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Posted By: Hpasp

News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/17/12 08:12 AM

Here we can share all News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems.
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Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/25/12 03:25 PM

RTV PVO: Radio-technical Troops of the Homeland Air Defense

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/25/12 04:57 PM

36D6 (Tin Shield) digital, phase modulated, 3 dimensional target acquisition radar, capable of tracking 100 targets parallel;
heart of the S-300PS (SA-10B) system...

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/25/12 05:20 PM

"The Rock of Hungary" "A Szikla" was built before the WW2 by the Germans, to store the Hungarian National Bank gold stock, the Hungarian Crown, plus the Air Defense Command Post.

During the Cold War, it was upgraded to NBC level.

After Hungary joined NATO, this post take responsibility for Eastern Air military traffic Control.

http://www.honvedelem.hu/cikk/33191?originalUri=cikk%2F33191
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/25/12 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
36D6 (Tin Shield) digital, phase modulated, 3 dimensional target acquisition radar, capable of tracking 100 targets parallel;
heart of the S-300PS (SA-10B) system...

Click to reveal..


... and its successor, the 80K6...



with its Ukrainian factory "Iskra"...

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/02/12 04:50 PM

ALMAZ history Album 1947-77...

... including S-25/-75/-125/-200/-225/-300P SAM Systems...
Kometa/K-20/-10/-22/H-15/Rubezh/Drakon ASM systems...
IT-1 ATGM Systems...
Omega-2 SALS (Surface to Air Laser System)
Dreyf AALS (Air to Air Laser System)


http://narod.ru/disk/53028591001.f0d16c4...47-77.djvu.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/02/12 05:10 PM

S-225 (ABM-X-3) system description manual...






http://narod.ru/disk/53029046001.3b55a9c...D0%B4.djvu.html
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/02/12 05:32 PM

what different between sa-11 and sa-17 ???? sigh this two type very looks like together popcorn
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/02/12 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: milang
what different between sa-11 and sa-17 ???? sigh this two type very looks like together popcorn


The 2K12 KUB (SA-6) system had several incremental releases, the 9K37 BUK (SA-11) and the 9K317 BUK-M2 (SA-17) systems.

Main difference is the increased number of target channels...
... while the KUB can track 2 targets parallel and engage one with several missiles, the BUK can engage several targets in the same time.

Also missile range is increased, KUB ~25km, BUK ~35km, BUK-M2 ~50km.

Read more here:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2K12-Kvadrat.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K37-Buk.html
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/03/12 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

... while the KUB can track 2 targets parallel and engage one with several missiles, the BUK can engage several targets in the same time.


O MY God.... until now! I thought sa-6 could tracking 2 target and attack to them at one moment duh
so...if kub could attack only to one target !!! where is sa-6 good point????? just mobile and semi-homing guidance ??? confused
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 07:51 AM

Development of the KUB SAM system was initiated by the decree of the Central Committee of the Soviet Union in 18 July 1958.
The system had to be capable of destroying targets, flying at speeds of Mach2, at an altitude of 100m, in rages between 5-20km, with a hit probability of 70% per launched missile.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 08:09 AM


sa-3 Production history
Designer Almaz Central Design Bureau
Designed 1960s
Manufacturer JSC Defense Systems (Pechora-M)
Produced 1963-present
Variants Neva, Pechora, Volna, Neva-M, Neva-M1, Volna-M, Volna-N, Volna-P, Pechora 2, Pechora 2M, Newa SC, Pechora-M





sa-6 Production history
Designer NIIP/Vympel
MMZ (GM chassis)
Designed 1959
Manufacturer Ulyanovsk Mechanical Plant (SURNs)
ZiK (TELs)
Produced 1968–1985
Number built 500 launchers, 10 000 missiles[1]
Variants 2K12 Kub, 2K12E Kvadrat (export version), 2K12M3, 2K12M4



so sa-3 looks like younger than sa-6??? so why in almost country's join in nato sa-3 remove from servis but why sa-6 still online with nato standard ? oops dizzy

sa-3 in rages between 5-20km, with a hit probability of what percent per launched missile could hit target? 30% per launched missile????.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 08:15 AM

Originally Posted By: milang
Click to reveal..

sa-3 Production history
Designer Almaz Central Design Bureau
Designed 1960s
Manufacturer JSC Defense Systems (Pechora-M)
Produced 1963-present
Variants Neva, Pechora, Volna, Neva-M, Neva-M1, Volna-M, Volna-N, Volna-P, Pechora 2, Pechora 2M, Newa SC, Pechora-M





sa-6 Production history
Designer NIIP/Vympel
MMZ (GM chassis)
Designed 1959
Manufacturer Ulyanovsk Mechanical Plant (SURNs)
ZiK (TELs)
Produced 1968–1985
Number built 500 launchers, 10 000 missiles[1]
Variants 2K12 Kub, 2K12E Kvadrat (export version), 2K12M3, 2K12M4



so sa-3 looks like younger than sa-6??? so why in almost country's join in nato sa-3 remove from servis but why sa-6 still online with nato standard ? oops dizzy


Probably because KUB is mobile.

Originally Posted By: milang

sa-3 in rages between 5-20km, with a hit probability of what percent per launched missile could hit target? 30% per launched missile.


Hit probability is only valid for non maneuvering/jamming, straight flying target.

Dvina with 3 missiles; 96%
Volhov with 3 missiles; 99%
Neva with 2 missiles; 98%
Vega with 3 missiles; 98%
KRUG with 1 missile; 97%
KUB with 3 missiles; 98%
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 09:16 AM

oops ..my bad frown I came to the conclusion... in my mind i created from KUB one bIG monster screwy
i had a high expectations for a 2K12 KUB (SA-6A) simulator laser
of course KUB is a different Style and peculiar system in soviet union SAM collection...... this system is realy one of complexity sam in the world screwy

but i dont know why ? why one system like sa-6 have a smile size but it armed with complexity take Pattern of sa-4 + sa-5 guidane and sa-3 indicator dizzy dizzy
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: milang
oops ..my bad frown I came to the conclusion... in my mind i created from KUB one bIG monster screwy
i had a high expectations for a 2K12 KUB (SA-6A) simulator laser
of course KUB is a different Style and peculiar system in soviet union SAM collection...... this system is realy one of complexity sam in the world screwy

but i dont know why ? why one system like sa-6 have a smile size but it armed with complexity take Pattern of sa-4 + sa-5 guidane and sa-3 indicator dizzy dizzy


Against low flying targets, in the '50s using CW Doppler radar seemed to be the easiest solution.
Part of the system complexity is resulted that the NIIP bureau never designed any SAM system before...
... they were designers of AA missile systems.
Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 11:46 AM

KRUG seems an outlier in your table.

The others have an "equivalent SSKP" of 66% for Dvina to 86% for Neva, with the remainder in the mid-low 70s... while KRUG is 97%

While I am aware that it might not be valid to just combine two or three 'equivalent SSKP' to obtain an engagement P(K) this difference seems ~ striking. Is this what you'd expect?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 11:54 AM

While these are official figures, I would handle those with a grain of salt...
Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 11:59 AM

Is a Krug 'engagement' really one missile though? ~ I had the impression (not confirmed by checking the manuals I must admit) that almost all fired 2-3 missiles per target.

With 2 rounds for the engagement, the equivalent SSKP is 83% & within the range of the other missiles.

Obviously in the 'real world' nothing like this accuracy should be expected from any of these systems, especially if you have dense jamming and ARM considerations that might force dropping track, plus manoeuvring fighter targets.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Lieste
Is a Krug 'engagement' really one missile though? ~ I had the impression (not confirmed by checking the manuals I must admit) that almost all fired 2-3 missiles per target.

With 2 rounds for the engagement, the equivalent SSKP is 83% & within the range of the other missiles.

Obviously in the 'real world' nothing like this accuracy should be expected from any of these systems, especially if you have dense jamming and ARM considerations that might force dropping track, plus manoeuvring fighter targets.


Continued on the KRUG topic...
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/12 06:57 PM

try this video please....

BUK-M1

http://www.aparat.com/v/b5e17c753d2ee497cdb8683eb980a3cc162089
but just focus on 1:21 minutes of video... i seen one range indicator looks like sa-4 ganef range indicator !!!!!!!!!!
BUK take pattern of sa-4 range indicator ? or this indicator is normally and used on mobile sam system's????



PS: i have one semi-pro question.....! sa-3 in hungary + some country joined in nato removed, because this system was static, not mobile.
... but why sa-4 ganef removed???? that was mobile too confused
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/05/12 08:51 AM

Originally Posted By: milang
try this video please....

BUK-M1

http://www.aparat.com/v/b5e17c753d2ee497cdb8683eb980a3cc162089
but just focus on 1:21 minutes of video... i seen one range indicator looks like sa-4 ganef range indicator !!!!!!!!!!
BUK take pattern of sa-4 range indicator ? or this indicator is normally and used on mobile sam system's????


Quite normal, same is used in the Shilka.

Originally Posted By: milang

PS: i have one semi-pro question.....! sa-3 in hungary + some country joined in nato removed, because this system was static, not mobile.
... but why sa-4 ganef removed???? that was mobile too confused


In Hungary, the KRUG brigade mission was to protect the nuclear armed Scud missile brigade.
When the Cold War ended, and the Soviets removed the nuclear warheads of the Scud missiles, the Scud brigade was disbanded.
(there is no point to keep Scud missiles without nuclear tipped warhead)
When the Scud brigade was disbanded, there was also no point to keep the KRUG.

PS: Important to see, that while the KRUG main mission was to protect the SCUD brigade in Army-Front level, the KUB mission was to protect the tank regiments on division level.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/05/12 12:46 PM

pretty video from sa-3 , s-125-2T

PS: hpasp.... i read sa-3 PDF again nope... in this video i see pasive flight for once in my life time biggrin
why in sa-3 pdf u do not wrote about after burn how many time v-601 can pasive fligt on air? rolleyes

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/05/12 12:52 PM

another 2 video about sa-3 launch and killed ashuluk target biggrin

PS: hpasp could u explain pleas... why in these video sa-3 missile doing hard Maneuvering on air
.... but we cant see like this Maneuvering's line on 3daar? popcorn

could u work on Maneuver line in 3daar like realistic missile Maneuver? cowboy


PS-2
: check 16 sceond's of first video with slow speed!
when missile launch downer wing's assemble on booster Pull out like Switchblade knife!!!
some one want explain about that pinnule's on s-125 boooster!!!? why that pinnule like Switchblade knife Pull out???


Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/05/12 01:02 PM

animation video about f-117 killed by sam thumbsup
i realy fear of this video....awsome seehearspeak

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/05/12 01:16 PM

Thought this is for non-simulated SAM's...
Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/05/12 04:31 PM

The AAR track *does* have wiggle in it, and if viewed from the rear the missile can be seen to oscillate, and deviate from the direct path to some extent... when viewed from the side or zenith however the track seen in the video would appear almost straight, as is the impression given by the default views of the AAR.

(why I've never been very convinced of drastic reduction in range with low to moderate manoeuvre requirements ~ the missile is usually flying with some AOA and 'g' load to follow/recross the desired mean path... if a turn is required the corrections become single sided and the missile turns ~ but there may be less, or a similar overload compared to the straight path).
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/09/12 11:04 AM

iraqian shilka VS iranian phantom

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/10/12 05:59 AM

what a awesome video biggrin (joking) (shilka)

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/10/12 07:24 AM

2010 live exercise (unknown location) from russia ? or serbia??? confused

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/10/12 11:14 AM

i have qouestion....

sa-6 gainful could engage with target's withot target acquisition radar???? rolleyes
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/10/12 09:08 PM

The great debate; tracks vs wheels smile

Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 10:39 AM

Not exactly an air defence... But even more exciting: test launch of 53T6 (SH-08 Gazelle) anti-ballistic missile at Priozersk (better known as Sary-Shagan). During start, this missile experiences an acceleration of 200G and climbs to 30000 meters in just 5-6 seconds. Maximum speed exceeds 4000 m/sec. No detailed photos of the missile are ever published, since it is still top secret.
It's a long video, but more than worth watching.


Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 10:56 AM

Another S-300 exercises, at Telemba (Russian far east):

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 04:26 PM

hummmmm part of reall video about killling that f-16 with sa-6! Unknown FCO !
why camera do no show face of SA-6 FCO
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 04:52 PM

Lonewolf - great finds!!! thumbsup
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357
Another S-300 exercises, at Telemba (Russian far east):

Click to reveal..


Ahhh, my favourite system!!!
S-300PS Volhov-M6 (SA-10B)
tuner
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 06:01 PM

Originally Posted By: milang
hummmmm part of reall video about killling that f-16 with sa-6! Unknown FCO !
why camera do no show face of SA-6 FCO
Click to reveal..


That situation is on the cards if the KUB sim will be ever made...


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: milang
what a awesome video biggrin (joking) (shilka)

Click to reveal..


The awesome 70 degree/sec target tracking speed is demonstrated...
Posted By: WhoCares

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 06:56 PM

Not a video and not a SAM system, but I think a good overall Radar documentation also fits in this information gathering topic:
[url=---http://www.radartheory.8m.com/basics.html#basic]Radar Theory and Systems[/url]

Edit: Modified the direct link due to pistons79 virus warning - I did not get any such warnings, not at home and not at the office; remove the leading dashes in the link at your own risk wink
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: WhoCares
Not a video and not a SAM system, but I think a good overall Radar documentation also fits in this information gathering topic:
Radar Theory and Systems


There is trojan in this site!!! lightsabers
Posted By: WhoCares

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/12 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: WhoCares
Not a video and not a SAM system, but I think a good overall Radar documentation also fits in this information gathering topic:
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There is trojan in this site!!! lightsabers


When I browsed that page from different systems with different protection I did not get any notification. Just ran some online checks and out of three or four, http://sitecheck.sucuri.net/scanner/ detects some Java Script malware that is intended to load a "Fake AV" virus.
So I remove the link from my post and you should also invalidate/remove it in your quote of my post...
Sorry for any inconvenience - looks like I am not very lucky with my posts here...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/13/12 05:59 PM

http://rtv-pvo-gsvg.narod.ru/doc/micro_book.pdf
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/14/12 09:36 PM

Serbian Air Force celebrated its 100th years anniversary.



But what is more relevant for us...
... is that the SAM iron doesn't forget its history.



(note the holes...)
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/16/12 10:56 PM

KUB history.................. part1 part2 part3



Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/16/12 10:58 PM

about that kub explosion biggrin

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/21/12 05:37 PM

Hungary's only ICBM (Intercontinental Ballistic Missile) is at the Kecel Military museum.

It is an RT-23 Molodets (SS-24 Scalpel)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-24

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/23/12 06:33 AM

You mean ICBM's stationed in Hugary?

A humble exercise:
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/06/12 03:26 PM

hummmm. reading




wich one is deadly than other? shilka or gepard lightsabers

PS: I GUESS GEPARD COULD MORE THAN 70 degree/sec target tracking speed... ...is it RIGHT OR WRONG?
Posted By: jazjar

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/06/12 04:55 PM

Gepard definitely. 35mm Oerlikon, heavy armour. The 35mm allow it to be able to knock out most delicate fighter aircraft with one hit. Su-25 2-3 hits, and helicopters 2-3 hits. A-10 might take 3-5 hits though, if that makes any difference smile
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/06/12 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: jazjar
Gepard definitely. 35mm Oerlikon, heavy armour. The 35mm allow it to be able to knock out most delicate fighter aircraft with one hit. Su-25 2-3 hits, and helicopters 2-3 hits. A-10 might take 3-5 hits though, if that makes any difference smile


so could you help me ??? wich mobile system is allowed to compare with shilka??? tunguska? confused
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/06/12 06:03 PM

Answered at the Shilka thread...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/08/12 12:34 PM


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a17_1349608780
jawdrop
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/08/12 04:02 PM



Run away, quickly biggrin
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/08/12 07:50 PM

Amazing launch!
And that label at 0:56 "do not touch"
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crazy
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/09/12 07:36 AM

i found cool somthing rolleyes
why KUB missile armed on sa-11 buk launcher confused


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/09/12 06:42 PM

Originally Posted By: milang
i found cool somthing rolleyes
why KUB missile armed on sa-11 buk launcher confused

Click to reveal..



That is the 2K12M4 KUB-M4 (SA-6B) system, not the 9K37 BUK (SA-11).
Read more here:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K37-Buk.html
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/10/12 03:47 PM

what the @#$% !!!!!!!!
jawdrop

some help ..what is it?

sicko
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/10/12 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: milang
what the @#$% !!!!!!!!
jawdrop

some help ..what is it?


Photoshop...
Posted By: Amidkor

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/10/12 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: milang

some help ..what is it?

Photoshop

It's MLRS "Tornado-S" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9A52-4_Tornado

Original pic - http://savepic.ru/3197270.jpg
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/12/12 10:13 AM

adult toy
base on oerlikon 35mm = (sky shield) popcorn

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/13/12 02:29 PM

Hmmm..... it seems BUK is very close to KUB



Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 09:56 AM

video

Nice!
thumbsup
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 03:05 PM

and this video is awesome biggrin OVER DESERT STORM

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Snakefx/2302

with translation =

pilot and co-pilot: ok bombs out!
co-pilot: drop the fuel tank! drop the fuel tank!
pilot: ok... dropped!
co-pilot: 500 feets, go low! 400 feets, roll! roll!
pilot: [(...this is what i'm doing!) not in subtitles]
co-pilot: there you are, 200 feets. stay here. 200 feets, ok you are inbound. go streight. Level! Level! Level!
pilot: Roger.
co-pilot: Level. Ok...go ahead... you are low. 200 feets, full throttle! I (already) dropped the fuel tank. Ok... full throttle.
pilot: Use chaffs! Use chaffs!
co-pilot: I'm chaffing! Go ahead! Go ahead!
pilot: Use chaffs again!
co-pilot: I'm chagging a lot! Go ahead! Go low, go low! 200 feets.
pilot: Engines are still ok!
co-pilot: 130 feets, 120 feets, go ahead!

Eject, Eject!
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 03:18 PM

this one is very very deadly than our shilka biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

modern orlikein 35mm (sky shield)

video

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/zimolaviation/5754/
Posted By: UnderTheRadar

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 03:35 PM

"While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)"


Russian SAMs ARE history.

Where was the "mighty" SA-10 when Israel bombed the Syrian reactors LOL?

How many fighters were lost to SAMs in OIF? 1 A-10 to a French/German Roland.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar

Russian SAMs ARE history.

Where was the "mighty" SA-10 when Israel bombed the Syrian reactors LOL?

How many fighters were lost to SAMs in OIF? 1 A-10 to a French/German Roland.



as i know... 65 israelian fighter down by syrian gainful!
but isreal goverment said 40 fighter downed thumbsup
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar
"While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)"


Russian SAMs ARE history.

Where was the "mighty" SA-10 when Israel bombed the Syrian reactors LOL?



Nowhere!!! biggrin
(FYI, S-300 was never exported into Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Serbia, etc...)

First generation consisted two systems...

The towed version S-300PT (SA-10A Grumble) was fielded in 1979, replacing the S-25 Berkut (SA-1 Guild) batteries around Moscow.

The mobile version S-300PS (SA-10B Grumble) was fielded in 1983 replacing the S-75M Volhov (SA-2E Guideline) and S-125M Neva (SA-3B Goa) batteries, and exported outside of the former Soviet Union from 1988 as the S-300PMU (SA-10B Grumble) into East Germany, Bulgaria, China, and (Czech)Slovakia.

Second generation of the S-300P is fielded from 1989, as the S-300PM (SA-20A Gargoyle), and exported in two versions.
The S-300PMU-1 (SA-20A Gargoyle) is shipped from 1994, into China, Greece, Algeria, and Vietnam.
The S-300PMU-2 Favorit (SA-20B Gargoyle) is shipped from 2004 into China.

Third generation of the S-300P is fielded in Russia from 2007 replacing the S-200 (SA-5 Gammon) batteries, as the S-400 Triumph (SA-21 Growler).

thumbsup
Posted By: UnderTheRadar

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
FYI, S-300 was never exported into Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Serbia, etc...


Oh? Did Russia sell ANY SAMs to Syria? Because NONE of them seemed to work smile
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
FYI, S-300 was never exported into Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Serbia, etc...


Oh? Did Russia sell ANY SAMs to Syria? Because NONE of them seemed to work smile


This export chart might help...
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Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar

Oh? Did Russia sell ANY SAMs to Syria? Because NONE of them seemed to work smile


SAMs dont shoot by themselves, its soldiers who operates them or officers who makes decisions / thinks strategicaly. Advanced training is essential for them, otherwise all the expensive gear is useless. But can be applied to any military organisation; airforce / navy / ground forces / etc.

Also decent enemy will allways make a cunning plan / find weak spot. This gives attacker an advantage - the element of surprise / unknown.
I think SAMSIM lets us experience this clearly; historical scenarios. thumbsup
Posted By: UnderTheRadar

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: montieris

Also decent enemy will allways make a cunning plan / find weak spot. This gives attacker an advantage - the element of surprise / unknown.
I think SAMSIM lets us experience this clearly; historical scenarios. thumbsup



Samsim does not simulate Suter, does it?

It's a whole new ballgame out there.

There is a new sheriff in town. His name is Suter smile
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 08:07 PM

I would say that cyber warfare is The New Sheriff in town.
Suter/IADS/etc. are just a tool. Tool in evolutionary war where new technology is developed all the time.
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar
Originally Posted By: montieris

Also decent enemy will allways make a cunning plan / find weak spot. This gives attacker an advantage - the element of surprise / unknown.
I think SAMSIM lets us experience this clearly; historical scenarios. thumbsup



Samsim does not simulate Suter, does it?

It's a whole new ballgame out there.

There is a new sheriff in town. His name is Suter smile


Oh yeah, really?! And what on earth is Suter? Is that your real name?
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
FYI, S-300 was never exported into Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Serbia, etc...


Oh? Did Russia sell ANY SAMs to Syria? Because NONE of them seemed to work smile


If you will have a look in Google Earth at the area where that supposed Syrian reactor was located, you will find no single sign of any SAM system in the entire area. No active site (you may use the historical imagery feature), no abandoned site - nothing. The nearest SAM is located 40 km away near town of Deyr Az Zawr, and its effective range is 25 km. So what are you talking about?

For me, it appears that either Syrians relied on secrecy rather than any defences, knowing that they will attract unnecessary attention placing SAM batteries there, or, more plausible, the object in question had no relation to any nuclear program at all. If they would really want to protect it with air defences, they would built it in the areas of the country already filled with SAM sites, and not somewhere in the outback, close to Turkish/Iraqi borders.
Posted By: UnderTheRadar

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
FYI, S-300 was never exported into Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Serbia, etc...


