I smell vapors

I started following this thread in 06 was told the game would be ready end of that year ,then first of 2007 then summer 2007 then first of 2008 and now end of this year . Not gonna happen . ...

*sniff...sniffffff...* hmmm, you could be right.
The Fokker DR I for the FSX ist just an appeasement to hide the fact, that the KOS - project is already dead and gone. May this is just a conspiration theory to upset the fans ...or more? Who knows?

Sit tight and dont forget about seatbelts, but you need some patiense, its not an easy task

It was a long war too, and the battle for Fidelity Heights I'm sure hasn't been an easy one.

(All Quiet On The Western Front.......but the build-up goes on)

It'll be delivered before Christmas

VikS in England in WW1 time, people famously and sadly incorrectly used to say "It'll all be over before Christmas" - roleplaying

Ming

Haha! Spot me a year matey! Notwithstanding that when each Christmas comes around I'm all in favour of changing my religion to something vaguely Oriental...

Nothing that GW Bush could object to I hasten to add...................................

Over 200,000 British citizens claimed Jedi nationality at the 2001 census, claiming Arthur C. Clark as their spiritual CEO or it might have been Yoda

Wait let me check my facts that doesn't sound right

390,000

Which one of you three is Jedi one of you must be even qualifying only as a random statistic. Speak proudly let him <rebbit>

Ming

We shouldn't listen to the 'doom and gloom' brigade.. It's coming. 'Have a little faith baby'.. lol!!

So what will come out first?
KoTS
SoW
Flying Tigers
Battle of Britian II with online play
European Air War new execute (by player's group)

Who knows, but that's a list worth dreaming for Uriah!

We shouldn't listen

We don't Trooper we ignore the bollocks. Like this cheating rubbish. Let them cheat it just makes the combat more interesting. "But they can find your position on the map" - good it saves me going looking for them. "But they have higher-punch weapons" - good now I'll have to fly better to keep out of the way of the rounds. And so on. We don't pick planes so as to gain an advantage based on the climb rate or fire power. We leave that to the 109 drivers <runs away>

That's a cool list there Uriah, the race is on

My money is on KotS. FM already in there, small number of planes and the terrain already looks sorted. Unless they've seen Slovakia and decide to go for a more realistic feature-creeping terrain. Another million objects to move around the board

BoB: feature creep leads to gridlock when land girls and horny soldiers cause nine months delay as midwife model production fails to keep up with demand "They should never have animated them"

The Routemaster now seems so very long ago and you'd think that the London bus would be the very last object to build. The cherry on the cake "We finished the Routemaster" = signed off

Ming

Good list!!!

Oh yeah, gotta believe in logic like that...

Talking of logic, why would a developer, who has a sim apparently in limbo, and with many interested would-be purchasers wondering whether they have the means to finish and launch the sim, issue a plane for us to fly in an existing flight sim engine -ie. FSX?

To prove that the plane and scenery runs well in FSX?

Is it such ridiculous speculation to wonder if KOTS buyers will need FSX too?

why would a developer, who has a sim apparently in limbo, and with many interested would-be purchasers wondering whether they have the means to finish and launch the sim, issue a plane for us to fly in an existing flight sim engine -ie. FSX?

I downloaded the KotS FSX terrain and DR1 (and patch) for free when gennadich told me I could pick it up as a Christmas present (or at least as a freebie) for their loyal supporters. Why they did that is to look at the teeth of a horse that's given as a present

To prove that the plane and scenery runs well in FSX?

If so, they proved it. Now I have even more confidence that KotS will sell like hotcakes to the RB3D community (especially) and also the Il-2 community and the EAW community and the FSX community. You can half-close your eyes flying FSX and imagine that gorgeous gennadich terrain below. Almost there.

"Why do people use wind tunnels can't they just send up a kite and see what happens?" - bit naive perhaps

Is it such ridiculous speculation to wonder if KOTS buyers will need FSX too?

It's not ridiculous speculation no. Speculation is another word for opinion, everyone's entitled. Because opinions don't cost anything everyone has one. Building a flight simulator must incur a cost to the developers though, not least in confidence. So they probably need morale-boosters and stuff like that, it's a long road apparently

Ming

I think the FSX add-on Triplane satisfied a desire that the development team wanted to issue some sort of work preview before Christmas, which they had hinted at, and which they accomplished.

