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Posted By: ETwit

So Then - 05/26/08 01:00 AM

There actually is a Knights of The Sky being developed....15 current viewers couldn't be wrong.




I'm 57. Will I get to actually play it before I go to that great aerodrome in the sky???..or am I doomed to having had Red Baron as the only WWI flight sim I ever knew.

Even as great as it was....as great as the SPs have been... after 18 years I have 'bout had enough.
Posted By: Chivas

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 02:54 AM

We should no more in a few months. I'm 59 and have been waiting for SOW for four years. So eat healthy and get some exercise. ;\)
Posted By: Dunkers

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 09:51 AM

Blimey! I'm a youngster here - I'm only 52!

Posted By: Trooper117

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 10:50 AM

You bunch of old tarts!!.. \:D
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 01:41 PM

At least Trooper didn't call us a bunch of old farts!

I'm 52 like Dunkelgrun, still love playin' games like a kid, but growin' old waiting for the next big one (sim that is).

Chivas said it best:

 Quote:
So eat healthy and get some exercise.

Btw, with the years comes a healthy dose of patience too, something I'm hoping will play into the favor us willing to take the time to hunt in the future.

(KOTS the first sim made with old codgers in mind)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 06:19 PM

That's interesting. I remember that the Red Baron community also had a relatively high number of older fellows than most games (and even most simulators). What is it about Great War aircraft that appeals more to that age group than the younger ones? Maybe the younger enthusiasts ignore the old wood-and-canvas kites because they're slow. Well, they don't know what they're missing.
Posted By: Dunkers

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 07:10 PM

 Originally Posted By: Benny Moore
What is it about Great War aircraft that appeals more to that age group than the younger ones?


I'm tempted to say that we can remember them when it was all new, but that would be stretching things a bit! Perhaps it's because our grandfathers took part in WWI, which makes it a bit more personal?
One of mine was in the RFC, although nothing glamorous - he was a 'Driver (Petrol)', which must have been a step up from 'Driver (Horse)'! Also, my Nan could remember the Zeppelin raids on London.

Posted By: Ming_EAF19

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 09:36 PM

Same here Chivas it's been weird travelling from Siddartha's river to Flanders fields but here we are, dodging the Reaper. I was just saying to the Home Secretary the other day that we'd be boxed up already if it wasn't for all the drugs

On living forever who wants to anyway: stem cells are going to fix everything if they can't persuade the monkeys they don't need those glands under the 'Free Bananas For Life' scheme

Ming
Posted By: BadBud

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 09:47 PM

Bunch of young kids. Seventy-six here and lovin' it.
BadBud
http://www.simflite.com
Posted By: Craterman

Re: So Then - 05/26/08 11:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: Chivas
We should no more in a few months. I'm 59 and have been waiting for SOW for four years. So eat healthy and get some exercise. ;\)


Ha! I have every right to act childish then, I'm only 41! My wife things I play childish games, but it would seem that I am mature past my years!
Posted By: Chivas

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 01:31 AM

My wife doesn't mind as I'm not messin with her while I'm flying, but she doesn't realise that I've long since forgotten why I messed with her in the first place. j/k ;\)
Posted By: Smosh

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 05:34 AM

 Originally Posted By: Benny Moore
Maybe the younger enthusiasts ignore the old wood-and-canvas kites because they're slow.


Are you calling the younger generation a bit backwards? \:D
Posted By: Brigstock

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 07:37 AM

Younger generation...LOL, looks like I fit into that demographic being a sprightly 42.
Perhaps ViKs and the team ought to model some bath chairs and blankets for the older gentleman fliers here \:\)
Posted By: steeldelete

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 10:59 AM

I think it is attractive for us old fellows, because it is slow.