Oh? Did Russia sell ANY SAMs to Syria? Because NONE of them seemed to work smile


This export chart might help...
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Many sources on the internet disagree with your claim that Syria does not have the SA-10.

I think the SA-10 is the new MiG-25... paper tiger.
Posted By: UnderTheRadar

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357


For me, it appears that either Syrians relied on secrecy rather than any defences, knowing that they will attract unnecessary attention placing SAM batteries there, or, more plausible, the object in question had no relation to any nuclear program at all. If they would really want to protect it with air defences, they would built it in the areas of the country already filled with SAM sites, and not somewhere in the outback, close to Turkish/Iraqi borders.


So what you are saying is that Syria purposely moved all their defenses away from any path the Israelis could use to get to their enrichment site?

Seems legit... LOL smile
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar


Many sources on the internet disagree with your claim that Syria does not have the SA-10.

I think the SA-10 is the new MiG-25... paper tiger.



Would you be so kind to point on just a single reliable source?
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/18/12 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar


So what you are saying is that Syria purposely moved all their defenses away from any path the Israelis could use to get to their enrichment site?

Seems legit... LOL smile


What I'm saying is that this area never saw any air defences. Since the beginning of the time, invention of agriculture, establishment of Syria, etc...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/19/12 08:03 PM

Nice reading about SPY-1 phase modulated radar evolution...

http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Radar/SPY-1_TCO.pdf

thumbsup
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/20/12 01:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Nice reading about SPY-1 phase modulated radar evolution...

http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Radar/SPY-1_TCO.pdf

thumbsup


What I am admire in Americans is that they can explain complex things, such as phase shifter operation, in very simple manner thumbsup
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/22/12 09:53 PM

guyzzz wave do you have any video link about sa-3B launcher?
this launcher could turn around itself on 360 degrees or this launcher limited and can't turn 360 degrees like sa-2 launcher?????
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/23/12 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: milang
guyzzz wave do you have any video link about sa-3B launcher?
this launcher could turn around itself on 360 degrees or this launcher limited and can't turn 360 degrees like sa-2 launcher?????


Answered at the relevant topic...
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/24/12 06:44 PM

L70/40mm Bofors in Netherlands
Controlled by troublesome D7B radar. (2nd gun at 1:07)

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/25/12 07:01 AM

Counter-electronics High-powered Advanced Missile Project...

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/25/12 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: montieris
L70/40mm Bofors in Netherlands
Controlled by troublesome D7B radar. (2nd gun at 1:07)

Click to reveal..


Proximity-Fuzed prefragmented HE (PFHE) ammo is much more effective (and expensive) compared to the HEI-T used by the Shilka.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/26/12 10:26 AM

Hmmmm.... fun time guyzzz
guess what ... who is he biggrin i guess he is one of us
biggrin


Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/27/12 06:58 PM

Take Cover Guyzzz ... Kashtan-m is here
behindcouch

Posted By: Architrav

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/06/12 07:32 PM

I recently got this (German) book on the S-300:


Quite an intersting read. It's really not a technical manual, even though it explains the basics of the system and differences to the Volhov complex. But the meat is in the telling the story of preparing for the introduction of the first S-300 to the East German SAM forces. The anecdotes give a bit of insight in what life and training in an active cold war SAM unit was like during peace time, all over the backdrop of Perestroika and Glasnost.

Of course this all happening between 1988 and 1990 means that while the East German air defense forces had - forgive me the crude imagery - a massive hard-on for the highly advanced S-300 they were blueballed by having to ship the system back to Russia when the Warsaw pact fell apart.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/12/12 08:21 AM

some one rescue me please wave

WTF screwy

why IR seeker head on AA-8 alphid replace/assemble on seeker head of sa-6 missile!????
where is missile's GSN?
im confusedsicko

also i hear iraqi sam defense use this method for run from jamming.........
please check pic's



Posted By: Architrav

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/18/12 10:36 AM



If true that has to be one of the eeriest war videos I've ever seen.

Israeli "iron dome" system intercepting missiles over Beersheba.
Posted By: wasserfall

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/19/12 05:52 PM

^ That is a crazy video

And here is the granddaddy of them all; where my name is from
http://www.luft46.com/missile/wasserfl.html



I had a little taste of what controlling one would be like. In Il-2 1946 i had set up a massive B-17 raid to bomb a city; then put a lone Ta-183 armed with X-4's on the ground; in line with the bombers. I managed to kill one; altough it's really a royal pain to get a man to do a computer's job; flying a missile into an airplane :P
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/19/12 06:32 PM

Impressive! How about "Rein daughter"?
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/22/12 07:53 AM

hot news:

nato want protect turkish with modern patriot biggrin
Posted By: wasserfall

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/23/12 12:10 AM

^ Yeah i saw that! I assume it's what they need before an Invasion. Scary #%&*$#. I support massively dousing the middle-east with weaponized synthetic THC; ain't no time to fight when you are playing ball with pink elephants.

Aaah and Rhine-daughter! That's a very weird one. I think it is a Rheinbote SSM development.




And then again there's another one, the Enzian wich is basically a pilotless ME-163



Three competing projects wasting their efforts; this was a trademark of the nazi war machine. Had they concentrated on any one of them; their effects on the bomber campaign could have been horrifying for us. Night as well as day missions would be in danger from these radar-guided missiles; even if they are primitive as hell.

But the last one is the insanest; the Natter (Viper); wich is basically a PILOTED rocket-spitting semi-reusable SAM (i refuse to call this contraption an interceptor). It's first flight killed the pilot; wich reinforced the belief that "auto-pilot" is the only way to control such a dangerously fast machine


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/28/12 09:14 PM

Europe's most seasoned SAM unit had the 50'th birthday ceremony...







Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/29/12 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Europe's most seasoned SAM unit had the 50'th birthday ceremony...









hpasp please see third pic again.... is this surn cabine of hungarian sa-6 ????????
this is very modernized in my eyes ............
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/30/12 01:14 PM

Originally Posted By: milang
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Europe's most seasoned SAM unit had the 50'th birthday ceremony...

Click to reveal..








hpasp please see third pic again.... is this surn cabine of hungarian sa-6 ????????
this is very modernized in my eyes ............


Nope, this is Serbian.
(I thought that the 250.rd PVO is well known by the SAMSIM fans...)
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/30/12 01:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

Nope, this is Serbian.
(I thought that the 250.rd PVO is well known by the SAMSIM fans...)


It is! Don't judge for SAMSIM fans from one of them...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/30/12 08:46 PM

http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=75450
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/01/12 09:52 AM

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/02/12 12:02 PM

im in love with this one charge
so sexy launch.......uuuuuuuuuuf


Posted By: Architrav

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/03/12 03:29 PM

A different question: What is the actual tactical use of combining gun and missile systems, like with the "Pantsir" or "Tunguska" systems?

I understand that a guided missile system is distinctly more expensive than a radar-guided gun system but the only solution for medium range targets. Now I would assume that even if the guns are superior at extremely short ranges and low heights, wouldn't it be a lot easier to have some additional short-range missiles instead of having to construct everything around a gun platform?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/12 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Architrav
A different question: What is the actual tactical use of combining gun and missile systems, like with the "Pantsir" or "Tunguska" systems?

I understand that a guided missile system is distinctly more expensive than a radar-guided gun system but the only solution for medium range targets. Now I would assume that even if the guns are superior at extremely short ranges and low heights, wouldn't it be a lot easier to have some additional short-range missiles instead of having to construct everything around a gun platform?


the guns are superior at extremely short ranges and low heights

Exactly.

Creating a cheap short range SAM, that cannot be blinked by Flare, and its radio/optical fuse is not susceptible against ground clutter is quite a challenge...
... on the other-side, spraying bullets is cheap and effective.
Posted By: Architrav

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/12 09:24 AM

Ah, now I get it - It's rather that they took a gun platform and added some missiles to increase its range than the other way around.
Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/12 09:29 AM

Plus the guns are useful as a secondary 'self protection' mode against light armour or recon vehicles... (ultimately they can also be used deliberately in eg urban environments but this is *probably* a waste of limited availability assets).

A SAM (9K31, 9K35) would only have self-protection from crew small arms and (possibly) one RPG22 per vehicle.
Tunguska or Shilka is a credible threat to an M2 or BMP, or M113 or BTR/BRDM class vehicle and obviously also 'jeep' or HMMWV... although fire and retreat would seem preferable to hanging around to find out what else is there....
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/12 10:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Lieste

Tunguska or Shilka is a credible threat to an .. BMP, ..


One who served on Strela-1 told me about accident in his battery where Shilka commander failed to set gun trigger to safe and by leaving thru hatch somehow triggered burst into BTR standing in column, front of Shilka. None was alive after, body parts everywhere, BTR was shredded to pieces.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/12 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: montieris
Originally Posted By: Lieste

Tunguska or Shilka is a credible threat to an .. BMP, ..


One who served on Strela-1 told me about accident in his battery where Shilka commander failed to set gun trigger to safe and by leaving thru hatch somehow triggered burst into BTR standing in column, front of Shilka. None was alive after, body parts everywhere, BTR was shredded to pieces.


Hatch has a safety switch, if it is open, firing is blocked.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/15/12 08:57 AM

CHAMP can destroy all of sam system!
http://www.boeing.com/Features/2012/10/bds_champ_10_22_12.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/15/12 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: farokh


DAMN! This is the end!....
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/15/12 01:56 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh


DAMN! This is the end!....


... for all those modern Patriot/S-300 systems, and again the S-75/125 emerge out as a clear winner.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/15/12 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
... for all those modern Patriot/S-300 systems, and again the S-75/125 emerge out as a clear winner.


Long live vacuum tubes..! But as I knew, even modern systems could be protected by so called "Faraday cage"..

P.S. It wouldn't be so easy:

Click to reveal..

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Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/15/12 11:11 PM

BloodhoundLocation
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/16/12 07:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh


DAMN! This is the end!....


... for all those modern Patriot/S-300 systems, and again the S-75/125 emerge out as a clear winner.


hpasp for god sake do not simulate this one (champ) on samsim thumbsup
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/16/12 01:53 PM

new video from czech sa-6 with graphical mix on DCS-A10

PS: evry body loves KUB , should see this video , exactly after 2:50th min
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/17/12 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh


DAMN! This is the end!....


... for all those modern Patriot/S-300 systems, and again the S-75/125 emerge out as a clear winner.


I bet S-300 will have much better chance of shooting down this nasty thing before it will even get close enough...
Besides, in this interview (in Russian)...

The long arm of Almaz-Antey...

...the top Almaz-Antey men have dismissed the efficiency of non-nuclear EMP weapons, claiming that it will not be able to suppress their systems.
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/17/12 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79


It is amazing that none of these systems were used to cover the big cities. Not a single system around London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh... Such a stark contrast with the Soviet practice.
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/18/12 05:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357
Originally Posted By: piston79


It is amazing that none of these systems were used to cover the big cities. Not a single system around London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh... Such a stark contrast with the Soviet practice.


Maybe it's because NATO was looking at defence from a combined NATO viewpoint?

So Aircraft trying to go directly to the south of the UK would have to pass over Germany, Belgion, Netherlands and maybe France. Placing Bloodhounds there would protect against flights across the southern north-sea. With the northern north-sea protected by inteceptors?

Just a random guess.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/30/12 10:23 AM

jist download and look at this laser anti air weapon
xwing

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/da...-video-pira.wmv

ADAM lockhead martin with 50+ KW bar explode

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 10:13 AM

Nice workplace...





... do you know what is it, and what is its the relation to the ZSU-23-4 Shilka?
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 10:24 AM

I have no idea what it is.

But since it has no guns and a radar that looks like a tracking radar and not a surveillance radar, maybe a training system?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 11:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
... do you know what is it, and what is its the relation to the ZSU-23-4 Shilka?


Shilka's "Accord"?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 11:27 AM

nope
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 12:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
nope


As it is next to the P-15, maybe some target aquisition radar for low altitude targets...?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 12:37 PM

It is actually quite a deadly system, used from Vietnam till the Yugoslav Wars...


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 01:11 PM

Last attempt...
FIRE CAN?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/12 04:16 PM

Another SAM killer:

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/01/13 03:04 PM

Merry Christmas, and SAM rich Happy New Year to All...


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/03/13 07:07 PM

Time and place: September-October 2008 ground Chiu Chuan Chinese PLA

Control tests on the air defense system "Favorite" with target aquisitioning from 83M6E2 and air defense missile systems S-300PMU2 Chinese test site Jiu Quan were conducted to test the performance of the system shipped to China, and include flight and firing tests.

Flight tests were conducted to test the interoperability of systems, test individual modes of radio equipment in overflights on a wide class of targets: ballistic, aircraft, strategic and tactical aircraft and strategic cruise missiles. Overflights were conducted with the participation of specialists from the Russian side and confirmed the statement in the contract specifications of defense "Favorite".




Firing tests were conducted to test the effectiveness against the main types of targets defined on the system. The trials involved SU 83M6E2 and four S-300PMU2. Before testing the crews PLA China with the participation of specialists of the Russian Federation, check the readiness of equipment for fire testing and training of crews of the PLA of China. Firing experiments were conducted on five types of targets.

Experiment 1

Shooting at the operational and tactical ballistic target. Shooting made &#8203;&#8203;AAMS number 2.
The target was autotracked by 300PMU2 after target designation from SC 83M6E2.



At the entrance to the killing area, against &#8203;&#8203;the target was fired two missiles 48N6E2. The coordinates of the meeting with the target missiles were:



The target was hit. The distance of the fall of the target's wreckage from the aiming point was 13 km.
The wreckage of the target (similar to the operational and tactical ballistic missile):


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/03/13 07:20 PM

Experiment number 2:

Shooting on the aircraft of strategic aviation. Purpose: Testing the liability of the system against targets on the far border of the engagement/fring zone.
Shooting made AAMS number 4.

The target was autotracked from S-300PMU2 after target designation and aquisition from SC 83M6E2.
Target fired one rocket 48N6E2.
The target was hit at a range of 184.6 km.
Shooting took place in conditions of jamming. The jamming level was set on the specificated level for the system.(???)



Target's wreckage:


-------

Experiment 3

Shooting at low-flying targets. Purpose: Testing the destruction of low-flying targets in strong reflections from the underlying surface .
Shooting made AAMS number 1.

Small target type UAV was autotracked from the S-300PMU2 after target aquisition and designation of all-altitude 96L6E detector at a distance of 14.6 km.
Fired two missiles 48N6E2 at a target and target was destroyed at distance 4.6 km.

Shooting took place in conditions of jamming. The jamming level was set on the specificated level for the system.
The wreckage of the target:
(low-flying target):
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/03/13 07:30 PM

Experiment 4

Shooting against small ballistic target. Purpose: To check destroing of small tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs).
Shooting made AAMS number 3.
The target type TBM was autotracked from S-Z00PMU2 in autonomouse mode.
Target fired two missiles 48N6E2.
The target was destroyed.




----

Experiment 5

Shooting at receiding target. Purpose: To check on the destruction of the receiding target.
Shooting made AAMS number 1.

The target type of tactical aircraft autotracked by S-300PMU2 with target aquisition and designation from SC 83M6E2 -receiding speed- 248 m / s.
One 48N6E missile fired.
Target destroyed at a distance of 67.5 km and a height of 8 km.

Shooting took place in conditions of jamming. The jamming level was set on the specificated level for the system.

The wreckage of the target:




VKO (c)....
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/03/13 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Experiment number 2:

Shooting on the aircraft of strategic aviation. Purpose: Testing the liability of the system against targets on the far border of the engagement/fring zone.
Shooting made AAMS number 4.

The target was autotracked from S-300PMU2 after target designation and aquisition from SC 83M6E2.
Target fired one rocket 48N6E2.
The target was hit at a range of 184.6 km.
Shooting took place in conditions of jamming. The jamming level was set on the specificated level for the system.(???)

Click to reveal..


Target's wreckage:
Click to reveal..


-------

Experiment 3

Shooting at low-flying targets. Purpose: Testing the destruction of low-flying targets in strong reflections from the underlying surface .
Shooting made AAMS number 1.

Small target type UAV was autotracked from the S-300PMU2 after target aquisition and designation of all-altitude 96L6E detector at a distance of 14.6 km.
Fired two missiles 48N6E2 at a target and target was destroyed at distance 4.6 km.

Shooting took place in conditions of jamming. The jamming level was set on the specificated level for the system.
The wreckage of the target:
(low-flying target):
Click to reveal..



This picture nicely illustrates the lofted ballistic flightpath of the 48N6E2 missile...
... even more interesting, if you compare it to the flightpath of a V-880E missile from the S-200VE (SA-5B).
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/03/13 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

This picture nicely illustrates the lofted ballistic flightpath of the 48N6E2 missile...
... even more interesting, if you compare it to the flightpath of a V-880E missile from the S-200VE (SA-5B).


Yep, 48N6E2 goes really "balistic", not like "Malenkii Soyuz"... wink :


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/04/13 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp

This picture nicely illustrates the lofted ballistic flightpath of the 48N6E2 missile...
... even more interesting, if you compare it to the flightpath of a V-880E missile from the S-200VE (SA-5B).


Yep, 48N6E2 goes really "balistic", not like "Malenkii Soyuz"... wink :

Click to reveal..



Hehe, only the tip of that Soyuz is not going to be ballistic, Ist, and IInd stage does.
thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/04/13 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

Hehe, only the tip of that Soyuz is not going to be ballistic, Ist, and IInd stage does.
thumbsup


"Malenkiy SOYUZ" (or "Little Soyuz") is a nickname for S-200's missiles... wink
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/06/13 04:14 PM

Great video from the Swedish radio-technical troops, from the "Peaceful days" of the Cold War!!!



Click here ... ... to watch it in English!
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/06/13 06:34 PM

UZM, where our toys were made...

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/06/13 06:52 PM

I suspected some sexy chiks were involved... wink thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/06/13 07:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Great video from the Swedish radio-technical troops, from the "Peaceful days" of the Cold War!!!


Really amazing... Especially this Il-76/86 "elefant walk", and SR/MiG flights... thumbsup
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/13/13 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Last attempt...
FIRE CAN?


Indeed, it is the RPK-1 radar used with the S-60 system.
(Shilka has the RPK-2)


Firing range Drégelypalįnk, Hungary...


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/13/13 04:15 PM

Nice workplace...
thumbsup



Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/13/13 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Nice workplace...
thumbsup





its nice , but from witch system?
i seeing one panel in left side (like sa-4 range finder) so its one moveable system, 100 per 100 biggrin

....pantir? tunguska? sigh
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/13/13 08:47 PM

AHA biggrin

i find the answer

here
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/6071
thumbsup
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/13 12:06 PM

New Year, new war is started.
sigh

This time in Mali.





I do not expect much SAM actions here, but it might be interesting, that the Soviet Union sold SAM equipment to Mali during the Cold War.

1977
1pcs of S-125M Neva (SA-3B) system was sold, with 36pcs of V-601P 5V27U (Goa) missiles.

1983
2pcs of S-125M1A Neva (SA-3B) system was sold, with 70pcs of V-601PD 5V27D (Goa) missiles.

One SNR-125M (Low Blow) Fire Control radar can be found on Google Earth at the Bamako airport...
... with a P-18 above.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/13 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: farokh
i seeing one panel in left side (like sa-4 range finder) so its one moveable system, 100 per 100


You are 100% correct.
The 9K33 Osa (SA-8) was designed by the NII-20 bureau under the leadership of V.P. Efremov, right after the 2K11 KRUG (SA-4) system.


Im quite proud, that you could identify a Soviet SAM design bureau just looking at the operation panel!
biggrin
(left - Range Officer, middle - Angle Officer, right - Commander/shooter)



Greek Osa (from the ex East German Army inventory) is tracking Turkish F-4E Phantom...


... operated by 3 Greek Electras.
biggrin


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/13 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
New Year, new war is started.
sigh

........

I do not expect much SAM actions here, but it might be interesting, that the Soviet Union sold SAM equipment to Mali during the Cold War.

1pcs of S-125M Neva (SA-3B) system was sold, with 36pcs of V-601P 5V27U (Goa) missiles.

2pcs of S-125M1A Neva (SA-3B) system was sold, with 70pcs of V-601PD 5V27D (Goa) missiles.

One SNR-125M (Low Blow) Fire Control radar can be found on Google Earth at the Bamako airport...
... with a P-18 above.


I don't think as don't believe that muslim radikals has a personal to manage this equipment... At least Bamako is in hands of "good guys"...

Posted By: wasserfall

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/19/13 11:11 AM

With SAMsim; who knows! Maybe they got a few guys training on laptops with Hpasp's game :P
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/19/13 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: wasserfall
With SAMsim; who knows! Maybe they got a few guys training on laptops with Hpasp's game :P


It's not funny... At least SAMSIM didn't show the much more complicated SAM TUNING procedure which should be done on every startup of the SAM complex, nor the service prosedures, which should be done on weekly and monthly basis... (HOW ABOUT OPENING ALL BOXES AND CLEANING IT OUT WITH SPIRIT + CHECKIN' ELECTRONIC TUBES PARAMETERS???) wink
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/19/13 11:57 AM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: wasserfall
With SAMsim; who knows! Maybe they got a few guys training on laptops with Hpasp's game :P


It's not funny... At least SAMSIM didn't show the much more complicated SAM TUNING procedure which should be done on every startup of the SAM complex, nor the service prosedures, which should be done on weekly and monthly basis... (HOW ABOUT OPENING ALL BOXES AND CLEANING IT OUT WITH SPIRIT + CHECKIN' ELECTRONIC TUBES PARAMETERS???) wink


With this comment, you exposed yourself as a former SAM operator.
thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/19/13 12:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

With this comment, you exposed yourself as a former SAM operator.
thumbsup


After my secret was revealed I should say that I learned much more for the SAM's thrue this SIM and comunity, than till my military training... thumbsup

And about cleaning with spirit (which is due to dust electric conductivity, which could reflects on el. tubes) - the instruction say that "thin layer must be applied"... The instructor ask us - the conscripts - to show him how we apply a thin layer of spirit on and we just put some spiritus on a piece of clean, dry cotton and start cleaning, but when the instructor saw this, he starting to shout "No!No!No! Let me show you how!", and he took up the bottle of spiritus, take a huge swallow and then exhale his breathe on the opened rack and said" That's how must aplly a thin layer!..." and ask for a cucumber.. wink
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/19/13 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp

With this comment, you exposed yourself as a former SAM operator.
thumbsup


After my secret was revealed I should say that I learned much more for the SAM's thrue this SIM and comunity, than till my military training... thumbsup

And about cleaning with spirit (which is due to dust electric conductivity, which could reflects on el. tubes) - the instruction say that "thin layer must be applied"... The instructor ask us - the conscripts - to show him how we apply a thin layer of spirit on and we just put some spiritus on a piece of clean, dry cotton and start cleaning, but when the instructor saw this, he starting to shout "No!No!No! Let me show you how!", and he took up the bottle of spiritus, take a huge swallow and then exhale his breathe on the opened rack and said" That's how must aplly a thin layer!..." and ask for a cucumber.. wink


This is the exact description of the Russian cleaning method...
thumbsup
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/20/13 02:30 PM

Bristol Bloodhound.

