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#696099 - 05/17/06 08:20 PM I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I just got my win98/voodoo 3 machine running and RB looks great!

633Mhz
512M RAM
Voodoo 3 16M
30 GB Hard drive

Rescued the poor thing on it's way to a dumpster.

I just have not been able to get into OFF the way I can RB.


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#696100 - 05/18/06 02:45 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Nice find, Colonel! I returned to RB again after some time with helicopter and jet sims. My old CRT went bad, and after some trepidation, I replaced it with a Samsung LCD, and it works real well. RB looks bright and crisp!

It is still a great game, from the first briefing board to the post-game video.


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#696101 - 05/18/06 12:25 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Greetings, I tried OFF, Looks good, but I think it has a long way to go yet, maybe in time I will try it again. Till then it's RB3D with the Hell's Angels Patch by OVS.

#696102 - 05/28/06 05:46 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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For me, nothing will replace RB3D's campaign gameplay. It can't be done. I run HASP, WFP and ROTJ III.
OFF will be good second choice to see the plane models really well done. That is I can do some flying without pausing every three seconds to check a keyboard chart!


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#696103 - 05/29/06 03:13 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Skiddmark:
I can do some flying without pausing every three seconds to check a keyboard chart!
I know what you mean. Learning a new set of key commands is absolutely my single greatest obstacle to learning a new sim. With RB3D I don't even have to think about it.

How is WFP working for you? In the more recent versions, I began to get CTD's in late '16 and early '17. Pat couldn't find anything wrong, but now I only play Hell's Angels. HA pretty much satisfies me since Otto put the Voisins and Caudrons in for the French.


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#696104 - 05/29/06 05:34 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Simply assign the keys to the preferences you like so that you will not need to learn new key combinations. You're not stuck with the default settings - it just takes 10mns to change that.

#696105 - 05/31/06 03:38 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Birdbrain: Admittedly, WFP has been sitting dormant for a while since I've been trying some various other games on my new machine which I was about 4 years behind on. There's always at least occasional DTD's with any RB3D UOP for me, usually due to memory issues(it doesn't matter how much you have available, RB can't make use of it,WFP a little more than most, but flyable, and better if you keep it to about 2 missions then quit.
bzhyoyo: True, except I would like one-key assignments for what you can only get with cycle-views in CFS3 (some, so far, I don't even know what they are for - cockpit,chase and player to target I've managed to figure out). My favorites in RB3D are F1,F2,F3,F8. Then I like to use F4 after F8 to see who the enemy is flying with, stuff like that you can't do in CFS3 BUT -- it's just a matter of getting used to it and making the best of what you're given, as the ole saying goes, "One must be able to acquiesce cheerfully in the dispensation of Providence." (or M$ as the case may be)


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#696106 - 05/31/06 06:12 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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To my mind OFF is not a patch on RB3D. Great graphics admittedly, but as afar as game play goes forget it.

RB3D rules - especially coupled with WFP. Whch is still my favourite add-on. \:\)

There's lot of talk in the other forums about graphics, game play etc whether that be OFF, or the proposed WWI version of IL-2. But there so deadly dull - all new sims in fact.

In what new sim can you get such immersion as Squadron transfers, where a short vid appears showing you moving. Or a brief vid showing a land offensive, or newspaper headlines for aces shot down, and so on.

This sim has been on my computer (well t's moved to two newer ones over the years) since I bought RB II in 1998. And will stay there. \:\)

Graphics are great, and yes the visual side of new sims is astonishing. And lovely to fly around in. But in the end it's game play that's the winner for me. And no sim after EAW comes close to RB3D. \:\)


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#696107 - 05/31/06 01:34 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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My big disappointment with OFF was the lack of interactivity with the environment. I went down to shoot up some buildings and... nothing. They just sat there while my bullets passed through. If it was RB everything would have been up in flames! The interactive environment of RB is astounding. If you see it and it's man made chances are it can be destroyed. That is a key gameplay element that is carried to a level I haven't seen in other sims. Everything in the game from vehicals to bridges to buildings to gun emplacements to observation balloons is interactive! Its easy to take for granted until you fly another sim and realize it is really rather unique. The amount of work that went into RB striking when you think about it.

