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Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress]

Posted By: arneh

Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 05:58 PM

As many of you know, I'm currently working on a completely new cockpit for the Mi-24V "Hind". And while it's still early and a lot of work to be done I'll give you a little peak at what it looks like currently. But as mentioned, if won't be finished for a long time yet. There are lots of things still missing, and what is there still is going to see more details.

I'll post updates as more is finished.









Posted By: Lepus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 06:01 PM

Awesome \:\)

Looking foreward to it.
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 06:51 PM

WOW!!
Posted By: ukSleek

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 07:05 PM

OMG!! Look's amazing!! Superb!!
Posted By: HawkI

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 07:10 PM

Splendid work
Posted By: Mapi

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 07:26 PM

man - that looks better than the Apache ... WTG
Posted By: WASP

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 08:23 PM

Great stuff Arneh!
Posted By: Devas

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 08:57 PM

OMG!!!!!! This is really impressive, you are THE MAN!!! arneh If you come to Argentina I pay for the beers
Posted By: ricnunes

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 09:05 PM

AWESOME!!
That's a dream come true!
Posted By: AlastairF

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 09:06 PM

Gentlemen I have been Away from EECH for sometime. As ever every time I revisit this sim and this forum I am awestruck by the quality of the work that you all do , Hats off to Arneh though , you have taken this program to a new level .

Best Regards

Alastair
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 09:30 PM

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Honest ...if/when that pit is released I will be the first to DL it ! ! ! ... \:D

Black Shark will find it hard to get my attention after the HIND pit. EECH IS The Best Game Ever ! ! !


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Posted By: ECV56_PolTen

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/25/08 09:52 PM

Arneh, I'm your biggest fan \:D
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 04:51 AM



Words do not describe the beauty I have just witnessed. I'm at a loss for words.


You... ROCK dude! \:\)
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 06:19 AM

Posted By: Colonel_Kurtz

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 08:21 AM

Amazing work as always. If you keep this up this sim will never die, its fast becoming the IL2 for Rotor heads \:\)
Posted By: AD

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 09:06 AM

Excellent work! There's already a lot of detail in there.

Cheers
Posted By: Butterfly

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 09:32 AM

Look’s amazing (as always) splendid work!
Posted By: Heretic

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 02:15 PM

[Borat]
Niiiiiice!
[/Borat]

\:D
Posted By: shoogar

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 02:22 PM

Looks really good!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 03:20 PM

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Someone in the ArmA forum was talking about ArmA II and it's helicopters. It made me think ... Will we be able to embark and disembark troops from this HIND arneh? After All, the HIND was designed w/ troop transport being a considerable aspect of it's design. Perhaps you thought about keeping the HIND in it's insertion role in the game?

By no means am I trying to say that I don't appreciate your effort. If we can't get troops in the HIND then you'll hear nothing from me but appreciation either way. I was just curious.

THANX


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Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 03:38 PM

Troops already work for insertion missions with the Hind or Blackhawk.

See http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/index.php?title=Insertions_tips#Tips_for_insertion_missions
Posted By: SimFan

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 03:41 PM

OH NOOOO HE DID IT AGAIN.
Forget Barack, Clinton and Mc Cain ... ARNEH FOR PRESIDENT: best commander-in-chief around \:\) !
Posted By: Heinzi

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 04:42 PM

This looks great.
Terrific work arneh!
Posted By: Lemon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 05:46 PM

Do you intend to functionally model all of gauges?

The modeling and texture work looks fantastic \:\)
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 06:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: Lemon
Do you intend to functionally model all of gauges?


All that show something which is modelled in EECH at least. But EECH doesn't model everything, like "anti-ice ammeter", so those won't show anything useful.
Posted By: LazerPotatoe

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/26/08 10:30 PM


Great work as usual arneh!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/27/08 11:47 PM

Added the "snakes nest" of cables on top of the window frame/RWR:




Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 08:15 AM

WoW Arneh looks amazing!! Can't wait for this one!!

Those images looks lke Afghanistan, wich terrain is??
Anyone know If is possible somehow to erase the "modern" choppers of a campaign? You know Apaches, Comanches, Hokums, Havocs... so we have only the Hind, the Cobra and the transport choppers?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 09:26 AM

 Originally Posted By: Stratos
Those images looks lke Afghanistan, wich terrain is??


It's Yemen, and yes it does look somewhat like Afghanistan. Particulary when you put an old Hind there \:\)

 Quote:
Anyone know If is possible somehow to erase the "modern" choppers of a campaign? You know Apaches, Comanches, Hokums, Havocs... so we have only the Hind, the Cobra and the transport choppers?


Yes, you can change the formcomp.dat file. Search the forum.
Posted By: AD

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 09:52 AM

Superb work once again Arneh. I can't wait to see it with the full range of hardware blocking the view. By the way, talking of forward instruments, I found this excellent photo of the gunsight in the CP/G cockpit. Hope it helps.
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 10:54 AM

Wow... the pit is really impressive, arneh!
Any chance you'll be adding in there a small fan seen on many pics? \:\)
Posted By: shoogar

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 10:57 AM

 Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper
Any chance you'll be adding in there a small fan seen on many pics? \:\)


Exactly what I thought ! \:\)
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 11:02 AM

 Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper
Any chance you'll be adding in there a small fan seen on many pics? \:\)


Of course!
As mentioned in the first post, there is lots still missing.
Posted By: goon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 11:54 AM

Amazing!
Posted By: Lemon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/28/08 01:28 PM

I'll look forward to seeing you add "anti ice" modeling to ECCH ;\)

Superb work as always Arneh
Posted By: DawgMan

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/30/08 05:59 AM

WOW! If this is up there with the AH-64D you did, you just might see me flying one of those Red helicopters for the first time.
Top Notch work there Arneh! You Rock!
Posted By: Buren

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/30/08 07:53 PM

Keep on rollin' baby! \:D
Posted By: nated289

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/30/08 10:41 PM

Thats Crazy anytime your planning to make a blackhawk cockpit?
Posted By: GCsDriver

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/03/08 10:29 AM

This is such an outstanding beauty I squirted all over my table... what a mess \:D
Thanx to arneh the mother of all gunships now gets what she deserves.
Posted By: itsme

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/05/08 08:14 PM

How much of this excellent mod-stuff can my brain take after just returning to this awesome sim after a long absence?!

And to boot: Finally we seem to be getting the opportunity of putting Di-Hind definitely out of our minds If only a Sovjet-Union against Mujahideen resistance campaign would follow...
uhhh...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_aircraft_crashes_in_Afghanistan

Way2GO Arneh
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/05/08 09:03 PM

Very nice! Just one question, will you also be making the gunner's pit? Wait, I lied I have two.
Can you fly from the gunner's seat in EECH? I only use the pilot's seat to orient myself in DI's Hind, and have grown to love the gunner's seat.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/05/08 10:31 PM

 Originally Posted By: Reaper51
will you also be making the gunner's pit?


Not initially. But probably later.

 Quote:
Can you fly from the gunner's seat in EECH?


Yes, you can fly from the gunner's cockpit for those helicopters where it is modelled (Apache, Comanche and Ka-52).
Posted By: Reticuli

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/06/08 06:06 AM

Maybe we should create one big paypal account and donate money to go towards Arneh getting helo flight lessons. For selfish reasons, of course, then he might start modding the flight dynamics further after he's done giving us these amazing cockpits ;-P
Posted By: Izgud

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/06/08 05:19 PM

Cant wait to play with this baby... looks very nice
Posted By: itsme

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/07/08 12:45 PM

 Originally Posted By: Reticuli
Maybe we should create one big paypal account and donate money to go towards Arneh getting helo flight lessons.


Right, in a Hind ?
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/08/08 04:39 PM

In Mi-6 ;\) 40 tons of pure chopper
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/09/08 12:33 PM

Can't believe I missed this,
Arneh I love you in that platonic man to man helicopter flying way.
Posted By: FireBird_[WINE]

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/11/08 09:47 PM

Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/13/08 09:17 PM

I know you're working on the suspension, but can we see a new pic of the cockpit?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/13/08 09:32 PM

I haven't done any work on it since the last screenshot, so it looks the same.

But you can see a little of the cockpit in the suspension video.
Posted By: The Red Wolf

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/14/08 12:44 AM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
I haven't done any work on it since the last screenshot, so it looks the same.

But you can see a little of the cockpit in the suspension video.


Your such a tease Arneh.....keeep up the good work.

Wolf out
Posted By: tonis

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/14/08 06:20 PM

GREAT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Gremlin

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/14/08 09:00 PM

WOW... that cockpit looks absolutely amazing!

Would be fantastic if you got even half those dials working \:\)
Plus with the suspension modelling it would be awesome to fly.

Looking forward to it!
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/15/08 12:21 PM

Will the MFD work?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/15/08 12:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: Reaper51
Will the MFD work?


The Mi-24V doesn't have any MFDs.

It does has a moving map, and that will work.
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/15/08 03:06 PM

Possible to see a small video of looking around please?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/15/08 04:05 PM

 Originally Posted By: Stratos
Possible to see a small video of looking around please?


Wouldn't be very interesting, as only the front part is in any way done.
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/16/08 07:05 AM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
The Mi-24V doesn't have any MFDs.

Uh.. how should we aim missiles then? Or this version will be rockets-only?
Any plans for bombs?
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/16/08 07:40 AM

Hope to get the Gun pods too
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/16/08 08:08 AM

 Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper
 Originally Posted By: arneh
The Mi-24V doesn't have any MFDs.

Uh.. how should we aim missiles then?


The co-pilot has an ORT-like sight, so if you want a close look at what you're shooting at that's what you have to use.
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/16/08 11:32 AM

Does this mean you're going to give the gunner a temp pit? Or is this for future reference?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/16/08 11:45 AM

 Originally Posted By: Reaper51
Does this mean you're going to give the gunner a temp pit? Or is this for future reference?


Plan is to have only pilot's cockpit and a fullscreen ORT-like view.

Then co-pilot's cockpit sometime later. The co-pilot's cockpit doesn't have any displays either, so you cannot see the target without using the fullscreen ORT-like view there either.

Admittedly the pilot cannot use the ORT-like sight in the real Mi-24, but I'll allow that given the limitations of only being one person flying a two-man helicopter, and since there won't be any co-pilot's cockpit initially.
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/18/08 09:39 AM

What will F4 do? Will you keep the enlarged HUD view? I've grown to like that while using rockets since I don't have track IR.
Posted By: Avimimus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/20/08 03:36 AM

Now all we need is mujahideen... Thanks Arneh
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/20/08 11:49 AM

Yah, the mujahideen would be nice. Of course, there should be more than DI's campaign, it was too empty with just infantry. They should have trucks or something similar. While we're wishing, cannon pods would be great to have too! Bombs and KMG-2 mine pods would also be nice, but I think that's asking too much, as cannon pods are already in EECH.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/22/08 10:24 AM

You guys want Afgan stile campaign. Check this video! Maybe it will be useful Mi-24 Real Fight (Tajiikistan)
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/25/08 11:23 AM

Arneh, any new pic you can show?
Posted By: JayPee

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 04/26/08 12:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: Reaper51
Yah, the mujahideen would be nice. Of course, there should be more than DI's campaign, it was too empty with just infantry. They should have trucks or something similar. While we're wishing, cannon pods would be great to have too! Bombs and KMG-2 mine pods would also be nice, but I think that's asking too much, as cannon pods are already in EECH.