Kind of 1960s futuristic looking.





Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/22/13 03:48 PM

firing 35MM oriklein mellinuim
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/23/13 07:22 PM

http://www.ausairpower.net/PDF-A/APA-Proliferation-Brief-Sept-2012-A.pdf
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/23/13 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
Bristol Bloodhound.

Kind of 1960s futuristic looking.


Cool!... Hpasp, it's worth it!...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/23/13 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Mdore
Bristol Bloodhound.

Kind of 1960s futuristic looking.


Cool!... Hpasp, it's worth it!...


Here in the Moscow Air Defense Museum, we have several well known, and even futuristic looking SAM systems.
(If anybody could take good photos from a stative there...)



Kind of end of 1970s futuristic looking.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/23/13 08:47 PM







Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/23/13 09:03 PM



Page 87... dizzy
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/24/13 06:56 AM



Lots of Cuban systems, and some Cuban modifications. Some are from SAM Simulator, some not, so I thought I'd put it here.
Posted By: Amidkor

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/24/13 03:57 PM



Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/26/13 09:16 AM

http://www.defensereview.com/rheinmetall...of-air-defense/
Posted By: Amidkor

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/31/13 05:18 AM

64L6 "Gamma-S" http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=482509 http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3201/russianarms.1/0_267b8_e2f0be31_L
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/01/13 09:31 PM



2.09




Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 01:41 PM

IRAN Unveiling new generation of the RADAR ! VOSTOK dizzy

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 03:18 PM







Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 04:01 PM

Ahhh, my favorite SAM system...





Posted By: Vympel

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 04:55 PM

How well could you simulate S-300? Would it be 'realistic to the switch', as switches are concerned, and just radar and missile performance guessed? Or you would have to guess every thing? Are manuals available?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 05:32 PM

Amidkor, this is my favorite documentary, thank you!...


EDIT:


Does anyone knows what a hell is this?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 07:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Vympel
How well could you simulate S-300? Would it be 'realistic to the switch', as switches are concerned, and just radar and missile performance guessed? Or you would have to guess every thing? Are manuals available?


How well, the SAMSIM simulates the S-75M3 Volhov system?
Probably, this is the best free simulation available, but I'm aware of those points, where the system operation is simplified.
(RS/AS/AS-AP,RL-TV, etc)

If I would ever create an S-300PMU simulation, than it would be the best free SAMSIM available, but less authentic than the Volhov.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
but less authentic than the Volhov.


excuse me i dont understand ... why s-300 pmu simulation can be less authentic than the Volhov.?
what about mim-104 patriot simulation ? it will be less authentic than the Volhov. too?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: farokh
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
but less authentic than the Volhov.


excuse me i dont understand ... why s-300 pmu simulation can be less authentic than the Volhov.?
what about mim-104 patriot simulation ? it will be less authentic than the Volhov. too?


I can rate the simulation authenticity about the amount of information I'm aware of the system...

S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: YES
System operators available to answer questions during development: YES
Original operation documentation is available: YES
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 4 points.

S-125M Neva (SA-3B)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: YES
System operators available to answer questions during development: YES
Original operation documentation is available: YES
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 4 points.

KRUG (SA-4B)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: YES
System operators available to answer questions during development: YES
Original operation documentation is available: YES
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 4 points.

S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: YES
System operators available to answer questions during development: YES
Original operation documentation is available: YES
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 4 points.

SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: YES
System operators available to answer questions during development: NO
Original operation documentation is available: YES
Videos available showing the system operation: NO

Altogether 2 points.

ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: YES
System operators available to answer questions during development: YES
Original operation documentation is available: YES
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 4 points.

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Systems not simulated:

Nike Hercules
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: YES, but requires a 1000km drive...
System operators available to answer questions during development: Hopefully
Original operation documentation is available: Partially
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 3 points.

S-25M Berkut (SA-1)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: It is available at the PVO museum in Moscow, but nobody taken the required shots so far.
System operators available to answer questions during development: NO
Original operation documentation is available: YES
Videos available showing the system operation: NO

Altogether 1,5 points.

S-60
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: It is available in Hungary, but was not able to got inside at any of it.
System operators available to answer questions during development: YES
Original operation documentation is available: NO
Videos available showing the system operation: NO

Altogether 1,5 points.

S-300PT Biryusa (SA-10A)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: It is available at the PVO museum in Moscow, but nobody taken the required shots so far.
System operators available to answer questions during development: NO
Original operation documentation is available: NO
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 1,5 points.

S-300PMU (SA-10B)
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: NO, but can be generated digitally.
System operators available to answer questions during development: NO
Original operation documentation is available: NO
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 1 points.

Patriot
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: NO, but can be generated digitally.
System operators available to answer questions during development: NO
Original operation documentation is available: NO
Videos available showing the system operation: YES

Altogether 1 points.


OSA
Real system is available to photo the required screen-shots: NO
System operators available to answer questions during development: NO
Original operation documentation is available: Partially
Videos available showing the system operation: NO

Altogether 0.5 points.
Posted By: Vympel

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 09:13 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Does anyone knows what a hell is this?


I do... It is Vulcan missile, Yugoslavian attempt at SAM system. It was being developed, but dropped in late 60s in favor of russian S-75.

You can read more here. (with google translator, of course)

Edit: Hpasp, when you say S-60 do you mean AAA?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/09/13 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Vympel

Edit: Hpasp, when you say S-60 do you mean AAA?


I mean the RPK-1 radar of the S-60 AAA system.

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/15/13 10:03 AM

You will surely notice some well known things, as well as some OSA pictures :-)

click here
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/15/13 12:20 PM

Nice Video collection...

http://infowsparcie.net/wria/video/galeria/video.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/23/13 09:27 AM

Some useful info:

http://www.jedsite.info/codewords/sierra/su-electronics_series/soviet-electronics.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/27/13 07:29 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/27/13 07:48 PM

Just a model...
rolleyes
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/27/13 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Just a model...
rolleyes


DAMN! I just thought "Well, now Farokh should buy a beer for all SamSim community!"... wink
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/27/13 08:11 PM

The real one...
... 5P85DU.
thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/27/13 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
The real one...
... 5P85DU.


DAMN!DAMN! Now I must buy a beer for all SAMSIM community!.. wink
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/02/13 11:50 AM



Quote:
FIRST MISSILE KILLED BY A MISSILE--Traveling at thousands of miles an hour, a NIKE HERCULES guided missile (left) tracked and shot down a CORPORAL ballistic missile (right) high over the WSMR. 3 June 1960. Picture sequence in center shows destruction of the target. This test marked the first time for a missile to be killed by a missile, and it was the first involving the NIKE HERCULES. Earlier in the year, a HAWK guided missile had shot down an HONEST JOHN, a short-range unguided rocket. (WSMR Photo, 3 June 1960)


[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=41oy1v0K-Pg#t=275s[/video]
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/03/13 05:33 AM

Cool video, though sometimes I wonder how effective western SAMs really are. Say what you want about Russian SAMs, at least they've had lots of real combat experience to work out the bugs. The few times western SAMs have been used, they haven't worked too great. Patriots missing Scuds in Iraq, or British SAMs failing to protect UK warships in the Falklands.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/03/13 09:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Just a model...
rolleyes


YES... dear hpasp say right ....! they are models... but as i remember , some body said RAAD is a model too... but they launch it and it work so good!....

they are full reach of oil money, they are crazy and they do what they want to do ! banghead

RAAD is a upgraded version of BUK


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/05/13 08:15 PM



It works on different type of targets (even baloon1).... yep
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/08/13 01:08 PM


SA-8 9K33 Osa.

The channel that video is on has LOTS of military documentaries.




And here's the actual missile
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/09/13 08:42 AM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/09/13 09:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Serbian invention I guess...
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/09/13 07:05 PM

Fake or real? Neva with Osa missiles? thumbsup jawdrop
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/09/13 07:21 PM

Quote:
This is not OSA, no sense at all... Should be something IR....


My bad! it is definitely OSA missiles...
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/09/13 08:51 PM

Yes, at first I thought about Strela too, they are similar, but shorter, with slightly different tube caps and tubes have different bottom side.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/09/13 10:10 PM

hpasp, this story is a great history of SAM fights !
would you design it on samsim?
one and best mission based on national geography thumbsup

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/09/13 10:33 PM

Originally Posted By: farokh
hpasp, this story is a great history of SAM fights !
would you design it on samsim?


http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3732771/Re_Two_sided_coin#Post3732771
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/10/13 07:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Why would anyone do that?!

Taking an SA-8 and making it not mobile, makes no sense.

Maybe they ran out of SA-3 missiles, so put SA-8 missiles on an SA-3 launch site?
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/10/13 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Why would anyone do that?!

Taking an SA-8 and making it not mobile, makes no sense.

Maybe they ran out of SA-3 missiles, so put SA-8 missiles on an SA-3 launch site?


This "invention" is from Ashuluk firing range, AFAIK. It is used to fire the Saman target drones, which are modified 9M33 Osa missiles. The Neva's launcher is used because it is normally used to fire the Pischal target drones, which are modified 5V27's.
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/10/13 01:35 PM


These are target types currently used in Ashuluk:










Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/10/13 02:30 PM

Nice, Lonewolf357!!!

I bet it is useful for Hpasp!
Posted By: Sim

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/18/13 03:46 PM

Not sure if this been posted before. S125 2D upgrade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acsPvxw-Cjc
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/19/13 02:16 PM

Hungarian SAM units live firing at Ashuluk in 1985.

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/19/13 05:26 PM

"OSA-T"...


Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/30/13 07:14 PM

Loads of info about decommissioned Roland
(tehnical drawings, detailed videos, etc)
http://flarakgrp42.de/technik/rolandchronik/index.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/31/13 09:05 PM



Look closer at 0.11... Check credits at the end of the video.... biggrin
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/03/13 01:16 PM



SA-15s shooting at SA-8 target drones
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/03/13 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
Click to reveal..


SA-15s shooting at SA-8 target drones


And the full advertisement video...
thumbsup

Posted By: Sim

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/07/13 01:53 AM



Wha?
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/07/13 05:25 AM

That's a TQ-2, a Chinese high altitude target drone. Another pic!

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/07/13 12:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Hungarian SAM units live firing at Ashuluk in 1985.



hpasp... do u have any video about new live exercise from hungarian KUB?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/09/13 06:38 PM

rofl

Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/09/13 06:42 PM

Realistic to the switch ~ only one switch, the rest is made up though.

Not convinced you'd want to be wandering about that close to an energised radar either... but that I concede *might* be me being over-cautious... I like being fertile and having a normal temperature brain...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/09/13 07:32 PM

He used YOUR P-18 VIKO!!!!! boom

Hpasp, I believe you should register you software!...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/13/13 06:35 PM

nice...
biggrin





Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/13/13 08:44 PM

next system after gevko on samsim ? hah? biggrin
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/14/13 11:04 AM



Some shots from inside of BUK...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/24/13 10:43 PM

A video with 2 versions of SA-10...
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/01/13 09:41 AM

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/30/13 09:02 AM

Maybe we will see S-300 in action soon. According to our newspaper Syria has got a shipment of S-300's (version not stated).
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/30/13 09:53 AM

Syria's a terrible place to be at the moment. 80,000 dead so far, by the best estimates. frown

And Syria's air defences are a lot tougher than Libya's a few years ago. Libya is a large country with a small military. Everything is spread out, and easy to defeat. But Syria is a small nation with lots of air defences. A lot of old SA-2 and SA-3 systems, but some upgraded to make them resistant to jamming. They also have some modern systems like SA-17 and Pantsir-S1.

Maybe it's too strong for any nation to do anything.
Posted By: wasserfall

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/31/13 10:26 PM

One thing that worries me is that it seems that things that get sold to Syria sometimes end up in Israel
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/01/13 09:09 AM

Originally Posted By: wasserfall
One thing that worries me is that it seems that things that get sold to Syria sometimes end up in Israel


I do not really believe, that there exist any capability of the S-300PMU, that is unknown to the West or Israel.
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/01/13 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: wasserfall
One thing that worries me is that it seems that things that get sold to Syria sometimes end up in Israel


I do not really believe, that there exist any capability of the S-300PMU, that is unknown to the West or Israel.



S-300PMU - yes, but how about S-300PMU-2? It is a bit different, actually closer to S-400 in some aspects than to original S-300PS.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/08/13 03:47 PM

Misfire:



And Hpasp's favorite:



Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/08/13 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79

And Hpasp's favorite:




Nope, this is the S-300PM/PMU1 (SA-20A), while my favorite is the S-300PS/PMU (SA-10B).
biggrin
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/08/13 05:37 PM

It looks same to me from inside...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/08/13 06:04 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
It looks same to me from inside...


Ahhh my heart!
duh
(like comparing Volhov to Vega...)

S-300PS/PMU Volhov-M6 (SA-10B)




S-300PM/PMU1 Volhov-M6M (SA-20A)



Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/08/13 06:36 PM

I am sorry, but I guess I am more vintage fan...

By the way an old bug reappeared sigh (again found by Max2012)...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/20/13 05:55 PM

Here: http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/ALL_OUT/TiVOut0507/ZRPtr/ZRPtr001.htm

About MIM-104 Patriot (russian speakers only).... frown
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/24/13 04:59 PM

http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-HDBK/MIL-HDBK-1000-1299/MIL_HDBK_1211_2041/
Posted By: Sim

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/01/13 10:53 PM

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

I dont recall if this has been posted here yet.

It's a doc about Patriots' fail to intercept SCUD in 91
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/02/13 06:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Sim
It's a doc about Patriots' fail to intercept SCUD in 91


Thank you!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/03/13 05:53 PM

Japanesse S-300:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_3_Ch%C5%AB-SAM
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/03/13 09:34 PM

I think this discussion belongs to this topic.



Originally Posted By: ePap

I never saw a consol like this in a TOR !

Agree, havent seen TOR using this "angle/range mode"


This one is naval Tor (Kinzhal) (way different panels/screens, also cant see screen like above)


And this one is console of AK630 on this ship, (possibly use of this mode, but cant see screen like above)


So mystery continues.. smile
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/04/13 06:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Lieste
Kashtan? ~ this is one of those vessels also fitted with CADS-N-1... and if it isn't Kinzhal (SAN-9)...?

(The bevel looks very similar to the far left screen on the Tunguska panel FWIW)


Most russian sources write that only Udaloy-class II Admiral Chabanenko have Kashtan.

Indeed, screen in Tunguska is quite similar.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/04/13 12:20 PM

Interesting article...
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/04/13 03:17 PM

The Adm Vinogradov is indeed a Udaloy I, so shouldn't have/had Kashtan ~ the only images of her are from before late 1992, so there may have been changes under a test-program to fit with the paper description and date (one year later?) Never read anything about it though, so isn't likely ~ I'd have expected to find confirmation of her upgrade if it had taken place.

Puzzling.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/04/13 05:33 PM

http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-110323-034.pdf
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/04/13 07:48 PM

Mistery solved:



15 minute, 20 seconds...


P.S.

Any ideas who did this to poor "Etandard"?:



Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/04/13 08:36 PM

All I have is "SAM", 199404151525 (unclear if Zulu or local) over Bosnia, Etendard IVP reconnaisance, hit at 1500m 325KIAS. Recovered to Clemenceau without flaps. That might be enough (should be) to reconcile with Bosnian records/SAM types...

More info, apparently vicinity Goradze...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umYjVBQYKno (Recovery)

Comments indicate MANPAD, but it could be a larger tactical SAM (~ looks 'more' extensive and less localised damage than A4 hits by SA7 types...
Another page suggests SA-14 but I don't know if that was in the local service?

http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t4877-dassault-aviation-etendard-iv
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/05/13 05:26 AM

Since it hit the rear, it was probably IR. It looks like more damage than a MANPADS could do. So wouldn't that leave SA-9 and possibly SA-13?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/05/13 05:46 PM



Quote:
**; hit by SA-7 "Grail" missile 17/01/91
in the afterburner cans,
"Purple Heart" award
right engine problems only
Pilot - Major Ken “Cheyenne” Bode
WSO - John "Ping" Scanlan








Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/05/13 07:49 PM

piston79: thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/07/13 07:52 AM

http://waronline.org/fora/index.php?attachments/octwar-56-pdf.5973/

http://waronline.org/fora/index.php?attachments/octwar-21a-pdf.5970/

Nice reads...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/07/13 05:50 PM

Strela-10:

http://vbox7.com/play:c34aea46


Looking at those launches, I remembered about stupid american film "Behind enemy lines", where "Hornet" was being chased by one of those babies.... biggrin
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/10/13 05:27 PM

Hungarian SAM regiment prepares for live shooting...

http://legiero.blog.hu/2013/07/07/air_power_vaskereken_azaz_vasuton_utazik_a_lerak
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/10/13 06:15 PM

What's with the train platform? Too old?

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/10/13 07:03 PM

Train specification below Soviet standard...
biggrin
Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/10/13 07:46 PM

They just had gravity set a bit high ~ minor tweak ~ and that'll buff right out anyway.
Posted By: Silver_Dragon

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/12/13 04:04 PM

Something has free cash?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2K11-KRUG...8806#vi-content bump
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/18/13 09:22 PM

Missile guidance
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/21/13 02:38 PM

Here the story of Etandarts:

http://translate.google.bg/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=bg&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.netmarine.net%2Faero%2Funites%2F16f%2Fhistoire.htm

Another one took a hit also...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/31/13 06:03 PM

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/01/13 10:49 AM

Nice video thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/01/13 07:53 PM

HAWK inside:

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/01/13 08:09 PM

Nice, too thumbsup
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/13 11:25 AM

Created from several photos...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/13 03:28 PM

So, this should be a SA-9, right?
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/13 05:37 PM

Preparation for a new SAMSIM version? wave
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/13 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
So, this should be a SA-9, right?


nope
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/13 06:24 PM

SA-13? There is a window on it!
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/13 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
SA-13? There is a window on it!


?

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/15/13 12:05 PM

Some nice Vietnam recordings of F-105 pilots


Click here
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/15/13 11:22 PM

"A little bit" over optimistic marketing video.
(like exSoviet propaganda)

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/16/13 06:11 AM

yep thumbsup

US B-2, F-22, A-10 and F-18. They are friends now, so we put some other signs on them thumbsup
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/18/13 06:50 AM

These videos aren't really connected with air defence, but they're so awesome, I just had to post. It's a bunch of videos about mechanical computers used in gun aiming. Mostly it's for ship vs ship, but I guess the general idea would work for AA use too, maybe in the Shilka. Anyway, I loved them, and thought some people here might like them too.

Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpkTHyfr0pM
Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7m02XDfvE
Video 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXYPgseaUOY
Video 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVkvr_CoyvI
Video 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVbwJd0Hhs
Video 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZI-PydfsQs
Video 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tha2ejeMAJU
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/13 06:33 PM

Russian S-350 SAM system...



... also nice reading.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/t4bfjzc6ayfnl8x/The_S-300_and_S-400.pdf
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/13 06:40 PM

Soon... wink

http://pan.bg/view_article-49-18681-Podg...habla-2013.html
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/28/13 09:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Russian S-350 SAM system...



... also nice reading.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/t4bfjzc6ayfnl8x/The_S-300_and_S-400.pdf


S-300PS and PT will retire in 2015 in Russia. Let's hope for some documentation to become available thumbsup
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/29/13 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Russian S-350 SAM system...



... also nice reading.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/t4bfjzc6ayfnl8x/The_S-300_and_S-400.pdf


S-300PS and PT will retire in 2015 in Russia. Let's hope for some documentation to become available thumbsup


i think max2012 is russian !
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/29/13 05:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Russian S-350 SAM system...





... And its specifications:


Translation:
"Purpose:
The medium-range S-350E SAM system is designed for air defence of administrative, industrial and military installations against massed attacks by existing and future threats.
The S-350E is capable to simultaneously engage various threats from all directions (360 degrees) at all altitudes - from extremely low to high.
The S-350E can operate independently or as a part of air defence network, being controlled by superior command posts.
The combat operation is fully automatic. Crew prepares the SAM and controls (observes) the engagements.

Composition:
50K6E command post;
50N6E multi-function radars (up to two)
50P6E launchers (up to 8), each with 12 9M96E2 missiles.

Specifications:
Maximum number of simultaneously engaged targets:
-aerodynamic: 16
-ballistic: 12
Maximum number of simultaneously guided missiles: 32
Engagement zone against aerodynamic targets:
-min./max. range: 1,5/60 km
-min./max. altitude: 10m/30 km
Engagement zone against ballistic tragets:
-min./max. range: 1,5/30 km
-min./max.altitude: 2/25 km
Time to deploy from the move: 5 minutes
Combat crew: 3 men"
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/13 08:32 AM





Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/13 08:55 AM

New missiles for TOR M1/M2 !!!

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/205048.html

Russians seems to be in Air Deffense verve !!!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/13 07:48 PM

http://pan.bg/view_article-49-18727-FOTOOKO-2-OT-TUBS-ShABLA-2013.html

http://pan.bg/view_article-49-18732-FOTOOKO-3-OT-TUBS-ShABLA-2013.html
Posted By: Amidkor

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/05/13 02:33 PM

TV Show "Poligon". Episode "Pancer S-1" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSfSLhN7h0
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/24/13 06:09 PM


Ode to PRV...


