Rudder Pedals ( like BF109F)

Hi all.
I would like to show my rudder pedals.


-axes – 3.
-18+4 ball-bearings.
- possibility of regulation of distance between platforms of pedals – 350 mm. 380 mm. and 410 mm.
- a working course – 160 mm. 175 mm. and 190 mm. respectively.
-a working angle of the wheel brake – 27 degrees
-possibility of regulation of slope angle of a site of a pedal – 30, 37, 44 and 50 degrees.
- length of a site of a pedal – 270, 280 and 290 mm.
-a material – steel, aluminum.
- electronic includes digital and analog sensors based on the effect of magnetic resistance.
-overall dimensions – 460x260x220 mm.
- mass – 6000 grams.

Very nice saw it earlier on russian forum !

Really cool Slaw! How does the transition feel over the neutral point with this mechanism? No backlash?

MM

Look excellent.
@VO101MMaister...it's rendering, it's hard to feel from rendering. But you can ask VKB owners as it uses same principle. I only talked to simped owners which use same principle but different construction. Simped owners told me that center is really felt but it's non intrusive...and there is some backlash when you fast change direction...it's felt.

As I can see...there is also implemented 2x spring positions for different tension, nice.

Congrats on your design.

))) But it is a real...










It was in a jule 2012. It is model Nr. 2. On rendering model Nr. 3. I using my pedals 1 year, and NO BACKLASH. Little transition over the neutral point is feeling, but it need for simulators.
In model 3 is 2 pozitions of spring and 3 pozitions of screw = 6 different loads with 1 spring.

Really neat design Slaw. The pedal bodies are also very nicely replicated from sheet metal!

Thank you very much.

I see you went for the cheap version :-) just kidding tm should package those with the warthog as they look like they are in the same class. That class being Expensive but worth it.

I am amazed sir! OUTSTANDING work!

This project commercial.
Now I prepare small party of pedals (some pieces). It will allow me to determine the price precisely.
It is interesting to see your opinion concerning the price....

Hi.
It is the short test of pedals after 1 year of use.

Hi all.
Another little test of electronics.

Electronics look like a top class, congrats

Because it a top class. I can help to make your pedals better. If you want.

That's very impressive! I am looking at upgrading from my Saitek combat peddals as I can hardly bear with its build quality to be honest. Do you intend to sell units? Concerning the price, the new star in town apparently are these MFG crosswind pedals that you must have heard of, the price of these is about 250 euros IIRC, that product would be, as far as I know, your only competitor, so if you can align your price to be competitive towards that product I think it would be a good move to occupy the market.

I know I'd be interested in buying your pedals, they look very comfortable, reliable and precise.

Hi Ethaor.
The price of my pedals is 275 euro.

Czesc Slaw,

Thanks for you answer, 275 euros is definitly in my price range. I am balancing 3 products right now, the new MFG Crosswind, VKB pedals if I can ever find some specs and more info on their various set of pedals, and yours. The MFG Crosswind are quite impressive in terms of features, adaptability and precision but I am having a hard time spending that kind of money in a non-metal hardware, how does your design compares to the MFG Crosswind?

What electronic/sensor type do you use exactly and their precision? You mention "digital and analog sensors based on the effect of magnetic resistance" How does it compares to Hall sensors and magnetoresistive sensors?

Also is there any video or website available that showcase your product? Showing its various features and look/design in a video would be a great marketing tool for your product to gain some more visibility.

Thanks for your insight!

Hi.
About sensors. The Hall sensor - grandfather, magnetoresistive sensors (mi analog sensors) - father, digital magnetoresistive sensor - the next generation of sensors.
I have not website, for the present.

Shipping to US?
John

Hello,

How much for pedals and shipping to the U.S.? I will have some funds for this sometime in Feb/early March.

Thanks!

Would be very very interested in these as well when you are ready to sell. When will that be?

Add me to the list. I see a christmas present to myself coming on

Could you give me dimensions for the pedels? Specifically width at widest point. Metric measurements are fine.

I think in end of Nowember i will have some pieces.
About shiping costs in other countries i tell later.

Brigstock you are in :-)

Measurements

Wow. Very nice workmanship! Congrats.

I'll keep an eye on this thread for progress

Thank you. Please count me in. It should just fit in my Obutto with modifications to my frame.

Slaw, any way to convert to gameport? I've got a HOTAS Cougar and want to plug them right in there...

525 mm is a max, min. is a 465 mm.

Yes...I figured the minimum based on some of the data from your previous post plus the data in your diagram. Thanks!

No.
Gameport will deprive of pedals of all advantages.

Hi, very impressive design!
Can i somehow mount the pedals a bit more narrower? My Obutto pit is limited in pedal width, there is no way to tell if it will fit without modification.

