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IL-2 BoS 50% off

Posted By: Bib4Tuna

IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 03:38 PM



http://store.steampowered.com/app/307960/
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 03:40 PM

I think I may finally take the plunge and get it. It's been way too long since I've flown a WWII sim.
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 04:11 PM

Same prices on their site.

https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-stalingrad/

Keep in mind you cant mix their copy and steam copies so if you want to combine copies (BoS and BoM for instance into one package with all planes and arenas) you need to have all versions from the same place. They only do their preorders on their site so if you think you might ever pick up a preorder of Kuban or the Pacific (when it comes out) you might pick up the game from their site instead of steam.
Posted By: Bib4Tuna

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 04:14 PM


Thanks for the heads up, Master.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 04:14 PM

Thanks for that tip Master.


I have one question. Does IL-2 BOS currently support a full fledged cooperative MP mode like what we had in IL-2 1946?
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 04:21 PM

No, (from what I remember) it's system is more like RoF (post MP expansion). The game really is just WWII RoF IMO. Not a bad thing but it doesnt really expand much. I do admit though that I am not an expert on this game. They may have changed a lot of things since last I played (BoS beta when they #%&*$# everyone over and I rage quit). You might need to venture onto their forums to figure out the correct answer to your question.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 04:23 PM

Are the online servers active, like IL-2's were, back in the day? Especially during United States prime time hours?
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Master
No, (from what I remember) it's system is more like RoF (post MP expansion). The game really is just WWII RoF IMO. Not a bad thing but it doesnt really expand much. I do admit though that I am not an expert on this game. They may have changed a lot of things since last I played (BoS beta when they #%&*$# everyone over and I rage quit). You might need to venture onto their forums to figure out the correct answer to your question.



Well, ROF fully supports cooperative missions so if IL-2 BOS has that same setup then that's good enough for me. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't like Cliffs of Dover where all you can do is head to head dogfights.
Posted By: ADorante

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 05:13 PM

I fly exclusively single-player, so take everything I'll say on Co-Op in the following paragraphs with a grain of salt:

1. In the beginning lack of decent co-op modes in IL-2 BOS caused a lot of disappointed postings in the official forum.
2. The producer(s) and developers of IL-2 BOS got better at communicating with the community, managing better understanding of what can be expected from them with their limited resources (time, manpower, money)
3. They are listening to the community.
4. They are implementing wishes of the community inside the limits of their resources.
5. Greenlighted wishes have been communicated in this developer entry #120 here. Some are already implemented in some program updates that arrived earlier than most guys and gals expected.
6. This developer diary entry #135 talks about the coming multiplayer updates for IL-2 CO-OP and deathmatch.

Go buy every promising sim - we, the community, don't need to fight each other (that's what the virtual battlefield's for)!

"It's not advertisement - it's advise!" biggrin
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 06:37 PM

So is that a yes or no to coop in game.

Yes you can use the RoF map editor for coop but its not the same style as the old one life all on one side coop that the original RoF had. BoS (at least at first) only had the DM style MP with AI. You could make scripted coop missions but it wasnt exactly the same. I dont know if that has changed though. It looks at least like they plan to change it if it's not already.

Does anyone know if they plan to allow players to control ships? They did the tanks which is really cool in BoS but once kuban and Pacific come out it would be really cool to control the ships even if it was just like the way Aces high does it.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 06:43 PM

Thanks for that info Master. I still don't understand why both CLOD and IL-2 BOS didn't just improve upon the Coop MP from IL-2 1946.


It seems like a no-brainer to me.
Posted By: Coot

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 07:52 PM

I bought this over a year ago but have such little time in it. Did I read someone's post correctly and the same team is working on a Pacific sim? Or just a Pacific theater? I guess I've been out of the loop.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 07:58 PM

So how dead are the multiplayer servers in US prime time?
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 08:07 PM

It doesnt have enough players to make the standard steam stats page but there is this.

http://steamcharts.com/search/?q=stalingrad

That doesnt include people who play off steam. Says there are 161 steam players right now (3:30pm CST).
0/12
4/64
2/32
0/30
24/84
0/16
1/32
16/32
9/84
2/24
0/84
0/32
0/12
2/16
6/12
1/15
0/42
0/32
32/84
3/15
39/74
0/84
8/50
0/32
71/84
0/60
0/64

Total 221 people in MP (give or take) Several high capacity servers even at 3:30pm. Ill check back later tonight.

Says there is a 5gig patch but ill log in after patching it and give a read of the numbers around 7pm tonight (us prime time)
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Coot
I bought this over a year ago but have such little time in it. Did I read someone's post correctly and the same team is working on a Pacific sim? Or just a Pacific theater? I guess I've been out of the loop.