#696108 - 06/04/06 07:25 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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My hard drives are packed with games now old and new, from EAW, RB3D and SDOE up to IL2, CFS3 and BOBII:WoV. i have no plans to remove RB3D in the near future.It's still great for WW1 atmosphere and with Hells Angels and FCJ, greatly enhanced.

#696109 - 06/06/06 11:39 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Of course OFF is work in progress..

Campaign will improve lots in Phase2, many objects you can destroy, try rockets or bombs on the buildings?
We have a few suprises too.. hey ho, a reasonable W.I.P. WW1 sim comes along for the first time in er 8 years lets just chuck it away back to RB wahoo!

RB is the finished article with many many years of mods on top of it, just showing it's age about 2 years ago though \:\/
OFF first has to convert a WW2 sim, and we have done that, now we can covert it and make it into something with Phase2.


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#696110 - 06/13/06 04:46 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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how much DD stuff is out there for RB? i see some terrain and objects... what about planes and cockpits?

that is the biggest thing turning me off to RB - the cockpits.

i can and have gotten the glide emulators working, but it still does not look that good. hate to say it, but looks DO add to the immersion factor. that and sound...

what's WFP?

Skiddmark,
you sig links for rensg... are dead.


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#696111 - 06/13/06 06:18 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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If you like WW1, you'll have RB, SDOE and OFF anyway. And don't forget Wings of War, Polovski has done some very nice work taking some of the arcade sting out of that.

#696112 - 06/13/06 04:27 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Steel:
that is the biggest thing turning me off to RB - the cockpits.
Why don't you paint your own? :p








#696113 - 06/13/06 04:34 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Steel:
what's WFP?
Check out this:
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=62;t=001430

#696114 - 06/13/06 05:19 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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re: cockpits. i do not have time, unfortunately. i am a volunteer beta tester for two products, work 60+ hours a week, have a small side business, a yard that needs a lot of work, participate in our on line groups gaming, and am married! i do not think i can carve more time out of my life right now. are those released anywhere?

ah...could not make the connection. thx.

that is one heck of a wiki entry there guys. that is nice work!

is there any of this stuff released for directdraw as opposed to glide? can the graphics be converted from glide to DD? i did see a terrain converter somewhere...

the other thing that probebly keeps any of us in our group from flying RB is the lack of coop. the campaigns would be GREAT coop, as well as just plain old missions. without that it will not catch on in our group. \:\(


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#696115 - 06/13/06 08:42 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
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re: cockpits. i do not have time, unfortunately. i am a volunteer beta tester for two products, work 60+ hours a week, have a small side business, a yard that needs a lot of work, participate in our on line groups gaming, and am married!
A nice list of priorities. Mariage comes last.

These cockpits are a work in progress and intended to go into my homebrew patch. At a later stage they might also be included in existing UOP's available for download.

A DD Terrain is availabe on the Hell's Angels site:
http://www.jamrom.com/hellsangels/
A wealth of downloads can also be found at:
http://www.swwisa.net/
http://www.flybert.net/index.html

#696116 - 06/13/06 11:32 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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huh? wieso werden Sie sowas sagen? Sie kennen mich uber haupt nicht, und mann kann sehen Sie haben keine ahnung...


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#696117 - 06/14/06 10:04 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
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huh? wieso werden Sie sowas sagen? Sie kennen mich uber haupt nicht, und mann kann sehen Sie haben keine ahnung...
It's not a question of knowing you. I just referred to your list. And it was you who mentioned marriage as the final point.

Hey it's just my black sense of humor; finally I am married too. ;\) ;\)

#696118 - 06/15/06 01:26 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Well why not - I'll go ahead and chime in. Been forum hopping the last few days - delphi here, frugals there, SimHQ and even the aerodrome. Free time is a nice thing when you get it.

