i`m curious.

I wasn't saying this was a missile, I was just pointing out that accelerating quickly in one direction is not something that violates the laws of physics, and is actually done all the time by an unmanned vehicle or device. Can you show me any video that clearly shows these vehicles violating the laws of physics?


have you ever seen a failed rocket launch ? they break apart simply by the torque force, if any plane/rocket/drone were to make the same sudden maneuver it would break apart like confetti
Posted By: cichlidfan

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/21/19 10:17 PM

You guys are hilarious. All I meant was that a hummingbird does not need to understand the physics of flight in order to do what it does naturally. Mr. B might be well educated but that does not mean he is correct.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/21/19 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by cichlidfan
You guys are hilarious. All I meant was that a hummingbird does not need to understand the physics of flight in order to do what it does naturally. Mr. B might be well educated but that does not mean he is correct.


humming birds don`t fly at 1.915 km/h !! they would break their neck if they did the same movement at that speed.
Posted By: cichlidfan

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/22/19 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
You guys are hilarious. All I meant was that a hummingbird does not need to understand the physics of flight in order to do what it does naturally. Mr. B might be well educated but that does not mean he is correct.


humming birds don`t fly at 1.915 km/h !! they would break their neck if they did the same movement at that speed.


Actually that is incorrect. Unless they hit a window they will do just fine.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/23/19 04:04 PM

Read this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=14&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0


Quoting,

Quote

“Well, we’ve got a real-world vector for you,” the radio operator said, according to Commander Fravor. For two weeks, the operator said, the Princeton had been tracking mysterious aircraft. The objects appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up.

...

Then, Commander Fravor looked down to the sea. It was calm that day, but the waves were breaking over something that was just below the surface. Whatever it was, it was big enough to cause the sea to churn.

Hovering 50 feet above the churn was an aircraft of some kind — whitish — that was around 40 feet long and oval in shape. The craft was jumping around erratically, staying over the wave disturbance but not moving in any specific direction, Commander Fravor said. The disturbance looked like frothy waves and foam, as if the water were boiling.

...

The two fighter jets then conferred with the operations officer on the Princeton and were told to head to a rendezvous point 60 miles away, called the cap point, in aviation parlance.

They were en route and closing in when the Princeton radioed again. Radar had again picked up the strange aircraft.

“Sir, you won’t believe it,” the radio operator said, “but that thing is at your cap point.”

“We were at least 40 miles away, and in less than a minute this thing was already at our cap point,” Commander Fravor, who has since retired from the Navy, said in the interview.

By the time the two fighter jets arrived at the rendezvous point, the object had disappeared.

...

“I have no idea what I saw,” Commander Fravor replied to the pilot. “It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s.”

But, he added, “I want to fly one.”



That was in 2004.

What drones do we have /now/ that can fly up to 80,000 feet, have no wings or rotors or reactive propellant exhaust systems that can travel 60 miles in a flash and cause the sea to boil when near it due to emissive heat or some other form of radiation?

That is unknown to even our /own/ government. Normally known entities are classified "top secret." This seems not to have been.

According to another article, https://www.space.com/navy-ufo-videos-authentic-classified.html

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According to The Black Vault, the videos may have been improperly released by a former Pentagon employee who had applied for permission to share them across several government agencies as part of a database on unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) he was allegedly compiling. The man received permission to share the videos for "[US Government] Use Only," paperwork obtained by The Black Vault shows. However, Navy officials never declassified the footage for public release, Gradisher said.




And then then there's this:

https://www.universetoday.com/143478/venus-could-have-supported-life-for-billions-of-years/

Just how much do we really know. While we might be making its head spin by transitioning from walking, bipedal life forms to flying, diving and spacefaring creatures in the span of 150 years, do we truly know as much as we think we do?
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/23/19 11:45 PM

Again, even if these craft were doing things that seem impossible, someone built them and they are operating in our environment. So which requires fewer leaps, that they are top secret craft built on Earth, or that they are alien in origin? The only things that needs to be explained if they were built on Earth is how they did it, and what are they doing. If you throw in aliens, you add another item that needs to be explained. You'd need to explain how they were built, what they are doing, and the origin.

We have historical evidence of top secret vehicles being revealed long after they were put into use that could do things no one knew about, but we have no evidence of alien visitors at all. Given the choice, I think it's just more logical to go with the Occam's Razor approach.

I remember as a kid I would read about UFO reports and things, and one of the things many reports would point out as corroborating evidence was that the craft were tracked on radar. Of course now we know about stealth capabilities, so it seems that if they didn't want to be detected, they could have used stealth capabilities, if they are more advanced than us. Some may say that maybe the aliens just don't care about being detected, and maybe they don't, but then why are they so coy?

That's another thing that you'd have to explain if they're aliens, and anything you come up with would just be a guess. If they're of Earthly origin, it would still be guesswork, but as I said earlier, we have seen similar things happen so we have more of a basis for any conjecture.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 12:01 AM

What if they are not aliens, but ancient humans, far more advanced than us ? so its not our tech but made on earth.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
What if they are not aliens, but ancient humans, far more advanced than us ? so its not our tech but made on earth.

The same. Until there is some form of solid evidence that ancient humans with advanced technology, or aliens, or whatever, even exist, let alone are here now, there will always be at least one additional unknown to prove for them to be responsible for this.

