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#695381 - 12/23/05 03:03 AM Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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With the release of the outstanding Over Flanders Fields, I think RB3D is dead. Kudos to Damon Slye and the Dynamix crew for introducing us to simulation nirvana way back when. But the King is dead, and long live the King, Over Flanders Fields!

It's all OFF on my hard-drive now.


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#695382 - 12/23/05 09:18 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Yes - Red Baron gave ( gives ) many pleasure, but this OFF is something else .
It is sensational. You can see the strong RB influence,BTW.

You guys gotta try it.


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#695383 - 12/23/05 10:11 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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May she rest in peace! So many wonderul hours spent being shot down. This was definitely my all time favourite sim. A thankyou to all who kept her alive for so long with psatches, addons and enthusiasm!

#695384 - 12/23/05 10:40 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I would tend to agree... While RB3d had it's day, I do think that the day of its retirement it comming closer. With OFF, and the updates to follow we should see this gem surpass RB3d in every aspect!

Not to forget, there are 3 other commercial WW1 sims in the works as well!


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#695385 - 12/24/05 12:45 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Yes....I will keep it on my hdd for a while longer, but I guess it is soon time to say a fond farewell!


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#695386 - 12/24/05 11:05 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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While I agree it is slowling down as a game, it sill offers much more than many other games.

Also there is the new FCJ2 coming out now with a revised date of Feb 06, cant wait myself.

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#695387 - 12/24/05 11:51 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I disagree!!

OFF is much too easy IMHO.

Although FM's are acceptable I do
not "feel the crate" like RB. I performed
a near vertical dive in an Albatross and
only got a warning concerning structural
damage.

OFF has a long way to go to match the
diversity of planes, aces, paint schemes,
mid-mission options (autopilot), and overall
immersion. It has great promise but a long
way to go.

Just one man's opinion.

PS. Don't get me wrong. I admire the effort and an an avid player. I am not trying to cast a negative review, it's great. I just don't agree
with the "RB is dead" deal.

#695388 - 12/25/05 06:42 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
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While I agree it is slowling down as a game, it sill offers much more than many other games.

Also there is the new FCJ2 coming out now with a revised date of Feb 06, cant wait myself.

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Will FCJ2 have it's own Glide wrapper so no one has to go find one? Will it solve the sound problems? Will it resolve the joystick/controller problems? Will it give us TrackIR compatibility? If it does all of that instead of requiring people to fish around the 'Net for assorted fixes or forgo them altogether, AND if it brings back the music from the original Amiga 500 version, you might have something.


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#695389 - 12/26/05 05:01 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Once OFF matures I honestly see no reason to continue to try and get RB3d to run acceptably on this PC. I have a Voodoo 5 5500 PCI card dedicated for RB3d but I'm thinking of taking it out once OFF Phase 2 is released. There should be more aircraft and a moving front by then. \:D


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#695390 - 12/26/05 05:27 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Yes, RB3D will die for many who have sought the eye candy comensurate with their other modern games. Long overdue, and the result of many of SWWISA members' and other's tireless efforts.
No, RB3D will never die for those who desire the ultimate in WWI combat aviation game design. In that respect, it can never be surpassed, and for many, will never be abandoned. It is unfortunate that such a winning concept lacked the usual advances afforded to other quality classics like DOOM and CFS. RB3D's lack of developemt began before it was even released for sale.
Of all the WWI addons it seems that CFS3/WWI will come closest to the idea of a modern "built for the purpose" WWI sim.
Now I, too, will have to find a copy of CFS3!


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#695391 - 12/26/05 01:01 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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There's one thing that could save it and that
would be the release of the code to the rb3d
community. It's too bad that the owner's are
such skinflints. They are cutting their own
throats too because a fully modded rb3d game
engine would sell more copies of the game.
Think what could be!

#695392 - 12/26/05 02:04 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Well, after having some fun with OFF and getting back into the mood for some WW1 flying I thought it would be great to have a look at my old love RB3d again after all those years without a Voodoo card, just to see if I can have it up and running on my rig and how it compares to the new CFS3 mod.

