game freeze in menu

sorry for the confusion, it's because of english

Game freeze between menus. It freezes for a few seconds, or for 30 seconds, totally random.sometimes it works well for a long time, sometimes it freezes.reported by several people.Definitely difficult to diagnose, and fix.
But Skip probably resigned by this error from playing eech.



I have very small mouse pointer in menu.previously
It was probably much bigger.

I update post with screen later. If you can pin threads , I think thread with aeyes apache textures should be pinned.

Thanks. I have seen this sometimes as well. Could you see if it is slow between all menus, or just the map selection and helicopter selection menus?

Could you also add which version of the game you're using and the screen resolution?

1.16.1 but In 1.15 thes it was already. res 1600x900 (resized native in monitor is 1920x1080) between ALL menus .

"Mi8 Cockpit - the user that started this left the forum, and I'm not sure what happened to the model"

tell the truth It's me;) There was a misunderstanding with the ip, and I got banned for nothing.The cockpit is sent to thealx, long time ago, but with him a lot of work, all the indicators.I can not do that. I can not do anything in the scene.
thanks mesyhead for your all work.good to see that there is hope;)

Oh wow! Thats good to know. Could you upload the files you have and I'll take a look? What you had done looked really promising.

Ah Blackshark, you did the MI-8!

This was a real good looking cockpit! I always waited to see it in EECH Allmods, but sadly it never did come.

Now I know the reason. The indicators seem to be really complicated, maybe that's also the reason why there never was a renewed MI-28 pit.

Would be nice to see this all in future, the Blackhawk messyhead had made, your MI-8 and a working MI-28 again.

What happend to the gunner pit of the MI-24? Was it also incompatible with 1.16.0?

Could we continue the Mi8 chat in the thread for that cockpit, and keep this one on topic of the menus issue?

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3870713/mi8-cockpit-wip

O.k. didn't know that it was linked.

What menu issues? I never had any.

Only if you click the o.k. button after choosing a map takes a while, especially for the europe map, but I think that has to do with the loading of files.

The mouse cursor is a bit small I think but the rest works perfectly for me in 1.16.0 Fix1. I only use a resolution of 1366x768 at the moment, cause of my laptop.

It's a Thinkpad SL410 with a sh.... Intel GMA 4500 MHD graphics card and was never imagined as my game machine, but at the moment I haven't another option to test EECH Allmods.

@blackshark, if you are getting this menu issue, could you document when it happens, and what menus you are moving between?

I was on last night, and it was (and has been for some time) slow to go to the Maps menu and then to the helicopter selction. This is it due to loading in the background. That could possibly be improved, but doesn't sound like the issue you are describing. Moving between menus like Options, Pilots etc was quick.

Until I know what menus the problem is with, and if it happens all the time, then it's difficult to know where to look.

For raising bugs, we need to know;

What were you doing when it happened
What had you done just before
Details of the game version, and PC you're using - for example, memory, processor speed (although these probably aren't an issue nowadays), screen resolution, multiple monitors etc.
Provide screenshots and video if possible
Try to run in Debug mode, and provide the Debug log and crash log if it's a CTD
The time from your PC when it happened, to tie it to an event in the Debug log


Without that information, trying to narrow down where the issue might be can be too time consuming.

O.k. I make the start with my system specs at which I'm at the moment could test EECH On:

PC: Thinkpad SL410

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo Extreme X9100 (3,0Ghz)

RAM: 8GB DDR3 PC8500

GPU: Intel GMA 4500 MHD, 384Mb Shared Mem, DirectX10 (max. 1366x768 / no Anti Aliasing Feature)

HDD: 1TB Seagate ST1000LM SATA-III

OS: Windows 7 - 64Bit Professional

No menu issues found until now. Loading after map selection could take up to 20 sec (especially Europe map)
Rest of the menus run very quick.

im 100% sure this is nOT problem reading/loading hdd.

Not when loading campaigns/ textures.(long loading)
just click between options, controls sound skirmish campaign.thats all.
i have 6gb ram and old gt9600 512vram.win7 x64.The game just hangs when the menu is changed.

O.k. have tested it once again.

Only thing which takes really long (correct my declaration above from 20 sec to 35-40 sec) is if you click at the O.K-button after selecting a map. Doesn't matter if free flight or campaign.

But I'm running a VMware with Vista 64 in the background, which is my "Internet-PC". Don't like to be in the web with my main system, it's alot easier to backup a stored VM if something got infected. So my laptop has alot to do in the background while EECH is running.

I think it must be faster in your case, Blackshark. 6GB Ram is more than enough for EECH and your graphics card is much more powerfull than mine. What CPU did you use?

Can you run the debug.exe and attach the debug log file?

If you watch the debug window between menus, you'll see it loads lots of things in the background.

I can but last time I find it very rarely I doubt it will happen now.
viper- athlon 64 x2 5200+

Maybe also a firewall or antivirus which makes those problems. I had such problems with other games in my homepit. They are also responded very slowly under some circumstances.

Since then I used a partition for offline gaming which has no firewall, antivirus and a real admin account with UAC fully deactivated and another only for online gaming with the minimal security options for web. But in the pit nothing really important could be lost.