Again, we have evidence that modern humans build high-performance craft, and have evidence that modern humans build some of them and keep their capabilities, and even their existence, secret for many years, but we have no evidence of aliens, ancient civilizations more advance than modern ones, etc., so why go with the option that requires even more evidence?

Why don't we just say that aliens visited ancient Earth, took humans to their home planet as slaves, who then overthrew their alien overlords, stole their technology, built a time machine to go back in time, accidentally made dinosaurs smart, who then stole their time machine and went back to the future, built these craft, and are now buzzing about making sure us modern humans don't build time machines to go back and muck it up for them. There is exactly the same amount of evidence to support that as aliens or ancient civilizations.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
What if they are not aliens, but ancient humans, far more advanced than us ? so its not our tech but made on earth.

The same. Until there is some form of solid evidence that ancient humans with advanced technology, or aliens, or whatever, even exist, let alone are here now, there will always be at least one additional unknown to prove for them to be responsible for this.

Again, we have evidence that modern humans build high-performance craft, and have evidence that modern humans build some of them and keep their capabilities, and even their existence, secret for many years, but we have no evidence of aliens, ancient civilizations more advance than modern ones, etc., so why go with the option that requires even more evidence?

Why don't we just say that aliens visited ancient Earth, took humans to their home planet as slaves, who then overthrew their alien overlords, stole their technology, built a time machine to go back in time, accidentally made dinosaurs smart, who then stole their time machine and went back to the future, built these craft, and are now buzzing about making sure us modern humans don't build time machines to go back and muck it up for them. There is exactly the same amount of evidence to support that as aliens or ancient civilizations.

no one here is sugesting they are aliens, what we are saying is, IT WASNT US AND ITS OUT THERE !
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
What if they are not aliens, but ancient humans, far more advanced than us ? so its not our tech but made on earth.

The same. Until there is some form of solid evidence that ancient humans with advanced technology, or aliens, or whatever, even exist, let alone are here now, there will always be at least one additional unknown to prove for them to be responsible for this.

Again, we have evidence that modern humans build high-performance craft, and have evidence that modern humans build some of them and keep their capabilities, and even their existence, secret for many years, but we have no evidence of aliens, ancient civilizations more advance than modern ones, etc., so why go with the option that requires even more evidence?

Why don't we just say that aliens visited ancient Earth, took humans to their home planet as slaves, who then overthrew their alien overlords, stole their technology, built a time machine to go back in time, accidentally made dinosaurs smart, who then stole their time machine and went back to the future, built these craft, and are now buzzing about making sure us modern humans don't build time machines to go back and muck it up for them. There is exactly the same amount of evidence to support that as aliens or ancient civilizations.

no one here is sugesting they are aliens, what we are saying is, IT WASNT US AND ITS OUT THERE !

If you are saying it wasn't us, then you need to have evidence it was someone else, otherwise, your claim is baseless. In fact, I think you'd first need to provide evidence that someone else who could possibly do it even exists.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 01:20 AM

We don't have to prove Aliens exist for the same reason we don't have to prove God exists. If we want to believe, we can. If you insist they do not exist--not simply by stating that, "I faithfully believe that they do not exist," then you must offer proof. Otherwise, you are guessing just as much as we are, and exercising personal faith.

I don't know whether aliens exist or don't exist. I crave tangible evidence. But I want to believe, and I'm okay enough with that.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
We don't have to prove Aliens exist for the same reason we don't have to prove God exists. If we want to believe, we can. If you insist they do not exist--not simply by stating that, "I faithfully believe that they do not exist," then you must offer proof. Otherwise, you are guessing just as much as we are, and exercising personal faith.

I don't know whether aliens exist or don't exist. I crave tangible evidence. But I want to believe, and I'm okay enough with that.

Of course you can believe whatever you like, but for it to have any meaning outside of your head, you need some kind of proof.

I don't need to prove something doesn't exist, because I'm not really claiming anything. If that's the way the world worked, people would have to prove their innocence, or prove they don't owe someone money, or anything else anyone claimed. The burden is always on the person making claim. I'm not saying that they do not exist, I'm saying there's no evidence that they do, and I see no reason to assume they do until some is provided.
Posted By: Crane Hunter

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:24 AM

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Posted By: Haggart

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:27 AM

These objects could easily be robots of a very advanced civilization whose function is to explore, find and study. Voyager 1 and 2 are traveling in interstellar space far from our solar system in which they were launched. If they are seen passing by by astronauts of some other civilization does that mean there is no evidence that humans exist ?
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 04:14 AM

You mean Voyager.

Viking 1 and 2 landed on Mars.
Posted By: Haggart

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 05:05 AM

edited to Voyager thanks
Posted By: nadal

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Haggart
These objects could easily be robots of a very advanced civilization whose function is to explore, find and study. Voyager 1 and 2 are traveling in interstellar space far from our solar system in which they were launched. If they are seen passing by by astronauts of some other civilization does that mean there is no evidence that humans exist ?


this is very possible.


I dont know.. I really want to know what they are... its kind of sad they jammed F/A-18 radar though.. its cleary indication she doesnt want to have a direct contact with us.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
We don't have to prove Aliens exist for the same reason we don't have to prove God exists. If we want to believe, we can. If you insist they do not exist--not simply by stating that, "I faithfully believe that they do not exist," then you must offer proof. Otherwise, you are guessing just as much as we are, and exercising personal faith.