The development process over the past half year has also accompanied negotiations which for obvious reasons we haven't been privy to.

Using FSX as the add-on's demonstration platform taps into a large potential part of the aviation sim market also.

In the end we will get KOTS depending on the drive, the enthusiasm, and the fortunes of the project developers, and nothing we speculate about here much affects that progess (which is probably a good thing).

Hilarious, we get what ammounts to a simple flyable demo and still people find something to moan about.

I just view it as clever advertising, using an open sim engine that probably a good proportion of the target audience have available. I bet there's plenty of people in the FS community been made aware of GT's existance by this release.

Now where's that Camel

Sorry about that, I'm really gassy today.

I'm not moaning - just speculating. Personally, I wouldn't mind at all if KOTS became an FSX add on.
If the devs can produce such quality planes and especially such quality scenery in FSX then we would be "quids in". If, in dogfights, FSX could still provide the FPS, then it would be fine.
Or, the devs could use their own exclusive engine.
Doesn't matter, either way.

But do please look up the meanings of the words speculation and moaning.

Actually you're touching on one of the hoped attributes of KOTS Cas, that it'll be a high-fidelty flight simulation first and foremost, as well as a great combat sim!

If the KOTS Team can fold-in as much piloting fidelity into the sim, and layer onto this the airmen's combat experience, then the immersive purpose of flying and fighting in the Great War will be well served. To a large extent the ability to master one's plane, allows one to master one's environment, and then to attempt to master one's opponent(s).

There is a meaning in the madness sometimes, and much of this has to do with setting the correct tempo of air combat. Too little requisite piloting skill has meant the tempo of previous incarnations have been too "compliant" to find a better term. Whatever terms one wishes to use, enabling the aerial battlefield so that the sky's environment plays its role, and the neccesary cockpit effort requires its part, then hopefully the tactics of engaging the enemy will make sense, as difficult/rewarding as that might be.

Viks doesn't exists...and I've never met him in real life


(I should not post picture that I took of not him with not me standing together at secret location X )

Is that the one with the two of you, a pumpkin and a deep-sea diver's outfit I thought the police seized all the copies

Ming

My post wasn't directed at you Cas, or I'd have quoted you. I meant it more as a punt at the vapourware comments earlier up the thread.

Speculations entertaining, if you've read my posts in here and in the Maddox BOB and ED Black Shark forums (I get about) you'll see plenty of it. Aimless "when's it out" or "this product doesn't exist" comments are just dull.

Guys, please......

There are going to be camels? If there are going to be camels then they better include dromaderies as well. Otherwise the whole immersion factor will be out the window. Everyone knows the Zouave regiments had replaced most of their camels with the single-humpers by 1916.

Camels? Bah.

DH-2 and Pups have more allure.

Vigorous pushing and gentle (not to powerful) pulling is the desired action and has proven to be the most appealing.

Silk scarf notwithstanding.

December, 2005.
Please ignore the ugliness on the following pages between Crop and I, however.

I called it

What exactly did you call? Half a year ago I had stick time in it....but wait...you called it

Well, I think I will be in Nirvana for the first month after it is released....

I had stick time in it

Thanks for that encouraging note Sim. Same here Dart. I'm starting to think of this period as a time when gennadich is pulling everything together for the big push to gold. Like our soccer team lately when we took on a military-style manager. Shows we're up for it.

Gennadich is up for it and with a following wind they'll make a fortune from RB fliers, re-invest it in developing addons for SoW, virtuous circle

Ming

By Christmas FlyRetired !!!! Are you serious . That's the 3rd time I've heard that about this game . There just isn't enough following for this time frame.
I want it to come out more than anyone and have 2 brothers that want it badly also. One built one of those Sopwith Camels by Hasegawa for goodness sakes. But it's not coming out .Sorry .

Let it go. Either that or keep it all in one thread. Whether we believe KotS is dead or alive won't be affected by constant pointless discussion.

I don't understand your statement above or your anxiety about the developement of Knights Of The Sky?

