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#695381 - 12/23/05 03:03 AM Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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With the release of the outstanding Over Flanders Fields, I think RB3D is dead. Kudos to Damon Slye and the Dynamix crew for introducing us to simulation nirvana way back when. But the King is dead, and long live the King, Over Flanders Fields!

It's all OFF on my hard-drive now.


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#695382 - 12/23/05 09:18 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Yes - Red Baron gave ( gives ) many pleasure, but this OFF is something else .
It is sensational. You can see the strong RB influence,BTW.

You guys gotta try it.


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#695383 - 12/23/05 10:11 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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May she rest in peace! So many wonderul hours spent being shot down. This was definitely my all time favourite sim. A thankyou to all who kept her alive for so long with psatches, addons and enthusiasm!

#695384 - 12/23/05 10:40 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I would tend to agree... While RB3d had it's day, I do think that the day of its retirement it comming closer. With OFF, and the updates to follow we should see this gem surpass RB3d in every aspect!

Not to forget, there are 3 other commercial WW1 sims in the works as well!


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#695385 - 12/24/05 12:45 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Yes....I will keep it on my hdd for a while longer, but I guess it is soon time to say a fond farewell!


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#695386 - 12/24/05 11:05 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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While I agree it is slowling down as a game, it sill offers much more than many other games.

Also there is the new FCJ2 coming out now with a revised date of Feb 06, cant wait myself.

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#695387 - 12/24/05 11:51 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I disagree!!

OFF is much too easy IMHO.

Although FM's are acceptable I do
not "feel the crate" like RB. I performed
a near vertical dive in an Albatross and
only got a warning concerning structural
damage.

OFF has a long way to go to match the
diversity of planes, aces, paint schemes,
mid-mission options (autopilot), and overall
immersion. It has great promise but a long
way to go.

Just one man's opinion.

PS. Don't get me wrong. I admire the effort and an an avid player. I am not trying to cast a negative review, it's great. I just don't agree
with the "RB is dead" deal.

#695388 - 12/25/05 06:42 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cowman:
While I agree it is slowling down as a game, it sill offers much more than many other games.

Also there is the new FCJ2 coming out now with a revised date of Feb 06, cant wait myself.

Cowman

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Will FCJ2 have it's own Glide wrapper so no one has to go find one? Will it solve the sound problems? Will it resolve the joystick/controller problems? Will it give us TrackIR compatibility? If it does all of that instead of requiring people to fish around the 'Net for assorted fixes or forgo them altogether, AND if it brings back the music from the original Amiga 500 version, you might have something.


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#695389 - 12/26/05 05:01 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Once OFF matures I honestly see no reason to continue to try and get RB3d to run acceptably on this PC. I have a Voodoo 5 5500 PCI card dedicated for RB3d but I'm thinking of taking it out once OFF Phase 2 is released. There should be more aircraft and a moving front by then. \:D


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#695390 - 12/26/05 05:27 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Yes, RB3D will die for many who have sought the eye candy comensurate with their other modern games. Long overdue, and the result of many of SWWISA members' and other's tireless efforts.
No, RB3D will never die for those who desire the ultimate in WWI combat aviation game design. In that respect, it can never be surpassed, and for many, will never be abandoned. It is unfortunate that such a winning concept lacked the usual advances afforded to other quality classics like DOOM and CFS. RB3D's lack of developemt began before it was even released for sale.
Of all the WWI addons it seems that CFS3/WWI will come closest to the idea of a modern "built for the purpose" WWI sim.
Now I, too, will have to find a copy of CFS3!


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#695391 - 12/26/05 01:01 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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There's one thing that could save it and that
would be the release of the code to the rb3d
community. It's too bad that the owner's are
such skinflints. They are cutting their own
throats too because a fully modded rb3d game
engine would sell more copies of the game.
Think what could be!

#695392 - 12/26/05 02:04 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Well, after having some fun with OFF and getting back into the mood for some WW1 flying I thought it would be great to have a look at my old love RB3d again after all those years without a Voodoo card, just to see if I can have it up and running on my rig and how it compares to the new CFS3 mod.

With the dgVoodoo glide wrapper, the HA patch, OTEs scenery and Rens XP_RB3d start utility it is working without any problems and looks really awesome!
In fact it is so good it is all I play now for several days.
TrackIR support would be the icing on the cake, but thats only a minor complaint since my TIR2 also doesnt work for me with CFS3.

So thank to OFF, RB3d is back from the dead for me these days and it never played better! \:\)


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#695393 - 12/26/05 06:59 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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'TrackIR support would be the icing on the cake, but thats only a minor complaint since my TIR2 also doesnt work for me with CFS3.'