I don't know whether aliens exist or don't exist. I crave tangible evidence. But I want to believe, and I'm okay enough with that.



Thanks for supporting my main point that belief in extra-terrestrial life and belief in a "god" are both based on faith due to the lack of hard empirical evidence. smile
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:09 PM

Well, it's true Panzer. There is no proof beyond some video and stories. Lots of speculation, though.

Originally Posted by nadal
Originally Posted by Haggart
These objects could easily be robots of a very advanced civilization whose function is to explore, find and study. Voyager 1 and 2 are traveling in interstellar space far from our solar system in which they were launched. If they are seen passing by by astronauts of some other civilization does that mean there is no evidence that humans exist ?


this is very possible.


I dont know.. I really want to know what they are... its kind of sad they jammed F/A-18 radar though.. its cleary indication she doesnt want to have a direct contact with us.


Can you blame them? After all the genocide of the 20th century, what kind of advanced intelligent life would want to make contact with us? We're animals.
Posted By: Pooch

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:10 PM

I've never been satisfied with the "I want to believe, so I will" mentality. Especially when it comes to religion, but the same goes for the whole alien idea. There are similarities. There are those who swear they saw the little green (now they're grey) aliens. And some who say they've been taken aboard a spaceship, and there are those who swear that they saw Christ standing in front of them in their bedroom, and some who say they had a near death experience and went to Heaven.
The same goes for some of the arguments against both of these entities. If there are beings from another planet down here, why are they so elusive? Why are they seen by so few? Why don't they just show themselves? The same goes for belief in a god. Why wouldn't he show himself if he were true? Why is he seen be so few. Why does he make no attempt to communicate with us?
I've never been relgious. You have to show me more than some words in a book to get me to believe. But, at least, with the UFO sightings we have something. But it doesn't mean aliens, neccessarily. Hell, it could be beings, right here, from another dimension for all I know.
But, the pilots saw something. And it certainly was strange.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman

Can you blame them? After all the genocide of the 20th century, what kind of advanced intelligent life would want to make contact with us? We're animals.





Of course this makes the big assumption that the advanced intelligent life isn't a blood thirsty expansionist species like we have been for most of our history. wink
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:20 PM

If they were, why haven't they destroyed us yet? How many times do you need to survey a planet over many centuries before you jump the mother fleet in? Stories of aliens go way back, if any of them are to be believed. And if any Type 2+(on the Kardashev scale) alien civilization wanted us dead, there's nothing we could do about it.

The battle would be similar to a biplane attacking the NCC-1701-D USS Enterprise from Next Generation. =)
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
If they were, why haven't they destroyed us yet?



They simply haven't found us yet. The universe is a big place to put it mildly.
Posted By: Pooch

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:36 PM

"They simply haven't found us yet"

No, see...that's something else. I'm not talking as to wether there is life on another rock, out there. I'm talking about the ones who are supposedly here. The spaceships, the little men. Close encounters of the third and fourth kind.
My common sense tells me that there is some sort of life in the great expanse of the Universe. I simply question as to whether or not they are visiting us.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer

They simply haven't found us yet. The universe is a big place to put it mildly.


Sure, if you're looking at the Universe from within. But what if from the outside we're a nice toasty waffle on some Blarzorg's plate, covered in delectable jamberry syrup, waiting to be eaten? Going from point A to point B could be as simple as rolling past the tonsils and flecking the uvula.

"Those durned Einsteinian speed limits. Surely there's a way around these!" The superstring argued.

"Straight to my dog's belly!" The p-brane concurred.

"You're both wrong," Dr. Witten professed, snatching both the scoundrels betwixt tightening fingers, wringing their innards out over the hot, steaming plate.

Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 04:18 PM

Whether there is life, and even intelligent life, somewhere besides Earth (insert intelligent life on Earth joke here) is not dependent on whether these craft are of alien origin. It seems that some people here think that if someone doesn't "believe" that these craft are alien spacecraft, then they don't "believe" in alien life, period. If these craft are built on Earth by modern humans, it doesn't prove that there isn't alien life out there.

I just prefer to follow the evidence to learn something, and not start from a belief and work backwards. So far, we have no reliable evidence of alien life anywhere else, and therefore, of course, no evidence that they have visited Earth. That does not prove that there is no alien life, or that they have not visited Earth, but seeing something we can't immediately explain is also not proof of either being true.
Posted By: NH2112

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Arthonon


We have historical evidence of top secret vehicles being revealed long after they were put into use that could do things no one knew about, but we have no evidence of alien visitors at all. Given the choice, I think it's just more logical to go with the Occam's Razor approach.


Do you think a secret could be kept today, like the stealth fighter or Manhattan Project was?
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by NH2112
Originally Posted by Arthonon


We have historical evidence of top secret vehicles being revealed long after they were put into use that could do things no one knew about, but we have no evidence of alien visitors at all. Given the choice, I think it's just more logical to go with the Occam's Razor approach.


Do you think a secret could be kept today, like the stealth fighter or Manhattan Project was?