I tried some jet simulations, but it is way too fast. I can't appreciate the sceanery, and than I just have to let go at some ballon or other to calm my nerves.
Posted By: Immermann

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 11:01 AM

You know, when I got back into flight sims about three years ago I thought I was on the older side of the community. I mentioned that in some thread, at The Zoo no less, and was very surprised when a lot of the guys who answered were well over 50. You couldn't have guessed that from the behaviour of some of them ;\) I suppose we are a mentally young bunch, and I'm only 33 \:D
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 11:40 AM

 Originally Posted By: Brigstock
Perhaps ViKs and the team ought to model some bath chairs and blankets for the older gentleman fliers here \:\)

And then, maybe when we have a youngster in our steely grey gunsights we might think twice about killing off yet another generation.

(not)
Posted By: Chivas

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 04:51 PM

 Originally Posted By: FlyRetired
 Originally Posted By: Brigstock
Perhaps ViKs and the team ought to model some bath chairs and blankets for the older gentleman fliers here \:\)

And then, maybe when we have a youngster in our steely grey gunsights we might think twice about killing off yet another generation.

(not)


+1
Posted By: Ming_EAF19

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 06:08 PM

Assassin's Creed on the van as we speak, Mass Effect up on D-Day. That must be a sign. Oleg do something

Ming
Posted By: Dart

Re: So Then - 05/27/08 07:07 PM

Well for me the appeal of WWI was pilot selection criteria.

If one was relatively young and daring and generally fit, one could become a pilot.

Eye glasses were okay!

So if I were magically transported to 1913, I could put some money down on flight lessons, build up a logbook, and volunteer as a pilot a year later. A lot was overlooked if one could already fly an aircraft.

Any of us would be considered genuises of flight. Imagine telling an instructor that spins are resolved by putting the stick in neutral and the rudder into the spin while retarding the throttle in 1914! They'd hang a medal on us, and then swear us to secrecy!

In every simulation past WWI it's with a nod to the fact that I would never cut the mustard on a flight physical.
Posted By: Avimimus

Re: So Then - 05/28/08 12:25 AM

And any of us could fall in the great attrition... Both of my grandfathers failed to qualify and knowing the jobs my paternal one was interested in my probability of existing would have dropped by 50% if he had succeeded (I can see risking my existence before I'm born to fight the Nazi's but to fight Imperial Germany???).

Perhaps the greater popularity is simply due to "Alls quiet on the Western Front" and "Dawn Patrol", or perhaps it comes from living at a time when Great War Veterans were still alive in large numbers.

I personally can't quite understand the American fixation on World War Two, Vietnam and Desert Storm
(of course it might just be that our history tends to emphasize equally: 1812-15, Boer War, The Great War, World War Two, then Korea and Afghanistan). Even World War Two looks different (specifically the great losses incurred in battle of the Atlantic and the night bombing of Germany, as well as greater actions in the Mediterranean and Burma).
Posted By: Dunkers

Re: So Then - 05/28/08 08:44 AM

 Originally Posted By: Avimimus

I personally can't quite understand the American fixation on World War Two, Vietnam and Desert Storm


I think that, like any nation, your greatest interest in wars is going to be in those that your country actually played a major part in. Apart from the three above, the USA's major conflicts have been the War of Independence, the Mexican-American War and the American Civil War, all of which are the subject of major discussion, research (and myths!). The American entry into WWI was so near the end as to prevent their forces taking part in many major battles, although it did have the desired effect of convincing Germany that they couldn't win due to overwhelming numbers on the Allied side.

In contrast, the UK has no obsession with Vietnam because we weren't there, and precious little about Desert Storm in which we played a minor part. We care far more about the Falklands War, as has been shown by the recent 25th Anniversary parade.