I've never made any statement predicting when KOTS will be released, and the only indication I've made in the past months is that the designers had stated they hoped to forward us some information by this Christmas past, which they did with the release of their free FSX Fokker Dr.I triplane add-on. Additionally, I'll never tell any of you information that has been told to me in confidence about Knights Of The Sky, past, present, or future, until I'm allowed to do so.

If you read posts here, you'll realize that information I've given concerning the KOTS development process has already been stated by a design member on some other outlet, as in an interview or on another forum, and yes, despite the concerns now going on, I still don't feel obligated to allay anyone's fears.

So if you don't understand what "work continues" and "be patient" means, then there's not much additional reason to try and soothe your anxiety. The timetable for KOTS development is not based on anyone's wishful desires, but on the hard work required that the developers creating this combat flight sim have put into their project.

That's pretty much the bottom line (it's not a statement, but a process).

He had three brothers last time which one is this or has there been a terrible accident

Ming

Oooh, the merge thread function works!

Good work .

Nice work and can you merge in all the other whining please Dart

Yep ending up with just one gigantic thread that's what stays the moderator's hand. That and the pink fluffy handcuffs

Ming

Isn't one gigantic thread where we started from?

Then the cries for a whole new forum came up from the masses, so it was made.

And the entire content of the new forum could be merged into just one thread.

Must have been some real head bangers.

Isn't one gigantic thread where we started from?

Usenet yep

DNA can be amplified and drawn into a thread like silk, proteins. There's your one gigantic thread we started from. And crossword clue of course.

Drawn into threads, story of our lives. We try to resist <starts chanting>

Ming

No, no, it was New Wave.

Sort of kindly description: Punk Rock for kids who still love their mothers.

Less Kindly, from my Mom at the time: "Oh, it's Country sped up and played with computers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQyClNEfncg


Goodness, I love those early movie videos. Nobody knew what they were supposed to be like, MTV still played music, and they were for entertainment as much as commercialism. Or maybe they thought that commercialism through entertainment was a good technique.

We seemed to be less the angry young men and more the bored-but-looking-for-truly-harmless-fun young men.

And we could definately relate to "turning Japanese." Rural Alabama isn't exactly the center of permissiveness.

'Turning Japanese' was them, was it? Wish you hadn't mentioned that as now I'm going to be humming it all day .

Oh I think I saw them on Saturday Night Live way back when.

That tune did stick in your head for sure.

You guys must have some strong stuff mixing with those vapors . Next Christmas ??? Flyretired . Tired of waiting on this thing with no positive signs .

What about the Battle of Britain game ? Or any other WW2 WW1 game coming out or just out .

This whole forumn is about Knights of the Sky and therefore discussing wheter or not it even is going to exist can be in any thread or many of their own . You see the topic if you aren't interested don't read them .

Well Flyretired it wasn't you . Was Ming but the be patient thing doesn't help much either . I know it's hard work and I know it takes patients but why weekly update and then nothing ???? Like I said before it's better to delay the game a few months and take that extra time and throw the kids a bone once in awhile .

If I was developing a game or anything for that matter I would keep interested parties informed .

To just expect people to sit around and be patient is not fair to customers .

Folks, I'm going to continue to merge new threads that are really just replies to this one until I get annoyed.

Then I'm going to merge them and then edit comments to something downright snarky.

Could I have an example of a snarky comment? It sounds....snarky

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In nature, a babboon will show it's rear end to everyone else for a couple reasons: because it's changed color, which is a neat trick, and to impress the opposite sex.

On the Internet, people do the same thing. But they don't have a good reason for it: they just want to show their rear ends to everyone.



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The Psychiatrist Is [ IN ]

Tired of waiting on this thing

Travelling hopefully is better than arriving

It's not really waiting is it. Already being thirsty and standing around until the water lorry arrives is waiting.

It's more luxuriating in the thought of flying over the Somme soon with the sun sparking off the water trying not to plough through the cooling clinging low-lying morning mist rising. Blipping the throttle and turning to follow a railway line, thumbs-up to a friendly farmer neck muscles finally warming up and ducking down to pancake on some foreign field

On the Internet... they just want to show their rear ends to everyone

And this surprises you why. It's either bird-watching or butt-watching your choice. Why not enjoy yourself and make a feature out of it, have you learned nothing from your wife

Ming

Well "patience" and "patient" are often related.