Yes. I'm confident there's stuff out there we know very little, if anything about. I realize it's not exactly the same thing, but the X-37B, while we know of its existence, is quite a mystery as to what it does, exactly. It's a secret that's been kept very well, so far. I'm sure there's stuff we know even less about.
Posted By: piper

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/24/19 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Arthonon

Yes. I'm confident there's stuff out there we know very little, if anything about. I realize it's not exactly the same thing, but the X-37B, while we know of its existence, is quite a mystery as to what it does, exactly. It's a secret that's been kept very well, so far. I'm sure there's stuff we know even less about.


Interesting thread, but I think Ken is spot on.

Look at what men, from a public company, can do today.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/24/a...f-a-new-and-improved-gymnastics-routine/

Now, think about what a government sponsored project with unlimited funds could do.
Posted By: DM

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Pooch
"They simply haven't found us yet"

No, see...that's something else. I'm not talking as to wether there is life on another rock, out there. I'm talking about the ones who are supposedly here. The spaceships, the little men. Close encounters of the third and fourth kind.
My common sense tells me that there is some sort of life in the great expanse of the Universe. I simply question as to whether or not they are visiting us.


I'm not convinced of the whole aliens buzzing us idea either. I'd lean more toward cultural impressions leading the observations instead. Thousands of years ago unexplained phenomena was explained as spirits & gods, a few hundred year s ago unexplained phenomena was explained as God revealing Himself or some saint performing miracles. Today, unexplained phenomena is explained by alien visits. I mean, it's kind of strange that God(s) have more-or-less stopped manifesting, but meanwhile aliens are starting to visit. This is probably more due to us as a species advancing our ideas & concepts than God(s) leaving and aliens arriving.

The sightings are strange to be sure, but at their most basic they are things that look odd and we don't know what they are at all, as monkeys we imprint what we DO know (or imagine we know) to try to explain it. If these oddities are totally outside of our experience as a species there's no real way we can effectively categorise it.

Also bear in mind we now live in a society where almost every person carries a camera around with them at all times, yet credible sightings have not increased to keep up. Faced with unexplainable phenomena we imprint our current cultural archetypes onto them.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 11:00 AM

Well said DM!
Posted By: Chucky

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 11:16 AM

Spot on DM!
Posted By: DBond

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer



Thanks for supporting my main point that belief in extra-terrestrial life and belief in a "god" are both based on faith due to the lack of hard empirical evidence. smile


I disagree, since we exist. If one god's existence was known and proven, then the analogous argument would be whether another god exists.

But since we exist, it leaves the realm of faith and enters that of mathematical probability.
Posted By: Pooch

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 03:14 PM

"But since we exist, it leaves the realm of faith and enters that of mathematical probability."
I don't agree with the "We exist so there must be a god," thought process. Science has shown other reasons for why we probably exist. But that, I think, is for another thread. One that will not be permitted here in Community Hall.
Posted By: DBond

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 03:22 PM

Pooch that isn't what I am saying. What I am saying is with god, we have no proof, so to believe requires faith. But humans (and all flora and fauna) exist, so believing other life forms exist isn't a matter of faith, but of probability. To decide that with billions of planets that only one, Earth, has life, seems statistically improbable.
Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 03:26 PM

Hopefully this isn't the end result when we find out...
https://youtu.be/dk01eeKMD_I


Wheels
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by piper

Look at what men, from a public company, can do today.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/24/a...f-a-new-and-improved-gymnastics-routine/

Now, think about what a government sponsored project with unlimited funds could do.


Piper and Arthonon, there are limitations. We can fantasize that the Government has some secret program and lab and has creations of incredible nature they've hidden from us, but we must remember that these creations have absolute limitations governed by the laws of physics as we know them. Currently, as we have written the laws and discussed through theory, there is no known way to accomplish some of the things we've observed these craft do. It isn't possible. Aside from the EM Drive, which is incredibly weak, we know no way to produce a reactionless propulsion system, period. The laws as we know them do not allow for this--hell, they don't even allow for the EM Drive(which is still highly debatable that it even works).

So when we observe phenomena doing things our existing laws don't provide for--then what?

Stealth aircraft, mach speed, ramjets and beyond--all of this can be supported by laws and theory. The only thing needed is tech to abuse them. I think these observations, though, are of a craft with technology science as we know it does not allow for yet. To me, that points to potential otherworldly origin. I'm not convinced these are some top secret program. That's too easy of an explanation. A safe one.

If and when we discover for sure that life exists outside our own planet, mankind, this world, everything will change as we know it. Our perception and perspective will forever be altered.

My thought is, if something appears to utilize technology unsupported by science as we know it, then likely it comes from something that understands the Universe better than we do.



p.s. In response to the tracking on radar thing... Either they don't care they are tracked, or they haven't tuned their technology to render their craft invisible to radar. And nothing, not even our own stealth tech, is ever truly "invisible." It is designed in such a way to defeat current technology. See how newer radar technology now is able to see older stealth technology. We aren't vanishing aircraft from the electromagnetic spectrum. If stealth tech isn't tuned to defeat specific bands of radar, it isn't going to work. If they're alien, why would they care about our tech, and if they do, perhaps they were testing it out, hence shadowing military aircraft. In the encounters, notice how sometimes they could detect the craft, while other times they could not. We don't turn our tech on and off. It's on the skin of an aircraft, unless ECM.