With the dgVoodoo glide wrapper, the HA patch, OTEs scenery and Rens XP_RB3d start utility it is working without any problems and looks really awesome!
In fact it is so good it is all I play now for several days.
TrackIR support would be the icing on the cake, but thats only a minor complaint since my TIR2 also doesnt work for me with CFS3.

So thank to OFF, RB3d is back from the dead for me these days and it never played better! \:\)


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#695393 - 12/26/05 06:59 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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'TrackIR support would be the icing on the cake, but thats only a minor complaint since my TIR2 also doesnt work for me with CFS3.'

You can get TrackIr 2 to work by using tir_attack

#695394 - 12/26/05 08:50 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
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'TrackIR support would be the icing on the cake, but thats only a minor complaint since my TIR2 also doesnt work for me with CFS3.'

You can get TrackIr 2 to work by using tir_attack
Thx for the hint, Puffin!
But I tried tir_attack 1.6 together with my TIR2 in CFS3 already and while I got it up and "working " in this sim, the results were not what I was hoping for.
Though I really like TrackIR support in my flightsims I would rather do without it than accept anything below IL-2 FB standards in any of my other sims!


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#695395 - 12/26/05 10:01 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
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Yes, RB3D will die for many who have sought the eye candy comensurate with their other modern games. Long overdue, and the result of many of SWWISA members' and other's tireless efforts.
No, RB3D will never die for those who desire the ultimate in WWI combat aviation game design. In that respect, it can never be surpassed, and for many, will never be abandoned. It is unfortunate that such a winning concept lacked the usual advances afforded to other quality classics like DOOM and CFS. RB3D's lack of developemt began before it was even released for sale.
Of all the WWI addons it seems that CFS3/WWI will come closest to the idea of a modern "built for the purpose" WWI sim.
Now I, too, will have to find a copy of CFS3!
I know exactly what you mean!
But note that OFF looks more like RB3D then other moderns "souless" sims that we now see/have. Actually OFF currently does almost everything that RB3D did/does (like for example the OFF campaign which is very similar if not almost identical to the excelent RB3D campaign) and perhaps even more (for example you have Zeppelins which existed in RB1 and not in RB2/3D, Note the Zeppelins are flyable) but OFF as the definitive advantage of combining all of this with much better/modern graphical engine and flight models.
The only thing that OFF aparently doesn't do YET when compared with RB3D is modeling the pre-1917 part of the war (together with it's associated aircraft) but that will be solved when both phase 2 and 3 of OFF be released. Note that Phase 3 of OFF which is set during the 1914-15 period (the "recon wars") wasn't/isn't modeled in RB3D.
There's an another avantage of OFF (compared with RB3D) which is the ability to fly or man multi station aircraft such as bombers.

So I think and agree that OFF will inded replace RB3D and RB3D will certainly "die" soon. Obviously RB3D was and probably still is the best WWI sim but fortunally with OFF when fully completed (with all it's 3 phases implemented) we will have a more than worthy sucessor of RB3D since it will do what RB3D did and even more but with today's technology which is a thing that unfortually I cannot say from other type/kind of combat flight sims (such as modern and in part WWII combat flight sims).

#695396 - 12/27/05 02:18 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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OFF looks really good. It has made me decide to finally buy a new PC. I've already ordered CFS3 from Amazon. When I get the new PC, a Voodoo V will replace the GF4 in this machine, on which RB3D will remain installed forever.

I had not played for some time, but last night I took a Nieuport 11 up in August of '16 for a patrol. It was peaceful at 3000 kilometers. A trio of Fokkers far below tried to catch up with us, but gave it up. So I patrolled for 20 minutes or so over a supply dump and returned to base. It is still a joy to fly. I know that I will always play RB3D, at least occasionally.

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#695397 - 12/28/05 06:42 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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RB3d will always have a place on the 750Mhz laptop that I keep in the van, so I can get in a long mission, while my wife dashes into the store to get something, which will only take a minute. LOL

#695398 - 12/28/05 11:39 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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The one pain in the butt I always found with RB3D, was (like someone said) the trawling around trying to find this glide wrapper, that Multiplayer patch etc, etc.

I have fond memories of playing the game, but I have bad memories of CTD's, weird graphics effects, and all the other problems associated with older games on newer PC's.

One day, we will no doubt be having this same conversation about OFF perhaps?