Or perhaps somebody can post pictures or does have experience with these used on the pedal tray of an Obutto r3volution?

In this post http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3852591/Re_Rudder_Pedals_like_BF109F#Post3852591 525 - is a max, but 465 is a min

I have a set on the way to me right now.

Can't wait to have them set up

Missed out on the last one because of you haha. I'm on the list for the next batch.
Let us know how the setup went please?

Hi Slaw, quick question.
Are the pedals auto-calibrating or do you use the windows gamecontroller calibration?

Drallem.

Hi, Drallem.
Auto calibrating, you only Put and Fly.

Will do

I have my pedals woot!!
Posted this in my Squadron forum


Have set them up now.

I'm blown away by them. I really am.

I thought my Simpeds were good. These are so much better.
The pedal stop is where the input stops, no dead zone at the end of the pedal travel here. 100% of the pedal travel is 100% of the input...bang on!
Pedals are nice and weighty at about 6 kilos, that adds to the solid feel of them. Movement is smooth as silk, no play at all in any axis.

Taking some photos and settling down to do some serious testing now.
I'll post more at the weekend.

I can only add at the moment that they are worth every single penny. Blown my old Simpeds out of the water.
Get yourselves on the waiting list these are fecking good.

Yes, but can I mount the pedals more to the inside to make them narrower or do you mean they are narrower during movement (which would be somewhat obvious due to the design) ?

-axes – 3.
-18+4 ball-bearings.
- possibility of regulation of distance between platforms of pedals – 350 mm. 380 mm. and 410 mm.
- a working course – 160 mm. 175 mm. and 190 mm. respectively.
-a working angle of the wheel brake – 27 degrees
-possibility of regulation of slope angle of a site of a pedal – 30, 37, 44 and 50 degrees.
- length of a site of a pedal – 270, 280 and 290 mm.
-a material – steel, aluminum.
- electronic includes digital and analog sensors based on the effect of magnetic resistance.
-overall dimensions – 460x260x220 mm.
- mass – 6000 grams.

I can confirm that there are 3 positions for the width of the pedals. I have mine mounted on the inner mounts and even that gives a comfortably wide foot placement. I'm going to look at setting the peal angle as my seat is quite low to the floor and I'd like the angle t be a little steeper.

Hi Brigstock.
You have a 3 mounting position. By default, it was 30 degrees.
You can also set
[i]-axes – 3.
-18+4 ball-bearings.
- possibility of regulation of distance between platforms of pedals – 350 mm. 380 mm. and 410 mm.
- a working course – 160 mm. 175 mm. and 190 mm. respectively.
-a working angle of the wheel brake – 27 degrees[/i]
-possibility of regulation of slope angle of a site of a pedal – 30, 37, 44 and 50 degrees.
- length of a site of a pedal – 270, 280 and 290 mm.
-a material – steel, aluminum.
- electronic includes digital and analog sensors based on the effect of magnetic resistance.
-overall dimensions – 460x260x220 mm.
- mass – 6000 grams.
_________________________

Yeah i know.

I have placed them in my pit using default settings.
After a little use the width is fine but I need to use the adjustment features of the pedals to make the slope of the pedals steeper.

Hoi Brigstock.
How is the center feel and how stiff are the springs?
(I'm coming from CH pedals here. Nice pedals but crappy centering and limp springs.)

Hi Freddy

I posted a review in the controller forum. But a quick answer for you. Centre is solid and spring tension adjustable I have it on the weakest setting and it is comparable to my old CH and Simpeds, Except it can be adjusted

I wish I would have known about these when I was in Warsaw over the spring. It would have been nice to go look at them. Of course my plate was a little bit full, and not just with pierogi.

I'm going back in 2015, might have to see if I can stuff one of those in my carryon. You gonna give a fly to Poland discount?

@Slaw
AUTOCALIBRATION! cheers for that..

@Brigstock
Good to know that you can go beyond the CH pedals spring tension which is definitely on the weak side for me.
Thanks for the review, nice to see some pictures from your simpit. Clean setup BTW. Very classy. Did you build the side console yourself?

Freddy, yep the console is a home made effort. Uses 2 Saitek quadrants, a saitek trim wheel and a switch panel working off a Bodnar board. Looks better in the photos than it is in real life. But it does what it is supposed to do. I don't need to touch the keyboard once in flight.

A quick test in the workshop.
Sorry for the bad quality.

Looking forward to getting my set at the end of February, Slaw.


Cheers,

Flying Colander

@Flying_Colander....you won't regret buying these pedals

OK, money in hand. How do I get on "the list"?