Their goal is a pacific game. Right now their next game is Battle of Kuban

https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-kuban/

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25072-announcing-battle-kuban-and-development-plan/#entry385578

Then

Battle of Midway
Battle of Okinawa
Battle of ... (undetermined)

The Kuban is basically the Crimea peninsula so they want to flesh that out and work on their "water tech" with that release before jumping into Midway for a full pacific release. Everything is subject to change mind you and they are not the most rock solid company for meeting goals/deadlines and appeasing their clients.
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 08:53 PM

At some point it is going to seem like I am ranting... but one more thing to note.

RoF had a massive failure because it limited the maps you could play to maps you had bought. You could play with people flying planes you didnt own but if a map you didnt own came into rotation it would boot you out.

It would appear that they fixed this for BoS and etc. I can load into the Moscow summer map just fine and I only own the BoS game. This means that you dont have to own all the games to play online MP. You just need one of the planes being run and most maps (logged into the top 5) had BoS stock planes for people even in games that were running other maps.

This is #%&*$# amazing for a flight sim! I cant even begin to say how good of a thing this is for the IL-2 community. The release of the channel map was the death nail in the coffin for RoF IMO. By giving everyone the maps even if they dont buy the new game they have ensured the longevity of the MP community. This alone almost restores my faith in them as a company. I might have to buy the other expansions now.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 11:27 PM

How long is it on sale for?

Also, is there a way to avoid the experience bar?
Posted By: piper

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/06/17 11:32 PM

Not sure I know what you mean by the "experience bar", but since Jason took over 1C, the stupid-ass lockouts are gone.

And for ranting, Master gave a pretty accurate description. It's fun and getting better. And can't wait for the Pacific Theater.
Posted By: Sokol1

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 12:18 AM

Times of IL-2:46 HyperLobby COOP is thing of past. It's over, it's not coming back.

BoS allow COOP - but in that RoF way and the mission maker need good time in their Mission Builder for create a COOP mission (or other kind of mission), dealing with dozens/hundred of triggers.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/28025-wwcoop-wing-walkers-server/

Quote
I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't like Cliffs of Dover where all you can do is head to head dogfights.


CloD AGC server host missions "B of B" focused that is much more than "head to head doghfights", HRCOD War campaign is COOP like the old IL-2:46 SEOW COOP campaigns.

Part of the COOP problem in actual games is how the players look at this. smile

Because the "il-2:46 HyperLobby COOP is thing of the past. It's over, it's not coming back." wink
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 12:32 AM

Is there a dynamic campaign for single player?
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 12:44 AM

74 people in MP at 7:30pm but it is a Thursday so that might affect the numbers some.
Posted By: Coot

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 02:56 AM

Thanks for the info. I might reinstall BoS and give it a try again. I'm definitely all for the Pacific! I would adore a Grumman cat and carriers with their treatment.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Master
74 people in MP at 7:30pm but it is a Thursday so that might affect the numbers some.



Now that's what I call a niche audience! biggrin
Posted By: Jedi Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 04:06 PM

What I want is simple.

I fire up the game. I click MP, I click Host Coop, I pick a plane, one or two friends connects, we pick a mission, we fly.

Il-2 46 and before allowed this. RoF allows this. DCS allows this.

CloD does not. BoS/BoM does not (yet).



The Jedi Master
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 04:07 PM

+1 Jedi
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 04:58 PM

Well I bought the Ju52 (sucker for that plane from warbirds AH days) so ill probably be checking out the game again if nothing more than to tool around in that plane for a bit.
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/07/17 11:37 PM

6:30 Friday central (gmt-6) 37 people...
Posted By: Falstar

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/08/17 12:25 AM

I'm too lazy to research when the Pacific theater is coming out. Any idea? I'm on the fence on BoS. If it was $5.00 less then yes. Any idea when the "sale" is over? Really trying to justify it...
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/08/17 01:02 AM

Sale ends April 15th I think.

Friday 8pm gmt-6 75ish players
Posted By: TychosElk

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/08/17 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Falstar
I'm too lazy to research when the Pacific theater is coming out. Any idea? ..


I don't think the developers have come up with any sort of estimated date yet, but given that BoK development isn't scheduled to finish until December this year, I'd be surprised if we see much Pacific content before the end of next year, and I suspect it may be well into 2019 before it's all done. So far, they have been releasing aircraft etc as and when they become ready, but with a whole new theatre, and the need to develop carrier operation technology, that may not be so feasible. This is guesswork on my part though, and you'll probably have to wait until BoK is complete before we get any more solid information.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/08/17 06:07 PM

So, with this on sale, how much should I expect to have to spend in addition to the base game to get a decent experience that I would call a full product? I have always been hesitant to buy BoS for numerous reasons--the leveling up to unlock stuff was a big one, but the cost was another. I have Cliffs of Dover, btw, but that game... is well, remains broken, even with the ATAG mods--which are wonderful, and those guys are awesome, but the AI remains badly broken and the campaign possibilities for single player are limited. I'd rather avoid another "dead" feeling game. I miss sims that feel alive, like Falcon 4.0 does (sorta... dynamic campaign helps a LOT), or EAW, or SWOTL, or Red Baron.
Posted By: BD-123

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/09/17 09:49 AM

I have the sim to support the genre; I can't run it on my ancient kit though.