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#695399 - 12/29/05 09:30 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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What makes RB3D special to me, and the reason I play it more than any other game is a combination of several reasons. They are its MMP Capabilities, the RB3D Community, the Established Squadrons, the Organized and Structured Events (Red Baron World League Tournaments, Monkey Island Tournaments, War Forces Tournaments, etc), and of course its a great and fun game to play.

I just DL'ed OFF tonight and played it for the first time, and it was a lot of fun. It definitely seems to have potential, but before it could ever replace RB3D for me, it would have to have all the things I mentioned above, and we will have to see if that happens.

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#695400 - 12/29/05 04:51 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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AB1 Gibson?...Very valid points there!
OFF is the new kid on the block, and I am sure that it is good enough to recieve the sort of following that RB3D achieved (and deserved)

Who says that we cant play both anyhow?..lol


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#695401 - 12/30/05 10:20 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Yes, some very good points from AB1 Gibson.
The replacement for RB3D, from an MMP point of view, will need to address some pertinent issues. Not least of which is ease of operation. I'm sure the many headaches associated with getting RB to work put many off completely.

I have heard that one of the biggest problems with CFS3 MMP was the ease with which various elements of the game can be hacked. Is this true? I know hacking is rife in most Online games these days as well as efforts to eradicate it but unless we have a level playing field I can't see it being anything other than fodder for our SP enthusiasts!


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#695402 - 12/30/05 05:01 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I have`nt been here in awhile, I have RB3D on a seperate rig, an old P-III with a Voodoo 3 3000 card, I play it daily. Just installed CFS3, patched it, ran it, then installed OFF, and it`s patches. You have to remember OFF is an infant right now, but it has great potential, already new missions are being made, skins, and all types of improvements are in the works. I think the OFF dev. team has done a splendid job so far, and has given new life to a sim that got off to a bad start (CFS3), and was all but dead. There`s been a lot of fixes to Off, and two more phases to come, and I`m sure many improvements to both offline, and online play will be fortcoming. With all the modders out there we should see some pretty amazing stuff. Puts





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#695403 - 12/31/05 05:11 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Being a die-hard RB3D fan I haven't really considered any of the WWI add-on games out.

So OFF is an add-on for CFS3? Is it a d/load? And did i see someonesay that the SWISSA great were involved?


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#695404 - 12/31/05 05:28 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Heh, that N17 looks awfully familiar! "Dead" for SP means, "my PC can't run it". Like Ivan, it is no problem for me since I am still using a fairly old machine with Win98. For MMPers, "dead" also means, "The servers are empty", and I gather this is not yet the case, at least for organized wars. I know my old squad, JGS4, participated in the 2005 RBWL tournament. BadOgre makes a good point about hacking.

As to the difficulty of finding mods for an updated game, you really need go no further than the Hell's Angels site ( http://www.jamrom.com/hellsangels/main.htm ) to get a great SP game going. Flybert has gathered the other UOP's together at RedBaronPlayers ( http://redbaronplayers.net/uopmods1.htm ). For MMP though, there's really no substitute for Glide. And even though dgVoodoo works very well for me in SP, it can't handle a really large furball well, which is why I laid up a Voodoo 5 for the day this machine would be retired.

There is no law that says you can only have one computer. I have a still-older PC, (AMD 300, Voodoo 3, SoundBlaster 16), that has Jane's F-15, IAF, Longbow 2, Hind, Tac-Ops and SSI's Age of Rifles on it.

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#695405 - 12/31/05 06:04 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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OFF is available for d/l.

http://off.oldbrowndog.net/

i don't know abour swwisa folks being involved. some folks from FS-WW1 were involved, i do know that. they probably have a list of folks on their site somewhere.

if you try it, follow install directions exactly.


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#695406 - 12/31/05 09:04 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Well, I would hardly categorise us as SWISSA greats; diehards, yes - many of us are involved with OFF to some degree. If we thought that we were going to build a sim that was almost as good as RB, we would not bother. We hope to take OFF to depths that RB could not go - there are hints of that already. That being said, I still play RB (my puter won't run CFS3 - how bad is that?), and I don't see that changing, even when I get a new rig. But I do look forward to getting Flanders Fields on my screen.
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Quote:
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What makes RB3D special to me, and the reason I play it more than any other game is a combination of several reasons. They are its MMP Capabilities, the RB3D Community, the Established Squadrons, the Organized and Structured Events (Red Baron World League Tournaments, Monkey Island Tournaments, War Forces Tournaments, etc), and of course its a great and fun game to play.