Edit:

Your CPU is also in the same range as mine. Overall your system is faster. Maybe something I mentioned above or a driver problem, but I don't believe that.

No no, i use pc from ~90 my hardware /software is 100% sure.It is quite possible that there was a problem with the firewall, and comodo fixed them.

I was thinking it might have been related to loading the custom background images. I know it somehow randomly chooses from a selection in a folder. Maybe first time that image is loaded or something.

I'll not look at it too much for now, until it's reported and documented some more.

@Blackshark

Yes the older ones are the better ones . I love my old second "retro system" I made for my pit. It runs Windows 9X and after all was adjusted I never had any problems anymore. Not so with my newer PC's.

The hardware of those days was much more stable if you were able to get it running. If something wasn't possible it mostly was so from just the beginning and not after a half year without touching anything .

the freeze began to appear again.I made movie,that it was not ufo. Is now appear every time when i launch game. very irritating , yes ~2 min freeze every time..I have to check two things tomorrow to be sure if I know the cause.



https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ahch-QtYqXNxI8cZ5IC-pQ6hT12qPFcO/view?usp=sharing

I have the same - Alt+Tab always solve problem.

thanks for info /Maybe this is a clue to find the error. probably it's about something related to the full screen / resolution.I'll do some tests tomorrow, I have a few guesses, we'll see.
what graphic card? I suppose nvidia? you use native resolution, or rescaled to smaller?

alt tab working partially, menu showing up, but i no see mouse and cant choose anything.
Game has VERY BIG problems with alt+tab minimize and back to game, freeze and halt game for ~30 sec. and hdd working hard .The same when change resolution ingame.it takes 30 -60 sec blackscreen. And next must wait 1-2 min for mouse pointer.
im 100% sure that eech has problem with fullscreen ,recognition of resolution or scaling modes.when we use less than native resolution.
Im 100% sure this problem appear when eech migrate to dx9.I've made a movie, it's documented.I know, it does not help much butI can not do anything more.Last year everything works great. 116 and project,and today game is unplayable.nothing change with software and hardware. Other games works normally.

What resolution are you using? Could you run the debug version and post the debug log when it happens?

1600x900 as you.log is clean,nothing.when change menu options campaign skirmish is the same freeze 2 min. Always
Please check how long eech change resolution? Is second,10 sec? 30 sec?

Sad to hear that this issue cause so much troubles. I have no any of them, resolution changing in about 5-6 seconds for me, and no delays when I navigate in the options. It can be hardware compatibly issue, or drivers related (depends on hardware anyway).
Only firebird capable to navigate in rendering code freely. I'm just making simple tweaks and watching what happens, but as I can't experience issue - there is no way I can fix it. Can only recommend to change notnl, fs, eads, 3dreset values one by one and check for positive result.

Thanks for help.when it comes to pc hardware and software, I am a very experienced user and all the time trying to find some regularity.for now without success.I can not understand why the year works, and suddenly ceases to work, for no reason. it does not make sense on logic.

When the pause happens, does the screen image load, but it just takes time for the text to appear? I'm thinking it might have something to do with loading the fonts from your system?

Hmmm is possible. But exit in left corner is always. Only right menu. From whst i remember thealx doing something with fonts. But this make sense.

Bugfix :Russian translation and fonts issues
Unreadable axis names at controls config page (localized drivers)

it's firebird's code. now game not just load font but pre-render characters as I can understand, because of that initialization takes several seconds longer. not sure it can create issues above but it may be possible.

imo there 2 problems :
With change resolution. This exist in 1.14 , maybe even earlier.

And with game freeze in menu, its appear between 1.15 and 116 exactly when those changes with fonts were introduced.I know that the fonts are loaded on an earlier screen.but maybe these changes somehow do not work properly in specific languages?

please try this EXE https://drive.google.com/open?id=15tU2nitLEnwGSyyJw0r1zQRBgEu6lYQi
it doesn't disable all font-related improvements, but still can bring some result

i run ~15 times . 13 times run good, normal appear menu. 2 times 30 sec freeze. and when click option menu i have many times ~10 sec freeze for wait selected settings parametres. letters description are immediately.it looks like a good direction, but it can also be so that today it works well.at this moment is much better
thanks appreciate.

~30 starts . 20 run good, but ~10 times 10- 30 sec freeze completely random it looks.but yesterday 30 times freeze was always.it's hard to say whether it's this or not.

2 last weeks i run ~50 times this game,while checking out new things I'm doing.
On 90% im sure that freeze is somehow related to fonts.normal exe suspends for a very long time.always.
with your exe freeze is not, or they are much shorter.it works very strangely, completely randomly.but less freeze is on your test version

and probably the definitive confirmation

that's interesting, as fonts in "/cohokum" folder now

since the last post I started eech ~100 times.not even one freeze was there. I did not change anything in the computer's configuration.I use the nofonts version all the time.

after many tests freeze causes disabled vsync.with off on the nvidia panel vsync-2d menu always freeze.ALWAYS.
When i enable vsynch in the envidia panel- game working good , no any freeze.I'm sure because I've checked it for several months.