500 lbs fuel air bombs! \:D
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/04/08 08:26 AM

Any update here, arneh? \:\)
Posted By: AlphaOneSix

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/04/08 01:37 PM

I have a sneaky suspicion that when he has an update, we'll see it. I don't think he will just finish the whole thing and think "Gosh! I forgot to post to SimHQ regarding my progress!"
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/04/08 01:53 PM

 Originally Posted By: AlphaOneSix
I have a sneaky suspicion that when he has an update, we'll see it. I don't think he will just finish the whole thing and think "Gosh! I forgot to post to SimHQ regarding my progress!"


That's an accurate assessment \:\)

I haven't been able to do much for the last few weeks, although I have started up again now. And what have been done are just disconnected and untextured parts, so not much to show off.

I'll post when I have something to show.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/12/08 06:17 PM

A little update on the Heads Up Display I've been working on lately. A lot of the changes are in the code, but I have made a 3D-model for the HUD as well.



The collimation effect has been improved compared to the previous helos as well. Now it stays the same size no matter the distance to the HUD. So it doesn't help to lean closer, it stays the size no matter what (but you can still zoom (i.e. change field of view) if you want it to be bigger).


The Mi-24's HUD is really primitive compared to most other aircraft. It contains just targeting and aiming information. No airspeed, altitude or other useful information. For those who have tried the Su-25 (non T-version) in Lock-On it uses a variant of the same HUD, so that's about the level of information it provides. Except that the Su-25 has a laser, while the Mi-24 doesn't so range is less accurate. Will be a challenge to use effectively \:\)




The reflection along the top of the HUD glass is a little cool effect. It changes as you manouver \:\)

Posted By: Devas

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/12/08 06:46 PM

OMG!!!! excellent work arneh !!!!!! I hope impatient output this big Russian
Posted By: DrStrangePool

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/12/08 07:14 PM

WOW!

Arneh, excellent work!!! I'm looking forward to this!


ps: Just want to say that I'm happy with your other work too, actually, more than happy :P. I left firefox a long time ago, Opera is much better!
Posted By: Malleus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/12/08 07:15 PM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
The Mi-24's HUD is really primitive compared to most other aircraft. It contains just targeting and aiming information. No airspeed, altitude or other useful information. For those who have tried the Su-25 (non T-version) in Lock-On it uses a variant of the same HUD, so that's about the level of information it provides.


Huh? So the HUD setup in DI's Hind was fantasy?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/12/08 07:41 PM

 Originally Posted By: Malleus
Huh? So the HUD setup in DI's Hind was fantasy?


For the Hind, yes, it doesn't have a HUD anything like that.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/12/08 09:34 PM

Beautiful!
Posted By: Brennus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/12/08 10:25 PM



Posted By: Tron

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 04:30 AM

Arneh, your work is awesome! The instruments look very realistic, but I have a general question: why did you choose to model this relatively dated model of Hind 24 rather than its newer derivatives like Mi35m. I saw this new machine on You Tube and found it to be much more modern looking with MFD's and just about everything else imaginable. You can see it by following the link below with Mi35m instrumentation featured in the last third of the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ22LDBb15Q&feature=related

Also, I've been away from this forum for a while... If you have moved on to Hind 24, does that mean you have already completed the 3D cockpit of Ka-52 Alligator and I missed it?

Finally, I noticed another thread on this forum regarding recoding the Apache 3D cockpit you made earlier, I am unclear as to how this is supposed to be better than your version and where we can download the latest versions of all 3D cockpits completed to date?
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 07:18 AM

I believe arneh has picked this vesion of Hind as this is the one that originally exists in EECH. And hasn't Ka-52 already got stock 3D pit?

arneh, are you planning some reworking of the external lod of the Hind and designing the big cannon version? \:\)
Posted By: Dirk98

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 07:27 AM

Brilliant, Arneh!
Posted By: Reticuli

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 07:57 AM

Amazing.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 08:11 AM

 Originally Posted By: Tron
why did you choose to model this relatively dated model of Hind 24 rather than its newer derivatives like Mi35m.


Many reasons. The Mi-24V is the one already in EECH, so doesn't need a new 3D-model. I have a lot of data about the Mi-24V, but hardly any about the new models. A few youtube videos isn't enough to model it. And there is so many new models that it's hard to choose which one, and even harder to find information about the specific model, since it's very easy to confuse with all the other new variants. The Mi-24V is the most widely produced and still most widely used Hind-variant. I don't think any of the upgraded models are in service yet. The Mi-24V is used all over the world, and has been involved in pretty much any conflict for the last 30 years, which makes it excellent for those who want to make historic scenarios. It's a legend \:\)

Besides it should be a fun challenge flying something so primitive compared to the new helicopters. For those who think EECH is too easy, try doing a SEAD strike with an Mi-24V and its 70s Soviet avionics \:\)

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If you have moved on to Hind 24, does that mean you have already completed the 3D cockpit of Ka-52 Alligator and I missed it?


The Ka-52 already has a 3D-cockpit from the start.

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I noticed another thread on this forum regarding recoding the Apache 3D cockpit you made earlier, I am unclear as to how this is supposed to be better than your version


It isn't better, it's the same. But only the new version will work after the next exe.

 Quote:
where we can download the latest versions of all 3D cockpits completed to date?


There is only one, the Apache-cockpit. So if you've found it then you have all.

 Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper
are you planning some reworking of the external lod of the Hind and designing the big cannon version? \:\)


No.
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 11:04 AM

Amazing Arneh!! Congrats!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 07:18 PM

Here is the backup sight:


It is purely a reflector sight, when everything else fails.
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 08:07 PM

Oh... Pretty!
Can/Do we have a similar backup for Ka-50/52?
Posted By: ukSleek

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/13/08 08:35 PM

Amazing work! (as usuall) arneh.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/14/08 09:22 AM

 Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper
Can/Do we have a similar backup for Ka-50/52?


It's not on my plans.
Posted By: firefox121

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/16/08 03:53 PM

only two words ......... IN CREDIBLE
well, noly two words more ..... IM PRESSIVE
Posted By: Torquatus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/18/08 01:41 AM

Great work, Arneh!

Good to see you have got the collimation effect implemented for those of us who use 6DOF. The mesh looks brilliant \:\)

Torquatus
Posted By: Dirk98

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/18/08 07:48 AM

Torquatus, do you use 6DOF with the current exe? Is the new Apache cockpit compliant with 6DOF? I'm still using Yaw and Pitch options in TIR only?

Thanks.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/18/08 08:46 AM

 Originally Posted By: Dirk98
Is the new Apache cockpit compliant with 6DOF?


Yes, it is. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_9Nnl55r08

Most of the main cockpits do support 6Dof. And the HUDs of the Ka-52 and Mi-28 already does have collimation effect, but it does get bigger when you move closer, unlike the new Hind one.
Posted By: Dirk98

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/18/08 09:39 AM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
 Originally Posted By: Dirk98
Is the new Apache cockpit compliant with 6DOF?


Yes, it is. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_9Nnl55r08

Most of the main cockpits do support 6Dof. And the HUDs of the Ka-52 and Mi-28 already does have collimation effect, but it does get bigger when you move closer, unlike the new Hind one.


Thanks, Arneh. So I'll just turn it on in the TrackIR setup, that'll be enough?

You're right,of course, the proper collimator sight gfx should contract when you move your POV closer to the HUD and expand when you back up. I guess this is the hardest part to code.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/18/08 09:52 AM

 Originally Posted By: Dirk98
So I'll just turn it on in the TrackIR setup, that'll be enough?


Turn on the TIR_6DOF setting in eech.ini as well.

 Quote:
You're right,of course, the proper collimator sight gfx should contract when you move your POV closer to the HUD and expand when you back up. I guess this is the hardest part to code.


Not really once I figured out a way to do it \:\) And it makes some other things easier. Like calculating angles for the HUD, e.g. when drawing a target marker or weapons drop. Now that it's always the same size the same number of pixels will be the same angle no matter the distance to the HUD. Previously I had to recalculate angles to HUD pixels depending on the distance to the HUD.
Posted By: Dirk98

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/18/08 10:26 AM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
Not really once I figured out a way to do it \:\) And it makes some other things easier. Like calculating angles for the HUD, e.g. when drawing a target marker or weapons drop. Now that it's always the same size the same number of pixels will be the same angle no matter the distance to the HUD. Previously I had to recalculate angles to HUD pixels depending on the distance to the HUD.


Hehe, congratulations, arneh. This is important. I hope they'd figure out how to code THIS PARTICULAR part it in the other games as well (BOB2,F4). Affects accuracy of sighting/aiming in 6DOF. :))
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/25/08 07:51 PM

Just a small update. But still a bit significant as it's the first working instrument (apart from the HUD and map). A magnetic compass:




Forward view is starting to get cluttered. And it's only going to get worse!
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/25/08 08:46 PM

This compass is so... magnetic.
Posted By: amalahama

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/25/08 10:22 PM

Arneh, have you plans to made the SPO-15 "Beryoza" functional as well?

Regards!!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/25/08 10:44 PM

 Originally Posted By: amalahama
have you plans to made the SPO-15 "Beryoza" functional as well?


Yes, and all the other instruments which are modelled in EECH.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 05/26/08 01:49 AM

I want to reach out and touch that ground.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/06/08 09:40 PM

Please please is there any progress arneh
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/07/08 02:32 AM

 Originally Posted By: pilot111
Please please is there any progress arneh


yes.
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/07/08 04:52 AM

Laconic.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/08/08 12:56 PM

thanks \:D
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/08/08 09:21 PM

I've worked on the map lately. The Hind doesn't have any advanced digital maps, like the modern helicopters. Just good, old-fashioned paper-maps. So no rotation or zooming or automatic addition of targets. But it does scroll, and I'll assume the pilot drew the waypoints on the map before the mission started, so you'll have the waypoints as well. But that's about it \:\)

On the other hand, the map is more detailed than what the other helicopters have. To help in navigation it does include town and airport names, and grid lines and coordinates.




With the map, this is what the cockpit looks like now:
Posted By: amalahama

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/08/08 09:50 PM

Great!!! Are you simulating the inertial drift??

Regards!!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/08/08 10:15 PM

 Originally Posted By: amalahama
Are you simulating the inertial drift?


No.
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/09/08 01:09 PM

Arneh you are a god.. really. How long did it take you to get the basic pit modeled and how did you work out the correct size of the panels?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/09/08 02:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: XabbaRus
How long did it take you to get the basic pit modeled


I'm not done with the basic modelling yet. Only the front and part of the sides are in place yet, still lots of the cockpit missing.