I just DL'ed OFF tonight and played it for the first time, and it was a lot of fun. It definitely seems to have potential, but before it could ever replace RB3D for me, it would have to have all the things I mentioned above, and we will have to see if that happens.

Regards,
Perhaps, but for most of us all that squadron sutff doesn't mean anything. You seem to be in it as much for the social component as anything else. I could care less about that part of a flight sim (MP, squadrons, etc.). To each his own, I guess.


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i would wager that the majority of folks don't play MP - but let me tell you they are missing out on the largest satisfaction of gaming! but you are correct, to each his own. i generally will not touch a game unless it has solid MP capabilities, especially coop.


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#695409 - 01/05/06 03:37 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  

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Before i could get really excited about this Sim or any other flight sim it has to have a great Multiplayer. Theres nothing better then teaming up with your Squad mates for online air to air combat. As i see it RB3D still out shines all flight sims in this aspect. If OFF can create a stable online wars between Allieds and the Axes, It might have a chance to compare with RB3D. It needs to combine bombers with fighter escorts to be a fun online game. So far this game sounds great, but i see no one talking how great online play is. Plus you can`t find CFS3 anymore in most stores. Honestly i feel there will never be a game match RB3D. I feel sorry for you new flight simmers, you will never have the feeling of taking off from a airfield with 15 of your team mates. Its something you can only find in a old Pentium 2 computer game. RB3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So true Rooster. \:\)


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What makes RB3D special to me, and the reason I play it more than any other game is a combination of several reasons. They are its MMP Capabilities, the RB3D Community, the Established Squadrons, the Organized and Structured Events (Red Baron World League Tournaments, Monkey Island Tournaments, War Forces Tournaments, etc), and of course its a great and fun game to play.

I just DL'ed OFF tonight and played it for the first time, and it was a lot of fun. It definitely seems to have potential, but before it could ever replace RB3D for me, it would have to have all the things I mentioned above, and we will have to see if that happens.

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Perhaps, but for most of us all that squadron sutff doesn't mean anything. You seem to be in it as much for the social component as anything else. I could care less about that part of a flight sim (MP, squadrons, etc.). To each his own, I guess.
I admit that my perspective is definitely from the MP side. Since I began playing MP games I have basically lost interest in SP. I try to play them sometimes, but they just can't keep my interest for very long. Every once in a while a SP game will interest me, like last year's Civil War Bull Run game by MadMinute Games, but that is rare. To me there is no experience in gaming that can compare to organized MP play, but I of course understand that everyone has their own opinion.

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#695412 - 01/07/06 07:04 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I am with Gibson there. I hardly touch anything SP nowadays.


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#695413 - 01/07/06 09:48 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Well I have a diferent oppinion/taste.
Today I rarelly play anything MP, I always play SP.
To me MP is only worth if it has an excelent Co-Op and for a game to be excelent in MP Co-Op at first it must be good in SP.
MP dogfights in my oppinion are only fun at first but then it becomes boring since the objective is always to anihilate the adversary (there is no objective, no battle progress except for personal score and absolutely storyline or campaign progress).
But this is only my oppinion...

#695414 - 01/08/06 06:13 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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ric...,
no, that is definitely one of the requirements i have as well. coop, and mission based coop - not like sfp1 or eaw (i think - never played eaw much). more like falcon 4+ or maybe lomac (that is marginal in my opinion although its mp does have some nive features).

i have never played rb3d much either. can you do coop missions? or is it all mmp with a commander of one side dictating what goes on? i would actually like to give it a try sometime.