Posted By: Craterman

Re: So Then - 05/28/08 04:14 PM

"I personally can't quite understand the American fixation on World War Two, Vietnam and Desert Storm"

WW2 was the epic war of epic wars. 1000+ bomber formations, 5000+ ship invasion forces. It was never seen before or never will be seen again. Besides my Dad was there and I heard the stories when I was a kid. The world and freedom was in jeapordy. The Ultimate good verses evil of all time. Just a few reasons.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: So Then - 05/29/08 07:38 AM

As Yahtzee eloquently put it, "So why does the U.S. have such a fascination about a time that everyone else would rather just forget about and move on? Well, probably, because that was the last war in which they did any good, when they had a clear win over an unambiguously evil villain who posed a genuine threat ..."
Posted By: Cas141

Re: So Then - 05/29/08 06:14 PM

 Originally Posted By: ETwit
There actually is a Knights of The Sky being developed....15 current viewers couldn't be wrong.




I'm 57. Will I get to actually play it before I go to that great aerodrome in the sky???..or am I doomed to having had Red Baron as the only WWI flight sim I ever knew.

Even as great as it was....as great as the SPs have been... after 18 years I have 'bout had enough.



Couldn't resist having a look at the (non) progress, despite what I said, but then m tongue was in cheek -lol

I'm now picking up my OAP - wonder how much HM Gov will have given me when (if ) we see KOTS?

Hope we are both not disappointed, Etwit
- but I really answered because of your sentence ....

" red baron as the only WW1 flight sim I ever knew"...

Have a look at Over Flanders Field at Sim Outhouse.com Best sim there is, - and it is WW1
And the beta of the latest version- being sold on DVD - is presently being tested.

So, you shouldn't be too old for this one!
Posted By: ETwit

Re: So Then - 05/29/08 08:13 PM

I can't really put my finger on it. I served in the Air Force 70-74 but I have never really "liked" planes without props.

I have always had a thing for those beautiful graceful doublewinged birds. Not that I don't like WWII vintage craft too...but there is just something extra charming about the lines of a WWI fighter that grabs me.
Posted By: ETwit

Re: So Then - 05/29/08 08:27 PM

 Quote:


Have a look at Over Flanders Field at Sim Outhouse.com Best sim there is, - and it is WW1
And the beta of the latest version- being sold on DVD - is presently being tested.

So, you shouldn't be too old for this one!



Hmmm.theres an idea. But....

I bought the first 3 CFS and never really liked any of them much. Canned missions. No real career campaign. They didn't have the "SOUL" of Red Baron.

So, isn't O.F.F. just a version of CFS dressed up in WWI garb or am I missing something?
Posted By: Craterman

Re: So Then - 05/29/08 09:06 PM

 Originally Posted By: Benny Moore
As Yahtzee eloquently put it, "So why does the U.S. have such a fascination about a time that everyone else would rather just forget about and move on? Well, probably, because that was the last war in which they did any good, when they had a clear win over an unambiguously evil villain who posed a genuine threat ..."


Yep, a few years later they fired MacArthur for wanting to kill the source of the problems in Korea. Every since then "Political correctness" has forever doomed the world to live with evil.
And your right, we damn near lost the Gulf War, close; but we did prevail :).
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: So Then - 05/30/08 01:43 AM

 Originally Posted By: Craterman
Yep, a few years later they fired MacArthur for wanting to kill the source of the problems in Korea. Every since then "Political correctness" has forever doomed the world to live with evil.

History lesson in order.

Generals work for our civilian and politically elected representatives under our system of government here in the USA, and not the other way around.

George Washington preserved our fledgling American Republic by walking away from Imperial Presidency, and against the will of many well-meaning Patriots of the time.

MacArthur aspired to expand the Korean conflict, and directly contravene his authority, despite what some Patriots insist even to this day.
Lessons unlearned seem to be repeated ad nauseam.

("evil" has always been used as cover for a world full of sensless human beings)
Posted By: Trooper117

Re: So Then - 05/30/08 06:51 AM

I never realised how evil I am!..
Posted By: PourleMerite

Re: So Then - 05/30/08 10:30 AM

 Originally Posted By: dunkelgrun
 Originally Posted By: Benny Moore
What is it about Great War aircraft that appeals more to that age group than the younger ones?