I for one still fly RB3D. I have four versions installed as of right now. HA, WFP, FCJ and a combo patch of WFP on top of FCJ.

Frankly, the one that sees the most use is still Hell's Angels. I've said it time and again, Stachel just got it right. Looks great, flies wonderfully, and has a sky high frame rate on this new machine. You'd think with a 2 Ghz computer and an Nvidia Fx 5500 card, FCJ would run flawlessly but I still get chuggy frames over the front. HA is effortless. Just turn it on, load up a campaign and go - just right.

The next most used patch is WFP. Seems to make FCJ run more smoothly - I would suspect the improved 3d models in WFP being responsible for the uptick in fps.

I've had the game since 98 too - hasn't left the hard drive - ever.

#696119 - 06/15/06 01:27 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Well why not - I'll go ahead and chime in. Been forum hopping the last few days - delphi here, frugals there, SimHQ and even the aerodrome. Free time is a nice thing when you get it.

I for one still fly RB3D. I have four versions installed as of right now. HA, WFP, FCJ and a combo patch of WFP on top of FCJ.

Frankly, the one that sees the most use is still Hell's Angels. I've said it time and again, Stachel just got it right. Looks great, flies wonderfully, and has a sky high frame rate on this new machine. You'd think with a 2 Ghz computer and an Nvidia Fx 5500 card, FCJ would run flawlessly but I still get chuggy frames over the front. HA is effortless. Just turn it on, load up a campaign and go - just right.

The next most used patch is WFP. Seems to make FCJ run more smoothly - I would suspect the improved 3d models in WFP being responsible for the uptick in fps.

I've had the game since 98 too - hasn't left the hard drive - ever.

#696120 - 06/15/06 01:31 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Here's an old post from my Flight Sim Forum days about a year ago. Thought you all would enjoy seeing what red baron is capable of.

In my seven years of playing this sim, Ive never seen anything like this Sheer Chaos. Im a pilot with Jasta 17 in August of 1917. Our mission was a barrage patrol flying 9 Albatross DVs. After taking off and approaching the lines, our flight spotted a large group of British DH5s, approximately 10 of them flying at low altitude. I wanted to jump them (we would have almost complete numerical parity combined with speed and surprise) but my flight leader decided not to. We flew further along the lines and lost sight of the DH5s. About five minutes later we were pounced by a flight of 10 Spad 7s which were painted green and had British Markings either RFC 19 or 23 would be my guess. They quickly had us on our heels, booming and zooming all over the place. The entire time I worried that we would run into the flight of DH5s as the fight continued. I dived quickly to try and get away from the SPADs as at this point my computer was begging for mercy.

Sure enough, the DH5s caught up with the fight and soon we were desperately outnumbered. 20 to 9 are bad odds any way you slice it. I fought as long as I could, and managed to destroy two Spad scouts. My most impressive kill was a snapshot burst fired at an oncoming DH5 that burst him into flames. Three down but things werent looking good. I watched one wingman collide with an enemy aircraft and break up in mid air. Meanwhile, the odds just kept getting worse and worse. I decided that a tactical, fighting retreat was my only option especially now that I was getting dangerously low on ammunition. I engaged any threat I came across and then dived away to escape as best I could. I could hear my wingmen dying all around me. The allied gunfire was deafening. 20 aircraft almost all shooting simultaneously across the sky was incredible. After about 5 minutes of retreating I was now back on my side of the lines, racing at treetop level for home and completely out of ammo! I had in two, four Spad 7s and four DH5s, all bloodthirsty as hell. I thought about circling back over the lines and letting the grunts open up on them but realized that if they got me and I needed to land, a trench is not a good place to set her down. I was in range of a friendly base and I figured my only chance was to rush there as fast as I could, land and let the ground gunners do their work.