Quote:
"Having started my service in the PVO on the complex 5N87 , I have often provided technical assistance to the divisions of the repairing their radars and PRV-s. Each year, part went to the ground, often in Sary- Shagan. Once at the site right on the day of shooting I was urgently sent to the position of the S -75 to help set up the altimeter PRV- 13 , with which the commander of intelligence battalion suffered for two days. It turned out that the crews, which have been here for training had "simplified" PRV- 13 and "refined" it so much that it swinging , rotating, and transmitting starts simultaneously. Dehydrator did not exist, and the liquid cooling system howling, driving the tubes some haze .
If it were possible to draw a diagram of the control cabin of PRV , it would fit on
A4 sheet . Rotary amplifier when the rotation was buzzing like a siren ,
because all of its automatic step connection replaced 3 sticks that need
was successively inserted into the contactor .
Where was the trailer B2 with dead potentialoscope no one knew and did not look for it, whilst there was a trigger pulse . Most importantly, the PRV was alive..... High power switching only at the minimum , in an attempt to increase the power thyratron TGI1 -700 / ... started to shoot and flashed like a neon lamp, AFC has worked in a continuous mode , switch to another channel was not possible because of the absence of the VG- 12 adjustment mechanism and also waveguide switch was tightly bound with wire in one position. Receiver after the adjustment to the normal frequency of the mirror started to work fine, but only in the amplitude mode , confidently showing local objects . With the swing had to tinker a little longer .
Modified by someone automation cabinet CM -23 antenna forced to start swinging
conjunction with a hydraulic pump , so do not have enough pressure and antenna sharply
fell to a lower limit switch , had to first remove the amplitude and wait "Kach.30" mode
until the water pump spin up , then to adjust the swing . "CAUTION " lamp in this PRV is triggered even when you open the cabine door , I thought it was a joke or pore PRV, begged him not to be touched anymore.
Luckily, after couple of hours repairing and adjustments the altimeter managed to find at a decent range aircraft
on the air root Almaty - Karaganda . We all sigh of relief but the battalion commander decided not to switch PRV
off until the end of practice shooting, in case it didn't manage to start working again....
And still running in the morning 'till afternoon PRV frightened squirrels with it's swinging' antenna and howling hydraulics.
An hour before the shooting on the CP raised the red flag and then we buzzed the whole SAM unit - rotating
P-18, SNR moved, crew loaded rockets, launchers deployed in a combat sector. Combat crew took their seats in the cabins, green screens lit up with an officer pointing and operators of RS. In the "U" cabin of S- 75 were remote indicators of the P-18 and a wardrobe of PRV that provide info for guidance station . When they announced the readiness minute , for half an hour PRV already searched the area near the point of known azimuth from a range of 95 km were the target was about to take off...
"Start RM" was the cry from the brigade CP , "Start RM detect the target" shouted the battalion commander ,
Time passed , and the target did not appear. 15 seconds stretched into minutes, "Where's the target?" - yelled
from CP , "Where's the target?" shouted the commander of air defense missile systems , and there, exactly on the same azimuth and on the very same range 95 km at an altitude of 5 km , there was a mark and rapidly spread upwards on the screen.
"There is a target, height 5 .. 7 .. 10 ... 15 .. 18 .... 20" , with every stroke PRV seen the enemy ,
which has ceased to gain altitude and a speed of 1 km per second was rushing to a meeting
PRV . P-18 is also finally found the target , but led her not confident, sometimes not giving a mark
on every turn of the antenna. A PRV is gripped the target in a stranglehold as a well-trained dog
that sees the prey and forgets the humiliations from it's master.
"High altitude , high speed Target - Height 20 , Range 85!" (do not care that does not work MTI) , ..."Height 20 , Range 80, " (to hell with it, with coherent channel) ... "Height 20 , range 75 " (running does not help you go away, and with just one magnetron we 'll get you) . Meanwhile, the SNR in the " wide beam " as a blind kitten , vainly trying to discover what has long been seen by PRV. She (PRV) came to the rescue and gave the commander of the air defense system command: " TSU2 on SNR ." At this point , thank God, not touched by anyone relay selsyns connected PRV and SNR , the azimuth and elevation drive simultaneously turned SNR
in the right direction and then on the indicators pointing officer appeared a mark.
" Target on RS " - a guidance officer gave the operators follow the target.
" Target acquired , height 20 , range 70 " gleefully reported the commander of the air defense system!
"Destroy Target at the entrance to the killing zone" - happily gave the command the CP(HQ) , "The target is on AS "
" Missiles for preparation" , "Loaders to the shelter!." A PRV is at this time continued to accompany the " enemy" tracking its azimuth , despite the crippled EMU , he was ready at any moment to give
new CU-2 and implement the task. "The first - start, the second - start" , the officer just starting
time to press the button , because all of us except the guidance officer jumped out of the cab
and ran to the parapet . Because of the embankment launcher appears a cloud of dust and smoke and fire,
with a dull roar 5YA23 soars to meet the target, almost immediately after her second rushes ,
they already know exactly where to go and what to do , 90 kg of TNT in each of them is not a joke.
As long as we are seeing with delight as landfill in the cloudless sky flying rockets, PRV continues
its work and on it's display two lines appeared and move to meet the target , more than half a minute passes before they meet. "Hooray, detonation! " - we are screeming and embrace each other ,
"Target destroyed, Height 20 , range 40" reported from PRV.
He fulfilled his mission. And we are well noted successful shooting".....


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/01/13 09:06 AM

Chinese made HQ9 (S-300 clone) in NATO?

http://i-hls.com/2013/09/turkey-is-breaking-away-from-the-west-and-nato/

Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/25/13 10:34 AM

Bloodhound SAM footage
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/25/13 04:46 PM

Quote:
Bloodhound SAM footage


Nasty!
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/27/13 12:05 PM

HMAS PERTH MIDPAC 2013 PMRF Firings against sea skimming Mach3 target salvo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GQM-163_Coyote

Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/28/13 10:38 AM

Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/28/13 11:00 AM

Nice ! thumbsup
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/30/13 07:33 PM

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/02/13 12:16 PM

god forgive america




Posted By: Architrav

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/02/13 11:19 PM

Found a nice East German recrutation video from the 80s showing off all of their anti-air weapons.



There are not many shots of the instruments, but the video quality is good. And it's got funky music!
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/03/13 11:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Architrav
Found a nice East German recrutation video from the 80s showing off all of their anti-air weapons.
There are not many shots of the instruments, but the video quality is good. And it's got funky music!


Great footage!
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/04/13 05:55 PM

Aegis Ashore

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/04/13 05:58 PM

Another interesting workspace, where Soviet missile technology exceeded the world...

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/04/13 07:17 PM

Kinecting moment
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/04/13 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Another interesting workspace, where Soviet missile technology exceeded the world...


mobile ICBM launcher console?
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/05/13 05:10 AM

It look suspiciouslly like the inside of a Soviet spacecraft.
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/05/13 05:58 AM

Zeus ABM


Bomark SAM
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/10/13 11:20 AM

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/13/13 07:49 PM

iran make a new sm2 generation for defense ?



ps: tnx to piston79
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/17/13 06:41 PM

Hi guys...

In SAM site overview data (.kmz file for Google Earth) from here:

http://geimint.blogspot.com/search/label/SAM%20Site%20Overview

there are a lot of USSR SAM sites in some US desert zones (from SA-2 to SA-10), also some EW assets (like "Thin Shield" etc.).

Are those US made imitators, or real systems? Any source of info about those sites?
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/18/13 05:26 AM

I don't suppose you have a copy of that file or know where else it could be downloaded? I accidentally lost my copy months ago, and it not longer will download from that website for me.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/18/13 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
I don't suppose you have a copy of that file or know where else it could be downloaded? I accidentally lost my copy months ago, and it not longer will download from that website for me.


This is not the latest one, but hope it is worthy..

I cannot download the latest one too...

http://www.mediafire.com/?44rfbkfygamz77u
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/20/13 11:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Another interesting workspace, where Soviet missile technology exceeded the world...



So what is it? Is it really a mobile ICBM launcher (according to the globe with mark at somewhere at USA?)?
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/20/13 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
It look suspiciouslly like the inside of a Soviet spacecraft.

So you were right :-)

Google reveals this.
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/22/13 07:31 AM

From that link;
http://album.reality.hu/panos/szojuz2/
wow!
Quote:
interesting workspace
indeed
Realistic to switch Soyuz? biggrin
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/22/13 01:23 PM

Do you know, what is this?



Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/26/13 08:22 AM

Remains on Kildin Island. But I do not know from which particular (probably) missile this part is. It looks like an exhaust nozzle with some kind of thrust vectoring.

Anyways, more photos here, also S-125 missile containers can be seen there.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/26/13 05:22 PM

It looks like an exhaust nozzle with some kind of thrust vectoring...
... and folded wings, so it is launched from ...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/26/13 09:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
... and folded wings, so it is launched from ...


Tube... wink
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/27/13 07:31 AM

Yes, S-300?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/27/13 05:13 PM

Correct.
thumbsup
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/27/13 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Another interesting workspace, where Soviet missile technology exceeded the world...




Even nicer...

biggrin
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/28/13 06:55 PM

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/29/13 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Correct.
thumbsup

I have looked at the pictures from the Kildin Island again and it was not obvious for me at the first moment, but it looks like there are remains of S-300PT version - remains of trailers (launcher, radar mast), even clam shell radar head, missile parts....

What about the thing with a jet engine, what could it be?

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/30/13 10:06 AM

Our friend from Ashuluk...

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/03/13 07:12 PM

Posted By: Comrade_Hedgehog

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/13 09:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Our friend from Ashuluk...




Awww, its soooo cute, KILL IT! duckhunter

On a more serious note were/are these things remote controlled or gyro guided?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/13 08:41 PM

http://www.mod.gov.rs/sadrzaj.php?id_sadrzaja=5464&active=video

Awesome!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/13 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Comrade_Hedgehog


On a more serious note were/are these things remote controlled or gyro guided?


Remoted.... LA-17MM had a system for automated landing only...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/05/13 01:47 PM



Nice!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/05/13 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Do you know, what is this?




Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/06/13 09:49 AM

Not precisely, there are remains of an S-300PT and your picture shows a PS version yep
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/06/13 11:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Not precisely, there are remains of an S-300PT and your picture shows a PS version yep


I just want to show the missile's folded wings... And you cannot be sure about the version from those pictures, as they used same type missiles!
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/06/13 12:36 PM

Yes I understood the reason, the wings can be clearly seen.

But you can distinguish both version for sure, because of the simple fact you already know :-) PT is tazennyj, which has everything on the trailers (which can be seen on pictures I posted before, look at that link) and the trailer does not have the typical "house" which can be seen on your picture under the masking net. Contrary to it PS samochodnyj has this "house" located just behind the drivers cabin.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/06/13 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Yes I understood the reason, the wings can be clearly seen.

But you can distinguish both version for sure, because of the simple fact you already know :-) PT is tazennyj, which has everything on the trailers (which can be seen on pictures I posted before, look at that link) and the trailer does not have the typical "house" which can be seen on your picture under the masking net. Contrary to it PS samochodnyj has this "house" located just behind the drivers cabin.


The S-300PS launcher can launch both the 5V55K, and the 5V55R missiles.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/08/13 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Another interesting workspace, where Soviet missile technology exceeded the world...



biggrin


http://mmet.livejournal.com/71462.html jawdrop
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/09/13 08:22 AM

GREAT PICTURES!
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/09/13 02:40 PM

Air defense of the Winter Olympic in Sochi...

http://englishrussia.com/2013/12/09/olympic-sky-under-protection/


Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/09/13 02:55 PM

I think the Russian air defences are a lot more capable than the UK's air defences of the 2012 olympics.

Rapier is a pretty poor system.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/09/13 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
I think the Russian air defences are a lot more capable than the UK's air defences of the 2012 olympics.
Rapier is a pretty poor system.


Air Defense is usually measured by its effectiveness...
... 0 attackers against Rapier means 100% success.
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/10/13 06:14 AM

Rapier entered service in 1971. It was designed to directly hit the target, so it had a tiny 1.4kg warhead and no proximity fuse. Its maximum range and altitude were only slightly better than shoulder launched SAMs. And it was optically guided, so could only be used during the day time and clear weather. Pretty terrible eh? But what can you expect from a light weight, highly mobile system?... except it wasn't highly mobile, it was a towed system that took a long time to set up.

By 1979, they realised it would be a good idea if the Rapier could be fired at targets even if it was dark, foggy or the aircraft were above clouds, so they added a Radar to a 1/3rd of them.

It was used to defend the British army during the Falklands war, but it was a fragile system, and broke down frequently. The Rapier attacked many Argentine aircraft during the Falklands war. And initially it was claimed it achieved 14 kills and 6 probable kills.

But after the war, they looked closely at what was claimed, and decided the real numbers were, 1 confirmed kill, 2 probable kills and 2 possible kills.

Due to its poor performance during 1982, they quickly upgraded the system, and by quickly, I mean 1995. They put in a bigger warhead, and a proximity fuse, and increased its range by 20%

I just don't think it's a very good system frown
Posted By: Comrade_Hedgehog

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/10/13 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
Rapier entered service in 1971. It was designed to directly hit the target, so it had a tiny 1.4kg warhead and no proximity fuse. Its maximum range and altitude were only slightly better than shoulder launched SAMs. And it was optically guided, so could only be used during the day time and clear weather. Pretty terrible eh? But what can you expect from a light weight, highly mobile system?... except it wasn't highly mobile, it was a towed system that took a long time to set up.

By 1979, they realised it would be a good idea if the Rapier could be fired at targets even if it was dark, foggy or the aircraft were above clouds, so they added a Radar to a 1/3rd of them.

It was used to defend the British army during the Falklands war, but it was a fragile system, and broke down frequently. The Rapier attacked many Argentine aircraft during the Falklands war. And initially it was claimed it achieved 14 kills and 6 probable kills.

But after the war, they looked closely at what was claimed, and decided the real numbers were, 1 confirmed kill, 2 probable kills and 2 possible kills.

Due to its poor performance during 1982, they quickly upgraded the system, and by quickly, I mean 1995. They put in a bigger warhead, and a proximity fuse, and increased its range by 20%

I just don't think it's a very good system frown


That's why we have Eurofighters (& previously Tornado)
The west has never really pursed the SAM route to the same extent the Soviets & Russians have.
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/10/13 06:02 PM

the UK had the Thunderbird until 1977? and Bloodhound till 1991. Both long range, high altitude systems.

But now, without the RAF, the army couldn't even shoot down a WW1 Zeppelin, since the British Army now only has the Javelin and Starstreak, and neither of those can go over 10,000ft. So much for being the best military in Europe. :P

Still, fingers crossed the UK will have CAMM in 2016, which is much more capable than the Rapier!
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/10/13 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Mdore
I just don't think it's a very good system frown


Rapier had its fair share of mismanagement during the Falkland War.

- Blindfire radars were cleverly left in the UK, caused by logistics.
- Second line repair equipment was left on Ascension (all optical tracking repair vehicles).
- Planned practice firing at Ascension was cancelled.
- Rapier SAM sites were located on hilltops, so they had to shoot downwards.
(same mistake as the Syrians done in the Bekaa valley)
- During Argentine attacks, there were so many British Helos around, that IFF was always RED.
(they had to rely on visual ID only)

During the conflict, 61 missiles were fired, and killed 1 Dagger-A (Grupo 6, Rio Grande, C-436, Teniente Juan Doming Bernhart, killed during ejection).
(25% of missiles went out of control after launch, and 60% were launched as deterrent - out of range)

In my opinion, Rapier was a capable system...
... but was stripped from its radar, and maintenance, plus were mismanaged badly during the conflict.


To be on the fair side:

British

Blowpipe - 95 launched - 1 MB-339A killed
Rapier - 61 launched - 1 Dagger-A killed
Seacat - no kills
Sea Dart - 7 aircraft & 2 helo kills
Seawolf - 3+1* kills *(crashed during evading)

Sidewinder AIM-9L - 26 launched - 19 kills
Aden 30mm - 4 aircraft & 4 helo kills


Argentine

Oerlikon 35mm with Skyguard - 1 Harrier FRS1 (800Sqn, HMS Hermes, XZ450, "50", Lt N Taylor, KIA - no ejection)
Roland - 1 Harrier FRS1 (801Sqn, HMS Invincible, "08", XZ456, Lt I Mortimer, ejected succesfully)
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 11:19 AM

First live shooting of the Greek S-300!!!

http://defenceline.gr/index.php/enoples-dynameis/polemikh-aeroporia/item/786-voli
thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
First live shooting of the Greek S-300!!!


Why now? they are in Greece from more than 10 years... screwy

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
First live shooting of the Greek S-300!!!


Why now? they are in Greece from more than 10 years... screwy



They were expecting the Turks arrival in any minute, so they spared the missiles for them...

(Czech/Slovak army still not fired any S-300 missile since fielding it in 1988...
... what about the Bulgarians?)
Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
First live shooting of the Greek S-300!!!


Why now? they are in Greece from more than 10 years... screwy



They were expecting the Turks arrival in any minute, so they spared the missiles for them...

(Czech/Slovak army still not fired any S-300 missile since fielding it in 1988)


Does any body think that you can even fligh close to (Kreta) s300 clustered with TOR M1 and behind them two wings of F-16 bl52+adv supported by ground 3d radars and AWACS in net?
Friendly air forces just ...beg for common exercises ...

Firings took place 10 years because the Russian system does not have the ability of destruct command in case of emergency ,prerequisite in order to fire,like all west air defense systems,but this was overcame with same kind of risk.Our Chief of Joint Staff is air defender !

Best regards
ePap
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 07:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

They were expecting the Turks arrival in any minute, so they spared the missiles for them...


This is not serious, man... How could use a weapon if you never test it?

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
(Czech/Slovak army still not fired any S-300 missile since fielding it in 1988...
... what about the Bulgarians?)



Last time: 2011:
http://airforce.mod.bg/bg/?page_id=1674

First time - 1990, Ashuluk!

------------

Originally Posted By: ePap


Firings took place 10 years because the Russian system does not have the ability of destruct command in case of emergency ,prerequisite in order to fire,like all west air defense systems,but this was overcame with same kind of risk.Our Chief of Joint Staff is air defender !

Best regards
ePap



Hi, ePap!
Does Greek's goverment negotiate with Russia for using testing range in Ashuluk, Telemba or other?
Do you have some info about it?
Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp

They were expecting the Turks arrival in any minute, so they spared the missiles for them...


This is not serious, man... How could use a weapon if you never test it?

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
(Czech/Slovak army still not fired any S-300 missile since fielding it in 1988...
... what about the Bulgarians?)



Last time: 2011:
http://airforce.mod.bg/bg/?page_id=1674

First time - 1990, Ashuluk!

------------

Originally Posted By: ePap


Firings took place 10 years because the Russian system does not have the ability of destruct command in case of emergency ,prerequisite in order to fire,like all west air defense systems,but this was overcame with same kind of risk.Our Chief of Joint Staff is air defender !

Best regards
ePap



Hi, ePap!
Does Greek's goverment negotiate with Russia for using testing range in Ashuluk, Telemba or other?
Do you have some info about it?


During the initial training of the s300 PMU1 crews, firings took place in Russia for training and test of missile batch under delivery.

Please also keep in mind that there no necessity of real firing in order to have good training and exellent weapon performances for systems like this !
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: ePap


Please also keep in mind that there no necessity of real firing in order to have good training and exellent weapon performances for systems like this !


I'm sorry, but not agreed.... Thanks for the info, anyway....
Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: ePap


Please also keep in mind that there no necessity of real firing in order to have good training and exellent weapon performances for systems like this !


I'm sorry, but not agreed.... Thanks for the info, anyway....


There is a particular reason not to agree ?
I can refer to tenths of weapon systems which have no real firings for personel training ...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: ePap

There is a particular reason not to agree ?
I can refer to tenths of weapon systems which have no real firings for personel training ...


Just IMHO... I am not a specialist... How about your experience? Did you feel different when do live firing?
Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: ePap

There is a particular reason not to agree ?
I can refer to tenths of weapon systems which have no real firings for personel training ...


Just IMHO... I am not a specialist... How about your experience? Did you feel different when do live firing?


In SHORAD you "feel" the target .It is a matter of "you or him" but you can move or switch off...
In medium range like HAWK ,there is a lot of respiration , waiting there ...
But in Long range s300 covered by TOR M1,you are looking for engagement ...

Of course live firings are good of moral and a greate opportunity to visit Creta (NAMFI) and Chania city,especially in summer time ... smile2
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: ePap

Of course live firings are good of moral and a greate opportunity to visit Creta (NAMFI) and Chania city,especially in summer time ... smile2


wink
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 09:41 PM

More pics...
thumbsup
PICS
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
First live shooting of the Greek S-300!!!


Why now? they are in Greece from more than 10 years... screwy



They were expecting the Turks arrival in any minute, so they spared the missiles for them...

(Czech/Slovak army still not fired any S-300 missile since fielding it in 1988...
... what about the Bulgarians?)


To be on the realistic side...
... the shelf time (10yrs) of the missiles is started to be expiring.
Some of those will not be sent to mid life service. (cost saving)
cowboy
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/13/13 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By: ePap

Firings took place 10 years because the Russian system does not have the ability of destruct command in case of emergency ,prerequisite in order to fire,like all west air defense systems,but this was overcame with same kind of risk.


Hmmm...
... interesting statement.
rolleyes
(Since Dvina, all Soviet SAM self destructed in case of guidance lost {except the Strela-1})

I should check it.
Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/14/13 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
First live shooting of the Greek S-300!!!


Why now? they are in Greece from more than 10 years... screwy



They were expecting the Turks arrival in any minute, so they spared the missiles for them...

(Czech/Slovak army still not fired any S-300 missile since fielding it in 1988...
... what about the Bulgarians?)


To be on the realistic side...
... the shelf time (10yrs) of the missiles is started to be expiring.
Some of those will not be sent to mid life service. (cost saving)
cowboy


...that is also correct ... thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/30/13 06:28 PM

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-772.html

New "Buk" version...?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/14/14 03:52 PM

Old pics...

http://englishrussia.com/2014/01/12/soviet-military-might/
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/14/14 08:55 PM

http://npofakel.ru/media/Raket_Fakela.pdf

http://bastion-karpenko.ru/s-300p/
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/27/14 11:19 AM

http://www.ausairpower.net/PDF-A/DT-Libya-Jun-2011.pdf
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/30/14 01:53 PM

Not a SAM system, but many well known radars HERE
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/30/14 07:58 PM

http://67.69.104.76:84/pinetreeline/
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/08/14 08:15 PM

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/israel-rocket-warcraft/
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/11/14 11:04 AM

Buk M1

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/11/14 11:06 AM

Buk M2

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/11/14 08:51 PM

The RPN is pretty new for me here.

The BUK-M unit used to have KP, SOC, SOU, and PZU.

It seems that the elevated RPN is against low altitude penetrators...
... designed after the OIF flop of the Patriots?
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/14/14 11:01 AM

Radar simulator for download.... HERE
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/14/14 12:15 PM

More like preview that simulation.
I hoped for wysiwyg modular transmitter simulator. biggrin
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/14/14 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Radar simulator for download.... HERE


This product is based on the "Micro" training program, which was well know in Warsaw Pact armies (of course it was not digital at all)... smile

The author is a USSR veteran, which served in East Germany. I sugested this software to Hpasp in terms of updating VIKO's images, but I guess except noise effects, nothing could be added...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/14/14 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
This product is based on the "Micro" training program, which was well know in Warsaw Pact armies (of course it was not digital at all)... smile

The author is a USSR veteran, which served in East Germany. I sugested this software to Hpasp in terms of updating VIKO's images, but I guess except noise effects, nothing could be added...


