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Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics)

Posted By: FlyRetired

Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/10/08 02:00 PM

On a recent visit to the neoqb offices in Moscow, flight sim fans in Russia got some real hands-on experience with the alpha build of Rise Of Flight. The following screenshots were taken from flight sim enthusiast -=RFF=-AvvA's trip this past month, and give us a look at some of the work that's been created for the sim.

Rise Of Flight loads



Campaigning intro footage



The workings of the Mission Editor



Mission Accomplished and controllable pilot animation

Posted By: ArgonV

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/10/08 02:10 PM

Very nice artwork! I'm liking what has been shown thus far. The mission editor looks fresh too!
Posted By: Dantes

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/10/08 02:55 PM

Awesome!

Nice to see that there will be cut scenes to enhance the transition between missions.

The Mission Editor looks very interesting. A far cry from the top-down map dragging of other sims.

Good find Dave and thanks to our Russian sim fans for uploading them.

It looks like FIFA is the office lan favorite. \:\)

S!
Posted By: Freycinet

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/10/08 03:20 PM

Auch, I just don't see the point of artificially created human beings... Why go to all the trouble of that when actors can do a much better job.

See the "uncanny valley":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/10/08 04:14 PM

Perhaps it would be difficult to get the actors to crawl into, fly, and crawl out of the sim's little 3D aircraft, or maybe they just couldn't find an actor with Eddie Rickenbacker's nose. ;\)

Hey wake that guy up.....ROF Team at neoqb

Posted By: Dart

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/10/08 05:46 PM

Note to bald guy on the right: When pretending to be working, turning the monitor on really helps sell the illusion.

\:\)
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/11/08 02:19 PM

Some tastie views of ROF's models.

(not those kind of models)

Plastic models, built by the ROF team reflecting many of the fighter types included in the game.



Posted By: T_O_A_D

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/12/08 01:11 PM

Note the calendar porn on the center pillar of the room ROFLMAO
Posted By: Dart

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 12:44 AM

Yep. I bet is legal to smoke indoors there, too.

Sigh.
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 01:04 AM

Well at least the plastic model pics didn't need editing.

Posted By: franksvalli

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 01:36 AM

Thanks for the pics Dave. Just made the update on my site. But I was too lazy to blur the nude on the wall - now I feel bad, lol.
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 09:26 AM

LOL Dave, or should we call you General Smutt! \:D

(that's your site, so she's your baby) ;\)
Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 02:40 PM

Nice, but the pilots should look not too much "cinematographic". (1)

Have a look here on this Ebay album, with a excellent and inedite picture of Bölke.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Album-1-WK-Flieg...1QQcmdZViewItem




(1) in my opinion, the "Flyboys" (what an horrible movie) look and ambiance should be avoided at any costs!
Posted By: Ming_EAF19

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 06:09 PM

Boelcke died in a flying accident, colliding with a comrade's plane in his flight if it's the same Boelcke. I only found this out today which is why I mention it, shocked

I liked Flyboys, it's not as if we have WW1 movies coming out of our ears

Ming
Posted By: Freycinet

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 06:17 PM

Wauw, amazing pics at that link!

http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Album-1-WK-Flieg...bayphotohosting
Posted By: piper

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/13/08 11:21 PM

Software developers "not" working in cube-land??? What a concept.
Posted By: Dart

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 12:54 AM

IIRC, Boelke was one of Richtofen's first kills.


[edit]

I rewatched Flyboys this last week and put some of the grognard biases aside.

It's not really a bad film. Even the "love interest" has a purpose of showing that there was more to WWI than Ami's flying against the Hun in some sort of vaccuum. The French were actually people, it would seem, and worth fighting for.

Indeed, the romance part was very well handled. I was expecting five minutes of slow motion too-close-up cinematic soft porn (see Top Gun), but in fact he doesn't get to score (AFAIK).
Posted By: Dantes

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 02:08 AM

Um, I think not Dart.

Boelcke was Richthofen's mentor and wrote the rules of engagement that he based his own tactics upon. They never flew as opponents, being both on the same side. ;\)

I think you are thinking of Hawker.

S!
Posted By: Dart

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 05:03 AM

Actually, I was making light of the fact that Richtofen was close by when Boelke collided with his wingman. It's often misquoted as having Richtofen hitting Boelke, when it wasn't the case.

Four planes were occupying a combat square of fifty feet to a side when when collision happened.

At any rate, it was Hun on Hun crunching that did the man in.
Posted By: Neal

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 07:16 AM

Manfred broke formation to chase an enemy, one plane swerved to avoid a crash and there was another
crash instead. Manfred carried guilt over that, he did blame his own action as the cause.
Posted By: Brigstock

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 08:36 AM

Beolke collided with Bohme after they tried to avoid an Allied aircraft that was evading MVR. I think the Jasta was already engaged with the enemy, MVR hadn't broken ranks and gone chasing.
Bohme was Beolke's wingman and was flying very tight to him. The actual collision, according to Boelke, was very light. It was the crash landing and Beolke not being strapped in that killed him. Or so they say.

Bohme carried the guilt for Beolke's death not MVR. Boelke was MVR's mentor and much admired by the flyer. He had no guilt over the accident just a great sense of loss and throughout his carrer he tried to emulate Boelke's style of leadership.

I just finished MVR's autobiography a couple of months ago, it still fresh in my memory, bloody good book too!