I think the next batch will be ready in March (maybe at the end of February). At this party already have buyers. I think that by the end of March (early April) I'll have the next batch. Then I will tell you. I just do not want to make promises - it's just a hobby. I do not know how much free time I'll have.
Regards.
Slaw

I can wait for quality work like this. I'm using Saitek combat pro pedals at the moment, and while the precision has been sorely lacking in BoS it'll work well enough till your vastly superior alternative is ready.

Just let me know when to send you money and how much!

really like your pedal design and materials…
I do have some questions:

1. What is on the bottom of the rudder pedals? I have wood floors and Im concerned with them sliding or scratching the floor.
2. I assume that these have independent toe breaks because of the 3 axes and springs I see on the pedals. Are they also hall effect devices?
3. What are the dimensions fore and aft when the pedals are fully depressed? It looks to have a long throw, which Im concerned about.
4. Are you considering a shorter throw design for those of use up against a wall under our desks?
5. Are you considering pedal designs for other aircraft, such as F16 or Spitfire?

Thanks

AV8R

Hi AV8R
1.The rubber parts. They are very good keeping the pedals, and do not scratching the floor.
2.Pedali have 3 axis. But not a Hall sensors, they are better (Rotary Angle Magnet Sensor)

3.
4.Can be pedals f 16
5. See item 4

PS In the drawing, a spring not shown.

Regards.
Slaw

AV8R

You might find this interesting

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3887591/Slaw_Device_109_Pedals#Post3887591

AV8R

You might find this interesting

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3887591/Slaw_Device_109_Pedals#Post3887591

Would like to get in the wait list for these, how can I?

I want to have one of those next month (extra pay here)
What should I do?

PM slaw on this board. Or PM me and I'll give you his email.

Don't really want to put his email in this tread without his permission

His email address is in his public profile. Just click his name.

Mine were ready yesterday, right about when Slaw said they'd be. Paid for them today, and he did something almost mean... he sent pics of my pedals via PM. Seeing them and knowing they're on the other side of the planet and won't be here in Texas for weeks is almost torture.

The Saitek combat pedals aren't bad, per se, but for the price their action isn't all that great. A lot of 'sticktion' around the center, and in the current FM of the 109 in BoS that makes fine nose control very difficult. I'm salivating over using these, especially now that MP is up 24x7.

I also appreciate being able to support an artist, vs. a factory somewhere in China.

This center system is used by VKB pedals for more than 10 years.

http://www.vkb-flightsimcontrols.com/zakaz/index_z.php

The "soft" (or not) in center probable depends of spring used.

Sokol1

@Capt Hook, welcome to the Slaw Device owners club Don't worry as excruciating as the wait for the pedals is, when they arrive that pain will subside very quickly.

@Troll, there is a definite centre feel through the axis, but the pedals don't fight to return to centre like some off the shelf pedals.
There is also spring adjustment, the spring tension can be adjusted through placement of the spring.

I love these pedals, I love the look of them, the sturdy design and the pin point precision. Most definitely one of my all time favourite flight sim peripheral buys

done

Thank you all

Before I ordered the Slaw Pedals, i had my concerns about the center dedents too. But after I tried it, it's really a none issue. The detent is actually somewhat 'soft'. I think it's actually dampened by the rubber stopper in the middle.

Now after using the pedals for several weeks, I actually prefer this over no detent at all - without detents you don't really have a feel for true center, but with this pair pedals, I can feel the center, and when transitioning out of the detent, I don't over correct due to the softness of the detent.

I imagine VKB sells everything he makes with a waiting list to boot, but if he ever wants to expand his business I think he'd get a LOT of interest with an english version of his web site.

I'm happy with the Warthog (especially with the extension), but then again it was the only game in town. If I could easily order VKB's stuff I'd probably go that way when it comes time to replace it.

It's sad that the US has no small entrepreneurs / artists making high-quality, low-run equipment for our hobby like VKB, Slaw, and Crosswind. Eastern Europe / Russia has the monopoly.

Edit: Can't forget IJ. But he's even further away in Australia.

Well, it has one simple reason:

The labor and manufacturing costs in Russia and even E-Europe are much lower than in the US or W-Europe. The VKB stick would cost 2-3 time more if it was engineered and built in the US, so very few could actually afford it.

For the same reason for a relatively lower profit it is still worth to work for in the eastern countries.

Clever and capable engineers on the west are not willing to use their free time for such a time demanding work as low run production and product support when they earn enough at their workplaces.

No offense here. I live and work in Norway, but I am a native Hungarian, so I know both worlds

Pedals arrived today after being mailed on 3/28. Pretty fast for a HEAVY box going to the other side of the world! Packaged *extremely* well... took a good 5 minutes to free them from the box.

The construction quality and precision of this exquisite piece of machine art cannot be understated. It just can't. You have to see them and work them to believe it. No more nose wobble in the F-4 in BoS!

