Anti-Radiation missiles

Great
That HARM miss looks great in slow motion, when it barely touched the van.

ColdWar WarPact solution against Hawk&Nike...

UK military has lost so many capabilities.

It added: "UK armed forces have a range of capabilities that can be used to counter enemy air defence, including kinetic strikes via long-range cruise missiles, such as Tomahawk and Storm Shadow, and a multitude of highly effective precision air-to-ground weapons.

"Additionally, it is likely that we will work with our international partners on future major operations overseas and will therefore manage all of our capabilities as part of that coalition."

Over the years I've played SAMSim, I've discovered you can shoot down anti-radiation missiles, if you're quick enough.

I was just shooting down AGM-88s and wondered if this was realistic?

Are the fuses in the SAM warheads quick enough? Depending on which SAM you're using, your missile's speed + the speed of the ARM is going to be mach 3 to mach 4.

A slight delay when fired against a 15m-20m long aircraft doesn't matter, and might even be a good thing, causing the missile to detonate near the middle of the aircraft instead of in front of the aircraft's nose.

But an AGM-88 is just 4m long.

Wouldn't the combination of being a weak target for the fuse to detect, plus the extreme combined speed, plus the target is very short, make the warhead detonate behind the missile?

HARM has double of the length, compared to the RS-2US missile acting as firing range target in Ustka.

What is more interesting...
...with the S-300PS system the recommendation is to engage the HARM, instead switching off the 18 channel emitter.

Yes, but the HARMs are presenting minimum-ish cross section to seeker and fuze when launched at a SAM. I also suspect the test shots may carry a radar reflector, at least where old systems are involved.



So can PATRIOT, and could do this in GF1. It took hours and hours to verify this information, it came from the investigation of the friendly fire incidents. It also contained information regarding PATRIOT ABM performance.

Later, a PATRIOT got nailed with a HARM because it sang the wrong tune at an F-16.

All in all, I'm not sure that shooting ARMs is a high value proposition, though it's better than sitting there and taking it.

PS: At an advanced arena (like OAF), decoys could play their part also...

Radar decoys?

But what about TALD ...

Radar decoys?

But what about TALD ...

Is there any truth to the story that the Serbs used tampered microwave ovens to spoof NATO anti-radiation missiles?

Sorry if that's a total noob question...

Is there any truth to the story that the Serbs used tampered microwave ovens to spoof NATO anti-radiation missiles?

Sorry if that's a total noob question...

Just did a google, and this guy pretty much destroys the plausibility of it being effective, at least the counter arguments seem convincing to a lay-man like me... counter-arguments.

I just couldn't hold myself from posting this... Zoltan Dani with microwave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=arbyw7dZZRU#t=590

It appears that Serbs invented this myth themselves... For some kind of purpose

Damn, poor ST-68/36D6....

Quite a miss.
IMHO the ST-68 is still operable after this hit, with reduced effectiveness...

Man, it was without warhead....

Here real one against same target:

Guessed so...
... they also fixed its direction towards the launcher, to make HARM life easier.

AARGM Block 0. Initial fielded variant. Incorporates a detalink, and GPS point-to-point weapon navigation so it can be directed toward known and last-seen targets. On top of that, its multi-sensor system includes passive digital Anti-Radiation Homing with an increased field of view and increased detection range, counter shutdown algorithms that remember where radars were, active Millimeter Wave radar guidance for final attack, and a Weapon Impact Assessment transmitter datalink that sends information back at appropriate times.

AARGM Block 1. Full combat capability. Corrects a number of classified deficiencies, and adds a netted targeting real-time feed via Integrated Broadcast System (IBS) prior to missile launch. The IBS Receiver interfaces lets the system receive national intelligence data directly.

Got a question about ARMs in SAM sim. I don't know about the Shrikes in the Linebacker scenarios, but HARMs pop up slightly after they're fired, so shouldn't they leave the FoV on the targeting radar when they're launched at you in SAM sim?

Hi! Anybody has some information what's the real capabilities of the ALARM missile against like SA-10?

The parachute mode, and the not too impressive max range not really answer the hype of the Alarm. Or?

Based on what I knew about SA-10, it cannot see the object on chute....

Contrary to the Patriot, the S-300PMU battery has 3 radar sets.
- 36D6 (Tin Shield) could detect the ALARM in both modes
- 76N6 (Clam Shell) could detect the ALARM while it is approaching, could not detect it under the parachute
- 30N6 (Tomb Stone) could detect and engage the ALARM while it is approaching, could not detect it under the parachute

30N6 is a CW radar? I am too lazy to search for it now....

yep! Imagine a lot of small "Vega"-s all together...(What a dream huh?

Would a modern radar, say the 92N6E or the AN/MPQ-65, be able to engage the ALARM under the parachute? If the limitation is based on memory, it seems like they should be able to.

If the ALARM is hanging on a chute waiting on the SAM to say hi, it's too late for the SAM.

Because the ALARM has already gotten itself into attack position. The real opportunity that you had to stop it was while it was on its way there. Once it's hanging on that chute, it's going to attack within a couple of seconds (detach from chute and guide to target), while you need probably 15-30 sec to detect, classify, realize it's not a spurious contact (that's assuming your radar is looking that high, and in a non-TBM application it may well not be), and attack - by which time that ALARM is probably already sitting in the Rmin for your system, if not blowing up one of your radars.

With SEAD/DEAD, timing is everything.

Because the ALARM has already gotten itself into attack position. The real opportunity that you had to stop it was while it was on its way there. Once it's hanging on that chute, it's going to attack within a couple of seconds (detach from chute and guide to target), while you need probably 15-30 sec to detect, classify, realize it's not a spurious contact (that's assuming your radar is looking that high, and in a non-TBM application it may well not be), and attack - by which time that ALARM is probably already sitting in the Rmin for your system, if not blowing up one of your radars.

With SEAD/DEAD, timing is everything.

Nice! Do you have similar testing pictures and some "first hand" info for a "small Vega" - KH-31P (and later variants)?

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