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how did you work out the correct size of the panels?


I have some diagrams which show the cockpit layout, so I use those to get a relative size of all the panels. And I use a diagram of the external to get the overall size of the cockpit.

Apart from that it's mostly studying pictures from all sorts of angles and comparing to something I know the size of.

Would have loved to have actual blueprints for the cockpit, but unfortunately I don't.
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/09/08 09:22 PM

Yea, sure we could find some Russian willing to sell.

Pity no one here knows of a museum with a Hind in it. I could go to Monino when I go to Moscow in August but I don't think they would like it if I whipped out my tape measure and notebook.

Certainly very impressive and look forward to its release.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/10/08 08:01 AM

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Amazing Man ! ! keep up the good work. You are the reason this sim is so good. It really needs to be re visited by the gaming mags and publcations across the boards. Thanx. Can't wait to get my hands on that pit. It's the one helicopter that pit that I've been really waiting for.

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Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/10/08 10:00 AM

Amazing one Arneh!! Can't wait
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/10/08 11:16 AM

Wow, it's looking really good! Keep up the great work!
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/10/08 02:33 PM

arneh, have you got 'Mi-24 V, P in Detail' book? No blueprints there but numerous colour pics of same pits from different angles.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/10/08 02:59 PM

 Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper
arneh, have you got 'Mi-24 V, P in Detail' book? No blueprints there but numerous colour pics of same pits from different angles.


Yes, I do. Although I still find pictures I've found on the internet to be more useful in general. The book does have some nice picture of Hinds under construction which shows some details you normally can't see. And a few nice drawings of some details.

In particular http://www.freeweb.hu/hunavia/TYPE/Mi-24/Mi-24_base_index.htm has a lot of high-resolution cockpit shots from many angles. I use them a lot \:\)
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/10/08 08:21 PM

Can't believe it we have an Apache with good 3D cockpit and now the Hind...I wonder what will be next....
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/11/08 03:34 AM

There are still tons of instruments to code ;\)
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/11/08 05:35 AM

 Originally Posted By: XabbaRus
Can't believe it we have an Apache with good 3D cockpit and now the Hind...I wonder what will be next....


Maybe Ka-50 cockpit
Posted By: ijozic

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/11/08 11:32 AM

 Originally Posted By: XabbaRus
Pity no one here knows of a museum with a Hind in it. I could go to Monino when I go to Moscow in August but I don't think they would like it if I whipped out my tape measure and notebook.


There's a Hind in the museum in Brussels. I think that's somewhat closer than Moscow to most people.

http://www.airmuseum.be/aircraftondisplay/images/hind.jpg
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/11/08 02:29 PM

But can you sit in the cockpit?
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/12/08 11:45 AM

This is my first post on the forum, so i'd like to say 'hello' to all users \:\)

Arneh, you are doing a great job with this Mi-24, the cockpit looks amazing. I'd like to ask, is there any availability to add Hind to the 'Blue force' side? Since 1999 many counties from the former 'Warsaw Pact' joined NATO, so Mi-24 became then one of the helicopters in NATO service. I think it would be cool to fly Hind allso for the 'Blue force', espacially for the pilots from such countries like Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary etc. Of course only if it wouldn't be a big problem to make Hind available for both conflict sides.
Oh, and one another question - do you plan to make working wipers for this cockpit?

P.S.: Your Apache cockpit is super \:D
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/12/08 12:00 PM

 Originally Posted By: RoGaL
I'd like to ask, is there any availability to add Hind to the 'Blue force' side?


You could try exchanging some blackhawks for Mi-24s in the FORMCOMP.DAT files. I think that will work, but haven't tried myself.

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do you plan to make working wipers for this cockpit?


I hope so.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/12/08 02:40 PM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
You could try exchanging some blackhawks for Mi-24s in the FORMCOMP.DAT files. I think that will work, but haven't tried myself.


Thanks for reply, I'll try to do so. Do you think that after this my EECH will be compatibile with other 1.10.2 EECH versions in multiplayer?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/12/08 02:44 PM

 Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Thanks for reply, I'll try to do so. Do you think that after this my EECH will be compatibile with other 1.10.2 EECH versions in multiplayer?


If it is compatible now then it should continue to be so. If it isn't then this change isn't going to make it compatible.

In multiplayer the server's FORMCOMP.DAT file is the one which is used, so it doesn't matter what the clients use, or if they are different.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/12/08 06:07 PM

Thanks alot Arneh, it works \:\)

BTW Maybe someone knows which texture file is used for Hind's fuselage, and is there any way to make polish signs for Blue side Hinds?
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/13/08 05:50 AM

Well, inside ...\cohokum\graphics\textures\camo i found "RED_STAR_64X64.dds" and "RUSSIANSTAR_64X64.dds", inside ...\cohokum\graphics\textures\general i found "US_NAVY.dds" and "US_NAVY-W.dds", now, the first two appears to be all the marking the red forces vehicles use, because i have founf copies inside the ...\cohokum\graphics\textures\terrain\[map] folders, so i guess those two are for red, i have not been able to find one that does the same for blue forces, but i think that the hinds must use those textures aniway, so maybe you will not be able to use both red and blue vehicles in a polish map?.

*UPDATE*
I found that "US_AIR_FORCE_50.dds", "STARBAR_50.dds", "STARNAVY_50.dds", "HARR_MARINES_50.dds" and "_AH64_UNITED_128X16-W.dds" are for us vehicles too, and i suspect that "AH1_ENGINE_SYMBOL.dds", "AH1_MARINES.dds", "AH1_MARINESR.dds", "AH64_DANGER.dds", "AH64_NO_STEP.dds", "AH64_NO_STEP-W.dds"... in fact, descriptive textures mean something to those vehicles, but aparently not all vehicles has individual textures, so most probably you have vehicles that share the same texture.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/13/08 06:02 AM

Now for your specific question, i would try with "HAV CAMO4", "HELIX_CAM_02", "HOKUM CAM" or "KA52_CAMO" (all variants), one of those must be the one, also, "HIP_WHEEL" (all variants) must be the wheel.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/13/08 09:47 AM

So it looks like I have to copy originall Hind 3D model and change (with a hex editor) some assignments about textures and nationality signs, if I want to have polish Hind for the blue force, and keep other red choppers unchanged. Is it possible? If it is, where can I find Hind's 3D model (or any other file responsible for covering this helo with rextures)? I've looked thorough my aphavoc, cohokum and common folders and found nothing except Hind.dyn which is apparently a flight dynamics file \:\( Did I miss something or are those things being controlled by main cohokum.exe application?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/13/08 10:20 AM

Don't know if the same model can have different textures for different sides as there are no models like which are used by both sides currently (closest is AH-1W for US and AH-1J for Iran, but those are different models). So would possibly need exe changes for that.

If you want to look at the models have a look at http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/index.php?title=3D_modeling#Exporting which explains how you can export the 3D-models of EECH, and import them again after making changes. But as I said, even if you do create a new model, getting EECH to use it may require exe-changes.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/13/08 10:49 PM

Ok. I've repainted Hind a bit. The nationality insignia are RED_STAR_64X64.dds and RUSSIANSTAR_64X64.dds, aswell as RED_STAR_64X64-W.dds and RUSSIANSTAR_64X64-W.dds, but those, that are located in cohokum/graphics/textures/terrain/terrain folder (i.eg. Cuba Georgia etc.), I guess, that those in cohokum/graphics/textures/camo folder are used only for ground and naval vehicles. The texture responsible for fuselage camo is HOKUM CAM.bmp. The biggest problem was with the bottom camouflage texture. I've tried HELIX CAM, and other that looked similar, but with no effect. After I've opened DEBUG.txt, I found out that texture I need is HIP_UNDER_MK1.bmp. I've been looking for it, but I found nothing. That confused me a bit, but I've made new texture named as the one I look for, put it into camo folder, and that worked \:D . However it is strange to me, that this texture was not existing before, but it was used by the game (maybe cohokum.exe was writing it temporarly during each startup, but I'm not sure of that).

EDIT:
That's how it looks:
Posted By: GCsDriver

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/17/08 08:14 AM

Nice one.
All original textures are stored in a compressed file, only the modded ones show up in the folder structure. There`s a tool to extract the original ones, btw. Also the Hind is perfect as a first model to be retextured as the textures are perfectly mapped. Unfortunately most other helis have an offset of some degrees to their texture mapping resulting in misaligned looks...
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/17/08 09:43 AM

Nicely Polished
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/18/08 02:52 PM

Thanks for Your opinion \:D .
Is there any way to change Hinds payload capabilities in EECH? In the game it can carry only up to 4 Spirals and 4 containers of unguided missiles. In real it can carry optionally up to 8 Spirals, 2 UPK-23-250 (GSh-23L canon containers), 2 bombs, unguided missiles, 4 Aphid air to air missiles (I'm not sure of that) and some more. So wide range of armament opportunities gives Hind possibility to perform different types of missions, so I think that it would be nice to have this possibility allso in the game. But I don't know how to make it. \:\(

BTW: Does EECH support Force Feedback? I've bought some days ago joystick with vibration possibilities (still not FF, but better this than nothing). It works well on some other games I've played, but not in EECH, so I wonder is there no FF support or maybe I haven't configured anything properly?
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/18/08 11:22 PM

WOW man, it looks REALLY good!, did you had any problems with the formations by putting the Mi-24V's in blue?(i mean if ALL the hinds were polish, or just blue hinds).
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/18/08 11:27 PM

Ahh, by the way, you can not change payload as that for now, i was able to swap some weapons in the past but not anymore, you can however change the payload completly, but it will have some issues (like, if you put a payload with some kind of canon on a helo that does not have that canon, or rockets/missiles on a helo with no pylons), i have been playing aroun with the source code, teorically you can add a new interface to directly edit payloads (i have been working on something like that, implemented in the payload screen and replacing all functions with new ones), but i have troubles, i can not compile, so all my work has never been tested, i did however learned a lot about programming in C :P.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/19/08 12:38 PM

Thanks Alemart.

As for Your question about Hind - unfortunatelly that's the main disadvantage of mine "mod" (or however You'd like to call it), that not only Hinds, but all soviet helicopters are getting polish signs. It's because they're sharing same sign texture. Furthermore all Hinds having this green fuselage texture. It doesn't seem to be a problem (at least I think so) when You flying on the blue side, when You have shoot soviet aircrafts down instead of staring at them, but if someone is flying on the red side it may be annoying for him. Thats why I've made allso reinstalation pack, which restores all changes. I cheked it on my copy of EECH and it works well. Having both instalation and deinstalation files allows You to manage this mod and have polish Hinds or propper soviet textures whenever you wish to. Now I'm thinking, is there any sense to host it somewhere, so EECH community would be able to use it. I'm allso thinking about making textures for some other NATO Hind users (i.eg. Czech Republic, Hungary etc., maybe allso Ukraine).
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/19/08 01:52 PM

[img] http://www.bgspotters.net/pictures/pic.php?subm=3&oprt=2&form_PicId=16260[/img]
[img] http://www.bgspotters.net/pictures/pic.php?subm=3&oprt=2&form_PicId=16263[/img]
[img] http://www.bgspotters.net/pictures/pic.php?subm=3&oprt=2&form_PicId=16262[/img]
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/19/08 02:46 PM

WOW!
pilot, those are some awesome pics!