Very, very happy customer of Slaw. If he did this kind of treatment for a stick / throttle assembly, I'd happily take out a second mortgage to pay for them.

Would love to get a set of these but the cost from Poland had to be pretty prohibitive.

I do have some friends flying in from Warsaw this summer. I wonder what it would cost to add it to their checked baggage. No, better not think of it, wife would beat me to a pulp.

Shipping was expensive, sure, but less than a quarter the cost of the pedals. If you can afford the pedals you can afford the shipping. Whole thing was less than I paid for the warthog, and far better built.

No knock on the hog... It's a great piece of kit, especially with the extension. But there's just no comparison in terms of build quality. Moving the pedals is like working a fine watch.

I couldn't agree more

Have had it for more than a month... Couldn't be happier... Build quality is top notch, and it's so smooth and rugged.

It's also very customizable: The strength of both rudder and pedals, overall width, pedals tilt, and even the length of the pedals can be adjusted.

Here are some salivating photos...

Flight simulator porn

Nice shots Recoilfx, really show the pedals off well.

Very, very nice!

Nice pedals, nice shots!:)

Beautiful!
You're not making it easy for me! What I would really like to see is a back to back review between these and the crosswinds...

So, how do I get on the purchase list for these?

Click on Slaws username/profile and his contact email is there Luke

The crosswinds seem like a good design, but unless they're quite a bit cheaper I don't see how they can compare. The Slaw pedals do literally work like a watch. There is no 'give' or flex anywhere in the design, and the sense of solidity and heavy duty precision can't be understood until you put your feet on them. They put every other piece of sim equipment I've got to shame.

If these were manufactured in the US, they'd be $1200-$1500 at least.

Good post Capt.
Sums up my feelings too.
You can't really compare the two products.
I'm sure the Crosswinds are a good product that do what they need to do well.
But for engineering and style the Slaws stand head and shoulders above any competition.

Thanks!

Only around £20 difference between them, metal vs composite...

The composite material used on the MFG Pedals is not necessary a disadvantage. It's very sturdy and made for heavy duty use,just as the metal used on the Slaw Pedals. The material doesn't flex or give in,no matter how hard you push it with your feet....or your Hand. You can certainly break it with the right tools and brute force. But this can also be said about Steel or Aluminium. I haven't tried the Slaw Pedals,so I can't really compare them first hand. But I own and use a set of MFG Pedals since August 2013,its the 2nd or 3rd unit ever sold. They are aswell smooth and precise,I'd say it can't get any better and they are certainly on par with the Slaw pedals.

Where I can see the MFG's advantage is the exchangeable centering Profiles and the Software where you have different options like Noise filtering and Deadzones if you ever want to set it. It's also possible to use the brakeaxis as a Button for older sims or just as additional button on any other sim where planes have no use for Wheelbrakes.
Don't get me wrong,both products are loved by different people for different reasons,and both have their own advantage or disadvantage over the other product and I would also love to try a Set of Slaw Pedals at some point,if I ever get a chance.

Sorry,I just had to post this,because I've read things like "it's composite" or that "you can't compare those both pedals".

Well it shouldn't be a 'your pedals are better than my pedals' sort of thread, but when we are talking about a high end purchase like this then comparisons are obviously going to be made between the two main contenders. I know someone with the MFG's, he is blown away with them, for me, I still have to come to a final decision.

It's truly a tough choice. You will be happy with either of them,I'm sure.

For me, it's a tossup between the two, but I do have to say I am leaning towards the Slaw pedals right now simply because I like the looks of them (I've always wanted a nice WWII style set of pedals).

They are different, they are a different design. Crosswinds use a cam, Slaw's use a more traditional set up.
The design and style are totally different too.

In that respect I don't think they are comparable.
There are some that like the cam set up with a nullified centring, I like a more definitive centre feel.
I also like the 109 look of the pedals, whereas Crosswinds are more generic.

It really is down to personal preference.
You are either going to feel more inclined to one than the other based on the style and design of each product.

Well, I put my name on the list for the Slaw pedals, so I'll find out soon enough how they are.

I like the more definitive center feel as well. I'm using Simped F-16s right now, and while they are well-built, I don't like the mushiness of the brakes and the steep angle of the pedals.

The nice of cam system is that can have a loose center - like helicopter pilots want - or definite center
just change the cam.

Sokol1

Sure, but seeing that I'm not really into helicopter sims (it's been a long time since I loaded up Black Shark), the more traditional defined center works fine for me. That, and I don't like to fiddle with my controllers - one setting that works well for all my games is what I prefer.

I went from Simpeds to the Slaw pedals, it was most definitely an upgrade

That's good to hear! Slaw said the next batch should be ready around the end of May, so hopefully I can wait that long.