This is speculation, of course.

If there weren't limitations, then some of this would be obvious through the laws of physics are they are currently written. Keeping occupants alive inside during sudden shifts of direction and velocity--I can explain that. Moving without propellants or mass shifting thrusters... Well, I can go sci-fi on you, but none of those solutions are supported by existing peer-reviewed science. That kind of science is very hard to hide, no matter who you are, because science is a group effort. Do we have a pocket super genius locked away somewhere? Maybe. But I doubt it.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Pooch
"But since we exist, it leaves the realm of faith and enters that of mathematical probability."
I don't agree with the "We exist so there must be a god," thought process. Science has shown other reasons for why we probably exist. But that, I think, is for another thread. One that will not be permitted here in Community Hall.


But do we really know that we exist?

Our ability to prove this is limited by what our eyes, ears, smell, taste and touch tell us. Do we know these senses are real?

For all we know this Universe could be a simulation and we're an algorithm being fed data, and told this data is coming from those senses. As much as we want to believe, "I think, therefore I am," we can never know. A sufficiently advanced civilization would create our artificial world in such a nuanced way that the only way to prove that it was not real was to find a glitch in the system--something that behaved in an impossible, unexplainable manner.
Posted By: adlabs6

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
notice how sometimes they could detect the craft, while other times they could not. We don't turn our tech on and off. It's on the skin of an aircraft, unless ECM.


This was part of what I was thinking back when I first read these articles. IIRC, the aircraft which were detecting these objects all had recent radar/systems upgrades. The old-tech aircraft never detected these things. New did. One of the pilot accounts mentioned that he had tried to make visual on the locked target, and could not. Perhaps I'm amiss here, but I recall something along those lines.

Perhaps these "sightings" are nothing more than radar/sensor tech glitch in the new systems?

With regard to "believing" and aliens and such... One way I think of the issue is down to money/time. How would I spend money/time related to aspects of this topic?

Would I spend money/time to process telescopic data, filtering for possible life-form signals? Yes. This is the likely means by which I think "contact" would be made. On the electromagnetic spectrum, via some binary codification of fundamental (and obvious) mathematical principles, and this done over vast, physically insurmountable distances. While this means does fall into the territory of a "belief" I suppose, it's the most viable pathway based upon what I know to exist.

Would I spend money/time to build a transmitter to send such signals to possible distant observers? Maybe. Hearing a signal can't be done, without a signal having been sent. In my own lifetime, the results of this effort would be total zero, due to the distances and time involved. Whether these signals could ever actually be replied to (and subsequently received by humanity) are IMO a vast doubt. The more likely outcome would be that if it were received by an alien observer, our presences would simply become known to someone who could never make any meaningful action, armed with this knowledge. This outcome could be called exactly the same as simply "believing" that someone had received the signal. Just imagination. Which in itself is a bit self defeating. Surely this is also a consideration an alien race has weighed. If I wouldn't spend money/time to send, would they spend? Which kind of casts doubt on even trying to detect signals in the first place...

Would I spend money/time building an alien landing pad to receive visitors? No.

Would I spend money/time hunting for proof of miracles or deities? No.
Posted By: Pooch

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 04:54 PM

"Perhaps these "sightings" are nothing more than radar/sensor tech glitch in the new systems?"

No, I'm going to have to call timeout on that one. While there is a danger in wanting to believe something so badly that you grasp for straws whenever you see anything, you don't want to go the other way, either.
Those films did not show glitches in the RADAR system. They were objects. Objects picked up, not only on RADAR, but on SONAR when they dived into the water. They were also clearly seen by the mark 1 eyeball units.
I'm not debating, at all, as to wether these men encountered something. They certainly did. It's what they were, and what their origin is that is debatable.
And DBond. I did seem to misunderstand your post. I see that we actually were in agreement, there.
Posted By: adlabs6

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Pooch
"Perhaps these "sightings" are nothing more than radar/sensor tech glitch in the new systems?"

No, I'm going to have to call timeout on that one. While there is a danger in wanting to believe something so badly that you grasp for straws whenever you see anything, you don't want to go the other way, either.
Those films did not show glitches in the RADAR system. They were objects. Objects picked up, not only on RADAR, but on SONAR when they dived into the water. They were also clearly seen by the mark 1 eyeball units.


Ok, then there is more I've not seen. I had not heard of the separate SONAR and visual detection. Thanks.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by piper

Look at what men, from a public company, can do today.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/24/a...f-a-new-and-improved-gymnastics-routine/

Now, think about what a government sponsored project with unlimited funds could do.


Piper and Arthonon, there are limitations. We can fantasize that the Government has some secret program and lab and has creations of incredible nature they've hidden from us

OK, let's look at that bolded statement. "We can fatasize that the Government..." So, the government having top secret programs and developing craft with capabilities beyond what has been publicly released is a fantasy, but aliens we've never seen, with powers we can't understand, doing things that make little sense, is more believable? Is that really your supposition?

To continue:

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
...but we must remember that these creations have absolute limitations governed by the laws of physics as we know them. Currently, as we have written the laws and discussed through theory, there is no known way to accomplish some of the things we've observed these craft do. It isn't possible. Aside from the EM Drive, which is incredibly weak, we know no way to produce a reactionless propulsion system, period. The laws as we know them do not allow for this--hell, they don't even allow for the EM Drive(which is still highly debatable that it even works).