And that paper map in action looks so nice \:\)
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/19/08 07:46 PM

 Originally Posted By: Alemart
but i have troubles, i can not compile, so all my work has never been tested, i did however learned a lot about programming in C


It's not so hard to get EECH to compile, so if you describe what problems you have compiling (send me a PM) I'm sure it's solvable.
Have you seen http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/index.php?title=Development ?
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/20/08 02:40 AM

Well thank you very much ^_^, but i am not sure, i installed the DXSDK and "OpenWATCOM", but i could not get anithing from that developers site, also, i had problems with the DXSDK, so i uninstalled everithing but the source code, after that, i have been working with the help of some C programming manuals i get at my local bookstore and the latests source code, still, i had to replace large parts of the weapons management and write new portions, i used as much previous code as i could, the worst is the fact that i had to get all the weapons variables, the newly implemented ballistic stuff was very helpful.
What i am trying to do is, to give every vehicle a value for it's pylons, so, in the loadout screen you have all the weapons available that could fit on the craft, of course limited by realism and country (that could be extended to an even much finer selection), it made it so it interacts with another file (that is not available yet) in that way, you can add weapons and vehicle data.
The chaff, flare, cannon and ejector seats were not touched, but i did add ejection seats to many vehicles, still, i think that will need refinements and maybe visual fixes (i am not sure).
Note that all this WAS NEVER tested, i try my best and aparetly it is OK, but it will surely need a LOT of debugging, note also that i am making this in my spare time "spare time", that is, when i am not flying on FSX or EECH.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/20/08 08:17 AM

 Originally Posted By: Alemart
i could not get anithing from that developers site


It is a bit slow to respond sometimes. Retry and it should eventually respond.


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What i am trying to do is, to give every vehicle a value for it's pylons, so, in the loadout screen you have all the weapons available that could fit on the craft, of course limited by realism and country (that could be extended to an even much finer selection), it made it so it interacts with another file (that is not available yet) in that way, you can add weapons and vehicle data.



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Note that all this WAS NEVER tested, i try my best and aparetly it is OK, but it will surely need a LOT of debugging, note also that i am making this in my spare time "spare time", that is, when i am not flying on FSX or EECH.


We're all working on this in our spare time \:\)
But if you never compiled it, then it's almost certainly full of bugs and problems. I've never seen a program that didn't compile which didn't also have other problems. Sorry if I doubt your skills to write error free programs :P But no one does that.
So you should try to get it compiling so you can test it and see what works and what doesn't.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/21/08 01:13 AM

Of course, what i was trying to express is the fact that, it is certainly bugged :P.
Thanks for the support, i will try to get to the dev's site.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/24/08 10:47 AM

Arneh with my uncle will take one test on the cockpit when is ready. He is a pilot to Mi 24
Here is my man image The inscription read: the first grade aviator captain Georgi Georgiev. I am proud whit him. If he can help whit something will be very happy because he like EECH
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/25/08 10:55 AM

 Originally Posted By: pilot111
Arneh with my uncle will take one test on the cockpit when is ready. He is a pilot to Mi 24
Here is my man image The inscription read: the first grade aviator captain Georgi Georgiev. I am proud whit him. If he can help whit something will be very happy because he like EECH


Great, maybe he can help when it's getting a bit more done \:\)
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/27/08 10:29 AM

Rgr that Sir
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/30/08 10:03 PM

Haven't been able to work as much on the cockpit lately. But I have done a little work on the glare shield:




Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 06/30/08 10:28 PM

Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/01/08 04:30 PM

Really nice Arneh

BTW: Do You plan to make only pilot or allso CP/G cockpit (I'm just curious)?

One more thing: There is no lamps (like those notyfying about rotor brakes IR jammer etc.) in your Apache cockpit. Did I installed something unproperly, or is this the way it supposed to be?
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/01/08 05:24 PM

Amazing mate!!
Posted By: hannibal

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/01/08 06:30 PM

Digtial ComBat Simulations needs to hire this guy so they can hurry up finish DCS Black Shark, so it can be release!

if anything, Arneh can expeditethe development of DCS Apache...

I want coop gunner/pilot now!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/01/08 06:33 PM

 Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Do You plan to make only pilot or allso CP/G cockpit (I'm just curious)?


Pilot's cockpit only with first release.

 Quote:
One more thing: There is no lamps (like those notyfying about rotor brakes IR jammer etc.) in your Apache cockpit. Did I installed something unproperly, or is this the way it supposed to be?


No, the Longbow doesn't have any such lights (that I could find). Guess it uses the MFDs for those purposes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/02/08 02:21 AM

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Man ... I wish I could figure out my graphics problem ... I'm still getting that pixelated tearing/disapearing thing ... and that HIND makes my mouth water.

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Posted By: Wilko

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/06/08 01:31 AM

Whoa .. that looks cool as, I am actualy downloading the community patch (for the 2nd time, first was corrupted.. bah!)as I type this after going and digging out my copy of EECH in the original box with the nice thick manual and am looking foward to getting back into this.

Appreciate the fine work you are doing.. thanks
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/06/08 09:08 AM

After i saw the last pictures of the new arneh cockpit, Mi-24 becomes my favourite helicopter. Keep the good work man
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/10/08 10:50 PM

Check out the new Hind pit in DCS:

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?p=1570943#post1570943
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/14/08 03:09 PM

And now, what we've all been waiting for, it wouldn't be a Hind without it, the fan!





And it spins too:




With that latest addition this is what the view looks like now:
Posted By: EagleEye[GER]

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/14/08 03:28 PM

Which key is assigned to turn on/off the fan? \:D
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/14/08 05:52 PM

 Originally Posted By: EagleEye[GER
]Which key is assigned to turn on/off the fan?


Haven't decided on a key yet.
Seems a little of a waste to have a key for it, so maybe I'll decide to make it automatic depending on time of day, weather and other indications of if it's hot.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/14/08 06:42 PM

Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/14/08 07:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
time of day, weather and other indications of if it's hot.

Like the number of SAM sites and AAA in the area. The more - the hotter. \:\)
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/14/08 11:10 PM

Wow! That looks awesome! The pit is looking very nice man - top quality. \:\)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/15/08 05:42 AM

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GIMMIE ! GIMMIE ! GIMMIE !


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Posted By: Wiesław

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/15/08 12:45 PM

This work it beauty
What You add else?
Posted By: arabianjules

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/16/08 04:16 PM

thats awesome, good work, i take it theres a hind skinned model to flt to go with this?

i often wondered for ages, why, why no of the games companies have`nt brought a new heli sim based around the hind?....it does feature in conflicts around the globe after all....

anyway heres one of me with said gunship, when i was still in the RAF;

Posted By: Amaroq

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/16/08 05:48 PM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
 Originally Posted By: EagleEye[GER
]Which key is assigned to turn on/off the fan?


Haven't decided on a key yet.
Seems a little of a waste to have a key for it, so maybe I'll decide to make it automatic depending on time of day, weather and other indications of if it's hot.


Is the window-wiper key still free in one of the modifiers (ctrl/lalt/ralt/shift)? I don't have the latest keymap but putting it there would make sense (in weird way).

I don't know about you guys but IMVHO, being able to turn the fan on and off is a very important function that absolutely must not be left to the AI. Maybe there should be something in the options menu: "Realistic fan behavior: ON/OFF". Not to overwhelm the beginner and all, but the pros among us should be able to handle it. ;\)

Absolutely awesome work. Really incredible.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/16/08 07:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: arabianjules
thats awesome, good work, i take it theres a hind skinned model to flt to go with this?


I won't make an external skin. But others might. In fact pilot111 already made a quite nice on here: http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=269219&Number=2542189

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i often wondered for ages, why, why no of the games companies have`nt brought a new heli sim based around the hind?....it does feature in conflicts around the globe after all....


I guess the old-fashioned avionics isn't as sexy as the Apache and other more modern helicopters. That said Eagle are making one for their DCS series.

 Originally Posted By: Amaroq
 Originally Posted By: arneh
 Originally Posted By: EagleEye[GER
]Which key is assigned to turn on/off the fan?


Is the window-wiper key still free in one of the modifiers (ctrl/lalt/ralt/shift)? I don't have the latest keymap but putting it there would make sense (in weird way).


Yes, I believe both shift and ctrl are free for that key, and it is one I'm considering using.

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I don't know about you guys but IMVHO, being able to turn the fan on and off is a very important function that absolutely must not be left to the AI. Maybe there should be something in the options menu: "Realistic fan behavior: ON/OFF". Not to overwhelm the beginner and all, but the pros among us should be able to handle it. ;\)


\:\)
Posted By: Daveyraveygravey

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/16/08 08:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: arabianjules
anyway heres one of me with said gunship, when i was still in the RAF;



Got any more pics AJ, that is sweet!
Posted By: FokkerDVIII

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/16/08 11:21 PM

The old HIND by DI is still one of my all time favorites.I get so sick of flying gunships.What was great about Hind was aside from just blowing #%&*$# up you laid mines and inserted troops.Id sure like to see a new helicopter sim that features more then just the gunship role in the future again.Looking forward to this new cockpit for EECH as well!Great work!
Posted By: arabianjules

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/17/08 05:06 AM

 Originally Posted By: Daveyraveygravey
 Originally Posted By: arabianjules
anyway heres one of me with said gunship, when i was still in the RAF;



Got any more pics AJ, that is sweet!


wot of m8, hind? or military AC in general?
Posted By: Daveyraveygravey

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/17/08 08:36 AM

Definitely of the Hind!
Posted By: arabianjules

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/17/08 08:42 AM

 Originally Posted By: Daveyraveygravey
Definitely of the Hind!


no sorry thats the only one i have
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/20/08 10:33 PM

Admittedly not as important as the fan, but here's the windshield wiper:




And of course, like in the other helicopters it works and leaves a pattern of rain-free window when in use. This latest addition clutters up the front view even more, and forward visibility is starting to suffer a bit with all that stuff getting in the way.

Posted By: Heretic

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/21/08 04:04 PM

Regard it as a challenge. Managing to effectively combat the OPFOR with all that stuff in the way makes you an excellent attack chopper driver. ;\)
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/21/08 04:12 PM

And that's, what I've been waiting for, great job Arneh
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/22/08 11:43 PM

I've worked on some of the instruments. The top row are now working, and they also look a bit sharper and better (they've gotten a little depth in 3D):


If you compare to the row below you can see that they look a bit better than the temporary texture I'm still using for the other instruments.



Or to see how the same instruments looked previously compare with this screenshot from the very first post in this thread:


From a little further away this is how it looks:
Posted By: Andreas

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/23/08 06:13 AM

Amazing stuff Arneh!
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/23/08 05:49 PM

Great work ARneh...guess not long till ETA?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/23/08 05:53 PM

 Originally Posted By: XabbaRus
Great work ARneh...guess not long till ETA?


