Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?

Also, what is the proper protocol for dropping fuel tanks - max speed? Do you ever return to base with empty fuel tanks or always jettison before returning to base?

Anything carted for jettison so tanks, bombs, rocket pods but not missiles.

Selective Jettison (S-J) is OSB#11 on the SMS page.

Does selective jettison then override the normal jettison command, as in;

pre-selective jet, the button dumps 'all the heavy stuff'

post-select jet, the jettison command key jets what ever you profiled via the select jet page.

PS. regarding dropping the tanks. Even though stores don't cost actual money in BMS, the squadron stores are limited, and I have gotten to a point in one campaign where the 370 gal tanks supply was running low. Fortunately they didn't run out, but that's a thing to watch out for. I'm not entirely sure how squadron stores are set in the BMS Korea theater, but IRL it's possible that a squadron might not have one pair of wing tanks and one centerline tank for each and every aircraft in the squadron, as it's very rare or even downright impossible that every single jet will be in the air at the same time. So you can imagine that if you drop them in every mission they will run out very quickly.

The F-16 block 50 and block 52 in BMS are able to carry 7162 lbs of JP5/8 fuel internally.

1. concerns real world procedure. You guys wrote you'd only drop them in an emergency situation. How do you define such a situation? Does fighting other fighters, or avoiding anti-air already count as such?

I usually put the fuelindicator on external tanks during ramp and when empty I pop them off rarely having to think of their being or not when things go hot.

The "simulated" stabs be damned! My "simulated" logistics and maintenance staff will have a new one on before the next "simulated" mission.

Here's my impression of what the "uber realism" crowd deserve in a sim (we'll assume Balkans Camp):

Day 1
First, no time compression. You have to spend an hour in a briefing screen, where you are given all your ident, target intel, tanker, nav, radio, codewords and ROE (let's say a searching alt of 10,000 and an attack alt of 15,000. Only green miltary vehicles may be targeted and if there is a structure within 1000m of yout target you must call for clearance to attack..if you violate this during the mission you can't fly for 2 days in the campaign).

Next you spend 20 mins in a maintenance screen where you look over the logs on your jet and do a "simulated" preflight.

Finally you get into the jet to ramp start. After 30 mins you are scrubbed for weather and told to stand down for the day. You have to leave the sim running until 24 hours has passed. total time elapsed for no flying time: 1h 50m.

Day 2

Repeat all of the above. Take-off. 45 mins to tanker. 20 mins at tanker. 45 mins to target area....nothing there. an AFAC directs you to a lone APC in a revetment on the side of a hill, but by the time you get there weather has socked it in, and you're low on gas. 45 mins back to tanker. 20 mins at tanker. 45 mins back to target area. You see a red vehicle drive into a town and set it on fire and leave. due to your ROE's (which state only green military vehicles can be hit) you call for target approval. After 30 mins ABCCC calls denying permission to attack. 45 mins back to tanker. 20 mins at tanker. 45mins back to home base. Total elapsed time for no ordinance dropped: 8hr 45m.

Day 3

you look at a CSAR alert screen for 12 hours...no calls.


Sound fun?? No, it sounds like work. Like a job that only a highly trained and motivated person would or could do. I don't know about you but I fly falcon for fun in the time I have for such pursuits. I like the feeling that I am learning and employing real-world systems and tactics, but in the end I know it's a far cry from what it actually takes to leave my family and friends for months and strap on the jet everyday and get shot at.

So while you decry that some of us want what YOU consider an unrealistic mav loadout. Ask yourself where is your "reality" threshold?

Real World bring em home unless tactical requirements to drop, they cost $$ afterall

Well, the discussion had absolutely nothing to do with mods or their friends until they chose to step in. Even the guy I was "arguing" with thought that the thread was fine and didn't need mod intervention.

Still better than the DCS forums though!

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comparing to the ed forum... i can only say sorry to you dcs scrubs.

yet while it might be effective to use bms as a means to bash dcs, free community modding has its own problems.

Too far away to befriend (personally), not good at ass-kissing plus difficult over written medium, and BMS devs don't take bribes. Therefore, blackmail is the only option

I know RL situations where that works too!

@ ice

still

It aint right to ban any1 the way they banned you,moderaters dont matter,its bms forums and they BMS run those forums...

just saying.

I meant i know rL situation where bms dev does take bribe. They just dont tell you and says they dont thats all.

Oh bribery is an art. In a non-captalistic system, this is done exquisitely o.O

For a start, "take it to PMs".

Hmmm... was Blu3wolf banned as well? I was hoping it was just me.

However, their "banning" process isn't the same as DCS. It's more of a "time out" really, like you're getting on the nerves of the moderators and they've had enough of you for now so they're giving you some "alone time." Whether this is justified or not is a different matter. Like I said, me and Blu3wolf thought there was no need for the mods to step in and I even tried to continue the discussion on a more productive route but I guess the mods wanted the thread dead regardless of whether there was still a discussion-worthy question. Has the thread been locked?

Schwalbe did hit the nail on the head on his post. If we can use the reason "it's their forum and their rules" for DCS, I can't see why we can't use the same for BMS. Even more important, as he mentioned, the people who are members of the BMS forum are not really "customers" but rather mod-users. The BMS devs do their own work, maintain the forum, pay the bills, etc. so I can totally see the "behave yourself or else" justification. I will say that it is a forum that is open for debates, just make sure you "behave" yourself once a mod steps in They even have a DCS thread that got heated, people got banned for a while, thread got locked, but then after a while the thread was re-opened but because of that action, nobody very much bothers to debate in that thread. Not worth getting banned on a BMS forum for discussing DCS.

Totally no like ED forums where people have to tread on eggshells and there's the tongue-in-cheek-but-all-too-true "please don't ban me" statements. You don't see these on BMS forums.