Please respect my limitations simulating military hardware.
I can not* simulate realistically any equipment, that is still in service with the Hungarian Armed Forces.
(P-14, P-18, KUB, Mistral)

*restricted by law
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/14/14 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Please respect my limitations simulating military hardware.
I will not simulate realistically any equipment, that is still in service with the Hungarian Armed Forces.
(P-14, P-18, KUB, Mistral)


I think you're overreacting a bit... Those are just target acquisition radars... yep
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/02/14 12:46 PM

Situation is getting grim in the KRIM / Ukraine.

S-400 arrived...

Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/02/14 01:54 PM

It's starting to feel like 1914 sigh
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/03/14 01:01 PM

Those romanians had pretty interesting mix of SAM systems:

Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/05/14 10:52 PM

Battery of S-300 seized by Russian forces near Sevastopol @44.5172053,33.4834042 ?



(images by V-IKTOR D-RACHEV/AFP/)
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/06/14 09:19 AM

so my friends ..
this is my new tuturials video of sa-3 in persian language smile
enjoy smile

http://video.wikipg.com/show/18940_18939/%D8%A2%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%B4%20%5B%D8%B4%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%87%20%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B2%20%D9%BE%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%86%D8%AF%5D%20%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%85-%DB%B3%20%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A7%20%D8%AF%D8%B1%20%7Bsam%20simulator%7D_37879
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/06/14 10:37 AM

British Army Rapier

Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/06/14 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Muggs
British Army Rapier








No kill ! Miss distance >10m with a target like this ?
...buy used OSA AK. winkngrin
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/06/14 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ePap
No kill ! Miss distance >10m with a target like this ?


The soldier says "We put in a measure that fools the missile system into believing that it is hitting the target, when in actual fact it's not."

In other words, we can't afford to shoot drones down wink
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/07/14 08:19 AM

The British military is so short on money, that the Navy no longer fires live shells in training excersizes, instead they shout "bang".

That is not a joke.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/07/14 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Muggs
Originally Posted By: ePap
No kill ! Miss distance >10m with a target like this ?


The soldier says "We put in a measure that fools the missile system into believing that it is hitting the target, when in actual fact it's not."

In other words, we can't afford to shoot drones down wink


Do you have any idea about how much the drone costs? There are cheaper alternatives also...
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/07/14 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Do you have any idea about how much the drone costs? There are cheaper alternatives also...


I have no idea..
Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/08/14 09:33 AM


This could be,no hit on purpose (break lock).
We used this teqnic not to destroy the target from the first missile,in order more missiles to be fired.




...lucky drone.
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/08/14 05:34 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/12/14 12:48 PM

nope
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/12/14 01:51 PM

What is in the video? I can see only a soldier illuminating the drone with a green laser but no obvious hit or crash....
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/12/14 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
What is in the video? I can see only a soldier illuminating the drone with a green laser but no obvious hit or crash....


This is fake video - it was manned plane and it wasn't shot down:

http://dpsu.gov.ua/ua/about/news/news_3508.htm

http://mignews.com.ua/ru/articles/157481.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zdYc8fNa_3Y

(shotting is in the last 10 seconds from the forest)
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/12/14 06:24 PM

http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/09/diamond-da-42-dazzled/

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/12/14 06:39 PM

http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/ukraine-unveils-half-finished-new-radar-system
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/14/14 06:42 PM

PVO in Ukraine, according JANE'S:

Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/16/14 06:47 PM

Not sure if been here already:



Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/29/14 09:37 PM

Life at the WRONG end of the MIG-29 gun...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/30/14 06:55 AM

According Georgian ex-president Saakashvili, russians got codes of Israeli drones in exchange for data about iranian TOR-M1 ADS.

http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130709/210770796.html
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/30/14 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
According Georgian ex-president Saakashvili, russians got codes of Israeli drones in exchange for data about iranian TOR-M1 ADS.

http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130709/210770796.html


I don't know anything about any "drone codes", but what "codes" Tor-M1 has that can possibly be compromised? The only codes that come to mind are IFF, but these are changing regularly, and AFAIK Iranians don't use Tor's built-in IFF system anyway. Built-in "kill switch"?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/05/14 05:00 AM

Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/05/14 12:44 PM

HQ-17, Chinese Tor
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/12/14 07:18 PM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/12/14 09:14 PM



http://rtv-pvo-gsvg.ucoz.ru
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/13/14 01:08 PM



http://www.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201404130905-vc0i.htm
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/29/14 09:48 AM

http://englishrussia.com/2014/04/28/air-defense-drill-in-ashuluk/

Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/29/14 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357
Originally Posted By: piston79
According Georgian ex-president Saakashvili, russians got codes of Israeli drones in exchange for data about iranian TOR-M1 ADS.

http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130709/210770796.html


I don't know anything about any "drone codes", but what "codes" Tor-M1 has that can possibly be compromised? The only codes that come to mind are IFF, but these are changing regularly, and AFAIK Iranians don't use Tor's built-in IFF system anyway. Built-in "kill switch"?


Data != Codes.

Information, system frequency, gains, jam resistance/sensitivity, frequency agility and modes, missile capability (at a system level or only performance). All of this is useful for dealing with a hostile SAM.

Some may prevent engagement at all, others may increase the odds of survival of it's targets, or destruction of the launch vehicle.

The Israeli Codes can be modified easily enough once the compromise is known if a change is considered desirable and cost effective, but changing the parameters of a SAM system takes a much greater effort if it is at all feasible. There might be a knock on effect if US uses compatible systems to the Israeli ones etc, but the compromise may not be as significant as the engineering data on the TOR if it is reasonably complete.
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/29/14 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Lieste

Data != Codes.

Information, system frequency, gains, jam resistance/sensitivity, frequency agility and modes, missile capability (at a system level or only performance). All of this is useful for dealing with a hostile SAM.

Some may prevent engagement at all, others may increase the odds of survival of it's targets, or destruction of the launch vehicle.

The Israeli Codes can be modified easily enough once the compromise is known if a change is considered desirable and cost effective, but changing the parameters of a SAM system takes a much greater effort if it is at all feasible. There might be a knock on effect if US uses compatible systems to the Israeli ones etc, but the compromise may not be as significant as the engineering data on the TOR if it is reasonably complete.


The original article clearly mentions some "codes" in relation not only to Israeli drones, but also in relation to Iranian Tors ("in exchange Russia provided Israel with codes for Iranian Tor-M1", a direct translation). I highly doubt that Russians would provide any useful technical data about Iranian Tors to Israel because of one reason: export Tors are way too similar to those used by Russian Army, compromising Iranian ones would also compromise the Russian ones. Therefore I suppose that even if some information was given to Israel (which I highly doubt), this may be codes to activate a some kind of "kill switch", which is built into these export systems by manufacturer.

P. S.: If you can read Russian, please read first post at my link - some interesting info from a man "in the loop":
http://www.balancer.ru/g/p2739880

One phrase from there: "It appears that Iranians, fearing of "zakladki" (there is an opinion that their fears are not unfounded), aren't using Tor's built-in IFF system".
("Zakladki" is a Russian term for "kill switch", or some other "trojan horse" function in some hardware or software).

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/30/14 09:02 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...sian-radar.html
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/30/14 10:41 AM

Stealth was never really meant to act alone. It's supposed to be used in conjuction with stand off jammers, decoys and SEAD. When used as part of a whole, stealth can still be very useful.

Used alone, with no jammers, decoys and SEAD, then you get situations like the F-117 shootdown over Serbia in 1999.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/13/14 01:12 PM

hpasp... you must see this

whoohoo
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/14/14 05:14 PM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/04/14 07:04 PM

Some of the targets looks pretty familiar:

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/03/14 07:03 PM

Posted By: ckfinite

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/17/14 03:53 PM

In Ukrainian news, it's been reported that a Malaysian B777 was shot down at around 10km by a separatist operated Buk system, probably captured from the Ukrainian air defence forces. Is this plausible, that is, is it plausible that they could have, independently from Russian aid, gotten the battery operational enough to make a simple engagement like this?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/17/14 08:21 PM

Posted By: scrim

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/17/14 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: ckfinite
In Ukrainian news, it's been reported that a Malaysian B777 was shot down at around 10km by a separatist operated Buk system, probably captured from the Ukrainian air defence forces. Is this plausible, that is, is it plausible that they could have, independently from Russian aid, gotten the battery operational enough to make a simple engagement like this?


Why not? It's not like more than a few Ukrainian servicemen haven't sworn allegiance to Russia and/or imaginary separatist republics. Besides, IIRC Ukraine has conscription, so even among the civilian population it shouldn't take long to find people trained on various SAM systems.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/20/14 11:51 AM

http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/20/inside-buk-telar-images/
Posted By: Tantalwz88

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/21/14 09:32 AM

Don't know if this article was posted here??.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/dont-th...or-8dd9e323ed12
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/21/14 05:20 PM


Russians hint on same circumstances as were on Tu-154 incident. (starting from 15:00)
Lies or possibility?

-----------------------
Politics please aside,
Just curious could buk missile cw monopulse seeker behave same as in Tu-154 incident on certain circumstances.
Posted By: RustyNOR

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/21/14 05:53 PM

Well the Russians is not leading the investigation. Putin MUST stop supplying advanced weapons to the terrorists. Anyway you look at this all the blood is on Putin's hands.
Posted By: scrim

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/21/14 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: montieris
Russians hint on same circumstances as were on Tu-154 incident. (starting from 15:00)
Lies or possibility?


So they're saying it wasn't shot down by a SAM? (After that incident, the Russians vehemently denied that it was even possible for a SAM to be the cause of the crash until the Ukrainian government admitted it was an errant SAM).

It's a lie. In '01 it was a matter of a SAM launched at a target drone which was destroyed before it got there, and then locked on to the airliner by mistake. I seriously doubt that the Ukrainian military would A, do that again, or B, all of a sudden do these sort of training drills over something that is an active war zone, close to the border of Russia, and over inhabited major urban centers. Just one of those factors would mean it'd never get clearance.

It's obvious. Who's the only people in that region who's been shooting down everything they can for the last few weeks? Probably those guys.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/21/14 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: montieris

Lies or possibility?

-----------------------
Politics please aside,
Just curious could buk missile cw monopulse seeker behave same as in Tu-154 incident on certain circumstances.


http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Engagement-Fire-Control.html#mozTocId926428
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/21/14 09:26 PM

Hmmm...
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/1d6a9ac2-10e3-11e4-b116-00144feabdc0.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/22/14 01:50 PM

more...

http://mashable.com/2014/07/21/mh17-shrapnel-damage-missile-strike/
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/22/14 07:26 PM



+1

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/23/14 11:07 AM

In this community, everybody knows, that since the '70s pre-perforated warheads is used in Soviet SAM systems.

Measuring the diameter the hole of the shrapnel could identify the missile type...
... as it did at Siberia Airlines Flight 1812.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/23/14 03:17 PM

The Real Tough Stuff, from Northern Italy...

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/23/14 07:32 PM

Very nice picture thumbsup

By the way, do you still want to simulate it in the future?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/23/14 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Very nice picture thumbsup

By the way, do you still want to simulate it in the future?


I would need better pictures, than I was able to shot few days ago...


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/24/14 06:10 AM

There are some videos from an american museum in youtube. Probably it is worthy to contact those guys and they will help with more pictures and order of procedures.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/27/14 03:02 PM

Some Iron Dome critics:

http://thebulletin.org/multimedia/iron-dome-images-failure
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/27/14 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79


Due to the missing K4 command (introduced at the Volhov) transmitting the missile/target approach speed, the Iron Dome missile's laser proximity fuse does not have a clue for correct warhead detonation delay.

Anyway, it is hard to knock off small tubes from the sky with shrapnel, without using nukes...
nope
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/28/14 02:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79


Due to the missing K4 command (introduced at the Volhov) transmitting the missile/target approach speed, the Iron Dome missile's laser proximity fuse does not have a clue for correct warhead detonation delay.

Anyway, it is hard to knock off small tubes from the sky with shrapnel, without using nukes...
nope


It's quite a mystery which kind of proximity fuse Iron Dome's Tamir missile is using. On some photos, there's no slightest sign of laser sensors on a missile...





...On the other hand, this photo, which supposedly shows part of Tamir, clearly shows laser sensors and a homing head:


In any case, use of laser proximity fuse in a missile designed for engaging such targets as small rockets is surprising, to say the least: the small object may simply fell between the two narrow laser beams.

Even its guidance principle is a mystery: Upper photo clearly shows some kind of homing head (supposedly an active one, but how can one manage to fit an ARH head into the $50000 missile?!), but the photo below doesn't leave much room inside the nosecone for it:


Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/28/14 05:52 AM

Quote:
It's quite a mystery which kind of proximity fuse Iron Dome's Tamir missile is using. On some photos, there's no slightest sign of laser sensors on a missile...

In any case, use of laser proximity fuse in a missile designed for engaging such targets as small rockets is surprising, to say the least: the small object may simply fell between the two narrow laser beams.


I know nothing about laser proximity fuses. But as a guess, surely it's possible that a laser fuse could be sending out light in a fan shaped pattern, and not a bunch of thin beams?
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/28/14 03:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Mdore

I know nothing about laser proximity fuses. But as a guess, surely it's possible that a laser fuse could be sending out light in a fan shaped pattern, and not a bunch of thin beams?


Probably, but I never heard about it. I know that Russians were forced to replace laser fuse with RF on 9M311 missile (used in Tunguska and naval Kortik) to improve its efficiency against small-sized targets.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/28/14 06:54 PM

http://defense-update.com/20140711_iron_dome-3.html#.U9X7gDJBvMI
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/29/14 10:05 AM

Some fun:

http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/08/air-defense-friendly-fire/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=Twitter#!bpFUjy

Quote:
“Why, back in my day during OIF 1, we had this one female lieutenant get so excited with a blip on her screen that she fired off and blasted some Limey pilot out of his Tornado. Naturally, she was immediately given a Silver Star and promoted to Captain for being the first ADA officer to actually do something since Vietnam, but that was back in 2003. After the subsequent rash of copycat attacks, the Air Force started getting on our ass about ‘fratricide’.”

Valiant spat a stream of tobacco juice on the floor as emphasis. “I told those fairy pukes that if it flies it dies! Can I get a damn hooah?”



Quote:
“I’m damn proud of your self-discipline,” the brigade commander said in his closing remarks. “If we keep this up, DoD might actually let us start loading live missiles back into our Patriot launchers.”

Read more: http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/08/air-defense-friendly-fire/#ixzz38qnWlLui


bump
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/29/14 12:31 PM

SAGE BOMARC
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/sage/SAGE_BOMARC_Defense_System_1958.pdf
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/i...inary_Sep55.pdf
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/22/14 05:17 PM

http://6thbattalion56thartillery.com/Why_HAWKs_to_Vietnam.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/26/14 02:45 PM

Not sure it was posted here:

http://ed-thelen.org/NikeSimulation.html

Posted By: Lieste

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/26/14 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79


Due to the missing K4 command (introduced at the Volhov) transmitting the missile/target approach speed, the Iron Dome missile's laser proximity fuse does not have a clue for correct warhead detonation delay.

Anyway, it is hard to knock off small tubes from the sky with shrapnel, without using nukes...
nope


It's quite a mystery which kind of proximity fuse Iron Dome's Tamir missile is using. On some photos, there's no slightest sign of laser sensors on a missile...





...On the other hand, this photo, which supposedly shows part of Tamir, clearly shows laser sensors and a homing head:





If you look at the arrangement, the optical aperture is in the same plane as the leading fins, and near the 'flappy bit' (could be an umbilical for the launch cannister?). This makes it behind the upper canard and out of sight...

Is this a rolling airframe missile with a directed warhead?
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/14 08:31 AM

piston79: I think it was already posted in the original SAMSIM topic, it is a well known link.

Anyways, it can be good for some newcomers, so I would let it be here :-)
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/14 04:07 PM



Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/29/14 08:49 AM

Nice! thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/03/14 09:17 PM



Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/25/14 07:29 AM

Hope it works...

Iron Dome
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/25/14 05:24 PM

Inside video of from the Saturn-IVB missile Kerosene, and liquid Hydrogen tanks during takeoff.

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/want-watch-fuel-slosh-around-inside-saturn-rocket



Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/14/14 06:10 PM

thanks to user silverfox from offroad forum:

Click to reveal..









https://www.mediafire.com/?344aaj8n77qvq4a
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/15/14 09:33 AM

Ehhh, only one 5P85DU auxiliary launcher, no 30N6E (Flap Lid B) target illuminator and missile guidance radar?
sigh
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/15/14 10:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Ehhh, only one 5P85DU auxiliary launcher, no 30N6E (Flap Lid B) target illuminator and missile guidance radar?
sigh


Next year on Shabla firing range....
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/20/14 06:16 PM

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/20/14 06:21 PM

What system is it for?
Posted By: montieris

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/20/14 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
What system is it for?


Looks like ST-68U.
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/21/14 07:26 AM

Thanks, the description says it is a computer training system, on the screen there are two IKO's, but those switches and other stuff does not look familiar to me.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/21/14 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
What system is it for?


36D6

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/22/14 01:06 PM

Thanks thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/04/14 08:50 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Panzir (SA-22) - 11/19/14 09:41 AM

A bit complex AESA radar...




Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/28/14 01:02 PM

Sorry for the unrelated pic...
... Greek Mirage in the Aegean sea.

Posted By: ePap

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/28/14 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Sorry for the unrelated pic...
... Greek Mirage in the Aegean sea.




For your information, this plane was recovered (see below) in dt time and it was about to repaired but the model stoped to be in production line this time (2011) and mechanical parts could not reached,unfortunately.
Of course all the parts are used as spear parts .

In a same situation in 1997 the plane recovered and repaired and flies now ...

PS: it is not so easy to land a plane in the sea and in this condition, i think ...



ePap

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/14/14 06:32 AM

on 08.12.2014 IAF attacked targets in Syria (again)... There are rumors that they bombed some depots with SA-10 components....

SAA Air defense units destroyed at least one cruise missile (AGM-142 probably):
















Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/26/14 06:32 PM

Merry Xmas...
... with some pine trees.
CT CT CT
biggrin




Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/26/14 09:32 PM

And when will we see (and use) it in action? wave thumbsup Also Merry Christmas to all....
Posted By: Amidkor

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/01/15 06:38 AM

TV Show "Poligon" - SAM "TOR"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgZ_gooLcko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruR4tqDESc
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/01/15 09:47 AM

Happy New Year!

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/01/15 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Amidkor



Thanks! It is straight from DED MOROZ bag! Happy New Year to all!
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/02/15 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Amidkor



Thanks! It is straight from DED MOROZ bag! Happy New Year to all!


Yes, that's great. Since I am an electronics engineer, it is a great background of SAM systems for me. It is interesting that (most probably) for reliability purposes and for easy maintenance there are discrete SMT (non-SMD) parts even in this days when everything is integrated.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/02/15 03:42 PM

Pancir

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/22/15 06:46 PM

M-33 Anti Aircraft Fire Control System






Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/22/15 09:04 PM

Great!
And what about the switchboard cabinet, its position and look reminds me of Dvina.

And the acquistion radar looks like the Nike one.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/17/15 09:58 AM

http://www.aparat.com/v/XGOQq
great video during "valfajr war"
commander "sattary" at the first moment of attack killed 4 iraqian birds by hawk


ps :
in details of video
he talking about azimuth 236 that 2 birds killed near together in the radio
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/17/15 07:31 PM

Just found this video that has a little bit about the Seaslug. Starts around 5:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU&t=5m20s
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/18/15 08:18 PM



SAA shot down a "Predator" over Latakia...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/15 07:59 AM

Some of our well known repair parts...
... smuggled.











http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...orth-Korea.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/22/15 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: piston79


SAA shot down a "Predator" over Latakia...



It looks like this is the man (and the machine):

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/02/15 04:22 AM

Davis's sling tests:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Confli...ed-tests-395844


P.S. Why the missile is not symmetrical at it nose?


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/06/15 05:34 PM

http://codename-it.livejournal.com/1055106.html
http://codename-it.livejournal.com/1055451.html
http://codename-it.livejournal.com/1055510.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/06/15 05:55 PM



GREAT One!
thumbsup
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/08/15 07:49 AM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/13/15 02:28 PM

http://tass.ru/en/russia/788778

MOSCOW, April 13. /TASS/. China has purchased S-400 missile defense systems from Russia, director general of Russia's major arms exporting company Rosoborobexport Anatoly Isaykin has told the Kommersant daily in an interview.
Isaykin refused to disclose terms of contract but confirmed that China had become the first buyer of the cutting-edge air defense system. He noted that it emphasizes the strategic nature of Russian-Chinese relations.

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/14/15 04:29 AM

Faroukh must be happy:

http://russian.rt.com/article/85340

(President Putin signed an order to cancel the SA-10 embargo against Iran)...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/14/15 05:57 AM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Faroukh must be happy:

http://russian.rt.com/article/85340

(President Putin signed an order to cancel the SA-10 embargo against Iran)...


I do not believe that it is about the medium range SA-10, rather it will be the long range SA-20.
Question on the number of systems, exact type (PMU1 or PMU2), and real delivery date (after long promises).
At least few elderly S-200 site can be relieved.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/16/15 08:12 AM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Faroukh must be happy:

http://russian.rt.com/article/85340

(President Putin signed an order to cancel the SA-10 embargo against Iran)...


after thousand times.. please spell correct my name
farokh.. not faroukh banghead
write farokh for ten lines in your diary !


Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
Faroukh must be happy:

http://russian.rt.com/article/85340

(President Putin signed an order to cancel the SA-10 embargo against Iran)...


I do not believe that it is about the medium range SA-10, rather it will be the long range SA-20.
Question on the number of systems, exact type (PMU1 or PMU2), and real delivery date (after long promises).
At least few elderly S-200 site can be relieved.


nope at all ... i assume in Agreement wrote PMU with 150 range
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/16/15 01:13 PM

Originally Posted By: farokh

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
Faroukh must be happy:

http://russian.rt.com/article/85340

(President Putin signed an order to cancel the SA-10 embargo against Iran)...