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#695415 - 01/08/06 08:59 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
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ric...,
no, that is definitely one of the requirements i have as well. coop, and mission based coop - not like sfp1 or eaw (i think - never played eaw much). more like falcon 4+ or maybe lomac (that is marginal in my opinion although its mp does have some nive features).
Yeap, that's my preference in terms of Multiplayer too (mission based coop). My favourite coop games were by far Jane's LB2 and Jane's F/A-18 since could play coop campaigns which were exactly the same as the single player campaigns (with the only diference that you could have with either other humans and/or AIs) and of course the Jane's LB2 and Jane's F/A-18 campaigns were fantastic.
I've read that Falcon 4 has similar co-op multiplayer capability but unfortunally I never had the chance to try it.

And that's exactly why I say that for a game/sim to have an excelent Co-op Multiplayer capability it MUST be in the first place an excelent single player game/sim!


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i have never played rb3d much either. can you do coop missions? or is it all mmp with a commander of one side dictating what goes on? i would actually like to give it a try sometime.
Well, RB3D was another game that I never try it's multiplay (only tried single player) so unfortunally I can't answer you questions, maybe others here can?

#695416 - 01/10/06 11:25 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by ricnunes:
Well I have a diferent oppinion/taste.
Today I rarelly play anything MP, I always play SP.
To me MP is only worth if it has an excelent Co-Op and for a game to be excelent in MP Co-Op at first it must be good in SP.
MP dogfights in my oppinion are only fun at first but then it becomes boring since the objective is always to anihilate the adversary (there is no objective, no battle progress except for personal score and absolutely storyline or campaign progress).
But this is only my oppinion...
Agreed! I only fly SP. In past years, back when RB3D was new, I played MP occasionally but it didn't light my fire even when I won! It got boring. Since then, I've been strictly SP for flight sims. Realistic tactical shooters like the Rainbow Six line, I play strictly MP, but the opposite for flight sims.

Without strong SP mode, campaigns and such, I would never buy a flight sim. Damn, I love Over Flanders Fields single player!!


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#695417 - 01/11/06 03:10 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by ricnunes:
Well I have a diferent oppinion/taste.
Today I rarelly play anything MP, I always play SP.
To me MP is only worth if it has an excelent Co-Op and for a game to be excelent in MP Co-Op at first it must be good in SP.
MP dogfights in my oppinion are only fun at first but then it becomes boring since the objective is always to anihilate the adversary (there is no objective, no battle progress except for personal score and absolutely storyline or campaign progress).
But this is only my oppinion...
Interesting. I play almost all MP now days, and I enjoy the organized tournaments and events like Red Baron World League, War Forces, Monkey Island, etc etc by far the most. Co-Op is kind of nice, but to me there is nothing like playing with your squadron against another squadron. Nothing in my mind simulates a real air battle, nearly as well as does that.

To fight a simulated battle with real objectives, coordinating all your efforts with your squad mates, as you battle against the ingeniousness of equally committed human opponents, as opposed to just AI, to me is the ultimate in simulation gaming. To listen in on Ventrilo as your unseen squad mates engage the enemy, in another portion of the map, will keep you on the edge of your seat, and feeling real frustration in not being able to help. Then to depend on your squad mates and in return them depending on you when you engage the enemy, is as true a simulation as you can get. There is almost a real feeling of accomplishment when saving a squadmate from the enemy, and of course the opposite feeling when you fail to do so.

Often after fighting a battle for 2.5 or 3 hours, there is a real sense of satisfaction if you were able to do well, and at the same time being physically and emotionally exhausted. I just don't have that same feeling after playing a SP game.


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#695418 - 01/12/06 03:47 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I think ricnunes is describing the play on open servers. Organized team-target wars are very different, as AB1 Gibson describes very well. I was a bomber with JGS4 for a season, the year they won the RBWL cup. It was an experience that I will never forget. War Forces was even better, in spite of its flaws, though I only played a few times.

In the end, though, it was just too much for me. 2 + 1/2 hour games were too long, I felt, and my family life suffered on account of the length of the tournament. And sometimes, I thought, MMP got a little _too_ personal.

Shorter SP games suited me better. And the SP campaign began to see remarkable improvements at the time with the release of comprehensive patches and new flight and damage models. I have flown some incredible and challenging missions with the Hell's Angels patch.

I'm looking forward to tasting OFF. Got CFS3. Now I just need a new PC. \:\)


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#695419 - 01/15/06 12:19 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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SP and MMP...I like them both...but mostly play MMP. No doubt about it...the tournaments are the best and also require definite scheduling committment in Real Life.