I have noticed a drift back to IL2 1946 online, and I suppose that would be reflected offline with the terrific opus magnum BAT mod pack that was recently released.
Probably due to the huge number of scenarios and aircraft variants I'd warrant.

Looking at the server figures above, I don't suppose we will ever see the like of the glory days of IL2 on Hyperlobby, when I had to hang around hoping that someone would drop out and bring it under the thousand player limit so I could join.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/10/17 11:25 AM

So even on a Friday night the servers didn't have over 100 players and this is the ENTIRE world we are talking about here, not just one country.


Sad.
Posted By: Jedi Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/10/17 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
So, with this on sale, how much should I expect to have to spend in addition to the base game to get a decent experience that I would call a full product? I have always been hesitant to buy BoS for numerous reasons--the leveling up to unlock stuff was a big one, but the cost was another. I have Cliffs of Dover, btw, but that game... is well, remains broken, even with the ATAG mods--which are wonderful, and those guys are awesome, but the AI remains badly broken and the campaign possibilities for single player are limited. I'd rather avoid another "dead" feeling game. I miss sims that feel alive, like Falcon 4.0 does (sorta... dynamic campaign helps a LOT), or EAW, or SWOTL, or Red Baron.



Depends on your definition of "full". Either BoS or BoM comes with all the maps and a set of 8 planes. Each offers 2 "premium" planes that were not central to those conflicts but are nice additions. You can still play without them.

The other difference is buying BoS gets you the BoS campaigns and single missions and likewise for BoM. So while you can fly the BoS planes on any map in MP or quick missions, if you don't own BoM you can't fly them in BoM campaigns.

By what I consider a reasonable definition, BoS and BoM (and the soon to come BoK) are all full sims. You get a set of planes, single and multiplayer, maps, and assets the player does not control to fight against or alongside.

Contrast this with ED's WWII plans, where any WWII plane you buy is only usable on a single map without era representative map assets and only a small number of appropriate planes to fly alongside or against, and WWII maps are extra and WWII assets are extra. For DCS, a WWII experience will run you roughly 2x what it costs for BoS or BoM at full price, and that will be flying just one plane not 8. With this sale you can get all the 20+ planes and all campaigns for Il-2 currently available for roughly the same amount.
That said, I do like ED's MP situation more at the moment as someone who enjoys flying coop.




The Jedi Master
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/10/17 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Jedi Master


Contrast this with ED's WWII plans, where any WWII plane you buy is only usable on a single map without era representative map assets and only a small number of appropriate planes to fly alongside or against, and WWII maps are extra and WWII assets are extra. For DCS, a WWII experience will run you roughly 2x what it costs for BoS or BoM at full price, and that will be flying just one plane not 8. With this sale you can get all the 20+ planes and all campaigns for Il-2 currently available for roughly the same amount.
That said, I do like ED's MP situation more at the moment as someone who enjoys flying coop.

The Jedi Master



Im not sure that is a fair assessment or at least it is not worded very well.

They have two DCS terrains right now and soon to be 3. You can fly the planes on any of the terrains assuming you own then. You get the first one for free then have to buy the nevada terrain and wwii france terrain. I am sure that is what you means (about 1 free terrain) but it just seemed like it read that the wwii planes could only be flown on the wwii terrain which isnt true.

But you are right. DCS is hellishly expensive.

DCS:World is free but... you have to buy the wwii planes at 20-60 bucks a pop. Then the WWII terrain at 30... then the wwii asset pack at another 30. (preorder both together for 47)

But the planes in DCS are modeled better than BoS series by far IMO. I do like the way BoS is doing their sales though. The maps and assets are free (as it should be) and you just buy the planes and campaigns. I do think their stand alone planes are too expensive though. 24 to preorder the ju52 is kind of a joke... (but I still paid it...)

I really liked the way they did RoF. buy all the planes individually or in a package and they were all really cheap compared to BoS and DCS. But they #%&*$# it up by making you buy the new terrains which fractured the community and killed the game.

Interestingly enough though

BoS seems to have main peak players in european time zone.