Two or three very anxious moments pass before I see the base in sight and notice a swarm of black dots circling the base. Momentarily I was terrified that we were being ambushed by the combined Allied Air Services but thankfully, and amazingly, it turned out to be a flight of 20 Albatross DVs, all circling the base Half were black and white striped, the other half appeared to be from Jasta 11. I was thrilled when I saw them break out of their holding pattern and tear into the eight allied planes eager to kill me. I cut the engine fast, landed and watched the chaos begin. 20 German planes all eager to tear the hell out of the allied aircraft. My FPS was down in the 7-8fps range so I was glad to be stationary. The tracer fire along with the bullets blackened the sky as this swarm of planes tore into the unlucky (if not foolish) allied pilots. They had no hope and one by one they met their end (beyond satisfying). One Spad was so thoroughly shot to hell that his wings tore right off the plane. A DH5 tried to land while still being shot at by four Albatross scouts and did just fine till he met the trees and broke up. Another Spad burned and slammed into a hanger about 50 yards from my scout. In about three minutes, there was nothing left of them.

But wait, theres more!

A flight of six RE8s stumbled into the area at low altitude, and are now pounced by the twenty Albatross scouts. Another fracas ensues and over the course of the next 8 minutes, the two Jastas tear them limb from limb shooting one up so bad that the wings tore off, the engine was shot out, the landing gear was destroyed, the plane then caught fire and the crew jumped a grand slam if you ask me. The other five were dealt with similarly with the final Harry Tate being chased by all twenty Albatross (again my computer choked to about 4fps). He was blasted apart in the sky and descended slowly into the forest where he blew up. Thus ended the mission. I wanted to attach a mission debrief from Campaign Manager but there were so many impact sites that the program kept crashing when trying to load the debrief.

Unfortunately our resident Ace, Julius Buckler was killed in action, leaving me the highest scoring ace with 19 kills. I scored five of them on this mission.

WFP 7 combined with MissionGen and FCJ makes for some of the most realistic, chaotic and jaw-dropping combat Ive ever seen.

To Pat, Greybeard, and the entire SWWISA crew, Salute and thank you for that incredible experience!


Salute!
Prof

#696121 - 06/20/06 12:00 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Hello all, I am with you guys RB3d WFP HASP still my utmost favorite and with Mission generator amaizing things happen, you really never know what the old gal will thro at you.

Great Report Prof.

And hello to you Skidmark and CaptSopwith, Polovski & Toadvine this is Tickz from Otto's site, I have been getting my name changed to Capt Redde, a name I use everywhere but Otto's, didn't seem worth changing there since he is closing in the near future! :-(

Been trying IL2 without much luck, will prob just go back to RB.

S! all.

#696122 - 07/03/06 10:46 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Hi Redde,
Try OFF if you haven't many RB guys are into it now.. even CaptSopwith above dipped his toes in and is glad he did.

Here's his first impressions of OFF:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=21202


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#696123 - 10/21/06 08:16 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Well, since I don't have the MS CFS that OFF is supposed to work with, I guess I won't be flying OFF. Then again, with RB3D, we don't need no Steenking OFF. ;\)

I generally run WFP 7.1. My only complaint, I want speedometers!!! ;\)


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#696124 - 10/21/06 12:44 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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nice logic : we don't need no steeking cars, as we have horses. :rolleyes:

#696125 - 10/21/06 02:56 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
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nice logic : we don't need no steeking cars, as we have horses. :rolleyes:
Wrong analogy......The correct analogy would be this:

"We already have a Lamborgeni(sp?), so why would we need a Porshe?"