So when we observe phenomena doing things our existing laws don't provide for--then what?

Stealth aircraft, mach speed, ramjets and beyond--all of this can be supported by laws and theory. The only thing needed is tech to abuse them. I think these observations, though, are of a craft with technology science as we know it does not allow for yet. To me, that points to potential otherworldly origin. I'm not convinced these are some top secret program. That's too easy of an explanation. A safe one.

If and when we discover for sure that life exists outside our own planet, mankind, this world, everything will change as we know it. Our perception and perspective will forever be altered.

My thought is, if something appears to utilize technology unsupported by science as we know it, then likely it comes from something that understands the Universe better than we do.



p.s. In response to the tracking on radar thing... Either they don't care they are tracked, or they haven't tuned their technology to render their craft invisible to radar. And nothing, not even our own stealth tech, is ever truly "invisible." It is designed in such a way to defeat current technology. See how newer radar technology now is able to see older stealth technology. We aren't vanishing aircraft from the electromagnetic spectrum. If stealth tech isn't tuned to defeat specific bands of radar, it isn't going to work. If they're alien, why would they care about our tech, and if they do, perhaps they were testing it out, hence shadowing military aircraft. In the encounters, notice how sometimes they could detect the craft, while other times they could not. We don't turn our tech on and off. It's on the skin of an aircraft, unless ECM.


This is speculation, of course.

If there weren't limitations, then some of this would be obvious through the laws of physics are they are currently written. Keeping occupants alive inside during sudden shifts of direction and velocity--I can explain that. Moving without propellants or mass shifting thrusters... Well, I can go sci-fi on you, but none of those solutions are supported by existing peer-reviewed science. That kind of science is very hard to hide, no matter who you are, because science is a group effort. Do we have a pocket super genius locked away somewhere? Maybe. But I doubt it.


I think it is unwise to assume that there is no question that these craft are doing things that are really beyond our understanding of physics. I would say that it's very possible that many of the things that have been seen appear to be more remarkable than they are, due to specific circumstances. What they're doing may not actually be as demanding as they appear. Without more information, I think it's difficult to say, which is why I don't think it makes sense to base an entire explanation on a few, relatively lightly informed observations.

Also, either these craft violate the laws of physics or they don't. If they do, then they must be supernatural in nature, and not bound by our universe's laws, and that would go beyond aliens. If they don't, then someone had to figure out how to build them and work within the laws of physics. It was either humans, or someone else. One of the issues with it being someone else is that it simply adds more things that need to be explained. Instead of saying "even though I can't explain it, there are humans who know things we don't," you have to say "even though I can't explain it, there are aliens. And even though I have no evidence to prove it, they are visiting Earth. And even though I can't explain it, they know things we don't." Without any evidence, why add the extra layers?

Saying it's aliens may seem like the more simple answer, but in reality, it adds a lot of complications that need to be explained.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Arthonon

Also, either these craft violate the laws of physics or they don't. If they do, then they must be supernatural in nature, and not bound by our universe's laws, and that would go beyond aliens.


Not true. This assumes we Humans know everything there is about physics, and we don't.

I know this because...


a) We can't explain what nothing is. What is space? Hint: Nothing is probably something, we just don't know what that is.

b) We can't even unify quantum mechanics with general relativity. We have some really good theory, such as M-Theory, but nothing concrete and provable. Yes, even if the math for string theory works, we know no way to actually observe and test what a string is. #%&*$# that pesky planck length.

Hell, we're still arguing if particle physics is the way to go, and that we're not even sure of, because damnable models are still only models and we can make data look like almost whatever we want to fit into whatever we want. So what's to say we are experts in these laws? We're changing our outlook on things in science terms, all the time. (This is a snails pace, by the way, because that's how science works, but relative to time, pretty fast given how long agriculture has existed, and how exponential advances have become since the 20th century).
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 05:31 PM

That's non sequitur. Using laws of physics that someone doesn't understand is not the same as violating them. If we don't understand all of the physical laws, then we can't say whether something violates them. But if they truly exceed all the laws of physics, they would have to be supernatural, as in, not bound by natural laws.

That was a key point I was making - if they adhere to the laws of physics, then someone figured it out. It was either humans or aliens, but someone had to gain that knowledge, and again, if the claim is aliens, then their existence has to be established before that can be a reasonable explanation, otherwise it's simply piling unknowns on top of unknowns.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 06:11 PM

Non sequitur? Oh that's nonsense. If something behaves in a way our laws don't support, we'll say they violate those laws. But that doesn't mean our laws are correct. They're as good as our science and collected data allows.


Not to get too off topic, but one disturbing trend in science these days is to proclaim something is so because "models support this." Models are only as good as the above, but they aren't reality, they're a simulation.



And back to my point, these craft sometimes appear to be operating with technology not possible with our current understanding of physics, based on observations of these craft and their behavior. I have a lot of ideas of how they could work, but many of these ideas violate the law of conservation of energy or depend on spacetime manipulation which would rely on Higgs manipulation--which, only recently was even proven(theorized in 1964, took a while to prove) to exist! There's no way craft were operating utilizing technology dependent on manipulating these bosons before the technology to prove they existed through a multibillion dollar project such as CERN was built and put to use. Unless you agree that the U.S. Government is faster than all of the scientific community, which I doubt.