As a side note and an interesting fact.

MVR's head wound in 1917 was recorded as a hit from a FEE gunner, when in fact the unofficial story is that the FEE opened fire at an unrealistic range and had no chance of hitting MVR. But the fact that the FEE opened up spooked one of the Jasta 11 flyers who in panic returned fire over MVR's shoulder. It is thought that the actual bullet that grazed MVR's skull came from behind!

Posted By: Global_Explorer

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 08:43 AM

Nice artwork but the faces look definitely Russian. Which would be nice if this was a game set in the Eastfront or October revolution, but it isn't. They should have hired an artist with a feeling for western style. Unimportant as this sounds, I think it would bother me.
Posted By: Ming_EAF19

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 09:31 AM

Boelke was one of Richtofen's first kills.

...said the 12 year old producer of Flyboys

Yes I got it Dart

Ming
Posted By: Ming_EAF19

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 09:58 AM

They should have hired an artist with a feeling for western style. Unimportant as this sounds, I think it would bother me

It will bother lots of us westerners mate but the presentation I'm going to think of as being from an alternate universe, and maybe there'll be a mod later so that one day it'll look and feel like a proper WW1 sim. As westerners see WW1 I mean, duelling scars and handlebar moustaches and dreams of Blighty

By 'Russian' I think you mean what we'd call Slavic perhaps, with the easterner's more Asiatic look and dark hair and so on. Noble peoples and I suppose they had their WW1 too. But I would have thought that a more western for want of a better less emotive word, a more western approach to the presentation would seem more romantic even to easterners. For want of a better word again

Surely they have photographs of the main participants, incidents, battles. I'd start there rather than in Moscow. But being almost entirely uninformed about WW1, I hope that there were Russian pilots flying. For the Germans probably as important Russian officials were being looked after by Kaiser Bill at that time

Wait I'm remembering what set me off on this one- the Chinese guy on the right of a photo of Richthofen's funeral. "...a member of the Chinese Labour Corps, transported from China to the Western Front". Transported from China? WTF was going on. I'm getting Boxer Rebellion, no idea what that's all about

Ming
Posted By: Syncerus

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 10:20 AM

IMO the pilot in the middle of the second image looks like a Frenchman.
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 10:45 AM

I think he looks like American ace Douglas Campbell, in France, during WWI.

Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 12:43 PM

Another Ebay album showing some French people (not pilots), just to show that the Flyboys style was just deeply fake (argh, I just hate this movie):

http://cgi.ebay.de/Lot-de-23-Photos-Arme...1QQcmdZViewItem
Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 12:56 PM

Some examples of German looking pilots:





(Otto Kissenberth)



(Fritz Pütter)



(Heinrich Bongartz)


.....
Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 01:00 PM



(Karl Menckhoff)



(Karl Schäffer)



(Bruno Loerzer)



(Heinrich Kroll)

.....
Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 01:05 PM



(Otto Bernert)



(Oswald Boelcke)



(Kurt Wüsthoff)



(Karl Allmenröder)


....
Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 01:19 PM



(Olivier Freiherr de Beaulieu-Marconnay)



(Albert Dossenbach)



(Kurt Wintgens)




So you understand why the crappy "Fly Boys" style must be avoided at all costs, because it was so fake in the external look (making men of the beginning of the 20th century look like US teens) and so wrong in the spirit (1).

Frankly, have a look at Olivier de Beaulieu-Marconnay, he does not need to be "flyboyzed" to have such a great style!



(1) hard to explain it, but these pilots on both sides of the front were men of the old tradition, coming from the old world. Best way to know what I mean, read books of Ernst Jünger or Maurice Genevoix or have a look at this clip from "The great Illusion":

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rI_7qVC30
Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 01:33 PM

"IMO the pilot in the middle of the second image looks like a Frenchman. "


I will post later a good pic about French pilots (by the way, Jean Reno looks totally wrong for a French pilot of that time).

In the meantime, two good pics of Böhme and Immelman:



Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 01:45 PM

Btw, the "big moustaches" "errolflynesque" style should also be let out, as it was simply not real.
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 02:56 PM

 Originally Posted By: CHDT
Btw, the "big moustaches" "errolflynesque" style should also be let out, as it was simply not real.
For most German aviators, but the French pilots would proudly take exception!

Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 04:50 PM

I was of course speaking of the caricatural "big moustaches" seen in bad films or parodies:

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img1367.jpg
Posted By: Cold_Gambler

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 06:45 PM

This thread needs more chart!



This chart clearly demonstrates that thicker, fuller, 'staches reached a height of popularity at the end of 1915 - beginning 1916, unfortunately the decreasing average age of airmen as a result of losses on both sides thereafter led to a commensurate thinning until late 1917.

Further research may break down these figures on a national basis.
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/14/08 07:07 PM

LOL...that is Cold! \:D

I wonder what would have been the correlation with going bald and the combat stress they endured.......wait, don't answer that!
Posted By: CHDT

Re: Walkin' thru ROF (Sept. Pics) - 10/15/08 06:41 AM

Of course, this chart is very funny :-)

But there is a "but": the "fun" factor is often what can spoil a great thing in just an average thing for the masses. There are for instance so many examples of what the "fun factor" can do in aircraft restorations to prefer some kind of reasonable elitism, for not throwing in the end "pearls to pigs" ;-)
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