Any Slaw owners out there with Obutto Ozone cockpits? Only thing holding me back from getting on the list is Im not sure it will fit! Ive seen the size specs...it will be close with the pedels on the innermost setting...but I'd appreciate anyone with an Ozone and Slaw to post pictures. Also, anyone with MFG pedals who has a Obutto would be appreciated as well.

It's very easy to mod the pedals for nullified center... Though obviously not as easy as changing cams, but much easier than say, CH or Saitek...

Here is a concept...

Same

I've been using these pedals for about a week now and they are the smoothest pedals I've ever used. They blow my old Saitek Pro's out of the water. I can factually state that they've improved my game. I've got them mounted in an Obutto Rev and they fit perfect.



The Slaw pedals definitely come with my highest recommendation.

My heart and feet always for the precise, well looking - I am a 109 pilot but am not looking at my feet too often while flying, so 109 like looking pedals is not a priority -, perfectly fitting and obviously outstandingly well working MFG Pedals. They are so sturdy as the Slaw ones can be, you only have to notice thickness of the material.

My vote, so far, goes to the MFG. Thanks Milan.

Pato.

Thanks for you input Pato

I do care what they look like, I also like to get what I paid for.
My vote goes to the Slaw.

I am glad we both go for the same.

Thanks for your inputs as well

pato

I'm not convinced the Crosswinds are priced right though, so we don't really agree.

OK, being a former owner of a Simped - and highly proud of it - I, on the other hand, find Crosswind a good trade for the money it costs. And I let it die here. I sincerely hope you enjoy your pedals as much as I do.

pato.

I'm a former owner of Simpeds too, and also very pleased to have been as well.

I'm glad you like your Crosswinds, they do seem well made and share the same precision that the Slaw's do. Imn terms of fidelity I don't think there is any difference. But I do not think they are for me at that price and did mention that early on in Milan's thread when I was in the market for a new set of pedals.

That said though, the reason I've been a bit frosty with you, is that it's not quite right to comment on Crosswinds in a thread supporting Slaw's pedals.

Kind of like me jumping in a Crosswind thread and saying buy Slaw pedals.

There are enough threads for Crosswinds across the flight sim world without spamming this one too.

Thank god" I've got a set for sale in the for sale section just now I've orderd as set of slaws makeing a FW190a lookalike pit for them right now , check my pm and email every day to see when thay will be arriving . I was blown away with to the look of them and if thay look that good thay are going to be that good and from what I've read I won't be disappointed .

You won't be disappointed
I was thinking of keeping my simpeds in reserve.
But as soon as I set up the slaws and used them for a few minutes, I realised i would never need a back up.
My simpeds went to a squadmate not too long after.

I shall sell my CH pedals as soon as the Slaws arrive, I have a feeling I won't need them anymore...

Proberbly a silly question and I may have overlooked the info, but does these pedals include a toe break?
Fairly new to flight sims and looking at getting my first pair of pedals and thought I might as well make my first purchase a quality one.

Two of them, to be precise, and wonderful toe brakes they are.

Sounds like just the pedals for me...I just saw that he seems to have some F16 variant pedals on the design table, not sure whether to wait for those or go for the current ones though.
Oh them harsh first world problems!

Ahh, mine will be on their way to me tomorrow. Can't wait to get my feet into them!

Thanks Slaw!

Mine are in the postal system will post some photos when fitted in office thank you rudder god slaw! S!

Well it was a long wait ........but the smile that formed upon my face as I striped back the bubble rap to reveal the slaw device actually hurt I was grinning from ear to ear for some time. they are absolutely stunning look even better than in the photos, slaw you are a perfectionist thank you again.

O_o Thanks.
I'll wait for your (rewiew)............................opinion.
Regards.
Slaw.

Slaw would you ever consider producing a FW 190 type throttle ?

I thought about it. But now the priority - to finish a project F16 pedals and start their production.

Good luck not that you need it for the F16 pedals and if/when you make the fw190 throttle place me on the list .
S!

My Slaw pedals arrived yesterday. Well packed, they survived the long journey with no problems. No customs charges in US for those wondering.

Inside you'll find the pedals, a USB cable of ample length and an extra spring.

The pedals are heavy, all metal and ooze quality. The base has some wide rubber like strips that keep the base from sliding on smooth surfaces and seem to stick well on the carpet I have as well.

First impressions. Smooth as silk. I've had a lot of rudder pedals dating back to a couple pair of original RCS pedals and including some $1500 737 copies, but I've never had any pedals as smooth as these. The way Slaw designed them you feel no center detent. They swing through center without stopping or notching. The bearings seem to be top quality as well.

I use a modified Obutto, so my seating position is more flat. No problem with these rudders, slaw provides plenty (4) adjustment angles. Just remove four screws, including flat and lock washers, and choose your new angle.