I'm exceptionally skeptical these craft are our own, but I'm simultaneously skeptical aliens exist--though I hope they may, but have no, as I've said before, tangible evidence to prove this. A picture or video footage is not evidence, especially in today's photoshop age.


There is another way these craft could be operating using existing theory, but the key ingredient to make it work would require violating Newton's third law.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 06:18 PM

I love these alien existence threads because it really makes all the SimHQ members put their serious geek on. biggrin
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Non sequitur? Oh that's nonsense. If something behaves in a way our laws don't support, we'll say they violate those laws. But that doesn't mean our laws are correct. They're as good as our science and collected data allows.

I think you're completely missing my point. I'm saying that if the laws of Universe allow something to happen, then it is very possible that we can figure it out, at some point. If these vehicles are functioning within the physical laws of the universe, someone learned those new things that made it possible. Why is it more likely to be "someone" we have no evidence even exists over "someone" that we have lots of evidence does exist?
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 06:36 PM

Because we'd have lots of scientists speculating publicly how these things operate based on existing science. We don't. Not that I've seen. But I don't even have cable television anymore, nor watch mainstream news, so I might be missing that. I read a hell of a lot though! And I don't see this being mentioned.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Because we'd have lots of scientists speculating publicly how these things operate based on existing science. We don't. Not that I've seen. But I don't even have cable television anymore, nor watch mainstream news, so I might be missing that. I read a hell of a lot though! And I don't see this being mentioned.

I am not sure I follow. Are you saying that because scientists aren't publicly speculating on how these craft work that they must me alien in nature? If so, wouldn't the scientists then be publicly speculating on the nature of the aliens? Wouldn't that be the bigger story?

It seems to me that if the scientists aren't discussing it, they must not feel it's interesting enough to discuss.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 07:36 PM

What I'm saying is no scientists are talking about these craft because...

a) There's no existing tech to discuss that would be in these craft

b) There's no proof for aliens

And scientists don't like to speculate about what hasn't been proven true. That tends to hurt their future ability to procure grants for further research, and hurts their credibility making it harder for them to publish. We reserve that sort of speculation for the realm of science fiction, which I happen to be a part of. wink


We're in opposing camps it seems. You want these craft to be of Earthly origin, but myself, see hints of technology beyond what current settled science supports, thus piquing my interest and adding to my hopes we'll someday discover or encounter true alien life.

I see too much brilliance in how all life on this planet was designed and operates to accept this all came about from a spontaneous formation of self-reproducing protein producing chemicals packaged in a membrane full of dihydrogen monoxide soluble compounds.
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 07:53 PM

Again, you ascribe views to me that aren't mine. I don't want anything. I'm just saying that without evidence, there's no reason to assume something. You have clearly said that you want to believe, which is your prerogative, but that's where we differ. If someone committed a crime, and I wanted it to be someone I didn't like, I don't think I should just assume it was and have them locked up, I should follow the evidence in an objective way. That's all I'm doing here, I am going with the evidence that is available. and there's no evidence that I have seen that shows aliens exist, let alone have been to Earth and, going further, are related to these sightings.
Posted By: Pooch

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/25/19 10:12 PM

"self-reproducing protein producing chemicals packaged in a membrane full of dihydrogen monoxide soluble compounds."

Ha! I dare you to say THAT, three times fast!
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/30/19 12:10 PM

Looks like this "breaking" story has already been discarded by the news media and forgotten about. Any green little men visiting the UN building yet?
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 09/30/19 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Looks like this "breaking" story has already been discarded by the news media and forgotten about. Any green little men visiting the UN building yet?


Any sort of disclosure about this would be done in a controlled and managed way, it could be this news about the 3 videos is a part of this, like a drip feed. People have such low attention spans nowadays they forget these headlines and something else comes along to distract them.

The pilots who saw these things are trained over thousands of hours, are professional observers and if someone like Fravor says he has never seen tech like this, I believe him. I'm not saying its aliens; but if he says the things did things that our engineering cannot yet do then that is something to look into. Yes, I know there is secret tech out there but I believe that Fravor would be able to distinguish between testing of ultra secret aircraft and that of something we cannot engineer.

I'll put it this way : you seem to not believe Fravor's account where he has stated on many occasions he does not think that the thing he saw was "of this world". Tell me with your better wisdom and knowledge than him, what were they? If you have looked into this, you can see Fravor is a well respected pilot and commander, the episode of the Fighter Pilot Podcast with him in changed me from a firm skeptic to someone who now feels maybe there is more to all this stuff. I have looked and haven't found any evidence that he is a shill, in fact he has now gone very quiet about the whole affair due to him not apparently liking all the attention.

https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/episodes/035-ufos/
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/04/19 11:19 PM

Some of the responses here are comedy gold. A group of every day people in 1962 Britain asked if they believe it life exists on other planets. smile

Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/05/19 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Some of the responses here are comedy gold. A group of every day people in 1962 Britain asked if they believe it life exists on other planets. smile





Of course, you mean 1962 Australia if that was a dig towards me 😁
Posted By: Pooch

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/05/19 03:32 AM

"Do you think there is life on other planets?"
"No! I'm German!"
Lol!!!!
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/05/19 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Pooch
"Do you think there is life on other planets?"
"No! I'm German!"
Lol!!!!