I'm tempted to say that we can remember them when it was all new, but that would be stretching things a bit! Perhaps it's because our grandfathers took part in WWI, which makes it a bit more personal?
One of mine was in the RFC, although nothing glamorous - he was a 'Driver (Petrol)', which must have been a step up from 'Driver (Horse)'! Also, my Nan could remember the Zeppelin raids on London.



My grandfather (mother's father) was in the RFC, mechanic and occasional observer. The only two stories I can remember him telling me were when they were taking off once and hit a gypsies washing-line pole, and how they were twelve miles or so down the line from where Richthofen was shot down and got to see the wreck of his triplane after it had been stripped. Oh! And when they were shown the 'new' US-issue .45 automatic pistol, my GF discharged the entire clip into the ground accidentally and "nearly had a heart-attack". \:D

I remember handling his forage-cap, mainly because of the incredible quality of the materials and workmanship. My uncle had his revolver. And there was an old lady, a friend of my grandmother's, who had been engaged to a pilot who lost his life over the front, who lived up the road. I visited her with my GM once and was shown a little book he'd kept as a kind of diary with all sorts of pictures he'd drawn. She had never married and died a spinster.

It was all pretty influential stuff for a small kid (I'm nearly 48 now). I built an Airfix 'Dogfight Double' when I was five or six, a Fokker Triplane and Be2 IIRC. The triplane was painted bright red and my mother hung it from the ceiling in our bedroom.

Happy days. \:\)
Posted By: fearlesslds

Re: So Then - 05/30/08 06:00 PM

I agree with the first post where is this thing . Can't play RB3d anymore. Would rather this game was delayed 3 months and we were given a weekly update than this sparatic ''
It's still coming out " junk .
Posted By: fearlesslds

Re: So Then - 05/30/08 06:02 PM

I'm 48 . Think the younger kids only want speed and noise . Same in their first person shooters .
Posted By: Sturm_Williger

Re: So Then - 05/30/08 06:53 PM

Wow, I feel quite sprightly at only 41 \:D
Recent health issues raised similar concerns that I might not get to fly KoTS, but that's passed and I'm happily waiting again.

I also find that jets have little attraction ( nice to look at maybe, but I'd rather "virtually" fly a propplane.)

Was reading some translations of MvR's combat reports and I love the way he describes a dogfight - it's not even turnfighting ... "And then we began to curve".

Bring it on ! \:\)
Posted By: Ming_EAF19

Re: So Then - 05/30/08 10:32 PM

Like the Army versus the Navy

Army is centred around the dangerous cover close by and what might be hiding in it so teamwork is favourite, massive multiplayer Kursk for example or London's 1000 plane Dockland: and the Navy is about miniscule dots on the horizon you need to whip out the telescope to ID

Prop planes closeup shots to jets' Hand of Waldo operations

Sir Walter Raleigh inventor of the bicycle to Sir Frank Whittle?

Ming
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: So Then - 05/31/08 12:11 AM

I don't care to fly a sim where I'm staring at a computer screen, but now it's the virtual one in my cockpit.

I don't care to fly a sim where an automated weapon system seeks out and kills the enemy, unseen, and over the horizon from my view.

I don't care to fly a sim where weather is incidental, and radars constantly monitor the situation to warn me of a threat.

Some may like this combat flight sim experience, and by the number of modern-era games that have been released over these past recent years, and because of the new ones in the pipeline too, they should be more than happy about their gaming situation.

My gaming interest aren't based on nostalgic yearnings for WWI, or because of some slanted inability to progress beyond "WWII The Big One", it's because for many of us, we like using our Mk.1 eyeballs and our Mk.2 guns to pursue our combat flight simming, and it's as simple as that.
Posted By: Polovski

Re: So Then - 05/31/08 02:16 AM

 Originally Posted By: ETwit
 Quote:


Have a look at Over Flanders Field at Sim Outhouse.com Best sim there is, - and it is WW1
And the beta of the latest version- being sold on DVD - is presently being tested.