#696126 - 10/22/06 12:15 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Regarding DD users, HASP is completely DD friendly. With the DD terrains and DD friendly Objects (the object patch works in Glide mode too)available also at the HA site, DD is complete. Also at the HA site is a "SLIMPITS" patch which was developed specifically for HASP. It offers more viewing of the environment from the F1 and F2 views, and the F2 views have gunsights. It works in both DD and Glide.
You can't argue with 100 FPS!
For stock RB3D, the "All Planes Patch" from Ren's site ("lowres.vol when unpacked)) is DD and Glide compatible.
I've been trying to update my sig but SimHQ is delivering an error when I try.
BTW, OFF is not less than FANTASTIC,and that's only the incomplete Phase I. Once you get a little practice at it, the keycommands are minimal and effective.
It doesn't replace RB3D, but any WWI combat sim lover will have to have it.
Oh, it's free to try, donations are voluntary!


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#696127 - 10/22/06 08:21 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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The only reason not to try OFF is either a low-end puter or a devotion to another sim that verges on the fanatical.
You may like OFF or not, but refusing to even try it, and making comments about it is what irks me.

#696128 - 10/22/06 02:04 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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RB3D still has a cherished place on my HD. I'm running mainly WFP (which has been amazingly stable for me) and HASP. Haven't had a chance to try out Von Helton's latest yet but I'm sure I will. As for OFF, it has some beautiful models and shows potential, but I just can't get into the campaign yet. It so far lacks that wonderful randomness that the RB3D campaign displays so well. I have high hopes for OFF phase 2 however. Just remember, OFF is still a work in progress.

Also eagerly awaiting the new WWI sim 'Knights of the Sky'. Here's a link if anyone's curious: http://www.gennadich.com/lang/en/

The venerable RB3D... OFF... Knights of the Sky... all in all, not a bad time to be a fan of WWI flight sims.


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#696129 - 10/22/06 03:05 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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The only reason not to try OFF is either a low-end puter or a devotion to another sim that verges on the fanatical.
You may like OFF or not, but refusing to even try it, and making comments about it is what irks me.
No one is saying that, and I *did* try OFF......

1. The menu system is abysmal & has no immersion.



2. The wingmen, for a modern sim, were "do-nothings".....I got the same, or better, from RB's wingmen!



3. No dynamic campaign.


#696130 - 10/22/06 03:36 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I was not refering to your post...

about point 2, mostly true but not always.
point 3 : not dynamic ?

#696131 - 10/22/06 08:01 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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nice logic : we don't need no steeking cars, as we have horses. :rolleyes:
Think of all the oil we'd save!


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#696132 - 10/23/06 01:43 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Originally posted by bzhyoyo:
The only reason not to try OFF is either a low-end puter or a devotion to another sim that verges on the fanatical.
You may like OFF or not, but refusing to even try it, and making comments about it is what irks me.
No one is saying that, and I *did* try OFF......

1. The menu system is abysmal & has no immersion.



2. The wingmen, for a modern sim, were "do-nothings".....I got the same, or better, from RB's wingmen!



3. No dynamic campaign.

The menu system is, well, a menu system. It's functional and not unattractive.
The AI are certainly lackadaisical so far, too predictable and easy to shoot down
I rather think the Campaigns are dynamic in that they are not 'canned'. As in RB3D you don't know what type mission will come up or what you'll run into during the flight. On one flight I was being chased by 6 Alb DIII's and 4 Fokker DRI's and spotted some 4 Spad VII's and 3 Hanriots and led them into each other. It was a wild melee!
I think OFF and RB3D still show promise!
I'm eager to see the new photo terrains for RB3D which are in developement.
I don't know if anybody's ever asked Oleg why he won't produce a WWI flight sim.


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#696133 - 10/23/06 03:04 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I don't know if anybody's ever asked Oleg why he won't produce a WWI flight sim.
He is.....


#696134 - 10/23/06 04:02 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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He's not..


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#696135 - 10/23/06 12:36 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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He's not..
Knights of the Sky is vaporware?

.....Ok, if you say so!

\:D


#696136 - 10/23/06 06:37 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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No, he's just saying the Knights of the Sky will not be using the IL2/FB engine and that Oleg/Maddox 1C has nothing to do with the development of this sim. Time for an update on news ;\)

#696137 - 10/23/06 08:14 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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No, he's just saying the Knights of the Sky will not be using the IL2/FB engine and that Oleg/Maddox 1C has nothing to do with the development of this sim. Time for an update on news ;\)
I frankly don't give a damn, either way.