Hooking them up, the PC recognized them right away. I opened the device control panel to watch the movement They clearly have higher resolution than any other pedals I have owned. Movement is silky smooth through the ranges and both rudder and brake movement appear to have just the right amount of spring pressure for my flying style.

I don't have time to fly much tonight ,but will report more as I try it out across what sims I have. Really looking forward to trying out helo flying again as these seem to be perfectly suited for fine control movements.

Well done Slaw! I highly recommend these pedals to anyone looking for a high end pair.

+1

I totally agree with Jskibo

In case anyone missed my review of my Slaw Pedals in the controller forum.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3887591/Slaw_Device_109_Pedals#Post3887591

Would love to buy a set of these.

I've sent you a couple of messages on Facebook now. Please let me know when I can buy them?

Cheers

Finally, yesterday I had the chance to use my new pedals for the first time and I foud them magnificent in constructiona and precission, but also I would like to suggest some changes for next tranche.

1) I find the springs too weak to simulate a propeller aircraft, in yaw as well as in braking. Yaw specially would benefit in switching the weakest spring for a stronger one, so users couls still use the actual strong one, the stronger, or both, being the latter option the most convenient one. Please consider that cettification forces of large aircraf nowadays can include rudder forces of up to 100 Pounds, being even grater in WW2 fighter aircraf at high speed. Think that pilots of some particular type of WW2 fighter aircraf could be recognized for the size of their thighs (specially the right one).

http://www.tc.faa.gov/its/worldpac/techrpt/ar0747.pdf

Iwoud like to know how strong springs could I mount on my pedals without risking the integrity of the system.

2) The pivot point of the pedal in the brakes is too far. It should be in a position that would make pivoting the foot easy. This kind of pedal should have the pivot point at midfoot, but much closer to to the pilot. Actual action makes breaking really difficult if the position in the cockpit is similar to that of a real pilot, in opposition of the leg coming from above such in an office desk



These are three typical cockpit positions





With the actual pivot point...
...In the first case it is really unconfortable the braking action.
...In the second case it becomes really difficult.
...In the third case it it almost impossible.
I am using the case one at this moment and I do confess it is really inconvenient in the actual form. My next cockpit will be of the type two and I still will have to come out with something that would allow me to perform braking... mmmm
Maybe the solution passes by placing the pivot point at the base of the heel.

Again, the forces for braking are excesive weak, being normal 15-30 Kg of force for a propeller aircraft of the dimensions of a WW2 fighter, more if we consider that brakes at that time were very deficient.

http://www.groveaircraft.com/brakedesign.html

3) The height of the pedal iself from the cokpit floor is a bit too high. In a cockpit the base of the pedals should be embeded in the floor for a good fit and/or remove the base completely and bolt down the frame directly to the floor

Hope these observations could be constuctive, not a mere criticism.

Thank you

Hi/
1. I have not used a stronger spring in my pedals. But I am confident that the design will withstand such springs, which you need. But this will lead to a rapid deterioration of rubber dampers (metal construction will withstand real load). Not it would be difficult to make an exact copy of the pedals BF109. But their weight would be 3.5 times greater, respectively, more spending on materrial and shipment. It would have doubled the cost to the buyer.


2. Rotation axis of pedals almost like the original, the difference of a few millimeters. This is what I have done for pedal virtual pilot, who was not sitting in this plane. He sits as your first image.

3. I had no other pedals, so I did pedal for themselves (not a major amount, superior quality). Maybe that was my mistake. But if you have a low landing in the virtual cockpit, you can tilt the pedal as here.
Thank you for your opinion.
Regards.
Slaw Device.

I have mine set up in a pit similar to your option 2.
I have no issues using the toe brakes, they feel comfortable and the spring forces feel OK to me. The orientation of the toe brake axis is comfortable to me also, so much so that I use them as accelerator and brake when I have a venture into driving games.

For centring spring strength, I'd imagine they'd easily take a stronger spring if you wanted one.
Although IMO it doesn't need it. I have mine set up with the minimum spring tension, that makes it comfortable for me to use.

please correct the pivot point for next batch

Thanks Slaw,

Waiting patiently here

The Pivot point is fine. They are 109 replicas and need to remain a 109 replica, including the pivot point.

First of all, the pivot point is not as in the Bf.109 so it is not a replica.

Second, the actual position is not right bimechanically talking

Slaw,

Can the L brackets below the pedal feet be inverted, so the pivot point is lower?

Yes




PS. And you will get a lower pedal height (your heels).

