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Restless leg?

Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Restless leg? - 08/17/17 02:03 PM

Anyone dealing with this? Its annoying as hell. I can't find much about it or how to deal with it. Usually happens at bedtime, interfering with getting to sleep, but sometimes during the day too.
I've tried "Restful Legs", a homeopathic snake oil, B12, magnesium...anyone find something that works?
Posted By: sinner6

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 03:30 PM

No joke: riding bicycle has helped me with this.
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 04:00 PM

Actually I think that's what triggers it. LOL
Happened back when I was road riding and started up again when I started at the gym, which includes a good bit of stationary bike. I go every other day and it seems those nights are the worst.
A hot shower helps relax it, but hopping up to take a 2nd shower at 1am kind of sucks.
My diet is probably the best it's ever been in my life, so I shouldn't need the supplements, but I tried anyway.

I wonder if cutting waaay back on caffeine might have something to do with it? I don't get headaches though.
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 04:04 PM

If you trust your doctor, there sure are a lot of pills out there for it.

https://www.drugs.com/condition/restless-legs-syndrome.html
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 04:11 PM

Got an excellent doc, and my regular appointment later this month. I'd rather not experiment with a prescription, doesn't seem like it should require that. There's always a drug company ready to take your money. LOL
Posted By: ADorante

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 04:17 PM

Some years ago I listened to a serious medical public radio show about the restless leg syndrome. Their advice: If it's really RLS then orgasms do help. Get some sex before sleep or at least masturbate. And remember: this is medical advice - so this is SFW.
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 04:21 PM

So just keep kicking your wife at night while in bed, and then site ADorante's advice. I love it. See, this site is still great. biggrin
Posted By: Chucky

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 05:05 PM

I went to the doctor with this years ago after I drove my wife mad,especially in bed. I just could not keep my legs still if I was 'resting'. The doctor said it was RLS and to be honest I thought she was joking. I was sent to my local Boots chemist to be measured up for some surgical stockings which if I'm honest I really didn't want to wear but I did.

Eventually it settled down and so far hasn't returned,fingers crossed (or is that legs crossed?). And yeah,I can sympathise with you,it wasn't a pleasant thing.
Posted By: Dart

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 05:44 PM

Oddly enough, Dorante has the solution for the symptom; vigorous love making for just 45 minutes does help a lot. At a minimum it will allow one's partner to sleep soundly while the other person kicks around. wink

Wife had this. Turns out it wasn't RLS, but a side effect of one of her medications. The pain management specialist switched them out and it went away.
Posted By: Master

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 06:09 PM

Also you could consider getting a different mattress that doesnt transfer movement. There are a bunch of them out there that would let you kick your leg all night without affecting whoever else is on the bed.

There are other things you can do. Exercise and stretch your legs right before bed. Put a heating pad on them or ice pack (extreme temperature changes can reduce movement for a few hours.) No caffeine or sugar for a few hours before bed. Really tight socks or you can get leg wraps with Velcro to adjust the tightness. You can also try one of those sprain wraps you put on writs.

Or just jiggle them legs! That is what I do. Sometimes my wife yells at me for it but ffs sometimes you have to jiggle them!
Posted By: MarkG

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 06:25 PM

Sex, booze and/or WD-40 pretty much fixes any problems (even wasp stings, spray it on the hurt). smile

Seriously, sounds like an irritating affliction. I have a restless leg sometimes when I'm sitting bored, but not when I'm trying to sleep. I don't even notice it but others do if I'm shaking a table.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dart
vigorous love making for just 45 minutes does help a lot.




45 minutes?? What? You think we're all teenagers here or something?
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 07:14 PM

Just get your doctor to write you a prescription for sex. Apply 45 minutes, or as needed daily. Keep it on the night stand.
Posted By: MarkG

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 07:28 PM

Would work better if *she* had the affliction. Like subtly getting a cardiologist to agree that vigorous sex is good for the heart, both figuratively and physically (backed up by hours of online research that says as much). smile

Something we never thought of...