Don't expect it soon, still lots of work to do.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/24/08 11:59 AM

Is the position indicator working on the map?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/24/08 12:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Is the position indicator working on the map?


It shows your position, yes. Though it doesn't move, but the map does move.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/24/08 08:51 PM

That's cool enough for me \:D
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/24/08 10:11 PM

where? Just kidding. It lokos pretty complete to me, or are you the never ending perfectionist?

Good work though am really looking forward to it. Have been blasting about in EECH and the new 3d Apache pit is a blast.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 07/25/08 08:01 AM

 Originally Posted By: XabbaRus
It lokos pretty complete to me, or are you the never ending perfectionist?


The part you see in the screenshots may look fairly complete, but the rest is totally missing.
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/02/08 08:10 AM

Wow, it's really coming along nicely. I don't know why, but I love the MMS, it just looks so freaking cool.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/03/08 04:19 PM

I've finally started to work on other parts of the cockpit than what's directly ahead. Namely the left side and back. Like the front used to be, the instruments are mostly just flat textures, not proper 3D yet. But should at least give a little idea of how it will look.




The fuel shutoff valves are the only part done in full 3D yet. They are used when starting and stopping the turbines.


If you turn enough and zoom a little out you can catch a glimps of the troop cabin in the back. Though the view is going to be more obstructed once the pilot's seat is in place.
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/04/08 10:45 AM

Impressive!
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/04/08 11:11 AM

Maybe it would be better if all the switches will stay in 2D bitmap, and the working gauges in 3D. I'm just afraid, that if full cockpit will be made in 3D, it will downgrade FPS level on weaker PC's.
Posted By: AD

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/04/08 12:54 PM

It's looking superb. I would say keep the 2d switches, they will look better than the low poly 3d switches.

Cheers
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/04/08 01:51 PM

So, I'm guessing you only have the right side, instruments, and pilots seat left to do?

Also, after you finish the cockpit, will you continue to improve the hind?
If so, what do you have planned, if you don't mind my asking?
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/04/08 02:15 PM

 Originally Posted By: Reaper51
So, I'm guessing you only have the right side, instruments, and pilots seat left to do?

I think, 'only' isn't the right word here \:\)
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/04/08 02:49 PM

 Originally Posted By: AD
It's looking superb. I would say keep the 2d switches, they will look better than the low poly 3d switches.


I wasn't planning on doing everything in 3D. But how much remains to be seen.


 Originally Posted By: Reaper51
So, I'm guessing you only have the right side, instruments, and pilots seat left to do?


No, there is more. E.g. the lower and upper part, and external details (what is visible from the cockpit, like the co-pilot's cockpit, pitot tube etc).

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Also, after you finish the cockpit, will you continue to improve the hind?
If so, what do you have planned, if you don't mind my asking?


The co-pilot's cockpit is one big thing. And I may work on other things as well. But don't want to lay too many plans yet, still a lot of work to finish what I've started.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/05/08 07:51 PM

 Originally Posted By: arneh

The co-pilot's cockpit is one big thing. And I may work on other things as well. But don't want to lay too many plans yet, still a lot of work to finish what I've started.


I think that position lights would be a nice addon for Hind.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/19/08 10:26 PM

Worked a bit on some of the missing parts. The right side, floor and ceiling. The door is still missing though.


The handle in the floor is the rotor brake:


Here you can see a bit of the ceiling:


And this one shows most of what I've worked on:
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/19/08 11:28 PM

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice \:\) I love the crew cabin, nice touch!

I still can't get over the outside texture improvement.
Posted By: EagleEye[GER]

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/20/08 07:34 AM

Well done, arneh!
Posted By: ukSleek

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/20/08 03:28 PM

Cracking job..Keep it up!
Posted By: Silverbolt

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/23/08 02:21 PM

Thank You for your Hard work!
it's awesome!!!

btw... do you will do more cockpits for EECH?
if yes, do you have in Mind the Havoc and Black Shark in mind?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/23/08 03:40 PM

 Originally Posted By: Silverbolt
btw... do you will do more cockpits for EECH?



Haven't decided what I will do afterwards. We'll see. The Mi-24 co-pilot's cockpit would be highest priority.

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if yes, do you have in Mind the Havoc and Black Shark in mind?


Unlikely to make a cockpit for either of those. The Mi-28N there just is way too few pictures of to make an accurate cockpit. The Ka-50 has enough pictures, but it's going to have a dedicated sim very soon, so it's not so urgent to have it accurately modeled in EECH too.
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 08/25/08 02:16 PM

There are still Ka-25, Mi-6, Mi-8, Cobra, Kiowa, Blackhawk...
Posted By: LazerPotatoe

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/05/08 12:21 AM

Maybe Arneh or someone could post a cockpit building tutorial?

If you want to PM me notes or braindumps occasionally, I wouldn't mind putting it together.

Or an IM/skype conversation where I could get the steps, and refine it from there.

Regards,
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/05/08 07:50 AM

 Originally Posted By: LazerPotatoe
Maybe Arneh or someone could post a cockpit building tutorial?

If you want to PM me notes or braindumps occasionally, I wouldn't mind putting it together.


I did write a simple tutorial to get started with 3D-editing in EECH, have you had a look at it?

The page on 3D models and 3D scenes should also provide some useful information.

Modelling a cockpit isn't so different from modelling other 3D objects \:\) It's a little extra work to get all the instruments working, but apart from that it's mostly just regular 3D modelling. I can help you get the instruments working when you get to that stage, but first you could just begin by making the static part of the cockpit.

And you can of course send me PMs or e-mails if you need help before you get to the instruments too.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/07/08 09:08 PM

I just posted a video of the new Mi-24 start-up procedure in this thread. It also shows some of the new cockpit.
Posted By: LazerPotatoe

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/08/08 03:54 AM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
I can help you get the instruments working when you get to that stage, but first you could just begin by making the static part of the cockpit.

Is it possible to use Blender3D to generate the models and export to .LWO files? What about the scenes (LWS)?

Thanks


Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/08/08 08:24 AM

 Originally Posted By: LazerPotatoe
Is it possible to use Blender3D to generate the models and export to .LWO files? What about the scenes (LWS)?


Maybe. I did try it at first without too much success, but both the converter and I guess blender was less mature then. So it may be more successful now. Guess you will have to try to find out.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/08/08 05:55 PM

The video showed some of the things I've worked on lately, but it doesn't show as much detail, so to back it up here's some screenshots. Oh, and if these shots are a little more yellow than normal, then it's the setting sun's fault, not mine! \:\)

The pilot finally has a place to sit \:\) And also added that yellow-striped handle above the door. I believe it jettisons the door in emergencies. Apparently someone has already used it in my cockpit :p


The lower part of the cockpit is where I've worked the most:


The weapons panel(lower right in picture) is new and so is the auto pilot panel (lower left). The gear & hydraulics panel above it has been improved, as has many of the instruments on the main panel. And I've added some pedals:


And a collective (the silver ones are the manual throttle overrides, also new):


Most gauges on the main panel are in 3D and working now:


The gear and hydraulics panel. Most of the cockpit is with russian labels, but the warning lights are in english, since they're quite useless if you don't understand what they say \:\) But if someone wants to translate them to russian go ahead.


Auto-pilot below. The real Hind doesn't actually have a real auto-pilot like in EECH, it just has some simple systems to keep the helicopter more stable. But I'll keep the EECH auto-pilot also in the Mi-24 for now.


The APU panel was improved and made to work for the new start-up procedures:
Posted By: Falcon99

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/08/08 06:10 PM

INGENIOUS!!!!!!!! OMG, i have to find a solution for my GFX card not working with EECH!!!

@ arneh: Which GFX card do you use? My GeForce GTX 260 does not work properly, an my old Radeon HD 4850 neither.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/08/08 06:26 PM

 Originally Posted By: Falcon99
Which GFX card do you use? My GeForce GTX 260 does not work properly, an my old Radeon HD 4850 neither.


I used to use a 7950, but that failed me. So I asked what people's experience is with various cards, and it seems at least for nvidia that only the 7000 and 8000 series are safe, newer ones are hit and miss. So I got a used 7900 as a replacement.
Posted By: SimFan

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/08/08 07:47 PM

Un-be-lie-va-ble Arneh. Superb.
About the GFX card issue ... I still kept my 6800GT because EECH1 runs great on it.
EECH2 runs great too, but oh so slow.
Now I guess I can still and safely get an AGP 7950GT.
Thx Arneh.
Posted By: Daveyraveygravey

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/08/08 07:56 PM

Christ, I thought they were actual photos of an actual cockpit!!!
Posted By: Floydii

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/11/08 07:14 AM

I've been watching this develop for a while, but due to bizzare troubles with SimHQ user accounts I couldn't post.

Just wanted to say you are doing a killer job Arneh.. and if the Hind pit is anything like the Apache pit, I can't wait. Between the code tweaks and pits, You've near singlehandedly elevated this sim to greatest helo sim ever.

Keep it up!
Posted By: MoonJumper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/11/08 05:14 PM

very cool crocodile rock arneh \:D
Posted By: Stoley

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/25/08 04:03 PM

Hello all,

I can't believe the quality of the work and effort contributed by the talented people who obviously have a passion for eech! It's been 7 years since I flew (for those that may remember VAHS 227th http://www.geocities.com/vahs_227th/ lol surprised the site is still up) and a review of eech2 had me re-install my copy of eech and grab all the mods available.

This new cockpit blows me away! I was wondering though, some of the gauges are just texture. Will you be converting them all to functioning 3d gauges? If not... is it possible to release the texture files for editing? Please don't take this the wrong way, but a few of the gauges appear blurred.

Now, I don't know if this is due to the texture being stretched over the 3d model or it being up-sampled to fit a particular screen resolution.. if neither of these is the case and it simply is down to time and other things taking precedence, I'm sure some with the necessary image manipulation skills wouldn't mind 'tracing' these gauges so that they appear higher res in the game.

Though it could be me just being finicky!

Please take this as positive criticism, it is in no way meant to decry arneh's obvious talent and expertise.



Stoley.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/25/08 04:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: Stoley
This new cockpit blows me away! I was wondering though, some of the gauges are just texture. Will you be converting them all to functioning 3d gauges?


Are you talking about the new Mi-24 cockpit or the Apache cockpit?
I'm still working on the Mi-24 gauges. Don't have any plans to do anything more with the Apache instruments for now. If it's the Apache your talking about, then which gauges do you mean?

 Quote:
If not... is it possible to release the texture files for editing? Please don't take this the wrong way, but a few of the gauges appear blurred.



The textures are just regular BMP-files in the graphics\textures\cockpit directory. So go ahead and improve them \:\)
And no offense at all if it's the Apache cockpit you're talking about. The textures were just ment to be temporary, and someone more talented with textures could make new ones. But that never happened, so the temporary textures remain...