.....This is *not* the Knights of the Sky Forum.

.....This is not the OFF Forum.

.....This is not the FS-DOE Forum.

No, this is the Red Baron Forum, and on this forum, we talk about RB, not it's (abysmally weak) competition.

There is *no* flight sim, living or dead, that has RB's dynamic campaign. That's not heresay.......

THAT'S A FACT.

.....And as long as that's true, RB is KING!


#696138 - 10/23/06 08:57 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I simply did not wish to have other people be misinformed by your statement. \:\)


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#696139 - 10/23/06 10:12 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I simply did not wish to have other people be misinformed by your statement. \:\)
A WW1 sim using the Il2 engine. No more kevlar. No more DD. No more multi FM/DM.(I hope) No wall riding. No flame boots.


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#696140 - 10/24/06 04:46 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I frankly don't give a damn, either way.
Nice sidestep \:D
So, have fun with Red Baron, I'll have fun with OFF, others will get their kicks from other sims, and everybody will be fine.

#696141 - 10/24/06 05:11 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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RED BARON 3D RULES!!!

Sorry, couldn't help myself. ;\)


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#696142 - 10/24/06 05:25 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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on this forum \:o
Couldn't help either \:D

#696143 - 10/24/06 11:29 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
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Quote:
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I frankly don't give a damn, either way.
Nice sidestep \:D
So, have fun with Red Baron, I'll have fun with OFF, others will get their kicks from other sims, and everybody will be fine.
It's not a sidestep, it's a fact. You remember those.....Those things that cannot be changed.



You wanna talk about OFF? Go to the appropriate forum. Don't spam this one with blather that the vast majority of RBer's don't wanna hear.

Every time this forum gets a little life to it, you baboons from other forums come here & spam this board with RB's competition.

NEWSFLASH: WE DON'T CARE!

Have I went to OFF's forum & spammed it with stuff about RB? No, I haven't. Have I spammed the KoTs Forum? No, I haven't.

When I come to the RB Forum, I want to read about RB, not some other game. If I want to read about OFF, I'll go there.


#696144 - 10/24/06 11:40 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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relax mate,
I'm not going to spam this board unless I read something false that needs to be corrected. Your statement about KoTS was false, and ArgonV was just correcting you, and I just added precisions.

I didn't start this thread btw. So enjoy R3B, I have no issues with that.

#696145 - 10/24/06 09:05 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Every time this forum gets a little life to it, you baboons from other forums come here & spam this board with RB's competition.
Now I remember. This is the guy who got banned.
This thread title has OFF in it. If people want to compare RB to OFF or the coming KoTS, so what?

It isn't for you to decide where it takes place. The Il2 forum has a huge thread in it about KoTS. Nobody is complaining. Nobody is calling anyone baboons or anything else due to it.


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#696146 - 10/24/06 10:16 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Now I remember. This is the guy who got banned.
Correct, I was banned by the very people who spam this board with crap in the past, and who created 7 different threads defaming my character.

These same people caused trouble on numerous *other* boards as well, not just here, and not just me......I have those forums saved to disk.

.....I also recall *nothing* being done to them. Anticipating just such an occurance happening again, I have a lawyer on retainer.

There won't be a repeat performance of what happened on the KOE Forum.......I guarantee it.

\:D

#696147 - 10/25/06 12:36 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I wasn't aware that Andy Bush spammed this board with crap.

lawyer on retainer \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D


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#696148 - 10/25/06 01:40 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I wasn't aware that Andy Bush spammed this board with crap.

lawyer on retainer \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D
I notice that the bulk of your posts are Civil War.....Do you even fly at all?

.....Probably not. I think you're just here to start trouble, so maybe I should e-mail the mods now, and save myself an ulcer later.