Yes

That is what I thought

Thank you

The pedal setup outlined by Slaw is how I have my pedals set up. You can see from that image that the pivot point is the same as the 109 when compared to the image of the 109 pedal.
In Slaws image the L-Bracket isn't inverted, the incline is just steeper.
By inverting the pedal I don't think you'll lower the pivot point, you'll just loose the ability to adjust the pedal attitude.

The only way you'll move the pivot point to the bottom of the pedal (what you want if I read you right) is to fabricate a replacement L-Bracket.

Hi Brigstock

As you can see from the pictures and declarations from the same Slaw, the pivot point was changed a LITTLE BIT from the original Bf.109 (about 8 cm)

My configuration is identical to the one on the pictures too, so we can talk about the very same thing.

With the actual pivot point on this configuration, the foot not only has to turn to push in teh braking action but also has a small displacement. This movemente is more difficult to perform as the position of the body lowers, up to the point that it becomes impossible (almost) if you are seating at the same level as the pedal base.

If not convinced, try by yourself and tell...

My concern is only if this feature could be corrected in future production pedals, as I said. It is not pretended to be a destructive criticism.
And after seeing how Slaw designed an contructed the pedals, I am possitive that I called his attention... so objective complied.

On the other hand, I am in the process of designing a new cockpit, as the actual one is several years old. Next cockpit will be lower to facilitate entrance/exit and because I am getting older.
With this new egonomy it will be quite unconfortable to act over the brakes unless I find a solution I still have to come up with. Maybe I will replace some elements (it is easy and cheap) of the pedals or I might get some new pedlas. I still do not know as the design is still in its preliminaries.

I do confess that I am really spoiled when it comes to cockpits, as I had spent my last 11 working years in a cockpit that I recognize is one of the best designs in aviation, and I harly remenber the "hard" times spent in other aircrafts... but I also was younger.

For my new cockpit I want an EXCELENT design and nothing short of that (best ergonomics, rich wood, leather lateral panels, chromed steel panels, viscoelastic cushions, etc.), so you must understand that an INADECUATE biomechanical action on the pedals bothers me much. I am planing to retire in one or two years and this "baby" will be the place where I will spend many hours of joy (I hope).

I understand your concern, but I'd imagine from the various pictures of Slaw's (and Crosswind) pedals in action that the vast majority of his customers use the pedals in the first of your cockpit depictions.. a regular 'desk' configuration, with Obutto et. al. consumer pits a close second. Creating pedals optimized for a recumbent pit would seem a bad move for something that's already the epitome of niche hardware.

The obvious answer, as already delivered by Slaw, would be to vertically mount the pedals. I, like probably the vast majority of Slaw owners absolutely adore the current design. I'm using an Obutto Revolution pit configured for near fully upright flying, but if I were to reconfigure for a recumbent position I'd just angle the pedals using the Rev's tiltable pedal base.

Simply moving each of the pedals angle adjustments from the first (lowest angle) to the last made the break pivot perfect for me.

Unless you spend several thousand for hydraulic damped pedals (Precision Flight Controls - $3700), you're not going to find anything even remotely comparable to Slaw's build quality and precision.

Hi all.
I just want to show you the new electronics in my pedals. Thank you very much Komaroff and Red Baron. All my next pedals will be staffed this electronics.





That's the best I've seen. The controller is prepared for future improvements and includes some features that were not in the pedals so far.
Regards.
SlawDevice.

What will the new electronics do? What new features will they support? Keep up the good work.

Cheers,

Flying Colander

Hello everbody,

I have some questions about this rudder pedal (like Bf109F) and hope you all can help me.
Is the restoring force adjustable from the pedal?
I have the saitek pro flight rudder pedals. Is the resistance comparable?
Any driver/software necessary?
And the most important question, what I have to do to get this rudder pedal (like Bf109F)?
I have read something about a list?! But I can't find them.

Regards Titus

PS: Sorry for my english.

Although it's not an answer to your question, I hope it's easier to get one to where you live.

Here, in Brazil, customs and logistics made me keep using Saitek pedals - even when they are not as well constructed.

Good luck

té mais
tityus, who broke he's lurking state for your too close nickname.

No - the only pedal that allow this is Saitek, whit a "brake" wheel.
But in Slaw you can replace the return coil for one more heavy or light - not provide, you need find and buy one.

A Slaw x Saitek user comparison:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=115807



No, the pedal use standard Windows HID drivers, is "Plug and play".



These pedals are made by request, you need contact Slaw via Facebook page or email, to get prices (seems ~300 Euros), postage cost, how send the money...
https://www.facebook.com/slaw.device
slawdevice@gmail.com

Sokol1

Thanks Sokol1 for the answers.

Does anyone know if rudder pedals are currently produced?

Regards Titus

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3993580/1

I would read this before making your purchase.

I have tried to contact Slaw by PM and mail, but no luck...
I want to buy the rudderpedals.
So let´s hope he will turn up some day.
I would prefer to buy his pedals.....