To paraphase a recent statement by GT/neoqb's FB LOFT:

However, what to make? Oleg proposes as one of the versions the theme of the First World War. We study and we find the possibilities interesting. We obtain the code of IL2 and we take up work.

In all of us, the programmers, in the designers, in the artists, we had the ambition, and certainly the creativity. And here in the Spring of 2006 we began the development of our own simulation.

After 2 years of development, the results only approached the completion of the sim's Engine. There is no game yet to speak of. As a result of this, the leadership faces the fact that there is an insufficiency for continued financing. We ate the chosen budget but without material results. After difficult considerations the leadership makes the decision to work without money (which involved some 20 team members), while the search for new investors continued. It was half a year before a new investor was found.

Now we find ourselves at the stage of a change in companies. It does not simply depend on the leadership's drive, but on business demands, and these can be as wild as nature, and it is necessary to survive from these early beginnings, where 90% of all projects fail, especially if a project is presented to a publisher prematurely, which often occurs in the Russian market in particular.

All proceeding events have turned out positive now, we survived and now actually have more experience as a result.

That's the entire but brief history of the GT company, and now the remaining membership of GT becomes part of the new company, forming part of the history of neoqb.

Rough and tumble for sure, but these guys always displayed great drive and ambition (and maybe that bit of luck too).

(I'm sure official details will follow)

It is silly to speculate. Be patient - that's what GT is telling us. So be patient.

when the Holy Grail is in sight, it is hard to be patient.

I came too late to the party for the Red Baron series, but had a blast with Rowan's fling with WWI era engagements.

To have a high fidelity equivalent of that,,,well.

LOL, I have been told on a number of occasions that I make her feel "uncomfortable" by the way I'm looking at her. Especially when she's in her little workout gig. Always a lady, it's not overtly racy or anything, but dang if it doesn't send the mind to carnal places.

And "showing one's @ss" is a Southernism. You know, like in Birmingham. The one with the steel mills that have mostly shut down.

Piper S! Where you been ?

Google in - Over flanders field - and download it. WW1 it is and beautiful. And free.

We've been talking about FSX Cas, does OFF run under FSX? Hope so I've just got FSX for the KotS addon, very nice too it is

I have run OFF a while back, didn't like it much under the earlier MSFS. But we're running out of options

Ming

I tried OFF again with the latest update, but had trouble getting the downloads to work. I may have gotten one of a few hoops I had to jump through wrong. Cas are they contimplating a single installer for their latest work.

To clear up any confusion, OFF (Over Flanders Field ) is an add on for CFS3. Not FS9 or FSX.
Having said that, the add on becomes like a stand alone sim. It looks nothing like CFS3 and is light years away ( ahead ) of CFS3.
It is probably the best looking flight sim there is , so far.
You will need to have CFS3, which you load and run a flight ONCE. Then you install OFF ( which you have downloaded , for free!)
Then you play the WW1 sim and enter battle - Quick flight combat, missions and a dynamic campaign, whichever you wish - about ten planes each side to choose from.
trackir 6DOF runs superbly in the sim.
The low down terrain graphics are better than any sim, including FSX.

There are straightforward, clear install instructions on the Over Flanders Field website.
It was written for, and runs best on, XP, but will run on Vista also.

The present version is called Phase 2. That version is free, as i have already said.

There is an improved version reasonably imminent, which will be payware- nominal.
It will be distributed on DVD and will thus be a straightforward install from the DVD.
It will still need CFS3 loaded to use it.
As I understand it, it is hoped by the Devs that the funds realized from the sale of Phase 3 will
enable a version to be written on its own " engine", thus eliminating the requirement to use CFS3.

The main website forum for OFF is at Sim Outhouse forums. Look for the CFS3 forum and it is a sub- forum of that - which i venture to suggest is a bigger forum than the CFS3 one ! -lol.

HTH

Well tired of hearing "This Dec" for the last 2 years and now again. Game isn't coming out.
What other games are out there in flight sim arena worth playing . Is the Battle Of Britain game coming out or is it a vapor fume also.
How about the Pacific area??

as I said before...