Like medical cannabis, medical...robot sex dolls? Paid for by insurance, of course.
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 07:37 PM

Does anybody ever let your wife's read their posts on this forum ? biggrin
Posted By: cichlidfan

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by LB4LB
Does anybody ever let your wife's read their posts on this forum ? biggrin


I am going to guess, no. smile
Posted By: MarkG

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by LB4LB
Does anybody ever let your wife's read their posts on this forum ? biggrin


Sure, but mine's only interested in write-ups about a vacation, airshow or day downtown, usually a long thread with pics. As long as I behave in real life (and I do), with people we actually know, there's no problem. Employment details (income and stuff) is off limits. Pretty much anything else is ok, if I have doubts, I ask. Maybe a couple of posts over the years would get me into a little trouble (and maybe not), but I pretty much know where the line is drawn.

Then again, I never had children that might go snooping.
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 08:14 PM

Some really good advice here. LOL
"Honey, it's for medical purposes. Yes, I know it happens every night, but it's for science!"

Doesn't bother my wife, we do have a bed that doesn't bounce around. Bugs the crap outta me though, it's like having waaay too much energy in your legs and can't stand it but to "flex" the leg muscles or something to try to shake it out.
45 minutes? We can't go that long without a kid knocking on the door or going to the kitchen. It SUCKS having the master BR off of the kitchen! We should've thought ahead before buying this house. Teenagers eat constantly. LOL
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 08:39 PM

And they hear EVERYTHING ! Unless it is what you want them to hear.
Posted By: malibu43

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Dart
vigorous love making for just 45 minutes does help a lot.




45 minutes?? What? You think we're all teenagers here or something?


I think he meant seconds, not minutes...

Right Dart? (just say yes...) biggrin
Posted By: MarkG

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 09:30 PM

Having parents living with you can be just as nerve-racking, things you'd rather your mother-in-law not hear, but it can happen when you forget she's moved in with you. biggrin

Or getting up to check the thermostat or grabbing a glass of water (clothing irritates me when I sleep) and forgetting that we have temporary or permanent guests. I tried to remember when our parents were in the house (old people use the john a lot), keeping my bathrobe by the bed as a reminder, but sometimes I'd forget and have to make a quick departure from the hallway. Fast forward to recent times...I love my folks but I'm glad their living area is detached from the house, if only by a few feet, as I'm sure they are as well.
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 09:54 PM

My 90 year Dad lives with us. We have always been night owls. He goes to bed at 9 PM every night, and is awake at 6AM every morning. I love having him here (my brothers and sisters and I just feel better that he isn't alone at night), but it is weird sometimes. He gets up a lot at night to use the bathroom. The dog gets up with him too. He thinks we are crazy to be awake in bed and watching TV past midnight. Old people, LOL !
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by LB4LB
And they hear EVERYTHING ! Unless it is what you want them to hear.


They've been told for years that if they knock on the door after 9:00, its their therapy to pay for.
Of course now I can just say " Not now, your moms helping me with my restless leg!" Wink-nudge wink-nudge
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/17/17 10:46 PM

That is funny.
Posted By: Nodak01

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 03:27 AM

Take a bit of salt, wash down with some water, quite a few who run salt deficient diets, and in summer heat you need more. You'll know almost instantly after taking, and if that ain't it, you lost nothing, a most simple fix.
Posted By: Wolfstriked

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 10:58 AM

I have gotten rid of it by magnesium supplements but have had better effect with potassium.bananas,sweet potato and avocado are your friend here.Potassium supplements wont help as its a measly 99mg per pill but you could take alot of them.A banana has 430mg so its easy to get.
Posted By: MarkG

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfstriked
I have gotten rid of it by magnesium supplements but have had better effect with potassium.bananas,sweet potato and avocado are your friend here.Potassium supplements wont help as its a measly 99mg per pill but you could take alot of them.A banana has 430mg so its easy to get.


I eat a banana and avocado daily, a sweet potato about every third day or so. Note that each of these foods are listed at one place or another as natural Viagra, so it fits in nicely with the other advice here. biggrin

My potassium is a little high right now at 5.3 mmol/L (normal is 3.5 - 5.2) per recent blood test, although I'm being told not to worry about it. Just another reason to get myself off the potassium BP medication.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by MarkG


I eat a banana and avocado daily, .



I eat avocados all the time as well but I also put salt and olive oil on them. biggrin
Posted By: MarkG

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by MarkG


I eat a banana and avocado daily, .


I eat avocados all the time as well but I also put salt and olive oil on them. biggrin


That's not so bad, I drown lots of stuff in olive oil, probably why my cholesterol is a little high. Salt, no can do, not with high BP. I had no problem ditching the salt, as long as I have plenty of black pepper. On avocado it works, not so much on watermelon.
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Nodak01
Take a bit of salt, wash down with some water, quite a few who run salt deficient diets, and in summer heat you need more. You'll know almost instantly after taking, and if that ain't it, you lost nothing, a most simple fix.