You can get TrackIr 2 to work by using tir_attack

#695394 - 12/26/05 08:50 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Puffin:
'TrackIR support would be the icing on the cake, but thats only a minor complaint since my TIR2 also doesnt work for me with CFS3.'

You can get TrackIr 2 to work by using tir_attack
Thx for the hint, Puffin!
But I tried tir_attack 1.6 together with my TIR2 in CFS3 already and while I got it up and "working " in this sim, the results were not what I was hoping for.
Though I really like TrackIR support in my flightsims I would rather do without it than accept anything below IL-2 FB standards in any of my other sims!


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#695395 - 12/26/05 10:01 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Skiddmark:
Yes, RB3D will die for many who have sought the eye candy comensurate with their other modern games. Long overdue, and the result of many of SWWISA members' and other's tireless efforts.
No, RB3D will never die for those who desire the ultimate in WWI combat aviation game design. In that respect, it can never be surpassed, and for many, will never be abandoned. It is unfortunate that such a winning concept lacked the usual advances afforded to other quality classics like DOOM and CFS. RB3D's lack of developemt began before it was even released for sale.
Of all the WWI addons it seems that CFS3/WWI will come closest to the idea of a modern "built for the purpose" WWI sim.
Now I, too, will have to find a copy of CFS3!
I know exactly what you mean!
But note that OFF looks more like RB3D then other moderns "souless" sims that we now see/have. Actually OFF currently does almost everything that RB3D did/does (like for example the OFF campaign which is very similar if not almost identical to the excelent RB3D campaign) and perhaps even more (for example you have Zeppelins which existed in RB1 and not in RB2/3D, Note the Zeppelins are flyable) but OFF as the definitive advantage of combining all of this with much better/modern graphical engine and flight models.
The only thing that OFF aparently doesn't do YET when compared with RB3D is modeling the pre-1917 part of the war (together with it's associated aircraft) but that will be solved when both phase 2 and 3 of OFF be released. Note that Phase 3 of OFF which is set during the 1914-15 period (the "recon wars") wasn't/isn't modeled in RB3D.
There's an another avantage of OFF (compared with RB3D) which is the ability to fly or man multi station aircraft such as bombers.

So I think and agree that OFF will inded replace RB3D and RB3D will certainly "die" soon. Obviously RB3D was and probably still is the best WWI sim but fortunally with OFF when fully completed (with all it's 3 phases implemented) we will have a more than worthy sucessor of RB3D since it will do what RB3D did and even more but with today's technology which is a thing that unfortually I cannot say from other type/kind of combat flight sims (such as modern and in part WWII combat flight sims).

#695396 - 12/27/05 02:18 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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OFF looks really good. It has made me decide to finally buy a new PC. I've already ordered CFS3 from Amazon. When I get the new PC, a Voodoo V will replace the GF4 in this machine, on which RB3D will remain installed forever.

I had not played for some time, but last night I took a Nieuport 11 up in August of '16 for a patrol. It was peaceful at 3000 kilometers. A trio of Fokkers far below tried to catch up with us, but gave it up. So I patrolled for 20 minutes or so over a supply dump and returned to base. It is still a joy to fly. I know that I will always play RB3D, at least occasionally.

S!


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#695397 - 12/28/05 06:42 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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RB3d will always have a place on the 750Mhz laptop that I keep in the van, so I can get in a long mission, while my wife dashes into the store to get something, which will only take a minute. LOL

#695398 - 12/28/05 11:39 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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The one pain in the butt I always found with RB3D, was (like someone said) the trawling around trying to find this glide wrapper, that Multiplayer patch etc, etc.

I have fond memories of playing the game, but I have bad memories of CTD's, weird graphics effects, and all the other problems associated with older games on newer PC's.

One day, we will no doubt be having this same conversation about OFF perhaps?


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#695399 - 12/29/05 09:30 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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What makes RB3D special to me, and the reason I play it more than any other game is a combination of several reasons. They are its MMP Capabilities, the RB3D Community, the Established Squadrons, the Organized and Structured Events (Red Baron World League Tournaments, Monkey Island Tournaments, War Forces Tournaments, etc), and of course its a great and fun game to play.

I just DL'ed OFF tonight and played it for the first time, and it was a lot of fun. It definitely seems to have potential, but before it could ever replace RB3D for me, it would have to have all the things I mentioned above, and we will have to see if that happens.

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#695400 - 12/29/05 04:51 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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AB1 Gibson?...Very valid points there!
OFF is the new kid on the block, and I am sure that it is good enough to recieve the sort of following that RB3D achieved (and deserved)

Who says that we cant play both anyhow?..lol


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