So what will come out first?
KoTS
SoW
Flying Tigers
Battle of Britian II with online play
European Air War new execute (by player's group)

Flying Tigers has been postponed

(yawn)

It's so simple fearless - if KotS is not coming out then you don't need to post or look at these forums ever again, do you?

tired of hearing

He means he's tired of reading unless he's getting an earful over Teamspeak...

"Will you guys shut up about KotS!"

<silence>

You have to hear I suppose, earplugs being anti-social but are you quite sure you need to read

Or write for that matter

Ming

Z Z Z Z Z zzzzzz!

Well tired of hearing "Game isn't coming out"
Except I'm reading (well pointed out Ming ) the same old pointless rubbish from the same poster.

It's having all that flight-sim group backstory Brigs, there's not much point in getting how do you spell aeriated- we've got the aeriation but no one knows how to spell it lol it's enough to get one aeriated. Is it a British thing. Anyway a tizzy. Not to get into one. But it's understandable that the accumulation, the attrition, the weight of low morale with no news from the front, one's sorely tempted to go colloquial and ask gennadich to throw us a bone here. Not one's style though, not upfront anyway. One slips in the pressure for updates where one can, does one er, not

Twanging the elastic and going off at the developer never makes an impression, best have a plan. Mine is to infiltrate Are We There Yet threads in an effort to exert more credible pressure on our developer to understand how a little goes a very long way. A screenshot is worth a thousand words. More in China. A shot of a plane in a field is hardly passing vital information to the enemy...

Market forces. See while they've been developing these two fantastic-sounding and possibly up-coming sims we've been getting legal degrees and boning up on the power of consumer pressure groups

Ming

I agree Ming.

Just a word every two weeks or so would probably work for most (but then some just end up being too high maintenance).

I do trust VikS FR, thanks mate that's reassuring although I haven't considered that we won't be getting it eventually, gennadich has the bulldog spirit I think they'll grind it out and maybe they'll be surprised at the large number of copies they'll sell. People are finding out about the power of immersion. Matrix-like

Knocking about in system housekeeping today I found the KotS tech demo download with the Dr1 and self-shadowing. Copied it to every drive on my system just in case. Absolutely beyond comparison I can't wait to fly this one there's such a realistic feel, the terrain looks miles better than Microsoft's terrain-net version which I'm sure is more accurate if the KotS terrain net is based on Oleg's rolling acres. But anyway even without digital elevation (sharp corners) it looks proper combat-flight-sim realistic like the Looking Glass WW2 sim promised but <whimper>

Ming

I agree Ming...people will still use the vapor theory add-nauseum, thinking that the KOTS team will jump in here and prove it ain't so. It annoys the bejeezus out of me, but secretly hope that they succeed.

Chivas........the ole squeaky wheel gets the grease because the crying wolf says the sky is falling approach (and it works too).

Well, I missed one.

'Wings over Israel' from 'Third Wire' just came out.

And while you are waiting if you want to bother you can try 'First Eagles'.

It will help the long wait until KOTS comes out.

Did you even try all the flyables in Il-2 1946?

Why, yes. Yes I have. From the crappiest flugesplane to the uberest uber plane.

As I've said elsewhere, if they were to simply offer a demo with one or two planes...for a fee! It would shut the pieholes and give us something to wrangle till release.

I see KOTS- to the left you'll see the Wings with Wires...over there...to the right.. just in front of BoB and the 4.09 patch

Oh the humanity!

I called that the sim was never going to be released.
I firmly stand by that.
Now if I could just get my money from Crop, we can delete this entire forum.

Oh the negativity morelike.. Whats the point in posting?
You either believe and have a positive outlook.. Or you don't, in which case if you are that negative, why even bother your arse to post?

I would say there is a third option. You want to believe and you used to have a positive outlook but it's been so long and so little information.

So you post something that might be negative. It's not like we can discuss anything about the latest information we have been given. So people will discuss other things...

Carakanz

I think is important to write things like this, we as the potential buyers should know if the product is not going to happen, the developers sure read this forums,so what is the point of keeping us in a positive outlook as you say, if they already know the sim is cancelled!, and for the contrary, if they are working in the sim, but dont want to release any videos, screeshots for whatever reason they have (ala SoW BoB), they should tell the consumers that they have some reasons to not reveal the status of the sim but that they are working hard on it. Is that hard to comunicate with the sim community?