I'm supposed to avoid salt, so if that can cause it, that might make sense. I never use salt, but of course still get it by other means.
Can't stand avocados, but I do eat a lot of bananas and other sources of potassium. I was cramping up really bad when working out a while back, so now I drink a lot more water and get a lot of potassium and have a magnesium supplement a few times a week.
I'd be surprised if this was diet related with how good I've been for the last few months. Seems like my legs are over stimulated after the stationary bike.
We had some fun last night and it does seem like the RL was less severe, but still enough to be annoying.
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 04:46 PM

I'm sure it can be frustrating. The mattress suggestion sounded like a good idea, but it sounds like your fine on that. Have you been mattress shopping lately. Holy cow, there are some really expensive ones out there . It feels like you are buying a car now. The drugs that are out there now for the condition seem to be a little over the top. My pain management doctor has tried to give me a few on that list. (Major surgery complications and radiation treatment damage to my spine). I just go with the heating pad after a hot shower. The side affects seem far worse than RL. I find a bowl of Salted Caramel Chip ice cream helps me be still.
Posted By: Master

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by LB4LB
I'm sure it can be frustrating. The mattress suggestion sounded like a good idea, but it sounds like your fine on that. Have you been mattress shopping lately. Holy cow, there are some really expensive ones out there . It feels like you are buying a car now. The drugs that are out there now for the condition seem to be a little over the top. My pain management doctor has tried to give me a few on that list. (Major surgery complications and radiation treatment damage to my spine). I just go with the heating pad after a hot shower. The side affects seem far worse than RL. I find a bowl of Salted Caramel Chip ice cream helps me be still.


Also try dill pickle juice. Depending on what is causing it that can help amazingly well.
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by LB4LB
I'm sure it can be frustrating. The mattress suggestion sounded like a good idea, but it sounds like your fine on that. Have you been mattress shopping lately. Holy cow, there are some really expensive ones out there . It feels like you are buying a car now. The drugs that are out there now for the condition seem to be a little over the top. My pain management doctor has tried to give me a few on that list. (Major surgery complications and radiation treatment damage to my spine). I just go with the heating pad after a hot shower. The side affects seem far worse than RL. I find a bowl of Salted Caramel Chip ice cream helps me be still.


No kidding! A decent mattress is ridiculously expensive these days. We looked at those memory foam and adjustable ones. You're right, I've spent less on cars.

Originally Posted by Master
Also try dill pickle juice. Depending on what is causing it that can help amazingly well.


I've heard of that for muscle cramps too.

I need to re-read my prescripts for side effects. I don't take much, but they did put me on a diuretic that could have something to do with it. That relates to the salt issue.
Posted By: LB4LB

Re: Restless leg? - 08/18/17 06:29 PM

I am on two diuretics for post surgical lymph edema. I hate those damn things. Those cause all kinds of issues. RLS could be one for sure. Sometimes my CBC test are low, and I have to take prescription Potassium. Tastes awful. I miss the days of my youth when I could hit Taco Bell at 2AM (after the bars closed), go home and sleep like a baby for 3 or 4 hours and then put in a productive 8 hour day without breaking a sweat. Sigh...........
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/19/17 04:33 AM

I hear ya! I don't mind the water pill, it helped, but it does make me wonder about things like this.
Posted By: Dart

Re: Restless leg? - 08/19/17 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Dart
vigorous love making for just 45 minutes does help a lot.




45 minutes?? What? You think we're all teenagers here or something?


The secret is to take short breaks - no more than a day or two - during love making to ensure longevity.
Posted By: rwatson

Re: Restless leg? - 08/19/17 04:52 PM

I agree with Master,,,, pickle juice,,Which I at first thought was B.S. helped me a lot...I try to avoid prescriptions when ever possible another Vet with leg issues convinced me to at least try it and damn it's working for me..The constant tingling from the knee down cost me many nights sleep
Posted By: ADorante

Re: Restless leg? - 08/20/17 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by rwatson
I agree with Master,,,, pickle juice,,Which I at first thought was B.S. helped me a lot...I try to avoid prescriptions when ever possible another Vet with leg issues convinced me to at least try it and damn it's working for me..The constant tingling from the knee down cost me many nights sleep


I love to dig deep in scientific papers and other sources:

Quote

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19997012#
Journal:
Medicine and science in sports and excercise, 2010 May;42(5):953-61

Reflex inhibition of electrically induced muscle cramps in hypohydrated humans.