If it's the Mi-24 cockpit you're talking about then I'm deeply offended :p Or more that you should reserve critism a bit longer, I'm still not done with it. And this time I am doing the textures myself since the "temporary" textures for the Apache didn't work out too well.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/25/08 10:21 PM

Small update, but a little milestone. All instruments on the main panel are now working, and all that are modelled in EECH and will be working on the gear panel and weapons panel are now working. More details to add, so those panels are not completely finished.

All instruments, switches and lights which will be modelled in this screenshot are now working:


And here is a close up of the weapons panel. The only panel to be in english, since it can be hard to understand otherwise.


I also tried to upload an explaination of the gauges on the wiki, but I wasn't allowed to upload images \:\(
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/26/08 07:05 AM

Left and Right switch for rockets? Will we be allowed to fire one side only?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/26/08 08:02 AM

 Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper
Left and Right switch for rockets? Will we be allowed to fire one side only?


No, that switch is not implemented in EECH.
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 09/26/08 02:58 PM

So we'll assume it's stuck at both \:\) Can you model some chewing gum on it? \:D
Posted By: Colonel_Kurtz

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/09/08 08:52 AM

Better get the whip out ARNEH, it looks like 2009 is going to be the year of the KA50 \:\)
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/09/08 10:25 AM

 Originally Posted By: Colonel_Kurtz
Better get the whip out ARNEH, it looks like 2009 is going to be the year of the KA50 \:\)


I'm working on it as much as I can. But I can't do anything about the DCS release date. It ships when it ships, and I release when I'm finished.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/09/08 10:27 AM

Explanation of gauges up on the wiki. Most of the instruments are quite easy to figure out yourself, but there are some unusual ones, so best to give a quick glance to the documentation so you know how they work:
http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mi-24_cockpit
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/09/08 04:58 PM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
But I can't do anything about the DCS release date.

I might be able go get a copy of it for reviewing in a week or so. ;\)
Posted By: SimFan

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/09/08 07:21 PM

D*mn, I no longer worry about DCS ... it is infected by SF malware anyway.
Go for it Arneh ... it seems DCS lost much of it's attraction already, what a shame.
Thank You we have this new cockpit to look forward to (and more) !
Posted By: Colonel_Kurtz

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/10/08 08:09 AM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
 Originally Posted By: Colonel_Kurtz
Better get the whip out ARNEH, it looks like 2009 is going to be the year of the KA50 \:\)


I'm working on it as much as I can. But I can't do anything about the DCS release date. It ships when it ships, and I release when I'm finished.


Fair enough, i was just kidding around anyhow. Rest easy mate, theres no truth in the rumour that the CIA has deployed a unit to Norway, tasked with your arrest and relocation to an Austrian Cellar in order to complete your works on schedule \:\)

knock!! knock!! who's that at the door, quick Arneh, grab your flash drive and run mate.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/10/08 08:13 AM

 Originally Posted By: Colonel_Kurtz
the CIA has deployed a unit to Norway, tasked with your arrest and relocation to an Austrian Cellar in order to complete your works on schedule \:\)


I have no schedule, so that makes it no problem :p
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/14/08 10:35 PM

I've worked a little more on the sides. The left side by the window has gotten some more details, including a rear-view mirror:


On the right side the pilot doesn't have to worry about falling out anymore as there is a door in place:


...though do remember to close it \:\)


Lower part of door:


Upper part of door. View to the front right is severly cluttered now!


And a wide shot of the cockpit in flight with the door and mirrors:
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 02:31 AM

That is looking really awesome man!

\:\)

Do the mirrors work?
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 08:13 AM

*speechless* =o
Posted By: FireBird_[WINE]

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 08:18 AM

*Looking for the jaw on the floor*...
Great work!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 08:26 AM

 Originally Posted By: Mr_Blastman
Do the mirrors work?



They don't show you what's actually behind you, no.

But they do change as you manouver, so if you don't look directly at them then they at least give the impression of being mirrors \:\) It's the same effect as on the cockpit-glass in external views. And the good part is that it doesn't affect frame rates, as actually working mirrors would. I just don't think it would be worth it framerate-wise to have working mirrors. they're not that useful...
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 09:50 AM

Great job, Arneh. I really can't wait for release \:D
Posted By: Daveyraveygravey

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 02:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: arneh
 Originally Posted By: Mr_Blastman
Do the mirrors work?



They don't show you what's actually behind you, no.



Yeah, but at least the fan works! ;\)
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 02:26 PM

 Originally Posted By: Daveyraveygravey
 Originally Posted By: arneh
 Originally Posted By: Mr_Blastman
Do the mirrors work?


They don't show you what's actually behind you, no.



Yeah, but at least the fan works! ;\)


It doesn't actually suck, no :p
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/15/08 07:10 PM

Arneh thank you for your hard work!
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/16/08 01:48 AM

That makes complete sense about the mirrors. Anything we can do to keep the framerate up is a good thing \:\)
Posted By: Mapi

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/27/08 02:50 PM

test
Posted By: ukSleek

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/28/08 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Mapi
test


*2!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/28/08 10:29 PM

Small milestone. The right side of the cockpit is finished. All the instruments which will be modeled are done, and I've added all the 3D details which are going to be there. Maybe there will be some more minor adjustments or improved textures. But apart from that the right side is done smile Now I just have to finish the rest too...

Had a little setback this weekend. My source code folder for some reason was deleted when I upgraded my PC this weekend. That is where I've made all the exe changes. Most of it had already checked into the main repository, so I got that back when I checked it out again. But there was some work lost which I will have to do again frown

A couple of screenshots from the right side which shows some of the new details (switches, dials etc) which are in 3D now.

Engine panel:


Electrical panel and right fuse panel:
Posted By: Daveyraveygravey

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/29/08 11:02 AM

Looking mighty fine Arneh! Don't let the little hiccups with files going walkabout dishearten you, we are all eagerly anticipating this baby!
Posted By: Floydii

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/30/08 06:28 AM

Genius.
Posted By: Falcon99

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/30/08 11:28 PM

Wow brilliant!!!

And i also hate data losses. Had that two or three times in my personal PC history. So i got very anxious of my data security.

The most important data are backupped once a week or even more often, to a special harddisk, which is in use especially for that purpose, and not connected any other time.

Though, there is no absolute data security, and will never be...
Posted By: SimFan

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 10/31/08 12:30 PM

Arneh that s*cks. Data loss is indeed an unpleasant happening.
Being a dev (not sims though) myself it is also constantly on my mind.
Unfortunately sooner or later it will happen to all of us.
But as you know ... we all await your genius to produce this next milestone for EECH.
Thanks again for all you did and will do !
Posted By: Adam

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/07/08 07:33 PM

Maybe it's dumb question for you,but how can I fly the hind in EECH?
Posted By: Andreas

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/07/08 08:09 PM

You can, once it is released.
While it isn't yet, I'm sure the it's worth the wait though.
smile
Posted By: Adam

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/08/08 06:16 AM

But I've heard this is released (mayby beta) and there is a mirror.
I can't find that mirror!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/08/08 11:38 AM

It's not released.

You can still fly the Hind in EECH, though it will use the Mi-28 cockpit. Just select a flight which is Hinds (assault groups) in a campaign or skirmish.
Posted By: Falcon99

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/08/08 01:01 PM

@ arneh: Once there is the Hind update, will it be selectable from the main menu? As for now, there are the four known helos selectable (Apache, Comanche, Havoc, Hokum), so will the Hind be also available there as fifth one? That would be very cool!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/08/08 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Falcon99
Once there is the Hind update, will it be selectable from the main menu? As for now, there are the four known helos selectable (Apache, Comanche, Havoc, Hokum), so will the Hind be also available there as fifth one? That would be very cool!


If you mean from the free-flight menu, then yes, the Mi-24 will be there in addition to the other four helicopters already there.
Posted By: Falcon99

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/08/08 03:43 PM

Yeah that's what i meant! smile

That's good news indeed, thank you!
Posted By: Hairysteed

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/13/08 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Colonel_Kurtz
Better get the whip out ARNEH, it looks like 2009 is going to be the year of the KA50 smile

Do we really need a Ka-50 cockpit after the Hind is finished? I mean the Ka-52 isn't much more than a two-seater version of it. I think a Cobra cockpit would be much more appropriate! We already have the cockpits of two US and two Russian helos and once the Russian side gets a third one, I think it should be the Yanks' turn smile
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/13/08 12:56 PM

Arneh, could You add possibility of installing AT-6 launchers on outter pylon in Hinds payload, same way as You add the UPK-23 pods? I've been trying to make it in the WUT file, but to no use. Having up to 8 Spirals, like on this Mi-24V:
http://images29.fotosik.pl/294/98353bf94a3c8fea.jpg ,
and adding the cannon pods would be a nice Air To Air payload in EECH Hind smile
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/13/08 01:27 PM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Arneh, could You add possibility of installing AT-6 launchers on outter pylon in Hinds payload, same way as You add the UPK-23 pods?


Yes, I've already changed it to be able to carry up to 8 AT-6s or 4 UPK-23 pods.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/13/08 02:25 PM

Thank You, thak You, thank You boing notworthy thumbsup

At last there will be a considerable choice of weaponary for Mi-24 smile
Posted By: Vince H

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 05:09 AM

Quote:
Quoted by Hairysteed: Do we really need a Ka-50 cockpit after the Hind is finished? I mean the Ka-52 isn't much more than a two-seater version of it. I think a Cobra cockpit would be much more appropriate! We already have the cockpits of two US and two Russian helos and once the Russian side gets a third one, I think it should be the Yanks' turn


I'll 2nd that.

Vince
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 06:31 AM

I think he meant DCS: Black Shark...
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 11:39 AM

Hi gents. sorry to barge in :P
I think that a cobra copit would be very nice, but then we would need someone that could integrate an MFD to the Mi-28N CRT screen, it is fundamental, nessesairly and would allow us to control the Mi-28 and Ka-50 more properly.
Posted By: Hairysteed

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 02:44 PM

Let's just keep our minds on the Mi-24 mod for now wink

By the way - will there be any Hind-P versions (with fuselage-mounted 23mm cannons instead of YaKB)?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Hairysteed
By the way - will there be any Hind-P versions (with fuselage-mounted 23mm cannons instead of YaKB)?


Won't be any P-model for now.
Who knows about the future smile And it's 30mm cannons with 3000 rds/min firing rate. Almost as much firepower as the A-10 cannon biggrin
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 04:17 PM

I am just talking about apliying the Ka-52 MFD pages to the Mi-28 CRT screen, of course it would be better if someone could tweak it to show only relevant pages and so, but no more than that.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 04:18 PM

Arneh, the new Mi-24 cockpit will have only the paper map available?, no crt or mfd's?.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Alemart
Arneh, the new Mi-24 cockpit will have only the paper map available?, no crt or mfd's?.