So, you shouldn't be too old for this one!



Hmmm.theres an idea. But....

I bought the first 3 CFS and never really liked any of them much. Canned missions. No real career campaign. They didn't have the "SOUL" of Red Baron.

So, isn't O.F.F. just a version of CFS dressed up in WWI garb or am I missing something?


No not quite, take a look at the movies on our website.. new AI, new high res scenery, full dynamic campaign engine (not CFS3's) around 230+ aircraft in the air over the font on real missions from real bases etc.. see the website for full feature list. Also posted some nice pics in the forum on SOH and here..

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2523920#Post2523920
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: So Then - 05/31/08 12:32 PM

Mark,

Those OFF sceenshots are stupendous, and warrant a peek here of just a few.

Not only is P3 looking great, but the game features (compared to CFS3) are improved for the better too!





Posted By: ETwit

Re: So Then - 05/31/08 12:49 PM

OK then..if that be the case then I'll give her a try..not much else to do while waiting for KOTS...'cause sure as shooting ...I ain't about to play no racecar sim...
Posted By: Brigstock

Re: So Then - 05/31/08 02:02 PM

OFF is always worth a go, I've been playing it since Phase one and the content has been getting better and better.

However it does have it's faults, all of which are down to the CFS3 engine.
The first is AI, they have the ability to shoot the wings off a fly from a mile away. I'm really hoping that can be toned down in P3 as I've lost a few campaign persona's by a golden BB from an unrealistic distance. The other is, as my PC upgrades have improved my processing and graphics capability, CFS3's engine has been struggling to keep up. There is a texture fill rate issue that has crept up on me recently. Mainly apparent when using TIR, have too quick a glance at my six will show blue or white textures on the terrain. CFS3's engine is not quick enough to draw the terrain for me. Lower the graphic settings or use slower head movements reduces it, but that is not really a solution.
I don't believe that will ever be fixed.

All that said though, if WWI simming is what rocks your world, then OFF is the only real sim out there that will meet the demands of modern expectation. P2 has holes in it, but it is far superior to anything else out there. Phase 3 has shown a good deal of promise too. Add the fact that it is in beta testing now, it shouldn't be long before we get our mitts on it.
Posted By: ETwit

Re: So Then - 05/31/08 03:21 PM

This thread is turning out to be a real gold mine of info...guess I'll just wait on P3. Thanks!
Posted By: Brigstock

Re: So Then - 05/31/08 06:04 PM

Phase 2 is free, both P3 and P2 need CFS3. Given that P2 is still free and available via DVD swap on the official forum, then I'd suggest you give P2 a try out. Look at it as a demo \:\)
Posted By: Polovski

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 01:32 AM

Thanks for posting the pics Dave, I didn't mean to hijack a thread in the forum. I am sure all of the OFF Team and most all OFF flyers and WW1 combat lovers I am sure will buy and fly KoTS when it's available anyway it looks great so far.

Most of the annoying issues of CFS3 are no longer in P3. Sniping for example. Also AI is much improved and it makes a big difference as we tried to show in the movies. Phase 2 will give you an idea, but P3 is a real step up.

ETwit - it's a serious WW1 sim - no shootem up either so many WW1 shootemups out there.
We currently have over 2300 (!) authentically researched aircraft textures for a start, real missions by real squads from their real bases.. etc... Go read the features on the website anyway rather than hijack this thread.

Cheers


Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 11:49 AM

Any new WWI sim, and especially one with the amount of hard work and beauty exhibited by OFF P3 deserves some good attention Mark.

I think the OFF screenshots are very inspiring, and preview something us prop sim fans can look forward to in the not too distant future!

I hope someone at SimHQ does an article on OFF P3 when it releases.