Authors:
Miller KC, Mack GW, Knight KL, Hopkins JT, Draper DO, Fields PJ, Hunter I.

Abstract
INTRODUCTION:

Anecdotal evidence suggests that ingesting small volumes of pickle juice relieves muscle cramps within 35 s of ingestion. No experimental evidence exists supporting the ingestion of pickle juice as a treatment for skeletal muscle cramps.

METHODS:

On two different days (1 wk apart), muscle cramps were induced in the flexor hallucis brevis (FHB) of hypohydrated male subjects (approximately 3% body weight loss and plasma osmolality approximately 295 mOsm x kg(-1) H2O) via percutaneous tibial nerve stimulation. Thirty minutes later, a second FHB muscle cramp was induced and was followed immediately by the ingestion of 1 mL x kg(-1) body weight of deionized water or pickle juice (73.9 +/- 2.8 mL).

RESULTS:

Cramp duration and FHB EMG activity during the cramp were quantified, as well as the change in plasma constituents. Cramp duration (water = 151.9 +/- 12.9 s and pickle juice = 153.2 +/- 23.7 s) and FHB EMG activity (water = 60% +/- 6% and pickle juice = 68% +/- 9% of maximum voluntary isometric contraction EMG activity) were similar during the initial cramp induction without fluid ingestion (P > 0.05). During FHB muscle cramp induction combined with fluid ingestion, FHB EMG activity was again similar (water = 55% +/- 9% and pickle juice = 66% +/- 9% of maximum voluntary isometric contraction EMG activity, P > 0.05). However, cramp duration was 49.1 +/- 14.6 s shorter after pickle juice ingestion than water (84.6 +/- 18.5 vs 133.7 +/- 15.9 s, respectively, P < 0.05). The ingestion of water or pickle juice had little impact on plasma composition 5 min after ingestion.

CONCLUSIONS:

Pickle juice, and not deionized water, inhibits electrically induced muscle cramps in hypohydrated humans. This effect could not be explained by rapid restoration of body fluids or electrolytes. We suspect that the rapid inhibition of the electrically induced cramps reflects a neurally mediated reflex that originates in the oropharyngeal region and acts to inhibit the firing of alpha motor neurons of the cramping muscle.


tl;dr
pickle juice stimulates the brain to stop the muscle cramps
Posted By: rwatson

Re: Restless leg? - 08/20/17 10:23 AM

Adorante thanks for the explanation,,never did the research but it works for me
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Restless leg? - 08/20/17 12:34 PM

I read that giving up alcohol or smoking helps. Maybe that's worth trying?
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: Restless leg? - 08/20/17 01:39 PM

Amputation tends to solve these problems, may want to take a look at it.
But like the guy who first replied mentioned, if its not related to medicines you are taking, making exercises like 3 hours before sleep or during the day helps with it,avoiding caffeine and tobacco too..
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/20/17 11:23 PM

I don't smoke and haven't had a drink in months other than a glass of wine a couple weeks ago. No particular reason, just part of what I'm trying to do these days. I'm able to workout in early afternoon. I tried using my TENS device on the worse leg, the right one. Not sure if it really helps or just automates tensing up. LOL
Hasn't been as bad the last few nights.
I appreciate all of the suggestions. Got some pickles, I'll give it a go next time it gets bad.
Posted By: marko1231123

Re: Restless leg? - 08/21/17 12:49 AM

I do occasionally suffer from RLS.
I found eating something about an hour before bed time helped
That and a hot shower. if its really bad .
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: Restless leg? - 08/25/17 03:45 PM

Saw the doc today and asked him about it and any ideas outside of meds.
Some familiar advice! He said to eat some dill pickles, but not drink the juice so much. Salt is still a concern, don't want to over do this.
He mentioned working in more regular yellow mustard in my diet. No problem. Should've asked about the grainier, spicy mustard that I prefer.
Also said I might want to look into a post-workout supplement that contains tumeric(?) and circumen(?). May have those spelled wrong, I haven't pulled it up yet.
I didn't ask about the get-some-lovin' fix, I think we can all just accept that as a cure all. thumbsup

edit
*turmeric and curcumin are the proper spellings.
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