Only map in pilot's cockpit, yes. But you will have a full-screen view of the targeting camera, like the Apache's ORT view, or Ka-52's periscope. To simulate the co-pilot looking through the sight.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/14/08 07:15 PM

I see.
Arneh, i am gathering data and planing to build a new 3d environment (the Rio de la Plata estuary and the Paraná/Iguazú delta, north-easter Buenos Aires province and western Uruguay), i am concerned because some of the aircraft that i need to use share the same textures, and i will allocate them to different sides, there is a way to edit the 3d model to make them use another texture?, i am not talking about remapping the model as such, but making it look for a different texture (a copy of the previous shared one with no changes) that way i can have, lets say, the CH-3 and the Harrier on different sides using different texture.
Is that possible?, what programs do i need?.
Thank you! ^_^ .
Posted By: Hairysteed

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/15/08 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: arneh
Won't be any P-model for now.
Who knows about the future smile And it's 30mm cannons with 3000 rds/min firing rate. Almost as much firepower as the A-10 cannon biggrin

Oh right! That's a downscaled version of the same gun as the Su-25, right? biggrin
Posted By: Buren

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/15/08 11:05 AM

Actually it is the upscaled version of it. wink
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/15/08 11:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Alemart
there is a way to edit the 3d model to make them use another texture?, i am not talking about remapping the model as such, but making it look for a different texture (a copy of the previous shared one with no changes) that way i can have, lets say, the CH-3 and the Harrier on different sides using different texture.


I'm not sure, never tried to have both sides use the same aircraft. If that's what you're trying to do. But there were someone earlier who tried having Mi-24s on both sides, so you could try searching for that and asking whoever it was who did that.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/15/08 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: arneh
Originally Posted By: Alemart
there is a way to edit the 3d model to make them use another texture?, i am not talking about remapping the model as such, but making it look for a different texture (a copy of the previous shared one with no changes) that way i can have, lets say, the CH-3 and the Harrier on different sides using different texture.


I'm not sure, never tried to have both sides use the same aircraft. If that's what you're trying to do. But there were someone earlier who tried having Mi-24s on both sides, so you could try searching for that and asking whoever it was who did that.


It's mee wink Yes I've made Hind available for both sides, by editing FORMCOMP files, as You advised me, Arneh. However didn't manage to make it using two skins at same time, as it should. I've made simple trick instead. The whole idea was to have polish Mi-24's on Blue (assuming NATO) side. To make it possible I've made an installer which installs the polish skin and forcomp's to EECH. The missisue is that Hinds at both sides have same painting and all russian made aircrafts have polish insignia, as the share same insignia files with Mi-24. It's not bothering (at least it doesn't bother me) when on the Blue side. However it annoys me, when I'm on Red side. So I've made unninstaller, which removes changes, I've made for polish skin. All in all managing both installer and uninstaller files, which I put into the Razoworks folder, allows me fly polish Hinds, or have accurate russian textures whenever I want to. Alemart, if You want to check it out, I've hosted it on Check 6 page, exactly here: http://www.checksix-fr.com/bibliotheque/index.php?page=detail&ID=5682 . But I'm afraid, that my solution is not enough for Your needs.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/15/08 07:14 PM

Thanks a lot for your help guys! ^_^ .
I have already modified the FORMCOP.dat file to my satisfaction, the problem here remains on the textures, do you know somebody that could help me?, or some tutorial or program or any other resource i could use?.
Thanks again! ^_^ .
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/17/08 10:00 PM

I think no one can help You, as no one tried to put same aircraft on both sides. My guess is you should try to find 3D models of them, then make copies, edit them, by example with some hex editor, to give them new texture names. But as Arnech posted in response to mee, asking for such possibility some time ago, those new models should be added to .exe application in order to work in a game.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/18/08 01:33 AM

A hex editor you say?...
Do someone know the parameters i should be looking for?, i will really apreciate if somebody points me in the right heading at least biggrin .
Thanks a lot people ^_^ .
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/23/08 06:28 PM

I've worked on the external model visible from the cockpit, which was the last major part that was missing. The co-pilot's canopy, and the air data boom. The fins on the boom move with the wind, which can actually be useful if you want to figure out which direction the wind is blowing from smile


The co-pilot's canopy when open:


I've also finished the radar warning receiver, which was the last major instrument which need to be modeled:


Here's a shot of what the cockpit looks like currently. Mostly just small details and some polishing left to do smile
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/23/08 06:40 PM

Looking good! I've been playing DI's Hind again, so I'm eagerly awaiting this addition to EECH.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/23/08 07:26 PM

jawdrop arneh you are the master!
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/23/08 08:17 PM

Bloody fabulous!!!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/23/08 11:17 PM

Documentation of RWR added to wiki:
http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mi-24_cockpit#Radar_Warning_Receiver
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/24/08 06:52 AM

GREAT shots man! :D, the hinds is looking really good now, and thank you very much for the new article in the wiki!.
Posted By: SimFan

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 08:23 AM

This looks to have become the most detailed model by far.
I have put all my hopes on EECH1 Version 1.11 (with new Hind), now that DCS proves to be infected by SF.
Thx so much Arneh.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 11:46 AM

SF?, you mean StarFarce?.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 11:54 AM

Yes, Black Shark uses Star Force. But please take that discussion over in this thread so that I can ignore it, don't hijack this one :P
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 02:36 PM

Arneh, I've been watchting this thread for over six months, and can't tell, what I amire more, the quality of this cockpit, or your determination in making it. It's truelly beatyfull.

BTW Do you plan to release it as seperate mod, or together with patch 1.11? And if it will be released seperate, are there any chances of making it before v.1.11, or only oafter it?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 02:55 PM

Togther. It requires many changes in the exe, so it won't work with earlier versions.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 02:58 PM

Sure, do not worry, i do not like that kind of discussions either biggrin .
Is there ANY chance for us mortals to get an improved MFD in the Mi-28N/Ka-50 cockpit?, i mean more pages on the CRT display.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Alemart
Is there ANY chance for us mortals to get an improved MFD in the Mi-28N/Ka-50 cockpit?, i mean more pages on the CRT display.



It's not something I'm planning on doing. But shouldn't be too hard to just copy e.g. the Ka-52's MFD pages for someone with the source code wink
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 03:16 PM

JAJAJA, well yeah, but that e-mail adres you gave me does not work :(, so i could not get the updated source code...
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By: arneh
Togther. It requires many changes in the exe, so it won't work with earlier versions.


Roger that. Can't wait for the new .exe biggrin
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/25/08 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Roger that. Can't wait for the new .exe biggrin

thumbsup biggrin
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/26/08 11:19 PM

arneh will be available TrackIR/6DOF in the new cockpit of Mi24 ?!
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/27/08 12:09 AM

Yes.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/28/08 04:47 PM

I've worked a little on the canopy. Added some reflection, dirt and scratches. Most of the time it's quite subtle, but this screenshots showed it very well. I left the leftmost part without the effect so you can compare:


This one also shows it quite well, particulary the scratches against the sky (they're most visible when looking in the general direction of the sun):


I've also added some more 3D details along the left side. Like the radio dials here (to the left and centre):


And the APU-panel, plus the signal flare buttons at the top here:



... And with that ladies and gentlemen I declare the cockpit finished!

Will still be a bit more time until release though, the new exe needs a bit more testing and bug fixing.
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/28/08 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: arneh
...the new exe needs a bit more testing and bug fixing.

And the Mi-28 need the extra pages on the MFD... :P biggrin
But really, the cockpit is SUPERBLY WELL DONE!, it looks wonderful, if the DCS staff does not hires you then they are a bunch of morons :P .
Posted By: goon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/28/08 06:39 PM

Looks fantastic Arneh. I'm really looking forward to the new release.
Posted By: Mapi

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/28/08 10:25 PM

Hey Arneh, you must stop now ! It is to much better then the rest of the game.

It is a Piece of Art thumbsup

And so - what is better: Black Shark or Mit-24 ? copter
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/29/08 12:29 AM

Mi24 biggrin biggrin
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 11/29/08 06:37 AM

Congrats on finishing! Looking forward to flying her. =D
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 10:50 AM

Congratulations for this amazing work, but have a doubt, is not the Mi24 too old for the hight treat envinroment of EECH? Will be now the day when we can have a mission against insurgence? You know no Sams, not too much AAA and lots of infantry. For example we can give red Hinds, and Hips only and for the blue, Cobras and Blackhawks.
So we can retake this idea

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2479587/1.html
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 11:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Stratos
Congratulations for this amazing work, but have a doubt, is not the Mi24 too old for the hight treat envinroment of EECH?

If its not too old to stay in service in many armys nowadays, then why should it be too old for EECH environment???

Originally Posted By: Stratos
So we can retake this idea

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2479587/1.html


Or we can think about actuall NATO ops. in Afghanistan against Al-Quaida with Hinds on blue side (Polish 56 Battle Helicopters Regiment was send there, and they are using Mi-24V's). If it would be possible, then I could make additionall skin for Polish Hips, which are allso in Afghanistan. You could be allso able to use Cobras and Apaches (no BH, as Hinds should replace them), while there was nothing like this in combat use during Soviet intervention in the 80's.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 11:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Stratos
Congratulations for this amazing work, but have a doubt, is not the Mi24 too old for the hight treat envinroment of EECH?



In part yes, at least it makes things more difficult (but then some have asked for a more difficult experience). I wouldn't take a Mi-24 for a SEAD mission. But then it can do a mission none of the other gunships can, troop insertion.

Quote:
Will be now the day when we can have a mission against insurgence? You know no Sams, not too much AAA and lots of infantry. For example we can give red Hinds, and Hips only and for the blue, Cobras and Blackhawks.


For sure it would be nice with some new campaigns with maybe lower threat environment. Maybe make some historic campaigns. Problem is that the Mi-24 is the only older helicopter which is properly modelled so far. Still a specific Hind-campaign could be made.
But I'll leave that to others.
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 06:36 PM

Hope someone can erase the modern choppers and leave only the Hind and the Cobra
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Stratos
Hope someone can erase the modern choppers and leave only the Hind and the Cobra



It's easy to do yourself by editing the FORMCOMP file.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Stratos
Hope someone can erase the modern choppers and leave only the Hind and the Cobra

Originally Posted By: arneh
Originally Posted By: Stratos
Hope someone can erase the modern choppers and leave only the Hind and the Cobra



It's easy to do yourself by editing the FORMCOMP file.

Yes, but it wouldn't represent the Afghanistan war, but the Iraq - Iran conflict.
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 09:31 PM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL

Yes, but it wouldn't represent the Afghanistan war, but the Iraq - Iran conflict.


Great idea!!!
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 10:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Stratos
Great idea!!!

Glad you think so smile Only problem here is that we have Mi-24V and AH-1W/T in EECH. While during that conflict Mi-24D and AH-1S (I think) were used. However this isn't anything, that would bother me wink
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/01/08 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Originally Posted By: Stratos
Great idea!!!

Glad you think so smile Only problem here is that we have Mi-24V and AH-1W/T in EECH. While during that conflict Mi-24D and AH-1S (I think) were used. However this isn't anything, that would bother me wink


Bah, that doesn't matter. It's not like we've the Hind P, there's not that much difference between the V, and D. Same for the Cobra, they're not that different.