I do not believe that it is about the medium range SA-10, rather it will be the long range SA-20.
Question on the number of systems, exact type (PMU1 or PMU2), and real delivery date (after long promises).
At least few elderly S-200 site can be relieved.


nope at all ... i assume in Agreement wrote PMU with 150 range


The S-300 family export versions so far...

Obsoleted systems (from export point of view), no longer produced

1989, S-300PMU Volhov-M6 (SA-10B) exported into East Germany, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, China
5V55K missile 47*km range
5V55R missile 75km range
*Command guided only

1994, S-300PMU-1 Volhov-M6M (SA-20A) exported into China, Greece, Algeria, Vietnam
48N6E missile 150km range

2004, S-300PMU-2 Favorit (SA-20B) exported into China
48N6E2 missile 200km range

Available now, for foreign export

2013, S-300VM Antey-2500 (SA-23) exported into Egypt, Venezuela
9M82ME missile 200*km range
9M83ME missile 75*km range
*ATBM missile

201x, S-400 Triumf (SA-21) will be exported into China
48N6DM missile 250km range
9M96 missile 30*km range
*ATBM missile

The original 800 million US contract signed in 2007, between Iran and Russia was agreed on the delivery of five S-300PMU-1 Volhov-M6M (SA-20A) systems, according to the Hungarian media.

Shipment was halted in 2010 by Dmitry Medvedev, thus Iran sued Russia for 4000 million US of non delivery penalty, based on the signed original contract. (most probably Iran will won that lawsuit at the face of an international court)

Interesting fact is that the S-300PMU-1 Volhov-M6M (SA-20A) meanwhile become obsolete, and no longer produced.

The S-300VM Antey-2500 (SA-23) is extremely expensive (Egypt payed 3600 million US for only two systems), and the S-400 Triumf (SA-21) is still considered sensitive (till the S-500 become available), and offered only to the old-trusted buyer, China.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/16/15 06:04 PM

Greece in talks with Russia to buy missiles for S-300
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/16/15 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: farokh


after thousand times.. please spell correct my name
farokh.. not faroukh banghead
write farokh for ten lines in your diary !




I am truly sorry! sigh
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/22/15 04:05 PM

The Room of Memories of 250 Brigade:

Posted By: VOLCHOV

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/23/15 08:00 AM

Hey Hpasp it looks like your work smile
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201504221802-ux42.htm
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/25/15 04:41 PM

Originally Posted By: VOLCHOV
Hey Hpasp it looks like your work smile
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201504221802-ux42.htm
Click to reveal..


SAMSIM is always nicer (more photo realistic).
biggrin
But the vertical monitor requirement is actually a good idea.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/04/15 08:03 AM

biggrin

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/10/15 03:05 PM

http://theaviationist.com/2015/05/06/iaf-f-16-vs-haf-s300s/

Quote:
Israeli F-16I pilots use Greece’s S-300 SAMs to prepare for potential Iran air strikes...


Thanks to the exercise in Greece (not the first attended by the Israeli since the deterioration of their relations with Turkey), the Israeli Air Force has gathered important data about the Russian SAM system and had the opportunity to test and improve evasion tactics during simulated attacks against ground targets protected by S-300 batteries.



Posted By: ricnunes

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/10/15 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
biggrin




LOL! biggrin biggrin

The SAM missile also includes the car right? The rockets on the roof are to propel the car where the warhead is stored right? biggrin
Posted By: KJakker

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/12/15 03:17 AM

Link to the YouTube playlist of videos of the SF-88L Nike site.

Nike Hercules Missiles. Battery site SF-88L
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/07/15 04:24 PM

http://defenceline.gr/index.php/enoples-dynameis/polemikh-aeroporia/item/2833-sminarxia
Posted By: KJakker

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/08/15 09:50 PM

I thought you might find this info interesting, information about the Talos Missile System from http://www.okieboat.com/.

Talos Missile System Pages.

Talos Missile and Launching System

Talos RIM-8 Guided Missile

Talos Mk 7 Guided Missile Launching System

Talos Mk 77 Guided Missile Fire Control System

SPG-49 Tracking Radar

SPW-2 Guidance Radar Description

Talos Missile Firing Operations

Additional Talos Information

Gunner's Mate Missile

Talos History Pages.

History of the Talos Missile

History of the Talos Ramjet Engine

How The Ramjet Engine Works

History of the Talos Booster

History of the Talos Missile Warhead

Talos Missile W-30 Nuclear Warhead Development

How Nuclear Weapons Work

History of the Talos Missile Guidance and Homing Systems

Talos Missile Aerodynamics and Control History
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/20/15 11:44 AM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/20/15 01:09 PM

Guys, please if someone could help me (need german language speaker), please, PM me!


Sorry for offtopic
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/21/15 09:35 AM

Movie about 126 brigade VOJIN:

http://www.mod.gov.rs/sadrzaj.php?id_sadrzaja=8434&active=video
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/11/15 02:00 PM

Nice reading...

thumbsup

RAND report of the Libyan conflict.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/14/15 12:03 PM

Created some drawing to help you understand, that modern SAM missiles are rather an endgame (semi active) guided ballistic missiles, than anything else.

Here are some classic SAM designs...



... and here are the modern SAM's. (Patriot/S-300/-400)



oops the upper one is a SCUD ballistic missile. biggrin

Usual flight path of the Patriot/S-300/-400 missiles is a ballistic one:
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/15/15 08:59 AM

Libya:

Posted By: Comrade_Hedgehog

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/15/15 09:53 AM

That's one hell of an Anti Tank Missile.....

smile
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/16/15 08:08 AM

another one...

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/16/15 09:43 AM

http://spioenkop.blogspot.cz/

Kub cannon attack
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/26/15 07:17 PM

RBS-70 manual...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/27/15 06:46 PM

Threat Radar Simulators
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/27/15 07:27 PM

http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/2015-07-21...Air-Force-decoy
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/30/15 08:02 AM

Short range SAM system.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/03/15 08:37 AM

Soviet SAM evolution...
http://www.mediafire.com/view/4iz418dvj2l5h6z/SAM_Evolution.xls
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/03/15 04:46 PM

Going to Egypt... (and later in USA maybe?..)..

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/422399.html

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/03/15 06:15 PM

Idea for new interface of SAM Simulator... smile


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/15 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp


What's the idea that S-350 is going from S-300PMU2?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/05/15 03:09 PM

The S-350 Vityaz is planned to use the 9M96 missile family (max range 120km), originally developed for the S-400/S-300PMU2...
... and the 9M100 new short range one.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/15 11:18 AM




Old rivals:

Patriot PAC-3 of Saudi Arabia shot down a SCUD missile...(note number of launches)
Posted By: scrim

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/15 11:36 AM

Wow, they really wanted to shoot it down.

But I guess having been economical with missiles wouldn't have been good enough to compensate for if the SCUD had caused casualties, or even just not been intercepted.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/15 01:48 PM

From MAKS-15...
... new H-58 (USKE-TP) version with additional infra target channel.


Multi channel SAM radar tracking approach is similar as the AGM-88E HARM realized with active mm radar...
... similar problem of EMCON, just different solution.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/15 04:58 PM

S-400...

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/15 06:25 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/15 07:10 PM

Did the Slovakians brought their own S-300PMU system, or they brought only the missile, and used the Bulgarian one?
What was their target, the Tochka?

Objective control is a GoPro attached...
biggrin

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/15 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Did the Slovakians brought their own S-300PMU system, or they brought only the missile, and used the Bulgarian one?
What was their target, the Tochka?




They did use bulgarian S-300PMU (crew on the picture is the bulgarian one). No info for the missiles yet....

The target was this:



Both bulgarian and slovakian crews worked against it...

"Tochka" was tracked by all PVO Strani systems (S-125, S-300) and 2K12.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/28/15 07:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Objective control is a GoPro attached...
biggrin




There was a cam in UNK also...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/28/15 10:23 AM

Yeah, a WebCam.
biggrin

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/29/15 01:06 PM

RBS-70 night shooting

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/30/15 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: piston79



Old rivals:

Patriot PAC-3 of Saudi Arabia shot down a SCUD missile...(note number of launches)


What happened when cross MLRS with MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3:


(they didn't wait 6 seconds between launches...)
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/30/15 12:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Did the Slovakians brought their own S-300PMU system, or they brought only the missile, and used the Bulgarian one?
What was their target, the Tochka?




They brought their missiles, AFAIK...
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/15 07:10 AM

Some more (Slovak S-300) from Shabla....






Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/15 07:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Some more (Slovak S-300) from Shabla....



Thanks! If found anything (info, video, pictures), please share (with sources)! If nobody else is interested, I could have them on PM.
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/15 10:17 AM

I will post more as soon as I have it wave
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/15 10:26 AM

A few more (I think I could get a video from RUM target, but it is too early yet....)







A piece of a cover of the rocket container with a Slovak missile:


Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/15 02:17 PM

RUM target track:



5V55R in sight thumbsup


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/15 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
RUM target track:
Click to reveal..



5V55R in sight thumbsup




Wow! where got those?

P.M. What a strange behavior:



Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/15 07:25 PM

Some Slovak veterans got it from Slovaks who were in Shabla. Hopefully I could get the video.
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/15 07:29 PM

PS: maybe failed missile? Or 5V55K directed to another target?
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/15 07:37 PM

Two videos:



And here in the Slovak article
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/04/15 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Some Slovak veterans got it from Slovaks who were in Shabla. Hopefully I could get the video.


Is it uploaded on a site, or they do a personal favor for you?
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/06/15 11:17 AM

I would say both, these pictures they uploaded to Czechoslovak forum at http://forum.fortifikace.net, but in the past they sent me some nice Vega and other videos from our SAM sites.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/06/15 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
I would say both, these pictures they uploaded to Czechoslovak forum at http://forum.fortifikace.net, but in the past they sent me some nice Vega and other videos from our SAM sites.


I wish I could share them, but I need their exact locations, as I cannot navigate on slovakian/Czech....
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/06/15 08:21 PM

Here they are: http://forum.fortifikace.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=624&start=45
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/06/15 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd


Thanks, but cannot see without registration... yep
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/08/15 06:46 PM

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/446983.html

MAKS 2015
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/12/15 06:14 PM

Intelligent (guided) DART 76mm naval gun ammunition from OTO Melara, killing target drones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTO_Melara_76_mm

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/24/15 04:50 PM

TOR-M2U shot down "Saman" target on the move...

Source
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/25/15 09:38 AM




Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/26/15 06:57 PM

http://news.usni.org/2014/06/27/document-investigation-uss-chancellorsville-drone-strike
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/04/15 09:56 AM

Hi guys!

Need some good info prices of SA-10/20 family, which where sold (or offered) on Iran, Venesuela, Cina, Turkey etc.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/12/15 08:27 PM





Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/01/15 07:59 PM

Some photos:

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/471188.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/19/15 04:39 PM

The target looks familiar...


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 12:43 PM

Yeah, and the missile slams exactly in to the operators cabin...
... avoiding close air defense (Panzir) with its steep dive angle.

More photos here:
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/tomahawk/

and some video...


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 03:04 PM

In Syria, the situation is the same...







... Fire Control Radar for the S-300PM is still not visible.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 03:06 PM

At least, some reliable metric radars were added...



Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 03:20 PM

IFF Parol also arrived to Syria.



Check video at 1:17

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Yeah, and the missile slams exactly in to the operators cabin...



That's why I don't like the decision to place operators near the antenna.... (Compare losses of SA-3B and SA-6 in OAF 1999)...

Meanwhile IAF bombed Damascus:



No sign of any russian AD activity...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 04:40 PM

So far deployment of the S-400 was advertised in the press...
...but in reality, I seen only 4x S-300PM PU's (TEL's) arriving into Syria.

No RPN (Tomb Stone) fire control radar was seen so far...
(meaning that the S-300PM SAM unit is still not battle ready)

Based on their license plates (50's), they are originally based in the Moscow region.



Still funny when they raised their missile containers for the press, while no data tele-code antenna is extended, and the cable harness (towards the fire control radar) is untouched...
rolleyes
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 04:59 PM

That's why I don't like the decision to place operators near the antenna....

You either put the operators close to the antenna, to be able to see and act on primary radar returns (as in the S-300), or you can put your operators far away from the radar station (as in Patriot), but in this case they can fight only against computer generated icons (radar information processed by the computer in the RS) on their screens.

Russians so far seen more jamming, and ARM's than anyone, so they selected to show to the operators the primary radar return of the target.

Raytheon designer of the HARM missile beside the Patriot system, knowing its (current and future) capabilities, selected to move the operators far from the radar station (limiting their access to primary radar battle information).
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
That's why I don't like the decision to place operators near the antenna....

You either put the operators close to the antenna, to be able to see and act on primary radar returns (as in the S-300), or you can put your operators far away from the radar station (as in Patriot), but in this case they can fight only against computer generated icons (radar information processed by the computer in the RS) on their screens.


Oh, and how it works with VIKO in SA-2 and 3 or azimuth/range and epsilon in SA-2 and 3, but doesn't work on S-300/400?... There is no sense to me....
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 05:26 PM

Difference is on the wavelength cm vs m.

You can have a Yagi TV antenna at the top of your roof, and transfer the metric wavelength signal on a flexible long coax cable into your TV set...
... on the other hand if you want to transfer cm wavelength radio signal without huge loss, you need a short vacuum filled rigid feeder tube, at a specific diameter of the transmitter wavelength.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/20/15 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

... on the other hand if you want to transfer cm wavelength radio signal without huge loss, you need a short vacuum filled rigid feeder tube, at a specific diameter of the transmitter wavelength.


They do this from SNR/UNV.... Also, they could just transfer video of the signal....
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/21/15 09:53 AM

And they can do it with the S-300PMU RPN also, when they attach it at the top of the 40V6M pole.
The catch here is the max. length that you can do it. (still inside the ARM warhead range)
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/22/15 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
So far deployment of the S-400 was advertised in the press...
...but in reality, I seen only 4x S-300PM PU's (TEL's) arriving into Syria.

No RPN (Tomb Stone) fire control radar was seen so far...






Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/25/15 06:39 PM

Merry Xmas, and Happy New Year!

Be aware of any low flying Christmas tree smile

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/26/15 06:28 PM

Thanks and you too.

Seems we should employ a clam shell radar mounted on the tower thumbsup
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/26/15 10:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Merry Xmas, and Happy New Year!

Be aware of any low flying Christmas tree smile



Same to you! H<5 is active.. thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/28/15 07:56 PM

Quote:
Because of the extensive air defense threat, coordination among the Services to
provide mutual support was essential to Operation Desert Storm's success. The
JFACC tasked apportioned SEAD sorties, guaranteeing a coordinated, effective,
and prioritized SEAD effort. Almost all Coalition aircraft contributed. In their
38
first combat use, ATACMS demonstrated a rapid response capability. A Multiple
launch rocket system launcher, armed with ATACMS, received a fire mission
while moving in convoy, occupied a hasty firing position, computed firing data
and launched a missile that neutralized an SA-2 site. (1992, 214)


http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA429075
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/29/15 09:26 PM

No more SAM's for Yemen....:



nope
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/30/15 07:12 AM

They received 18 Volhov systems (1980-3, 1981-9, 1983-3, 1987-3), so there still might be some operational pieces.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/01/16 12:46 PM

Happy New Year, SAM people!

Wish you happiness, healthiness and a lot of luck!

That's my little new years present for you:

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/02/16 12:52 PM

Sadly, no picture:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/sam-a-19.html
Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/30/16 08:48 PM

Hello everybody !

It seems to me there is a lot of air defense systems afficionados here !

Here is my modest contribution:

Here is a video about the joint firing between the French Air Force's 05/950 Air Defense Squadron and the Italian Army's 4th Anti Air Artillery Regiment with the SAMP/T (nicknamed "mamba" in the French Air Force)

Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/17/16 10:58 AM

ok guys.. please atention
tommarow morning.. iran will recive c300 from caspian see and iran sam minister will be there before russian ships..
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/17/16 11:11 AM

Originally Posted By: farokh
ok guys.. please atention
tommarow morning.. iran will recive c300 from caspian see and iran sam minister will be there before russian ships..



Now, you must buy a beer for every SAM fan in this forum!

Congratulation!
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/17/16 11:40 AM

Originally Posted By: piston79
[quote=farokh]


Now, you must buy a beer for every SAM fan in this forum!

Congratulation!


as u knew befor.. iran is kind of islamic country .
so i prefer buy big bothles of beer in hpasp's home for all of samsim users.. even new members
cheers from now
bottles
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/17/16 06:48 PM

Please drop the pictures, and we will identify the sub-type, and its capabilities.
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/18/16 07:41 AM

dear hpasp
s300 units are under heavy security umbrella
no midias have access to them.. no reporter no pic
yet
but i guessing it could be pmu1 and 2
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/18/16 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: farokh
dear hpasp
s300 units are under heavy security umbrella
no midias have access to them.. no reporter no pic
yet
but i guessing it could be pmu1 and 2



Than how do you know today is the day? Guess it is from a media.... rolleyes
Posted By: farokh

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/18/16 09:16 PM

they have deal problem about pmu2 !
so receving is cancel again :/
ps: russia play a camedy show on s300
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/19/16 07:36 PM

Recently Russia exported only the S-300PMU1 (SA-20A) to more than one nation.
The S-300V (SA-12) was exported only to Venezuela so far.
The S-300PMU2 (SA-20B) was exported only to China so far.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/19/16 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: farokh
they have deal problem about pmu2 !
so receving is cancel again :/
ps: russia play a camedy show on s300


So, what they finally bring to you?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/19/16 08:08 PM

Current state of a deserted exNeva site around Budapest, in the Pilis mountains.
It is selectable as 11/9 in SAMSIM.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/21/16 01:17 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/10/16 04:38 PM

MEADS News

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/13/16 03:19 PM

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/134389.html?thread=353269
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/15/16 01:21 PM

Great find!
Also includes the S-225 Azov (ABM-X-3)
biggrin
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/17/16 06:01 PM

Chinese HQ-17 SAM...
... I seen a similar one earlier somewhere biggrin

Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/17/16 09:02 PM

An other Mamba video.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/18/16 11:14 AM

Soviet SAM system frequencies...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/18/16 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Soviet SAM system frequencies...
Click to reveal..




You naughty SAM Sim developer, found another EW related book, aren't you?

hahaha
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/18/16 05:21 PM

its from the net...
http://combatace.com/topic/73207-questions-regarding-jamming-strength-and-frequencies/
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/19/16 06:51 PM

S-400 (from Czech forum)



Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/16 07:37 AM

Cool!

biggrin
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/16 04:11 PM

What is interesting of these shots...
Firing ranges are drawn at the top of this shot.

Dark Blue - 48N6 - 150km
Yellow - 48N6D - 200km
White - 48N6DM - 250km
White blue - ??? - over 300km!!! <- this zone is pretty interesting, as its slowly increasing in altitude reaching the usual 27km at 180km only.



The left screen has 12 horizontal lines, could mean 12 target channels instead of the usual 6???
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/16 07:30 PM

The second picture led me to thought the same about target channels, but somewhere I have read that S-400 can track (I am not sure, will try to find it again) 32 or 64 targets (and I think this was valid during preliminary testing, it can be more in production units).

But on the other side I can not imagine how a few people can handle so many targets (in case it does not work like Patriot in full auto mode).


However your finding about a "mysterious missile type" is very interesting thumbsup
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/16 07:39 PM

It looks like the mysterious missile must be 40N6 (see here).

The same source notes that 92N6E can track 100 targets and have 6 target channels. But at Almaz-Antey (here) they note 36 target channels with 72 missile channels.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/16 12:47 PM

Can you ask for the full video?
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/16 03:29 PM

Definitely, I will let you know....
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/16 03:44 PM

Here it is....

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/16 03:53 PM

I not found here the internal shots shared by you earlier...
nope
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/16 04:01 PM

rather this one:
http://rg.ru/2016/03/01/reg-urfo/triumf-boevoe-dezhurstvo-cvo.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/16 04:21 PM

http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/303019

And some other interesting shots...
so it has range modes of 150km / 300km / 600km!!!




It tracks 6 target.


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/22/16 06:06 PM

http://www.ausairpower.net/index.html
... website will be discontinued from April.
If you are interested, you can make a copy of it for yourself.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/22/16 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
http://www.ausairpower.net/index.html
... website will be discontinued from April.
If you are interested, you can make a copy of it for yourself.


1. Who told you that?
2. How could make a copy of a whole site???
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/22/16 08:32 PM

Copy of a site: try Offline Explorer, I used it in the past with great success. It also includes various parsers (Javascript for example) and it can also work with password protected sites.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/23/16 07:06 PM

........Thanks Alien... Anyway, I think I cannot handle it...

... Meanwhile some events are going in Airforce museum in Belgrade this days...:

24. mart – Sve&#269;ano otvaranje u 14 &#269;asova
• Pozdravni govor g. Petra Nedeljkovi&#263;a, predstavnika Muzeja vazduhoplovstva – Beograd
• Beseda generala Spasoja Smiljani&#263;a – se&#263;anja na NATO agresiju
• Prikazivanje dokumentarnog filma o NATO agresiji i obilazak postavke posve&#263;ene NATO agresiji pod nazivom „Eksponati koji su padali sa neba“

25. mart – 12 &#269;asova
• Beseda borbene posluge 3. diviziona, 250. raketne brigade VJ o obaranju aviona F-117A i F-16
• Prikazivanje dokumentarnog filma o NATO agresiji
• Obilazak na temu NATO avijacije i naše avijacije uz razgledanje maketa i uniformi iz tog vremena

26. i 27. mart – 12 &#269;asova
• Prikazivanje dokumentarnog filma o NATO agresiji i obilazak postavke
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/31/16 08:28 AM

Interesting assessment of WarPact field army air defense, from MOLNIBALAGE.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9by7qqbtaakd/WPACT_structure_and_air_defense
Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/02/16 02:26 PM

New North-Korean SAM, named KN-06 by the USA. It really looks like a by-product of HQ-9 or S-300PMU.




Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/02/16 04:33 PM

Great find!
A game changer around?