BoS
3pm on a monday: 281 players

DCS
3pm monday: 396

DCS tends to have almost twice or more the numbers as BoS and I imagine that will skyrocket once the wwii stuff is fully out (terrain and map.) But DCS contains a wider variety of content so it makes sense that more people will be in there.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/10/17 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jedi Master
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
So, with this on sale, how much should I expect to have to spend in addition to the base game to get a decent experience that I would call a full product? I have always been hesitant to buy BoS for numerous reasons--the leveling up to unlock stuff was a big one, but the cost was another. I have Cliffs of Dover, btw, but that game... is well, remains broken, even with the ATAG mods--which are wonderful, and those guys are awesome, but the AI remains badly broken and the campaign possibilities for single player are limited. I'd rather avoid another "dead" feeling game. I miss sims that feel alive, like Falcon 4.0 does (sorta... dynamic campaign helps a LOT), or EAW, or SWOTL, or Red Baron.



Depends on your definition of "full". Either BoS or BoM comes with all the maps and a set of 8 planes. Each offers 2 "premium" planes that were not central to those conflicts but are nice additions. You can still play without them.

The other difference is buying BoS gets you the BoS campaigns and single missions and likewise for BoM. So while you can fly the BoS planes on any map in MP or quick missions, if you don't own BoM you can't fly them in BoM campaigns.

By what I consider a reasonable definition, BoS and BoM (and the soon to come BoK) are all full sims. You get a set of planes, single and multiplayer, maps, and assets the player does not control to fight against or alongside.

Contrast this with ED's WWII plans, where any WWII plane you buy is only usable on a single map without era representative map assets and only a small number of appropriate planes to fly alongside or against, and WWII maps are extra and WWII assets are extra. For DCS, a WWII experience will run you roughly 2x what it costs for BoS or BoM at full price, and that will be flying just one plane not 8. With this sale you can get all the 20+ planes and all campaigns for Il-2 currently available for roughly the same amount.
That said, I do like ED's MP situation more at the moment as someone who enjoys flying coop.




The Jedi Master


Thanks for the details. Seems like a reasonable deal. How random are the campaigns or single missions? I tend to memorize stuff quickly so I'm hoping I can avoid the replay and "oh look, all the enemy positions and timing and everything else is the same" syndrome.
Posted By: Falstar

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/10/17 10:27 PM

#%&*$#, looks like the sale is over. Just when the credit card was feeling warm. It cooled off quickly.
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/10/17 10:43 PM

Steam sale is over but the sale on their website goes until April 15th

https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-stalingrad/
Posted By: Jedi Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/11/17 01:15 PM

They're random but based on a template. So while things are never exactly the same and you can't memorize things in an attempt to get by like a scripted mission, every bomber intercept mission is generally the same in that you fly to target location and engage bombers and escorts. Usually on egress you will run into friendlies and enemies mixing it up unrelated to your mission, which you can either engage with or just run past if you are damaged/winchester. It's the same old story--scripted missions are involved and interesting, but become dull to replay because they're always the same, while the random missions are always different but never THAT different. smile

Also, Pat Wilson made a CG like he did for RoF that is more complex at the cost of needing a better PC to handle the missions it makes. If you've used it for ROF you know what to expect there.

As for DCS, yeah, you can fly a WWII plane on the Black Sea map...but I can't bear to do it. Outside a pure A2A mission dogfighting, as soon as you get close to the ground you're reminded you've pulled a Final Countdown and are fighting the Axis in the 1990s or something.

Bottom line--if you want to fly say an A-10 or Mirage 2000 in a modern day map, it costs you the price of that module (whatever it is at the time) and that's it. The map, assets, and full roster of appropriate aircraft are included.
If you want to fly a P-51 or Fw190 in WWII, it costs you the plane, the map, and the assets. Only the planes to populate the world are free, but there aren't many of them right now so it's a bit anemic as you can't even fly bomber intercepts.

So, price of entry for "authentic" WWII experience in DCS is much higher than BoS or BoM even when they're not on sale and that only gets you ONE flyable. It may be modeled better, but IMO it's not modeled 8x better. That's why I don't recommend DCS for people looking for WWII flying right now, unless they have a group that flies coop that also has all the WWII stuff and has a DCS mission maker in it. Then they can be in a group that makes their own WWII missions and flies them together and THEN I think it would be worth paying the extra as that experience cannot be duplicated in BoS/M right now.



The Jedi Master
Posted By: Master

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/15/17 03:02 PM

Today is the last day for the sale. Though I am sure they will have another one in a few months.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/17/17 03:31 AM

Sale is still on. I feel I should buy it to support the industry if anything. Just wish they had a dynamic campaign like RoF. frown
Posted By: kludger

Re: IL-2 BoS 50% off - 04/21/17 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Sale is still on. I feel I should buy it to support the industry if anything. Just wish they had a dynamic campaign like RoF. frown


I just bought this myself thanks to the sale and them adding VR which has gotten good reviews.

Pat Wilson's campaign generator has also gotten good reviews for it:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/19183-introducing-pat-wilson-campaign-generator-bos/

I installed it but haven't tried it yet, for now I'm lucky if I can take off without spinning and losing part of the wing nevermind campaign missions.
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