It's nice to put SP on hold to answer a phone or reply civilly to something one's long suffering wife has said.

One of the worst enemies of enjoyment in MMP is the worry of hacking. The suspicion of it has probably caused more ill will than the actual hacks.

If hacking is a problem in any new game it will be a major hindrance to gaining fans, particularly me.

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#695420 - 01/15/06 04:26 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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I don't wish to detract from the fine effort these people have put in to OFF, but having tried it out with all the latest patches it still has a long way to go. I was delighted with the results using TrackIR but the difference between the AI FM and your pilot's FM was disappointing. I understand that this cannot be changed as it is hardcoded....a shame. Still, I will watch with interest, but I don't see it being a serious contender. I have spoken to three people this week who have tried it and, interestingly, it peeked their interest in WW1 enough to fly RB again! ;\)


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#695421 - 01/21/06 11:49 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Same here BadOgre, OFF is really impressive but in the end left me saddened that RB3d doesn't (to my knowledge) support TrackIR and will probably look like utter crap on my ATI card if I could even actually get it to run. I really miss flight sims that make you feel like you're there and don't take forever to get you into battle.

#695422 - 01/27/06 03:26 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  

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Hello,
mlc82,
i got RB3d to work really fine on my ATI 9600 recently, and am really enjoying a new game in 1280x1024 resolution with almost photorealistic planes (AMD Sempron 3000+, 1Gb Ram, ATI Radeon 9600 pro 256 mb RAM). I installed the Glide wrapper version 1.40+ (to emulate glide mode on my ATI), installed the HASP patch and the OTE (one for planes and stuff, other for terrain) and found out RB does not have to hide regarding more modern flight sims. No track IR, ok. New planes, crates like the Caudron G3 or the Farman kites - simply great!

There is no commercial flight sim around that deals with WW1 - maybe in the future ("OFF" and "Knights of the sky", but ...).

Bad Ogre, you may know me as "Catfish" in the Wings of valour forums, i am currently giving OFF a try, but it already is limited to the CFS3 engine and exterior views, which i personally hate. But since its free ... (i removed CFS3 from my Harddrive some 5 years ago, after two or three days of flying - this was !"$%&/()

Have fun, S!
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#695423 - 01/27/06 08:23 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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"with almost photorealistic planes" - i would agree that from an external view the planes look outstanding...

but the in cockpit view, which is where i spend about 99% of my time (as it is a sim...), they do not look so good. do i have something set wrong?


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#695424 - 01/28/06 03:24 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Quote:
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[QB...but the in cockpit view, which is where i spend about 99% of my time (as it is a sim...), they do not look so good. do i have something set wrong? [/QB]
Your instruments should be set to Authentic in the Realism Settings. If this is not the problem, can you describe how the cockpit does not look right?


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#695425 - 01/31/06 10:01 AM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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On a whimsy I put my old Voodoo 2 beside my GeForce 6800 Ultra BFG and lo and behold, it works a treat in Win XP. No more glide wrappers with fuzzy blocks for cursors and great graphics as there were intended. I can even alt-tab out of RB without crashing the game. I am now about to try SLI with a couple of Voodoo cards in tandem to boost fps. It's the best of both worlds; I can fly RB with my MSFFB2 and then IL-2 with my Cougar and never have to touch a profile.

RB dead? Well it smells a bit funny, but that's just because so many old farts fly it.

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#695426 - 01/31/06 12:00 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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S!

The report of the death of Red Baron 3D is a gross exaggeration. The fact is that RB3D is alive and kicking. During the last year we have e.g. seen the release of two new MMP patches: War of Poland 1920, http://www.1pl.boo.pl/wop1920e.htm, and the Cold War, http://home.hetnet.nl/~lord.e.frauenfelder/.

WOP 1920 is a stand alone patch dedicated to the war between Republic of Poland and Soviet Union between 1919/20, whereas The Cold War is a remake of the original WW1 game scenario.

Both patches have modified flight models, new sets of flyable planes, flyable 2-seaters with working rear gunner, and in Cold War you can even fly the big bombers HP 400 and Gotha.