But yes, I agree, an Afghanistan or Iraq/Iran campaign would be a lot of fun. Personally I would prefer the Iraq / Iran conflict. I never enjoyed the Afghanistan campaign that much in DI's Hind as there was no armor. A happy pilot is a pilot with lots of mud to move. >=D
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 12:39 AM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Glad you think so smile Only problem here is that we have Mi-24V and AH-1W/T in EECH. While during that conflict Mi-24D and AH-1S (I think) were used. However this isn't anything, that would bother me wink



The Iranians have AH-1Js. The AH-1T is only a slightly upgraded AH-1J, so no big error to use it for Iran.
And the difference between the Mi-24D and Mi-24V is also small. Mostly just that the Mi-24V can carry Shturm (AT-6) missiles, while the Mi-24D can only use the older Fleyta (AT-2). But in any case the Iraqies didn't use anti-tank missiles much at all on the Hind, prefering HOT-armed Gazelles for that role.
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 08:41 AM

Man, we have a winner here?? We already have skins for Iraqi Hinds, now we only need some Irani skins and voila!!
Posted By: Clark

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 09:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Stratos
Man, we have a winner here?? We already have skins for Iraqi Hinds, now we only need some Irani skins and voila!!


And an AH-1 pit... smile

Great work arneh!

/C
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Reaper51
Bah, that doesn't matter. It's not like we've the Hind P, there's not that much difference between the V, and D. Same for the Cobra, they're not that different.

Originally Posted By: Arneh
And the difference between the Mi-24D and Mi-24V is also small.


There are some quite major differences in the cockpit. As you all know Mi-24V has ASP-17V HUD-type gunsight. Hind D has extremally simple OBP-1R collimation sight, wchich you have to use as rear sight, with a small cross, painted on the windshield, used as a foresight. In "D" you wouldn't allso have "Beryoza" RWR system. There's simpliffied system instead, but I haven't seen any display for it on Hind D cockpit pics, so I'm guessing it informs pilot about threats via voice commands only. You can see some shots of Mi-24D cockpit on Hind Dance video. Besides Mi-24D is not able to carry S-8 rockets or UPK-23 cannon pods. But, as I said earlier it wouldn't bother me to use Mi-24V instead of "D" smile
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL

There are some quite major differences in the cockpit. As you all know Mi-24V has ASP-17V HUD-type gunsight. Hind D has extremally simple OBP-1R collimation sight, wchich you have to use as rear sight, with a small cross, painted on the windshield, used as a foresight. In "D" you wouldn't allso have "Beryoza" RWR system. There's simpliffied system instead, but I haven't seen any display for it on Hind D cockpit pics, so I'm guessing it informs pilot about threats via voice commands only. You can see some shots of Mi-24D cockpit on Hind Dance video.


Well... I meant it's not like the difference between the version A, and D Apache.

Quote:
Besides Mi-24D is not able to carry S-8 rockets or UPK-23 cannon pods.


Huh, didn't know that.

@Arneh

You said more testing and bug fixing was needed before release, care to share what needs bug fixes? Is this update more than improvements to the Hind?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Reaper51
You said more testing and bug fixing was needed before release, care to share what needs bug fixes? Is this update more than improvements to the Hind?


Mostly fixing bugs in the new features. I.e. the new cockpit, terrain textures and suspension modelling. E.g. there is a bug that the Hind's moving map sometimes gets corrupted, and that the HUD aiming sight is shown in the wrong position (or not visible at all). Issues like that will have to be fixed.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Besides Mi-24D is not able to carry S-8 rockets or UPK-23 cannon pods. But, as I said earlier it wouldn't bother me to use Mi-24V instead of "D" smile


I have seen pictures of Mi-24Ds with both S-8 rocket pods and UPK-23 cannon pods... Though that may have been later modifications.


For those interested in helicopter use in the Iran-Iraq war this page has a quite lenghty and detailed summary.
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 06:56 PM

Is possible to use cannon pods on the EECH Hind?
Posted By: Gr.Viper

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 06:58 PM

With the new build - yes.
Unfortunately changes to loadout do not show on external 3D model.
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Stratos
Is possible to use cannon pods on the EECH Hind?


Does this answer your question smile
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: arneh
Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Besides Mi-24D is not able to carry S-8 rockets or UPK-23 cannon pods. But, as I said earlier it wouldn't bother me to use Mi-24V instead of "D" smile


I have seen pictures of Mi-24Ds with both S-8 rocket pods and UPK-23 cannon pods... Though that may have been later modifications.


I've recieved the monography, I've been telling you before. I read there, that S-8, S-24, UPK pods, KMGU-2 dispensers and some other armament was added to version "V" to improve it's attack possibilities in Afghanistan. Some Hinds-D in soviet and other Warsaw Pact countries service were later modiffied to this standard, so they were allso able to use EVU exhaust heat shields, as Mi-24V did. I'm allso quite sure, that Rostvertol company offered such modernisation for Mi-25 (designation for Mi-24D made for export out of the Warsaw Pact) in 90's. But I seriously doubt that Iraqui Mi-25's, that served there in the 80's had such possibillities.
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 07:25 PM

I'm guessing it's not possible to show the correct weapons on the pylons? That's a shame. =/
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Reaper51
I'm guessing it's not possible to show the correct weapons on the pylons? That's a shame. =/

I guess it would be possible if we have a brand new 3D modell for Hind. The orriginall one seems to have it's weapons as integrall part of whole modell.
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: RoGaL
Originally Posted By: Reaper51
I'm guessing it's not possible to show the correct weapons on the pylons? That's a shame. =/

I guess it would be possible if we have a brand new 3D modell for Hind. The orriginall one seems to have it's weapons as integrall part of whole modell.


Hmm I see... Then wouldn't it be possible to edit the model and make the weapons separate?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Reaper51
Hmm I see... Then wouldn't it be possible to edit the model and make the weapons separate?


Feel free to do it smile
Posted By: NaiseFail

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 09:31 PM

Originally Posted By: arneh
Originally Posted By: Reaper51
Hmm I see... Then wouldn't it be possible to edit the model and make the weapons separate?


Feel free to do it smile


LOL! I don't have lightwave, and wouldn't know where to start if I did. I used to have an interest in modeling, but lost that interest awhile back.

I'm sure one of the modelers/beginning modelers in the EECH community will contribute this to your "hind patch" if you don't feel like doing it.

[wishful thinking]Hopefully whoever does it will accidentally deform the 12.7mm into a 30mm. >=D[/wishful thinking]
Posted By: Stratos

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/02/08 10:22 PM

Thank's Arneh! So we will be able to load guns on the Hind but will see the old rockets 3d model right? Well is not very important If you fly from the cockpit!
Posted By: Alemart

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/03/08 12:35 AM

Hi guys, as far as i have seen, the problem is not the model itself, it is something related to the lods and to specific parts tht show when "triggered", the answer would be to integrate more "parts" to the actual eech model, and to update the lods.
Posted By: XabbaRus

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/03/08 09:18 PM

Find me a program than can export or convert .3ds or .max files to lightwave objects and I could make some new weapons.
Posted By: Rahon

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/03/08 09:47 PM

I think, that I've seen a tutorial about making it on EECH. I'm allso quite sure, that Arneh posted me link to it in this thread, couple of months ago, when I was asking about an opportunity of making Mi-24 available for the blue side. Maybe you'll find that post of him.
Posted By: yukaho

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/05/08 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: XabbaRus
Find me a program than can export or convert .3ds or .max files to lightwave objects and I could make some new weapons.


Try converting the .max file to a .obj, then convert the obj to a Lightwave file.
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/07/08 10:50 AM


I want to make a movie dedicated to Mi 24 with this beautiful cockpit! smile
Posted By: pilot111

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/21/08 05:42 PM

The new movie is just perfect arneh!! Keep the good work! thumbsup
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/21/08 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pilot111
The new movie is just perfect arneh!! Keep the good work! thumbsup


You're quick smile For the rest of you here it is:
Posted By: Jeevz

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/21/08 06:40 PM

That's really impressive arneh! Now I'll have two new Russian helos to play with biggrin
Posted By: Buren

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/21/08 06:56 PM

The video is exceptionally well done and the pit is breathtaking! Great job! Two thumbs up!

I hope we'll have a nice little Christmas present...

wink
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/21/08 08:59 PM

Nice dude! That looks absolutely worth drooling over.
Posted By: hannibal

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/21/08 11:08 PM

daymn..they need to put this guy onto DCS Mi-28V Hind already....
Posted By: FireBird_[WINE]

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/21/08 11:40 PM

Incredibly fascinated. thumbsup
Posted By: Mapi

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/22/08 12:23 AM

So -when is Xstmas ??? CT

pilot pilot pilot cheers
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/22/08 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Mapi
So -when is Xstmas ???


In the Russian orthodox church it's in January, since they're still using old-fashioned Julian calender :p And this is a Russian helicopter after all wink


(but then if you read the text in the video it does say 2008 wink )
Posted By: Andreas

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/22/08 06:23 AM

Absolutely amazing! Been watching this video several times already.
I delivers a great feeling of "being there"!

Nice work!
Posted By: DeVoo

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/22/08 10:02 AM

arneh, awsome work! Thank you!
I know russian comunity, those who fly
EECH are excited about Mi-24 cockpit!

There is only one seat modeled in the cockpit?
Or both like in Apache?
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/22/08 10:19 AM

Originally Posted By: DeVoo
I know russian comunity, those who fly
EECH are excited about Mi-24 cockpit!



Glad to help the russian community then smile What russian forums do the community there use?

Quote:
There is only one seat modeled in the cockpit? Or both like in Apache?


Only pilot's cockpit.
Posted By: DeVoo

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 12/22/08 10:42 AM

Even pilot's is great!

As far as forums, there are some people at digital combat simulator forum
which is ED forums

and there was a good place at forum.sukhoi.ru,
there was a special forum thread for EECH
which should be up again in a few days
(Sukhoi was down for several weeks)
forum.sukhoi.ru is really the best that I know of.
so once it is up, you are welcomed there =)
Posted By: FokkerDVIII

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 01/26/09 06:21 AM

Excellent work arneh.Thanks a bunch!
Posted By: unforgiven

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/03/09 09:39 PM

It is indeed very nice work, Arneh. I have a question, however, regarding Mr. Hind... is there any kind of targeting system in that thing, or is it all boresight, except for the helmet controlled mg, that is? Having a heck of a time finding things to kill before they kill me, lol. smile
Posted By: arneh

Re: Mi-24V cockpit [work in progress] - 03/03/09 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: unforgiven
is there any kind of targeting system in that thing, or is it all boresight, except for the helmet controlled mg, that is?


Yes, you can use the full screen EO sight (access with PgDn). You can also cycle through targets you or your co-pilot has found (he tells you with speech each time he finds a target) and their position will show up on the HUD (if it's in view). But only the Shturm missiles are guided otherwise the targeting only helps you know where to aim.

Have a look at http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mi-24_weapons
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