Posted By: ETwit

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 12:51 PM

 Originally Posted By: Polovski
rather than hijack this thread




Don't sweat the highjack...it wasn't as much a serious inquiry as it was a random act in passing, born out of boredom. It turned out to be a rather informative discussion. I would never have taken a look at anything connected with the CFS series had it not been explained here in detail. I'm guessing I'm not the only one either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 04:51 PM

The problem is that the O.F.F. team seems to regard this forum as their personal advertising board. Just about every thread here turns into an O.F.F. advertisement/discussion/argument.

As for the modification itself, unless it managed to get around the no-accelerated-stalls aspect of M.S.F.S., I can't begin to take it seriously. A simulator without accelerated stalls is no simulator at all.
Posted By: Polovski

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 06:48 PM

 Originally Posted By: ETwit
 Originally Posted By: Polovski
rather than hijack this thread



Don't sweat the highjack...it wasn't as much a serious inquiry as it was a random act in passing, born out of boredom. It turned out to be a rather informative discussion. I would never have taken a look at anything connected with the CFS series had it not been explained here in detail. I'm guessing I'm not the only one either.


no worries ETwit I meant me rather than you, but thanks anyway.

Well I have stalled various ways in Phase 3 Benny, there are a gadzillion other great things that are in there too btw.. but each to his own, if you don't want to fly it then don't for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 07:17 PM

Your response indicates that you are unsure of what exactly an accelerated stall is. That leads me to believe that my suspicion is correct and accelerated stalls are not modelled in O.F.F.
Posted By: Brigstock

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 07:27 PM

 Originally Posted By: ETwit
..or am I doomed to having had Red Baron as the only WWI flight sim I ever knew.

Even as great as it was....as great as the SPs have been... after 18 years I have 'bout had enough.

The above was in the original post, therefore a pointer to OFF was wholly on topic and not misplaced. Pol you haven't hijacked nothing. I can see only one hijacker and it ain't you

I don't understand your problem Benny, OFF is hardly mentioned in this forum. This being one of the few threads that it is. I've seen you run down IL2 because of your anal obsession for accelerated stalls. Is it that you will troll every sim forum on SimHq looking for bites on this accelerated stall issue of yours. Perhaps it's time you learnt to program and developed your own accelerated stall sim!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 07:33 PM

I don't think I addressed you, Brigstock. At any rate, nearly every thread in the Knights of the Sky forum has that Rama fellow advertising Over Flanders Fields.

You are a fool for thinking (as nearly all simulators users and developers do) that accelerated stalls don't matter. I have little more to say about that to you, as clearly your mind is made up and nothing will help you see the truth of the matter. If you don't care for real flying, that's your problem.

I consider your post a lot more "trollish" than my own. I generally attack simulators (or aspects of them) rather than posters, unless provoked. You seem to be a "fanboy," however; that is, one who attacks any poster who points out a problem with his favorite simulator, regardless of any truth in the accusations.

P.S. My post was not, as you accused, a "hijack;" it was a direct response to the post above mine.
Posted By: Brigstock

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 08:05 PM

I just find it funny you would judge a sim on it's ability to model accelerated stall correctly, never any mention of arrival stalls or departure stalls. If it just that one aspect you feel defines a sim, that will leave you very limited to what you can actually play. As for not addressing me, I'm part of the forum membership here, you put a statement into the public arena. It is not email here, it is a public forum. You made a remark that needed addressing and I addressed it.
As for hijacking, I feel you did, we weren't discussing accelerated stalls, we were pointing someone to an alternative for RB while KotS is being developed.

You made some sweeping statements, which are not true. The OFF team do not spam this forum with adverts. As far as I know only Pol frequents/posts here on behalf of the team, and that is only to answer questions relevant to OFF raised within this forum. I also think your "nearly every thread" is a wild exaggeration. I do not see "nearly every thread" ending in an OFF advert.