Hi all.
And sorry.
I was all the time on vacation and was not able to answer you. I have just returned home. Tomorrow I will answer to all those who wrote to me on email.

Regards.
Slaw

Great Slaw.
I wait for your message.

keep up the good work.

Nice pedals, good job.

Really not if I should get these or wait for the F16 pedals to get done...they both look so very nice.
Damn you Slaw for your pretty quality products *shakes fist* ^^

Got my bf pedals today!
Amazing work from Slaw!
Everything was excellent, Order, Payment, Sending, Package, Delivery, Quality!
Amazing stuff!

Thank you Slaw!!

Now, lets see if I can use it.... And improve my flying.
And take off with FW 190 D-9 Dora.....

I will give a little feedback about my situation. I`m from Romania and on 31 sept I went to USA in hollyday. I bought there a HOTAS Warthog and TrackIR5. Super ok in that moment but wait: something is missing...o sh*t! So I looked after a set of rudder pedals.
1. Comercial ones I didn`t like them, all of them are made of plastic.
2. First I saw Milan`s. His pedals are ok but are made of wood and here in Romania the humidity is great and humidity+wood=no love so I searched more.
3. Second I found T-Rudder pedals made by russians, are made of metal, good looking ones too but you don`t have brake axis on them.
4. I found Slaw`s pedals. Damn I wanted bad these pedals: all metal construction like my hotas, good durability and badass look.

On 2014-09-26 I sent Slaw an email asking some details. He responded to me after some hours saying also that is a waiting time for them. Ok no problem for me. I was in USA so I have one month time to get home and pay the pedals.
On 2014-10-07 I sent him a message asking him to put me on waiting list and how do I make the payment. He replyed to me: "You are on the waiting list. I do not take payment until your pedal is not ready. When I have the pedals for you, I'll let you know."
On 2014-09-27 he replayed to me that the pedals are ready. I was thinking "OMG OMG I want them and are ready!!!" but I forgot that I was in USA so I asked him if he can wait for me to get home and make the payment. He said ok.
On 2014-11-09 I arrived home and made the payment trough Western Union.
On 2014-11-10 he sent the pedals, he gave me the AWB tracking number and now I`m waiting the pedals. YEEI

So the transaction was a smooth one, he is a good guy and he responded on every question to me and even he called me because I forgot to tell him the zip code. I can`t wait to test them on DCS World Modules (Black Shark 2, A-10C Warthog, Mi-8MTV2 Magnificent Eight, UH-1H Huey, F-15C, P-51D Mustang) and Star Citizen. When I will get them I will come back with info.


Today, 15.11.2014 I have my pedals #0049 ! Slaw did a wonderfull job packaging them and a bigger job building them. +10

Thanks.

Slaw I am looking for that next set of pedals and am interested in finding out more about your coming F-16 setup. I like the overall look of the originals but I am more of a jet guy right now and would like to take that route. Drop me a PM if you would please.

Thanks

Will

PROBLEM FIXED ! for Elite Dangerous. I talked with Slaw and explained the problem. After that I received a new firmware for pedals that change the brake axe from RX and RY to X and Y and now is working perfectly, the pedals are recognised by this game though this is still the fault of games developers because this is the only game that these pedals are not working. So if you have these pedals contact Slaw and he will help you.

You don't need to post this in 4 different topics.

If this problem was discused in 4 different topics the I really need to do this.

Looks like you did not do your research very well. They are not made out of wood. Quite the opposite.

BF109 Rudder Pedals cam mode. Soon...

I planned the ability to change. But it was not very easy. Therefore, if you want, I'll make kits for rework (but in March). Make a video how to do it. To remake pedal, you need to disassemble them. The quality of the pedals will depend on the quality of your assembly. So I can not guarantee the quality. If someone wants to order a kit for conversion to email me at the email address. I will gather orders and prepare the items.

Will you be making your pedals with the cams now Slaw?

Yes. All who are in the waiting list can choose the model.

Slaw,

Congratulations. Slaw!

You've been covered by Ars Technica. Here is the link for all those interested:

Ars Technica

Slaw, can you discuss the merits of your new cam system vs. the standard spring system?

Also, what do you think your retrofit cam kits will cost?


Cheers and congrats,

Flying Colander

Hi.
I think Cam pedals more universal. You can have a free and hard center, moving the cam. Price of set for conversion will cost about 25 euros (+ -) + shipping. But will need to disassemble and assemble the pedals back by yourselves. Therefore, I can not guarantee the quality of work the pedals.

Love the cam design. Do you intend to do different cam profiles?

Now I have 4 different cam profiles. Leaving only 2 - with free center and with a hard center. That's enough.