And the developers do continue to reassure us periodically, as I posted on the first page of this thread three days ago:



That is all.

(then the transmission went dead)

Merged.

It's kind of fun putting all the "this sim is dead" threads into one big one.

Maybe it's due rationalisation but I was flaming myself for twenty minutes before I realised it was me

Ming

Otherwise known as:

I smell vapors

I smell whining

I smell teen spirit

Whatever you guys are smoking it mixes well with the vapors

I actually owned an album from the Vapors

Um, the Vapors sorta sang about "banging heads"

Out by Christmas !!!! What year ??? Suggestions needed for another game .

Stop making new threads that are just replies to another.

Since this game is dead what are other options ?

Oh, and now......The Undead Thread!

You forgot the 'I'm fed up waiting and just want other people to know I'm fed up waiting' thread..

Well, since this seems like all we can do at the moment while we wait for some official news on KOTS. (done)

I wonder if and when we get the effort to officially introduce NEOQB and KOTS again after all these months, whether Dart will be one of the first to know, and whether he'll get a chance to prepare an interview for us shortly thereafter. If so, I think he'll be well-positioned to ask questions that'll clear up why we've had to endure so long without developer feedback, and after we had become so fond of the weekly KOTS previews we enjoyed getting.

It should prove to be an interesting interview (be sure to sharpen your pencil Dart).

Otherwise it's rude. And why are the topics removed. Lose a lot of time I could be playing KOTS looking for them .

Just ignore

Yes but they get too deeply buried.

What else have we to do .

Sim keep your pants on please.

I have been patient for over 2 years now . Why not show us some updates regardless how small .

Not sure , what is out now that is a good WW2 sim . I know of CFS3 over the Pacific and IL 2 with all of it's add ons. Are these pretty good?

Can't say too much about the others but Red Baron 2 3 D was great would play it till the dawn on Fri and Sat night .Got 2 brothers and 3 friends into it . Haven't found anything to me that compares yet. Have bought Promised Land (couldn't get it to work ) some other one that was goog but the horizon looked like you were playing in a fishbowl. Looked forward to Knights Over Europe for a long time then it got cancealed and unfortunatly feel this one won't come out either . My brothers keep asking when it is coming out . They don't believe me anymore.

Hope springs eternal . Like Telly S in Kelly's Heros . I asked some questions about other games .

So you'll be here 10 years from now.
I was asking about other games .

All the "where is this sim" threads are moved to the mega thread.

More reading and less starting new threads.

The developer needs to let us know something . That's the way to treat potential buyers.

Exactly, just a bite or two from the carrot but don't expect me to plow the field without even a nibble now and then .

It should never get to the point that someone has to "bait " them . Which I wasn't . Seriously I think they "Got out of Dodge" a long time ago.

Thank You . I will look at First Eagles.

Now I like this guy !!!!

You forgot Knights Over Europe and B-17 the Mighty Eight (MP)

Another guy with half a brain . ( Moe from Three Stooges) Meant as a compliment . I like this guy also.

It's called venting .After waiting for 2 years for another dud. Why read the threads when you can see the header?

The terrible bit is that the last decent WWI simulation was built for Glide of all things.

So it's IL-2: 1946 and all biplane servers.

Man, I just love seeing all these ignored posts from fearlesslds.

Yes, recommended!

So a round of cheer

(works for our Russian friends)

lol.. Just increasing his post count bless im!

I'm liking this merged post topic idea.

I was finding it difficult to keep tabs on all the "Are we there yet?" iteration posts that are so important in gleaning information about the progress of KOTS.

Good spoken word. Should I clap or snap my fingers now?

S!

Scott

You looking for something good to play- Forget WW11, stick with WW1 and have a look at this

And this is definitely coming !

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=63828
PHASE3: PREVIEW MOVIE and FEATURE LIST available <<< - Sim-Outhouse Forums


Enjoy!

Flippin eck.. That looks extremely good!!

OFF is not going to be vaporware I'm thinking as they delivered before.

Very nice preview movie thanks!

Ming