There is also at least one more major patch in the pipeline: Revenge of the Jastas III by Baron Von Helton, http://www.jamrom.com/bvh/index.htm.

Finally, if you visit the forum at http://www.wings-of-valor.net, the meeting place of the RB3D multiplayer community, you will also find that the discussions are as lively as they have ever been ...


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#695427 - 01/31/06 12:42 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  

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Hello,
what can i say - i was one of the first to buy Red Baron II when it came out. This sim has sure won my heart, from aching material, coughing pilots during hard turns, screaming pilots when shot and dropping from planes, to newspaper updates, short film sequences, stuttering engines, broken propellors after ramming (but still be able to glide and make an emergency landing) and whatnot. I miss those details in all other sims i ever had (IL2 comes near but is no WW1 sim).
I just gave RB3 a go again and i'm stunned. What's more just today the "Full canvas jacket" patch was in my letter box, i found myself staring at cockpits that really deserve that name. No Track IR, ok. If i would sit in my bureau packed like a cyborg i guess my wife would probably get a laugh out of it before they were coming to take me away. This kind of hardware cyber immersion gizzmoe surely is not everybody's cup of tea. If i turn my head 90 degrees to the right i want to see what's there, not at a view of say 20 degrees. Only thing i would get would be a real 3d view, so i'd be able to really evaluate distance. Personal opinion again, ok.
Greetings,
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#695428 - 01/31/06 03:13 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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My prefernce is MMP, although a really hot AI in SP with a "realistic" FM, say like Mig Alley would make that more interesting, especially with the multi-seat capability described with OFF. But it would also be amazing to have a multi-seat bomber function in MMP with serious, complex targets to defend by air and groundfire, or to escort to and into the target with "high" alt bombing from Gothas included. It is not difficult to imagine the excitement of that aspect blended in with an excellent FM/DM for MMP.

RB3D MMP is undoubtably laced with some clever cheats in MMP because there is a handful of folks who are not only exceptional pilots who can headshoot or flame you every time, but most telling, whose planes are exceptionally strong and take damage far better than yours. The aces of aces are great pilots and shots, but there is a distinction between them and the cheaters. Some great add-on security, but it has holes.

But it is hard to imagine that there won't be a sim arrive or develop, maybe OFF (I bet your will get your FM really good with a little time), which has everything that is the best of RB3D and best of graphics, with the most realistic FM/DM, on a modern platform and some type of manned security for the MMP servers. If the right business plan can be found to actually have a full time live security guru team (or a combination of AI security with a real person on call and/or a first class volunteer security team), then you would have the whole package.

Looking forward to trying OFF. RB3D is always fun and is easy to get into the server and out for those "stolen moments" of flying WWI combat.

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#695429 - 01/31/06 07:24 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  

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Hello,
if someone asks if RB is dead he should take a look at the SimHQ review here, especially those new graphics. Try a look here:

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_073c.html

And remember RedBaron and most patches are now free ... not the Canvas jacket one though. With this graphics and flight model RB shines even without Track IR ...
Yes, i'm currently trying out OFF, so i know what i'm talking about.
Greetings,
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#695430 - 01/31/06 09:20 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Red Baron will never die, frankly OFF is disapointing as the FM is very much like NFM of Red Baron except the wings ripping off.

I don't think OFF is the replacement in its current form. It has a long way to go to reach realistic FM, just being able to out turn a dr1 AI with an SE5a is laughable!

Richthofen Skies may replace it one day but again I doubt it as RS goes the other end of the table and looks to recreate realisim at the cost of playability.

Nope Red Baron will live for another 3-5 years, if no other reason then its so bloody easy to hack the game that it will draw the flies.

#695431 - 02/01/06 08:06 PM Re: Looks Like RB3D is Dead!?!  
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Having bought the hype over OFF I went out and bought CFS3 (which actually isn't as bad as I thought) and downloaded the various components.

It has a LONG way to go before they will be able to replicate the immersion of RB. RB was DESIGNED to be an immersive sim from day one. (Sierra folks really had a talent for this in their heyday. Witness the AOE and AOTP sims as well.)

OFF is a fine product and will no doubt get better, but it will be awhile before I delete my RB install.


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