#696149 - 10/25/06 08:58 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I wasn't aware there is a civil war forum.


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#696150 - 10/25/06 09:16 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
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Quote:
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Now I remember. This is the guy who got banned.
Correct, I was banned by the very people who spam this board with crap in the past, and who created 7 different threads defaming my character.

\:D
I want to be clear, did you just admit to having been banned from these forums, and are now posting under a different name?


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#696151 - 10/25/06 10:21 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I want to be clear, did you just admit to having been banned from these forums, and are now posting under a different name?
That's quite correct. As I recall, FlyXWire was banned & returned with a slightly different name as well, so are you trying to say that FlyXWire has more rights than I do?


#696152 - 10/25/06 10:30 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I wasn't aware there is a civil war forum.
Not per sey, no, however, that doesn't alter the fact that you don't fly, now does it?

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=120;t=000261;p=1#000011

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=120;t=000261;p=1


#696153 - 10/25/06 10:49 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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If you mean fly real a/c, you are correct. If you mean in a game, then you are, as usual, wrong.

perse or not, you claim that most of my posts are Civil War. Back that up.



I don't have to prove anything to you, but here you go.

At the time, I was a member of 414 under the name of Vader. I was also known as J30 Vader. Now back in J30 as J30 Angelus.

I have never seen you in any RB server


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#696154 - 10/25/06 10:57 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
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If you mean fly real a/c, you are correct. If you mean in a game, then you are, as usual, wrong.

perse or not, you claim that most of my posts are Civil War. Back that up.



I don't have to prove anything to you, but here you go.

At the time, I was a member of 414 under the name of Vader. I was also known as J30 Vader. Now back in J30 as J30 Angelus.

I have never seen you in any RB server
Good, then you won't mind me leaving a message to J30 Hookman to verify your story.

......And the fact that you don't know who I am speaks volumes in regard to RB.


#696155 - 10/25/06 10:58 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Oh, one more thing......If you've never heard of me, how do you know I'm always wrong?


#696156 - 10/25/06 11:09 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Umm, I said I have never seen you in the servers. I never said I've never heard of you.

While you're at it, ask Rein, Mein, Fritzsche, Hans, Vudoux, Gunter, Zane, Chiggy while you're at it.


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#696157 - 10/25/06 11:11 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Quote:
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Umm, I said I have never seen you in the servers. I never said I've never heard of you.

While you're at it, ask Rein, Mein, Fritzsche, Hans, Vudoux, Gunter, Zane, Chiggy while you're at it.
Being done as we speak......I'm waiting on a reply to my post.


#696158 - 10/25/06 11:14 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Umm, I said I have never seen you in the servers. I never said I've never heard of you.

While you're at it, ask Rein, Mein, Fritzsche, Hans, Vudoux, Gunter, Zane, Chiggy while you're at it.
Being done as we speak......I'm waiting on a reply to my post.

http://www24.brinkster.com/jasta30/forums.htm


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#696159 - 10/25/06 11:21 PM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Umm, I said I have never seen you in the servers. I never said I've never heard of you.

While you're at it, ask Rein, Mein, Fritzsche, Hans, Vudoux, Gunter, Zane, Chiggy while you're at it.
Being done as we speak......I'm waiting on a reply to my post.

http://www24.brinkster.com/jasta30/forums.htm
My post is at WOV, but that one will do.

"Von ****head", eh?

.......Guess I'm gonna hafta install another RB so I can fly MMP.


#696160 - 10/26/06 01:02 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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I am saying being banned and coming back under a different name is against site rules and subject to another ban.

Which you are.


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#696161 - 10/28/06 08:14 AM Re: I know everyone appears to be flying OFF, but I don't care...  
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N.H.
As much as I hate to say it BvH is equally famous (or should I saw infamous) for his hot temper (granted, he's been severly provoked elsewhere) on these message boards and for his work modding RB. This makes me sad seeing him banned yet again since I enjoyed flying with him way back when as well as seeing/using his work to improve the game.

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