That was my favourite one!
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/08/19 01:57 PM

This may be of interest to some: Pilot Who Chased UFO Reveals A Lot More Of The Story

The article links this lengthy video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ

No, I have not watched it.
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/08/19 02:55 PM

It is good, I've listened to the podcast. Though Corbell is irritating in it.
Posted By: Pugio

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/13/19 01:52 PM

Has anyone watched the History channel series that these Navy reports spawned in the summer? A masterclass in chasing shadows and irrational conjecture. We've never been so close to finding the truth...just one more segment...one more episode. Money making and 15 minutes of fame.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/13/19 03:17 PM

Bingo Pugio.

I’m really at a loss for words at how many gullible suckers are still around. PT Barnum was so right.
Posted By: RossUK

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/13/19 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Bingo Pugio.

I’m really at a loss for words at how many gullible suckers are still around. PT Barnum was so right.


So David Fravor is either a liar or saw nothing? Fill me in on what he saw.
Posted By: Ajay

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/15/19 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Bingo Pugio.

I’m really at a loss for words at how many gullible suckers are still around. PT Barnum was so right.



Jump on a bigfoot forum, that stuff will hurt your brain smile
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/16/19 04:55 PM

Something is up in the military...

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...-compact-fusion-reactor-but-will-it-work

Two items worth mentioning in the article:

1) Fusion reactor

2) A friction removing device using an "energy vacuum." Of note, this device requires a "room temperature superconductor."

Both were patents filed by the U.S. Navy and supported by superiors within the organisation.

Granted, I know both of the above are impossible with our current level of technology. We've never achieved net-neutral fusion, and to obtain net-positive fusion with ignition is quite far-fetched. We still rely on tokomak designs which, to date, have never succeeded. So what do we do? Keep making tokomaks. If the previous ones didn't work, a bigger one most certainly will!

[Linked Image]

But that's just what ITER is trying to do. And now, someone in the Navy, has filed a patent going far beyond what ITER could ever dream of...

Huge dose of skepticism here.

And the friction device... Well that was patented, yet requires technology that does not exist. Makes me wonder, ever so slightly. Perhaps... maybe?

[Linked Image]


wink
Posted By: Docjonel

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/25/19 04:49 PM

Clearer USS Nimitz UFO Footage Showed It Had Legs Below Tic Tac body

Not the most reliable source of course, but if the quotes are accurate, this is interesting information on the Tic Tac UFO incident.
Cue theremin music and read on:


Quote
But Jason [Turner, Petty Officer on the USS Princeton] has now said there is an even clearer video out there which shows the craft in a whole new light.

“What the video you see now is just a small snippet,” he told Dave Beaty of The Nimitz Encounters.

“You’re seeing small turns left and right but this thing is so much more than what you see in this video.

“The quality was very clear [in the other video].

“It was always really clear but what you see now is fuzzy and grainy, hardly identifiable.

“The shape of it [was odd] as it had some protruding objects at the bottom of it.

“I couldn’t tell if they were curled back or straight down because I was a good five or 10 feet from the feed.

“But there were definitely legs on it. It was oblong, like a tic-tac.”
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/25/19 05:03 PM

LOL
Posted By: Chucky

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/25/19 08:27 PM

Sounds like one of these. Expect trouble.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Arthonon

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/25/19 08:43 PM

It's a good bet the Empire knows we're here...
Posted By: Crane Hunter

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 10/25/19 08:44 PM

Actual footage of related event.

Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 01/20/20 07:44 PM

Here you go, Haggart!

If You Aren’t Paying Attention to the Latest UFO News, You Really, Really Should Be
Posted By: NoFlyBoy

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 01/20/20 08:24 PM

Everyone knows UFO are just dinner dishes someone tossed in the air.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 01/21/20 01:06 PM

Yawn.


Someone wake me when little green men actually land on Earth. Until then, all of these fluff articles are annoying but also absurdly entertaining.
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 01/21/20 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Yawn.

Someone wake me when little green men actually land on Earth. Until then, all of these fluff articles are annoying but also absurdly entertaining.


Oh now, PM... open your mind up. Maybe they won't be green! There's another theory: Are the aliens us? UFOs may be piloted by time-traveling humans, book argues

Yeah, yeah, I know... The Vulcan Science Directorate says that time travel isn't possible. Maybe they aren't as smart as they logically conclude they are!

<snicker>

In an odd sort of way, the time traveler thesis seems slightly more sensible than the aliens thesis. We know we are here, and technology continues to advance. We (well, some of us) humans are curious about our ancestors... it seems reasonable that our descendants will be too. If they were to eventually figure out time travel, I can see them avoiding contact in an effort to avoid contaminating the time line. I can't explain the claimed abductions and (ahem) probing though... Maybe proctology advances (or not) at a very different rate. rolleyes
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 01/22/20 01:25 PM

Then there is this: Astrobiologist Explains How Invisible Aliens Could Live on Earth

Silicon-based ... So maybe your electronic gadgets spying on you aren't just because of Google/Amazon/Apple... eek
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal - 01/22/20 01:28 PM

These are the kinds of UFO theories that Fox Mulder would have eaten right up!
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