Posted By: PN79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/02/16 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Interesting assessment of WarPact field army air defense, from MOLNIBALAGE.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9by7qqbtaakd/WPACT_structure_and_air_defense


Some additional info to Czechoslovakia:

- there were 5 tank and motor-rifle divisions on full numbers, 5 on reduced numbers and 5 "stored" divisions to be mobilized from 1969 to 1989 + some reserve and training divisions to be mobilized whose numbers varied (two to three up to 1989 and not planned to be mobilized according to last war plan from 1989)

- AAA regiments of divisions without SAMs were also equipped with czechoslovak domestic 57mm AA gun unusualy designated as "57mm PLK vzor CS", more info: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/57mm%20Czech.htm

- tank and motor-rifle regiments without SA-9/SA-13 has usually AA battery consisting of six M53/59, however at some point M53/59 were subordinated directly to battalions

- SA-7 was produced locally but it was available in significant numbers only from 1980s, motor-rifle battalion had 9 launchers

- there were also independed AAA regiments in ground forces subordinated directly to armies with 85mm and 130mm AA guns, they were disbanded in 1970s-1980s
Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/03/16 12:51 AM

Turkmenistan seems to be equipped with Chinese made FD-2000.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1822084.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/03/16 08:07 AM

Were Igla fielded, or just the Strela-2M?
Posted By: PN79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/03/16 09:07 AM

In Czechoslovakia only Strela-2M was available. Strela-3 was offered by Soviets but refused here. At the end of 1980s there was negotiation with Soviets to obtain licence for production of Igla-1 but end of Cold war stopped that deal. Slovakia then bought Igla after dissolution of Czechoslovakia.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/06/16 04:47 PM

Nice books here...
http://aupress.maxwell.af.mil/books.asp
... how to kill a long range SAM.

Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses and Joint War Fighting in an Uncertain World

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/06/16 06:35 PM

Interesting reading:

http://news.usni.org/2016/03/28/document...port#more-18766

SSL (Solid State Laser):

Now thinking about ~ 200kW power used within a few km of protection instead of the previous "MW" level, and hundreds of kilometers ranged powerful lasers.
No mention of the Free Electron Laser from which a few years ago was proclaimed a large world-saving technology.
Currently, the most important technological problems:
-The Current laser technologies has only ~30% efficiency, a significant move forward from here is difficult (ie: with an optical 200kW performance laser, you need to get rid of circa 460kW thermal heat).
-The providing optical 'window' purity of the salt water, and dirt.
-The problem of atmospheric factors (humidity, fog, rain) at greater distances

EMRG (Electro Magnetic Rail Gun):
Current technical problems:
- Barrel life
- Upgrade current 8MJ muzzle energy to 32MJ
- Dissipating barrel heating during 10 rounds/minute rate of fire
- Size And weight requirement for existing ships (~ 600 tons per moments of a 32MJ EMRG gun, in Burke only 60 tons available)
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/17/16 11:07 AM

S-500 news...

The long-range high intercept S-500 complex with extended ballistic missile defense capabilities is planned to enter operational readiness in 2016. Open sources say the S-500 will be capable of simultaneously engaging up to 10 targets traveling at speeds of up to seven kilometers per second, which is an approximate speed of intercontinental ballistic missile nuclear warheads entering the atmosphere. The killing range of the complex is reported to be 600 kilometers, while the altitude of a target engaged could be near 180-200 kilometers. Russian Aerospace Forces are reportedly planning to purchase five S-500 complexes up to the year 2020. The S-500 complexes are going to be integrated into the A-135 (and successive A-235) Moscow air defense system.

https://www.rt.com/news/339757-s-500-prometheus-air-defense/
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/17/16 07:15 PM

Nice thumbsup
Interesting is info about 40N6, our "mysterious" missile from S-400. It is interesting it can be launched also from S-300 series.
And more interesting is its maximum height of flight of 180km, can't wait to read some more info about this missile....
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/17/16 07:20 PM

Another interesting story - HERE and HERE.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/18/16 06:27 PM





screwy
Posted By: KJakker

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/18/16 07:08 PM

Hpasp, is the S-500 the equivalent of THAAD or is it more like the GMD system?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/24/16 07:27 PM

Iron Dome first success, five years ago Major Maor Gavriel engaged...
here



Posted By: PN79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/01/16 06:57 PM

Regarding Czechoslovak SA-8. According to veterans there were 5 batteries with OSA-AKM in 5th AA Regiment, Zatec (1st Tank Division) and one battery with OSA-AK in Jaromer training centre. Can somebody check this against russian sources that Czechoslovakia received 6 SA-8 batteries?

EDIT: Import of one OSA-AK battery in 1980 is confirmed by MoD publication. The battery served for training but included live firing.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/02/16 01:32 PM

As far as I know...


Posted By: PN79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/02/16 10:46 PM

According to MoD publication: http://www.army.cz/images/id_7001_8000/7044/21str.pdf

my translation, page 31:
"The first firing and technical battery was transferred to us from at that time the Soviet Union in 1980 to garrison in Jaromer. In August 1982 took place warranty firing in soviet firing range Asuluk with excellent assement. Shortly after that was decided to equip whole regiment."

Also from veterans discusion here http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/kolova-obrnena-vozidla/plrk-stredniho-dosahu-9k33m-_osa-akm_/ is this information: "there were 5 batteries in Zatec and one in Jaromer", "one battery 9A33BM2 and five batteries 9A33BM3"

And here list of documentation and dates http://www.csla.cz/armada/prirucky/prirucky_pvovd.htm - at first OSA-AK (documentation from 1981) then OSA-AKM (1985).

It would be nice to have export list for army air defences as you have presented for SA-2 and SA-3. May be we could find more surprises. Thank you for your effort with SAM Simulator and please continue.
Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/13/16 12:12 AM

A more complete video about the MAMBA Air Defense System.

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/13/16 03:44 PM

A Rare Look Inside Aegis Ashore Missile Defense System Romania...

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/22/16 08:30 AM

They not heard of the K4 command?

http://thebulletin.org/evidence-shows-iron-dome-not-working7318
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/24/16 06:48 PM

No fully capable S-300PMU1 for Iran until delivery for F-35S to Israel.

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/735105086477598725
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/01/16 01:18 PM

S-500 Triumphator-M

https://austinstalk.blogspot.hu/2016/05/s-500-air-space-defense-system.html
Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/02/16 10:21 PM



Wow... That's pretty impressive !
Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/02/16 10:32 PM

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/36764520160603002450.jpg
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/10/16 12:56 AM

SA-6 Live Fire in Poland.

Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/11/16 09:50 PM

Hehe, it seems to be the Utska firing range, great memories for me !!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/12/16 02:53 PM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/12/16 03:21 PM





Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/06/16 03:47 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/10/16 04:34 PM

Turkish Cobra killed in Syria with 9K38 Igla (SA-18)

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/10/16 04:35 PM

Russian Mi-25 killed in Syria...

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/13/16 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Russian Mi-25 killed in Syria...



Mi-35...
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/17/16 07:34 PM

Patriot fails to intercept drone over Golan Heights that came from Syria. https://twitter.com/IsraelBreaking/status/754687662838218752
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 07/23/16 05:03 PM

Historical background about the REDEYE (predecessor of Stinger) MANPAD system.
Always nice when civilian weapon experts state their opinion on military topics...
screwy

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/22/16 06:32 PM

TOR M2U

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/27/16 08:07 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/10/16 06:22 PM

Swedish stuff...

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/10/16 06:53 PM

I do not have time to watch whole video now. I have not heard anything about it, did some Swedish troops come for Ample strike?

Anyway, even if we added it to our inventory (now we have only RBS-70 MANPAD and a few upgraded Kubs) it would be a complete tragedy, after more than 50 years with Dvina, Volchov, Neva, Vega and S-300 (and of course Krug, Kub and Osa) sigh
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/16/16 08:35 PM

Note the date.... biggrin


Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/20/16 08:46 AM

P12 (according to 1RL-114 marking)? Mathias Rust?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/20/16 11:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
P12 (according to 1RL-114 marking)? Mathias Rust?


thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/21/16 09:01 AM

http://www.madracki.com/usarmyhawk/drawings.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/21/16 09:00 PM

new stuff here...
http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/539946.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/30/16 05:11 PM

Tobruq Legacy 2016 Air Defense exercise (Slovakia)...
... largest Air Defense exercise in Europe, with 8 nations involved.

In the video:

Czech/Slovak/Hungarian KUB
Slovak S-300PMU
US Avenger
Hungarian Mistral
Czech RBS

Slovak MiG-29 teamed up with Hugarian JAS-39 Gripens playing Agressors.
Slovak Mi-8 and US Blackhawks also as Agressor.



Also joined the exercise (not on video):

Polish Grom
US Patriot
Slovak/Sloven Igla
Lithuanian Stinger
Latvian RBS 70

Slovakian L-39 and Czech ALCA as Agressor.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/02/16 09:15 AM

Different levels of KUB modernization...

Slovakia


Hungary


Czech
Posted By: Anddy

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/03/16 08:19 PM

Video from gunner place Thor M2U .
Enable simulation mode automatically defeats targets.
https://youtu.be/y8f6l-UN_9M

Posted By: farokh

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/06/16 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Different levels of KUB modernization...

Slovakia


Hungary


Czech





Ahhh my heart hpasp ... ahhh my heart
Dont show these dolls over here
I am so disapointed that we hadnt it on samsim
This is the most tragic subject around the simulation world
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/07/16 06:46 AM

Slovak, Czech, and Hungarian SURN...
... no accident that the KUB system is selected for life extension/upgrade by the exWarPact now NATO countries.




More photos of the event:

http://kameraaltal.blog.hu/2016/10/06/tobruq_legacy_303
http://airbase.blog.hu/2016/10/03/tobruq_legacy_2016_i
http://airbase.blog.hu/2016/10/06/tobruq_legacy_2016_ii
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/08/16 11:44 AM

Still Tobruq Legacy 2016 the largest GBAD exercise in Europe...
thumbsup

Posted By: piston79

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/08/16 01:28 PM

Ustka:

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/08/16 08:04 PM

Nice video showing Czech upgraded Kub in action. I did not know it, thanks thumbsup
Posted By: piston79

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/09/16 07:48 AM

Guys, any particular info about the Czech modernization, particularly about data tranfer with IADS or EW radars outside SURN?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 10/09/16 10:52 AM

http://www.military-retia.eu/en/modernization-2k12-kub
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/11/16 11:01 AM

Quote:
On Dec. 7, the Israeli air force carried out a series of surgical air strikes inside Syria. Such strikes are not uncommon in Syria and Lebanon—the Israelis frequently attack convoys carrying weapons to Hezbollah militants in Lebanon and to and degrade Syrian regime forces in southwestern Syria.
But the Dec. 7 strike was fairly unique. For one, much of the air raid was captured on camera. And the video and photographic evidence reveals some very interesting Israeli tactics.

Two formation of Israeli fighter jets, each consisting of two F-15s, entered Syrian airspace at 1600 local time from the direction of Lebanon, heading from west to east toward Damascus at very high altitude and high speed.

The wide spacing between the Israeli jets—both within each two-ship formation and between the two separate pairs—is noteworthy. There’s a good probable cause for this arrangement.
Israeli fighters almost definitely were using electronic jamming to prevent Syrian air defense radars from tracking them at long distance. Russian-made air defense systems, including those in Syria’s possession, include specific means of countering sophisticated enemy jamming.
In the absence of passive radars and an integrated air defense network, Syrian systems could probably still track the azimuth and elevation of incoming jamming signals via their own receivers—albeit with a considerable error margin.

That data could cue Syrian missile batteries’ optical sensors and allow the operators to fire toward the intruders. The spacing between the Israeli F-15s made the error margins overlap and thus made the Syrians’ direction-finding even less accurate, buying valuable time for the planes to get close to their targets.


At right—the F-15s’ contrails are at left. The contrails on the right are from Buk missiles. At top—Israeli air force F-15Isl


Even under heavy jamming, Syrian Buk-M2 missile batteries stationed at Mezzeh airport managed to fire two missiles toward the first formation. The Israelis responded with a simple move—they changed direction.

In long-distance shots, medium-range surface-to-air missiles predict a point of impact ahead of incoming aircraft and travel a ballistic trajectory to reach that point. In the last phase of flight, the missile would correct its trajectory using its seeker. A significant change in the target’s direction would mean that the missile would not find the aircraft in the predicted zone.

The first formation of F-15s drew the Syrian missiles toward themselves then turned toward north and released their weapons, striking a small airstrip called Al Sharai in Dimas region west of Damascus. The first formation then made a hard turn to the west and returned to Lebanese skies.
Not far behind, the second formation had already entered Syria.

The pair of F-15s approached Damascus head on—this time the Buk-M2 battery apparently waited for the intruders to change their direction or close in.

The Israeli F-15s released their standoff weapons and made a hard left turn toward the south. Two more Syrian missiles snaked into the sky—the contrails indicating SA-3s. These missiles weren’t aiming for Israeli jets but for the missiles they had fired.

One of the SA-3s hit its target. The wreckage of a Popeye guided missile fell to the ground. The Popeye is a stand-off missile with a warhead weighing 700 pounds. It uses combination of infrared imagery and inertial guidance to precisely attack targets up to 50 miles away from the launch point.



The wreckage of the Popeye missile.


The surviving missiles from the second pair of F-15s struck vehicles and supplies on a ramp at Damascus’ international airport.


http://israel-aircraft-avions.blogspot.bg/2014/12/en-12-dec-2014-feedback-four-israeli-f.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/05/16 01:01 PM

5 Bidders Emerge in Competition for Czech Republic Air Defense Systems

Five companies have submitted offers to supply mid-range air defense systems to the Czech Ministry of Defense. These include Lockheed Martin, MBDA, Kongsberg, Rafael and Diehl, according to Vladimir Lukovsky, a spokesperson for the Czech ministry.

Under the plan, the new missiles are to replace the Czech Republic’s Soviet-built 2K 12M KUB M systems. The outdated missiles are to be decommissioned in 2020, and the Czech ministry aims to acquire new air defense systems by then.

In the first phase of the procurement, Prague is planning to purchase less than 10 new batteries. The procurement is estimated to be worth at least 6 billion krona (US $246 million).

"According to the information obtained, the offers include the Lockheed Martin/MBDA MEADS system, Israeli Rafael Spyder system, Kongsberg’s NASAMS SAM, as well as the German Diehl IRIS-T SLM system."

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/5-bi...defense-systems
Posted By: Muggs

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 11/05/16 01:38 PM

Hide and Seek, the Story of Jaish al-Islam’s 9K33 Osa SAMs

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/11/02/hide-seek-story-jaish-al-islams-9k33-osa-sams/
Posted By: piston79

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 11/14/16 09:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Muggs


Nice reading
Posted By: piston79

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 11/14/16 09:10 PM

Posted By: Muggs

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 11/20/16 03:54 PM

Video explaining how open source information helped in the investigation of MH-17 being downed by a BUK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mozxTk3Brqw
Posted By: piston79

Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS - 11/20/16 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Muggs
Video explaining how open source information helped in the investigation of MH-17 being downed by a BUK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mozxTk3Brqw


Thanks... There are two topics here, where you could add this video:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3984976/What_would_an_SA-11_operator_h#Post3984976

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4009604/What_type_of_missle_could_have#Post4009604
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/03/16 04:12 PM

First two batteries of BUK-M3 was accepted into service in Russia this year...

https://topwar.ru/104629-novosti-razviti...go-proekta.html

Nice graphic representation of the different BUK battery versions capabilities.

Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/16 01:50 PM

Failed missile launch of S-300 at Ashuluk

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/805407142022967296

And resulting damage

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/805412827221598208
Posted By: Markan

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/21/16 09:14 AM

Serbian Prime Minister said that Serbia it's in the process of acquiring six MiG-29 fighters and possible a BUK-M1 or M2 systems.

Serbian PM travels to Moscow to meet with Russia's Shoigu

It could also be another politicians lie because president elections are coming next spring.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/23/16 08:07 PM

It is simply a bad joke.
They push for the MiG-29 replacement, that acted like a goat during war.

Let's be specific, in 99 there were opposing to the entire NATO; 14 MiG-29, 12 Neva complex and 20 KUB complex.
 
14pcs MiG-29, included 4 inoperable at the beginning of the war. (typical)

At the first night of the war, half of the MiG-29 fleet was engaging, and 4 were shot down.

Second night of the war, 2 MiG-29 engaged NATO, and both were shot down.

At the 3rd night, Yugoslavia had 4 inoperable (cannibalized) MiG-29, 1 crashed in accident, so only 3 MiG-29 left combat ready.

During the remaining 75 the nights of the war, this 3 deployable MiG-29 flown only four (!!!) combat missions, by loosing one another plane, still without any result.

During 2009, one another MiG-29 fighter crashed, so only 3 MiG-29 left intact as of today. (not counting MiG-29UBs)



12 Neva systems (all in operable condition) started the war. NATO acknowledged, that they killed 2 planes (F-117, F-16).
During the 78 nights of the war, they engaged 50 times, launching 98 missiles.
6 complexes are active today, during the war 5 received damage beyond repair, and one was cannibalized for parts.
 
20pcs KUB batteries were unable to succeed against the ALE-50.
They opened fire 46 times, by launching 70 missiles.
12 KUB system remained active after the end of the war ...
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/24/16 07:46 AM



Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/29/16 09:40 PM

Sweden: SAMP/T or Patriot?
Decision might happen already next spring...

http://www.svd.se/patriotmissiler-for-mi...-sakerhetslaget
Posted By: Patarames

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/30/16 05:11 PM

Here is a tough nut for SAM system experts from Iran:







These are the first official publicized photos of what should be the guidance radar of the Talash system with its Sayyad-2 SAM.

My take on what can be seen:
The illumination radar is apparently formed by two separate trucks with two separate dishes. The truck seen in the third photo has a strange dish for a radar system as its seems to have a LNB type receiver only, no transmitting feed system can be seen. What can be seen are two directional transmitters at the sides for mid-course update proposes.

The illumination radar transmitter can be seen in the second photo. So the question that arises is why not integrating the illumination and tracking radar on one truck such as in some other Iranian illumination and tracking radars? The answer for me is the use of continuous wave illumination which cant be archived with a integrated transmitter-receiver system (at least not by older generation mechanically steered systems with high power output). Namely one of the purposes for this Talash system is to replace the massive 5N62 illumination radar of the S-200 with a mobile illumination system. So would a illumination radar which has FMCW transmitter receiver separation requirements, separated by space on two separate trucks be able to split the 5N62 to two smaller mobile systems?

I wonder how useful the lock on after launch capability of the S-200 is, for which the large data-link dish of the 5N62 would be used. If a LOAL system is operationally useful for the S-200, then the question arises whether the two directional antenna feed horns of the receiver truck mentioned above would be sufficient to maintain data-link with the S-200 missile at longer ranges, because its much smaller than the data link dish of the 5N62.

Beside the benefits of replacing the 5N62 with a new mobile illumination radar (called Ofoq apparently), there should also be a improvement of lock-on performance against more agile maneuvering fighter-type targets. The reduced masses and inertia of this smaller system together with improved steering system available today would reduce one of the biggest weak points the S-200 is claimed to have.

The S-200 in Iranian service already uses other detection radars other than the P-14 if necessary, including mobile long range radars available in the IADS. With a mobile replacement for the 5N62 an a mobile medium range SAM with the Sayyad-2, the long range SAM component of the Talash-S200 hybrid would be the last remaining static component of the system (at least a non-emitting one compared to the 5N62 and P-14). The huge radiopower of the S-200 would make this system a quite robust and deadly one especially if digitalized and equipped with new computers and solid-state components.

What is your take and what you think about this interpretation.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/30/16 06:17 PM

Interview with William Bahret who was key figure of developing Stealth...



Happy New Year!
cheers
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/30/16 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Patarames

I wonder how useful the lock on after launch capability of the S-200 is, for which the large data-link dish of the 5N62 would be used. If a LOAL system is operationally useful for the S-200, then the question arises whether the two directional antenna feed horns of the receiver truck mentioned above would be sufficient to maintain data-link with the S-200 missile at longer ranges, because its much smaller than the data link dish of the 5N62.


S-200 does NOT have any datalink. What is questionable is RPC frequency sampling ability of the missile, but it does not even come close to any datalink.
There are three antennas on 5N62 - transmit, receive and KRO (which you probably mean is used for datalink (similarly to S(A)-75 RPK antenna), but it in fact receives signal from missile in flight which indicates that missile's GSN has lost the target lock).

Lock on after launch is used in S-200 in cases where for example trees block line of sight from missile's GSN to target. Because RPC is usually located on an elevated platform in such cases, so it does see the target at the moment of lauch, while the missile does not.
Posted By: Patarames

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/30/16 08:10 PM

I thought the radio/data-link used for LOAL could have a tactical use in emission controlled IADS operation. But your SAM sim indicate that it has no tactical use.

I had a few minutes to further research on the S-200-Talash topic. While the CW radars 5N62 and HIPIR of the HAWK use two separate antenna for transmit and receive CW signals, the 1S91 of the SA-6 uses a single antenna. So my impression was false.

The system in the third photo is directly connected to the Sayyad-2 SAM but the larger antenna system in the second photo is unknown and could be a 1S91 like design for FMCW illumination of the S-200. But for that task the antenna seems to be too small, hence this system could be a early Sayyad-2 illumination radar replaced by the more advanced one in the third photo.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/31/16 08:58 PM

Might be interesting to compare F-35 prices to the S-300P area denial export versions.

Of course, F-35 (in case not cancelled by the elected POTUS) can be afforded only by the the world's richest countries...
... on the other hand;

S-300PMU Volkhov-M6 (SA-10B); Bulgaria - 1pcs, Slovakia -1pcs, China - 4pcs; 75km ranged 5V55R missiles; 55m$ per systems

S-300PMU1 Volkhov-M6M (SA-20A); China - 4pcs, Greece - 2pcs, Vietnam - 2pcs; 150km ranged 48N6E missiles; 115m$ per systems

S-300PMU2 Favorit (SA-20B); China - 16pcs, Algeria - 4pcs, Iran 5(?)pcs; 200km ranged 48N6E2 missiles; 125m$ per systems

S-400 Triumph (SA-21) had a marketing kickoff just this year, with expected deliveries only after 2020.
Possible buyers; (China 6pcs, India 5pcs); 380km ranged 40N6E missiles; 500m$ per systems !!!

Happy New Year!
Hpasp
beercheers
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/08/17 02:07 PM

https://eclinik.files.wordpress.com/2015...=372&crop=1
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/11/17 03:14 PM

Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/15/17 07:43 PM

"GRAVESTONE targeting RADAR screen screen capture shows about a 45-50° scan angle -w- faded return at 60km & possible low # guidance channels"

https://twitter.com/Strat2Intel/status/820429898435166208
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/17 07:59 AM

GRAVESTONE targeting RADAR screen screen capture shows about a 45-50° scan angle -w- faded return at 60km & possible low



Wrong!
Outside numbers are azimuth in degrees.
Inside arches are usually in 50 or in 100km.

That image above showing 600km range.
Compare with this one showing 300km range.



Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/17 09:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
GRAVESTONE targeting RADAR screen screen capture shows about a 45-50° scan angle -w- faded return at 60km & possible low



Wrong!
Outside numbers are azimuth in degrees.
Inside arches are usually in 50 or in 100km.