You're clearly venting/trolling
Posted By: Ming_EAF19

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 09:02 PM

I like hearing about other WW1 sims in this WW1 forum it's not a competition

Ming
Posted By: Brigstock

Re: So Then - 06/02/08 09:16 PM

Quite right Ming!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: So Then - 06/03/08 01:19 AM

 Originally Posted By: Brigstock
I just find it funny you would judge a sim on it's ability to model accelerated stall correctly, never any mention of arrival stalls or departure stalls.


Almost all simulators model slow stalls well enough (and have for at least twenty years). But nearly all simulators ignore accelerated stalls altogether. The few that model them at all almost invariably model them very poorly. I've only seen two which do them even reasonably convincingly.

What's more, accelerated stalls are the kind of stalls which are commonly encountered in dogfights. Most virtual pilots constantly get themselves into accelerated stalls when learning to maneuver. I think it took me about a year to altogether stop accidentally stalling in turns and loops. And let's not forget that accelerated stalls can be used as a combat maneuver (and not just a last-ditch effort to make the other fellow overshoot). I do it on a semi-regular basis, depending on what aircraft I am flying and how much of an energy advantage I have. And even if you don't stall, your opponents often will.

The prevalence of accelerated stalls in dogfights makes simulators' dismissive treatment of them all the more unforgiveable. I've said this many times, and I'll say it again: stalls are such a basic, elemental part of flight that any simulator that doesn't model them well isn't much of a simulator. If your stalls are wrong, your whole flight model is wrong.

As for O.F.F., I seem to be confusing this Knights of the Sky forum with the official Gennadich Knights of the Sky forum. It was on that forum that every thread had Over Flanders Fields advertisements (because there were only a few threads), by Rama. This forum only has them in many of the recent threads. Either way, it gets irritating. I come here to look for news of Knights of the Sky, not a modification for an unrealistic old simulator.
Posted By: FlyRetired

Re: So Then - 06/03/08 01:40 AM

Benny, Rama didn't advertise OFF on GT's forum, so I think you have your names confused.

There's nothing really wrong with seeing and hearing a bit more about OFF here, as it's WWI related, and since we've had nothing lately about KOTS it's good to have a little topical chatter in the meantime anyway.

No sim is perfect either, but we ought to give credit to those teams who do produce good work, and continue to do their best.

(should expect no more or no less consideration for other projects too)

Besides, some of OFF's media is pretty stunning (and I'm sure a lot of other flight sim fans think so also).



Here's a similar view from a painting of Hans von Keudell's Halberstadt fighter done by artist Jerry Boucher (web image).

Posted By: Rama

Re: So Then - 06/03/08 11:59 AM

I never advertized OFF on any forum (GT or another)... I never even played OFF... ;\)

Benny Moore is probably confusing my pseudo with another... which isn't a surprise... he's quite confused in his writings... including about stalls... ;\)
Posted By: Polovski

Re: So Then - 06/03/08 12:04 PM

 Originally Posted By: Benny Moore
Your response indicates that you are unsure of what exactly an accelerated stall is. That leads me to believe that my suspicion is correct and accelerated stalls are not modelled in O.F.F.


You can make whatever assumptions you like Benny - and base more assumptions on top of your assumptions. That makes it all true of course.

Stalls occur in Phase 3 from violent combat manoeuvres. As I said, I have seen them in various situations. But the other hundreds of good features are good too.

Maybe best thing maybe to actually wait until Phase 3 is actually out before criticising it. Same applies to KOTS.
Posted By: Tbag

Re: So Then - 06/03/08 12:25 PM

P3 really looks stunning! Will it be possible to play online as well?
Posted By: Polovski

Re: So Then - 06/03/08 07:08 PM

Hi Tbag thanks, you can play online (even Phase 2 you can do that). Only downer is MS turned off the multiplayer servers so now you have to arrange a meet and fly by direct IP address. Something the "Boys of 60" group do often (see our sim-outhouse forum for that).

KOTS I read will have good multiplayer too so something to look forward to there too.


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