That image above showing 600km range.




Target data:
target code (???) - 06
beta- 123 degrees
distance - 153 km
heigh - 7 km
speed - (-0250) m/s (receding target)
epsilon - +02 degrees

If we see 120 degree mark, it should be in 300 km mode....

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/17 10:35 AM

Agreed!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/17 11:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Agreed!



By the way, I don't like it... Looks too "MIM-104 Patriot"-ish to me... neaner

P.S. I asked you something in PM about Moldova stuff...
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/16/17 02:15 PM

Makes sense. Thanks SAM-gods smile
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/21/17 10:51 AM

Aster


Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/24/17 01:58 PM

"Russian defense contractor prepares Buk-M3 antiaircraft missile systems for exports"

http://tass.com/defense/926668
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/25/17 01:05 PM

Guys, need some good info (from respectful source) about middle range SAM systems trades in recent years - no matter of country.

Thanks in advance!
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/25/17 02:06 PM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/25/17 05:56 PM

Thanks!

Do you have such resume for middle range SAM-s?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/27/17 02:03 PM

NASAMS-II display (Helsinki);
1 FDC
2 Sentinel
6 MML


Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/28/17 06:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
NASAMS-II display (Helsinki);
1 FDC
2 Sentinel
6 MML




Explain, please..
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/28/17 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
NASAMS-II display (Helsinki);
1 FDC
2 Sentinel
6 MML




Explain, please..

HERE
MML probably multi missile launcher?
------edit----

MML

Symbols on the indicator screen are quite straightforward. FDC in the center, two radars (Sentinel) near it and six launchers (MML) with three of them having targets assigned to them. Targets have their ID, bearing, position and track visible. On the right there is a target table with target 1326 selected.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/29/17 09:30 AM

1 FDC (Fire Distribution Center); A
2 Sentinel Radar; A1, A2
6 MML (Multi-Missile Launcher); 1S, 2S, 3S, 4S, 5S, 6S with 6 AMRAAM missile each; A6
(except 2S having 5 AMRAAM; A5)

green circle; 40km effective range
dashed line; missile/launcher assigned for a target
continuous line; target is in the launching zone
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/29/17 01:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
1 FDC (Fire Distribution Center); A
2 Sentinel Radar; A1, A2
6 MML (Multi-Missile Launcher); 1S, 2S, 3S, 4S, 5S, 6S with 6 AMRAAM missile each; A6
(except 2S having 5 AMRAAM; A5)

green circle; 40km effective range
dashed line; missile/launcher assigned for a target
continuous line; target is in the launching zone


Thank you, Hpasp!

Please, could you list me some medium-range SAM-s, and any deal details (if available)?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/29/17 02:29 PM

I have no information on those, recently most countries are buying Area Denial SAM systems (S-300PMU1/2, Patriot GEM), or ABM capable SAMs (Patriot PAC3).

You can consider NASAMS-II as a middle range modern SAM system, where I have 2 public deals...

2009, Finland paid 346 million Euros for 4 complete batteries; 4x(1 FDC, 2 Sentinel, 6 MML)
2016, Lithuania paid 112 million USD for 2 stripped down batteries 2x(1 FDC, 1 Sentinel, 2 MML)

In 2014, Spain received used Patriot Standard batteries from Germany.
Paid 51 millionUSD for 2 batteries, 10 launchers, and 8 STD missiles.

No other medium range deal is in my papers for the last ~10 years, except Russia donating some used S-300PT/PS systems to friendly ex-Soviet Republics for free...
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/30/17 06:47 PM

"Satellite imagery shows that the UAE Air Force and Air Defence have deployed the AN/TPY-2 radar along with its THAAD battery operating near the coast."

http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=30549
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/30/17 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
I have no information on those, recently most countries are buying Area Denial SAM systems (S-300PMU1/2, Patriot GEM), or ABM capable SAMs (Patriot PAC3).

You can consider NASAMS-II as a middle range modern SAM system, where I have 2 public deals...

2009, Finland paid 346 million Euros for 4 complete batteries; 4x(1 FDC, 2 Sentinel, 6 MML)
2016, Lithuania paid 112 million USD for 2 stripped down batteries 2x(1 FDC, 1 Sentinel, 2 MML)

In 2014, Spain received used Patriot Standard batteries from Germany.
Paid 51 millionUSD for 2 batteries, 10 launchers, and 8 STD missiles.

No other medium range deal is in my papers for the last ~10 years, except Russia donating some used S-300PT/PS systems to friendly ex-Soviet Republics for free...



Thanks!

It is pretty strange now, with those multi functional systems, to separate them by range....
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/07/17 02:13 PM

Interesting article...

https://news.usni.org/2014/06/09/u-s-navys-secret-counter-stealth-weapon-hiding-plain-sight
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/07/17 08:59 PM

"A recent Pentagon report has revealed that software issues are causing delays in the US Army’s new air and missile defense command system."

https://sputniknews.com/military/201702071050445060-software-issues-delay-defense-system/
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/08/17 02:23 PM

Posted By: Markan

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/12/17 12:39 PM

Serbia is in the process of acquiring a BUK-MB system from Belarus in 2018.

BUK-MB

Here is the article from tango six blog but it is in Serbian.


Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/12/17 08:33 PM

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/short-range-air-defense-making-fast-comeback

Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/17/17 02:14 PM

Photo of BUK-M3E.

https://twitter.com/RSS_40/status/832509610460319744
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/25/17 12:22 PM

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/03/17 11:54 AM

"#Egypt: Infographic: Strategic systems of the Egyptian Air Defense Force, under intense modernization includ the long range warning network."

https://twitter.com/BTelawy/status/832594221920030720/photo/1
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/12/17 06:46 PM

M-SAM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/17/17 07:36 PM

Interesting cost comparison...

1957
one S-25 regiment / (20 target channel) system cost (including huge building project) - 180mR
one V-300 missile price ~180'000 R

one S-75 battery / (1 target channel) system cost - 11,3mR
one V-750 missile price ~183'000 R

one Dal regiment price 105mR
one V-400 missile price ~190'000 R

1978
one S-300P battery price (6 target channel) - 14mR
Regimental command point cost (5K56CP + 5N64 RLO [Big Bird]) - 10 mR
one V-500K missile price 60'000 R
one V-500R missile price 90'000 R
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/18/17 07:07 PM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/19/17 07:15 PM

Shabla Firing range.... This year ukrainians are expected to participate...

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/17 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Hpasp

At the part with Volchov missiles, the interior footage is still from Neva nope sigh
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/17 04:30 PM

Yes because the Bulgarian Volhov missile was the target of the Serbian Neva battery.
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/20/17 06:32 PM

Thanks for explanation thumbsup
Posted By: Jonas85

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/23/17 09:11 PM

Huge fire in Balaklea artillery and missile storage depot, Charkiv. An act of sabotage is suspected. Reportedly, some older "Buk" missiles were stored there and you can see them flying (ex. around 3:00):
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/23/17 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jonas85
Huge fire in Balaklea artillery and missile storage depot, Charkiv. An act of sabotage is suspected. Reportedly, some older "Buk" missiles were stored there and you can see them flying (ex. around 3:00):



Jonas, what's with jamming in the Sim?
Posted By: Lonewolf357

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/27/17 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hpasp
Interesting cost comparison...

1957
one S-25 regiment / (20 target channel) system cost (including huge building project) - 180mR
one V-300 missile price ~180'000 R

one S-75 battery / (1 target channel) system cost - 11,3mR
one V-750 missile price ~183'000 R

one Dal regiment price 105mR
one V-400 missile price ~190'000 R

1978
one S-300P battery price (6 target channel) - 14mR
Regimental command point cost (5K56CP + 5N64 RLO [Big Bird]) - 10 mR
one V-500K missile price 60'000 R
one V-500R missile price 90'000 R


Please don't forget that in year 1961 Soviet rouble was de-noninated 10:1. So all pre-1961 prices should be divided by 10 to compare with post-1961. In 1970es, one S-75M3 battery cost around 900000 rub. (cost of just one T-80 tank, btw.), one S-125 battery - around 650000 rub.
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/30/17 07:08 PM

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/31/17 08:24 PM

SAM battery signs.
Do you know, what is what?

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/02/17 10:13 PM

Just guessing:
Short range
Medium range
Long range
Mobile unit???? Multichannel system?
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/03/17 05:40 PM

SAM units in Hungary, at the end of the Cold War...

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/03/17 05:44 PM

[Linked Image]

Short range
Medium range
Long range
Medium range multi-channel system

thumbsup
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/17/17 12:02 PM

"PHOTO: S-300 and Pantsir-S units from Russia's Southern Military District participated in #Airdefense exercise in Siberia"

https://twitter.com/Missilito/status/853904842384977920
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/21/17 03:42 PM

Training Pantsir operators

https://twitter.com/Aln54Dz/status/855417343886979073
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/22/17 11:02 PM

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/28/17 06:54 PM

"S-400 & Pantsir-S1exercise in Moscow Oblast, #Russia Ā©RuMoD"

https://twitter.com/russian_defence/status/868548612116144129
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/12/17 02:23 PM

Egyptian S-300 being unloaded in Alexandria port

https://twitter.com/mahmouedgamal44/status/872054494498086912
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/27/17 04:25 AM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/01/17 07:37 PM

[img]http://militaryrussia.ru/forum/down...ae5bf076b5331ee5ff1b19e23e&mode=view[/img]

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Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/17 09:44 AM

Keys to the sky competition...

http://armygames2017.mil.ru/keys_to_the_sky_media_en
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/09/17 07:11 PM

Nike Hercules missile and a missile walk-a-round gallery

http://aviationarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/nike-hercules-photos-and-walk-round.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/25/17 11:51 AM

Panzir shootings in Syria.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/25/17 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Hpasp
Panzir shootings in Syria.



No photo of target wrecks???? Seems a bit fake to me...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/31/17 07:32 PM

RTV positions durin Linebacker-II..:

[Linked Image]

At least two PRV-11 was damaged by ARM, what of them was of 53 rlr
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/13/17 08:38 AM

New target in development is on the horizont...

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...r-plane-crash-nevada-training-range.html
Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/13/17 08:43 AM

Our old foe, the F-117A is slowly removed from service. (no, it was not retired earlier as was widely publicized)

https://www.defensetech.org/2017/09/11/retired-still-flying-f-117-nighthawk-may-soon-fade-black/
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/20/17 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Hpasp
Our old foe, the F-117A is slowly removed from service. (no, it was not retired earlier as was widely publicized)

https://www.defensetech.org/2017/09/11/retired-still-flying-f-117-nighthawk-may-soon-fade-black/


Nope... :nope


Our foe is F-16CJ, F-117 is our target...:
Posted By: ascromis

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/21/17 06:12 PM

French Mamba MRAD and Crotale NG SHORAD deployed in Sweden for AURORA 2017 exercise:

Posted By: Hpasp

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/22/17 10:02 AM

[Linked Image]
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/07/17 08:11 PM

Some old Early Warning stuff..

http://www.gyges.dk/index.htm
Posted By: ricnunes

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 11/12/17 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Hpasp


You'll be disappointed if you expect something fancy. All indicates that the 'Classified Plane' which the pilot (Lt. Col. Eric Schultz) was flying when he crashed and died was a Su-27.
Yes, a Su-27 Flanker! The pilot was apparently flying with a squadron equipped with Russian (and/or other foreign nations) aircraft based on the famous Area 51 and was apparently flying a Su-27 when he crashed.
Here:
https://theaviationist.com/2017/09/...l-eric-doc-schultz-near-area-51-emerges/
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/17 10:29 AM

"Russian anti-aircraft missile brigade in Kursk to receive new Buk-M3 systems"

Quote
The personnel of the 53rd Anti-aircraft Missile Brigade of the combined arms army of the Western Military District stationed in the Kursk region began receiving new Buk-M3 anti-aircraft missile systems. The reception is carried out in the Astrakhan region at the Kapustin Yar test range.

Subsequently, anti-aircraft gunners will have to undergo a three-month retraining in Orenburg on the basis of the training center for military air defence, during which the SAMā€™s teams will study the tactical and technical capabilities and the material base of the new complex.

In practical exercises, servicemen will develop skills in loading launchers with missiles, methods of working on electronic equipment of anti-aircraft missile systems, and will conduct electronic launches of missiles.

The Buk-M3 medium-range surface-to-air missile system is a modernized version of the Buk-M2 system, features advanced electronic components and a deadly new missile and could be regarded as a completely new system.

The Buk-M3 uses a new 9M317M missile. This missile was first publicly revealed in 2006. It has a totally different design that older Buk missiles. It is more compact than missiles, used on the Buk M1 and Buk M2 systems.



http://defence-blog.com/army/russia...kursk-to-receive-new-buk-m3-systems.html
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/17 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Muggs
"Russian anti-aircraft missile brigade in Kursk to receive new Buk-M3 systems"


A unit from this brigade is responcible for MH17...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/04/17 03:36 PM



Sea based Iron Dome trials...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/08/17 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Muggs
Photo of "Delfin" alleged Colonel General Nikolai Fedorovich Tkachev.

https://twitter.com/mil_in_ua/status/939046153009664000



Maybe it's better to use this topic..

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3984976/2
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/08/17 06:18 PM

I should be, you're correct.
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/24/17 11:36 PM

Quote
Latest Buk-M3 brigade set has departed Kapustin Yar & is now deployed at Marshal Zhukov village,Kursk Obl. w/53rd SAM Brigade (ZRBr) of the 1st Gds Tank Army(ZVO).Note:Buk-M3(9Šš317Šœ) sex TELAR(SOU) & duodecim TEL(PZU);
9S18M1 acquisition & 9S36 low alt acquis./engagement radars


https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/942735924919767040
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 12/27/17 07:54 PM

Just interesting video:



NOTE THE TARGET!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/07/18 12:08 AM

Attack on Hmeym base in Syria... Rumors that S-400 was damaged....
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/10/18 12:42 PM

Here's a photo I got of an RAF reg. Rapier setup at RAF Lossiemouth in 2016 image
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 02/27/18 02:57 PM

"Russia begins S-500 Prometheus production"

https://www.armyrecognition.com/feb..._begins_s-500_prometheus_production.html

Should future news be put in S-300, S-350, S-400 (+S-500) thread?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/18 09:44 PM

http://users.sch.gr/dlabaditis/TH/radars/index.htm
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/05/18 06:27 PM

Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/08/18 03:07 PM

Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/10/18 09:30 PM

Israel taking out Pantsir.. https://twitter.com/IAFsite/status/994624463722500101

Edit: Reports it was a Delilah cruise missile
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/12/18 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Muggs
Israel taking out Pantsir.. https://twitter.com/IAFsite/status/994624463722500101

Edit: Reports it was a Delilah cruise missile


the wreckage...

[Linked Image]

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Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/26/18 08:39 PM

On S-500 testing new record wa set - 299 miles shot....

no further details available
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/27/18 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by piston79
On S-500 testing new record wa set - 299 miles shot....

no further details available

:thumbsup attack :
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/02/18 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Alien_MasterMynd
Originally Posted by piston79
On S-500 testing new record wa set - 299 miles shot....

no further details available

:thumbsup attack :


But maybe BOMARC still owns the record, what do you think?
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/04/18 12:15 PM




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Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/14/18 10:32 AM

Talos? It is quite similar to British Sea dart.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/14/18 05:23 PM

Quiz: Did you know which SAM missile (maybe) is the mother of this missile?

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Jonas85

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/15/18 09:41 PM

It looks very similar to a M-11 Shtorm SAM (SA-N-3 Goblet). It's quite an interesting system: I searched for the info on its SNR Grom (Head Lights) ... PVO Guns page says say, it had two monopulse antennas working simultaneously on different frequencies as an ECCM measure... Hpasp wrote that the guidance was actually the Narrow Beam/LORO combo as in Volkhov (and indeed it looks similar). So I am confused which version is correct dizzy
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/16/18 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Jonas85
So I am confused which version is correct dizzy


I think everything is OK..

"The lower two larger parabola tracks the target, similarly as the Volhov (Narrow Beam/LORO) antennas" - Hpasp
Posted By: Jonas85

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/16/18 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by piston79

"... similarly as the Volhov (Narrow Beam/LORO) antennas" - Hpasp

Well, LORO is rather different from monopulse. We could probably figure this out from the picture of the Head Light feed horn (for full monopulse, there must be 4 sections). From vertically and horizontally aligned wire strips, I can only tell two Head Light tracking antennas use different polarization (rotated by 90 degrees). But I cannot decide if this is a pure Volkhov-like LORO system with one antenna working in azimuth, another in elevation, or two dedicated monopulse antennas, working on different frequencies and different polarizations as ECCM feature.
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/16/18 03:26 PM

Nope... Hpasp adressed the antenna similarity, not the mode of radio transmiting/receiving....
Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/29/18 08:43 AM

Tu-16P jamming OR-2 radar at Prague airport (LKPR) on 21.8.1968

More great pictures HERE.

Attached picture or-2.png
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/25/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Alien_MasterMynd
Tu-16P jamming OR-2 radar at Prague airport (LKPR) on 21.8.1968

More great pictures HERE.


Thanks
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/21/19 09:59 AM



minus 2 SAA PAntzirs...
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/19/19 06:19 PM

Some nice inside shots in SA-8 and double digit SA...

Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 04/12/19 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by piston79
Some nice inside shots in SA-8 and double digit SA...


thumbsup
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/18/19 10:35 AM

Room devoted to the Bloodhound at a museum in the UK.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/19/19 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Muggs
Room devoted to the Bloodhound at a museum in the UK.



Beautiful ...
Posted By: Mdore

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/12/19 01:49 PM



A fair amount of information is visible in the radar segment
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/12/19 07:41 PM

Good one, Mdore...
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 06/22/19 12:29 PM

"U.S. negotiating with Israel to purchase two Iron Domeā€™s batteries"

Quote
ā€œRight now, weā€™re thinking ā€˜Iron Domeā€™ offers the best solution for an initial capability for IFPC,ā€ Young said. Iron Dome is an air defense system used by Israel effectively in over 1,900 combat engagements, he said. Further testing and experimentation with the Iron Dome System and its components will take place and help inform the Armyā€™s enduring solution for IFPC, he said.


https://defence-blog.com/army/u-s-negotiating-with-israel-to-purchase-two-iron-domes-batteries.html
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/20/19 05:59 PM

""Iron Dome" Technicians"
Quote
Somewhere in southern Israel, there lies an "Iron Dome" battery wherein Command, Control & Launch (CCL) technicians operate alongside the combatants. What is their role during warfare? What is the scope of their capabilities? And what does it feel like when you see a launch with your own two eyes?


https://www.iaf.org.il/9079-51389-en/IAF.aspx
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 08/22/19 07:11 PM

French air defence

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/02/19 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Muggs
French air defence



Cannot see the video anymore...
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/03/19 01:56 PM

Here it is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzaEX2FOTt0
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 09/03/19 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Muggs



Thanks... Nice
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 10/20/19 10:53 AM

https://www.defence24.com/mspo-2015-virtual-sam-simulator
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 01/24/20 02:21 PM

I guess Hpasp works in Almaz-Antey... wink

Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/20 10:16 PM

Inside BUK M2

https://youtu.be/LExzEC15ZYI?t=45
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/21/20 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Muggs


This is the so called "Dome" - 9Š”18 :

[Linked Image]

...and, by the way, the missile on the TELAR was from the type, that destroyed MH17, that Russia didn;t have....
Posted By: Muggs

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 03/22/20 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by piston79
Originally Posted by Muggs


This is the so called "Dome" - 9Š”18 :

...and, by the way, the missile on the TELAR was from the type, that destroyed MH17, that Russia didn;t have....


Thanks for the information!
Posted By: Jonas85

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/22/20 11:12 PM

I have a question for SAM enthusiasts in this forum.

Youtube is full of videos showing the destruction of Pantsir systems in Syria in March and most recently in Lybia. While in some videos the Pantsirs were killed parked near buildings or in transportation, at least couple of them show hits on Pantsir in engagement mode, with a rotating radar or even firing missiles.

Here is one such example:



It has been claimed that these Pantsirs were hunted down by Bayraktar drones. I have a couple of questions:

1) how a relatively large, slow flying drone got so close to the SAM system, that was designed to combat exactly this type of targets, undetected? Are they flying so slow, that the Pantsir radar cannot see it (Doppler filter)?

2) have these Pantsirs been blinded by ECM? I've seen comments on the effectiveness of turkish Koral jamming stations, but I find it unlikely, that they put these kind of stations closer than the radio horizon of the radar. Maybe on the country border, but not so deep inside the enemy territory.

If neither 1) or 2) is correct, then what could be the other possibilities for such repeated defeats? Does Pantsir have a fundamental technical weakness that was exploited? Were these SAM crews totally unfit for the job (lazy, stupid, or both)? Or was there some kind of a very smart tactics deployed by adversaries (like swarming with multiple drones, until the Pantsir shoots all its missiles and auto-cannons and the last drone gets through)?.

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/23/20 03:42 AM

Well, it is hard to say without geolocation and data about "Bayraktar" track (sometimes they appeared in flightradar24).

1. there were some critics about the Pantzyrs before in russian net, and speculation that they cannot "see" slow targets.
2. turks could just loiter over the position in the blind zone of the radar,
3. ECM could definitelly be a factor....!
Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/24/20 08:56 PM

Posted By: piston79

Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems - 05/25/20 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jonas85
I have a question for SAM enthusiasts in this forum.

Youtube is full of videos showing the destruction of Pantsir systems in Syria in March and most recently in Lybia. While in some videos the Pantsirs were killed parked near buildings or in transportation, at least couple of them show hits on Pantsir in engagement mode, with a rotating radar or even firing missiles.

Here is one such example:



It has been claimed that these Pantsirs were hunted down by Bayraktar drones. I have a couple of questions:

1) how a relatively large, slow flying drone got so close to the SAM system, that was designed to combat exactly this type of targets, undetected? Are they flying so slow, that the Pantsir radar cannot see it (Doppler filter)?

2) have these Pantsirs been blinded by ECM? I've seen comments on the effectiveness of turkish Koral jamming stations, but I find it unlikely, that they put these kind of stations closer than the radio horizon of the radar. Maybe on the country border, but not so deep inside the enemy territory.

If neither 1) or 2) is correct, then what could be the other possibilities for such repeated defeats? Does Pantsir have a fundamental technical weakness that was exploited? Were these SAM crews totally unfit for the job (lazy, stupid, or both)? Or was there some kind of a very smart tactics deployed by adversaries (like swarming with multiple drones, until the Pantsir shoots all its missiles and auto-cannons and the last drone gets through)?.



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