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#688383 - 05/18/02 12:53 PM Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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I e-mailed the creator of the e-Voodoo glide wrapper last week and he is still working on the Red Baron 3D support. He has mailed me a working version yesterday! I haven tried it since I have a Voodoo card, but if any one would like to try it I can mail it to you.

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I've fixed paletted textures problem, now it works in
16 bits mode without glitches...

Next step is speedup paletted textures emulation..."
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#688384 - 05/18/02 03:26 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Howdy
I'd like to give it a go with my radeon.

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#688385 - 05/18/02 04:10 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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I would very much appreciate it if you could e-mail me the wrapper,as I really miss playing this game,thanks!(e-mail adress Bob.silverdome@blueyonder.co.uk)

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I'd also much appreciate if you could mail it to me :
jmgraumann(at)freenet.de (replace (at) by @)

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#688387 - 05/19/02 11:13 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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Mahoney,who kindly sent the e-voodoo guy a RB CD so he could work on the wrapper for us,recieved the latest incarnation about a week ago.I tested it and didn't get very good results.A lot of the graphics are missing and the FPS was between 5-10,which ain't good.
Please remember this is a work in progress and is a long way from finished.I'd wait until he has got a bit further with it.

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I'd like to try this wrapper, jmartin5@stx.rr.com . Appreciate these guys efforts. Red Baron 3D is too fun to let it die.

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#688389 - 05/20/02 07:13 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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eVoodoo XP 3.1 is out!

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Sunday, 19 May 2002
New release of eVoodoo XP that includes two glide wrapper versions, Glide2 version and Glide3 version.

eVoodoo 2.2 includes support for new PC games compatibles with 3Dfx cards. As games that use propietary texture management based on 3DF files. Other game that now runs at 100% is Red Baron 3D after I modify paletted textures core and speedup framebvuffer routines.

eVoodoo 3.1 now can run games as FIFA, NBA Live, Test Drive 5, and starts to work with Lewpy plugin fot PSEmu Pro, althought still have some problems with textures. In Glide64 some problems with color combiners have been corrected and flashing problem have been fixed.

Finally in eVoodoo Control Panel has been added an utility to patch Electronic Arts games for use them with eVoodoo.

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Download it at http://evoodoo.emulation64.com/ and let us know how it works.

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#688390 - 05/20/02 08:20 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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How it is working for others,this is the best I can get it working on my Geforce





note the FPS also,first picture is 1.92 and second is 2.05!!

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Please remember this is a work in progress and is a long way from finished.


It seems as you were right.




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I got Salvadore Dali Rb3D also on my Radeon 8500. Through it's sheer processing power
I was able to double the FPS that Brigstock
was able to get. 4-6FPS Weee hooo

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#688393 - 05/20/02 11:24 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brigstock:
[B]How it is working for others,this is the best I can get it working on my Geforce

Same result but without the river.

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#688394 - 07/19/02 06:49 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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I tried the newer eVoodoo XP 3.2. Part of the terrain is visible now, together with the cockpit and the river. Framerate is still a problem and the horizon is missing. But still an improvement. (Athlon 500, GeForce 2 GTS)

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I just tried 3.2 version and it looks great just like the real game on my end. But problem is frame rate. I'm getting about 1 fps to 4 fps. Hardly playable but it looks good.
Edit..... Well after playing around a little more I found out It aint that good.








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#688396 - 07/30/02 10:42 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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Now that is a step in the right direction at least.

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#688397 - 07/30/02 11:01 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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jepp, looks much better than before.

I would gladly pay up to 15 for a Glide patch which works as good as the one for Grand Prix Legends.

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jepp, looks much better than before.

I would gladly pay up to 15 for a Glide patch which works as good as the one for Grand Prix Legends.


Argh...so close yet so far.





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#688399 - 08/19/02 07:58 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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I think they are using the wrong Voodoo driver, myself.........

#688400 - 08/31/02 05:40 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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I think they are using the wrong Voodoo driver, myself.........


Do you mean they should use eVoodoo 2.x not eVoodoo3.x for RB?




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Different Voodoo Cards require different drivers.........This is logical.

The driver for my 4500 will not work properly for your Voodoo II, for example.

Further, there are different platforms, me on Windows XP, you or someone else on Win98SE.

When hunting for drivers that are compatable with XP, for example, I've found very few.

I think their problem is that they are trying to make "one size fits all", and such an action won't work.

They will need drivers that are platform & card specific in order to succeed at this.

I have yet to find a set of Voodoo tools that work on XP, and that is frustrating, but at least the drivers do.

For this venture, the tools arent nessesary, so that's one less hurdle to jump over. However, it would be nice if something was in the settings tab of Windows.......Especially the "Limit Texture to 2 meg" option.

If they would release platform & card specific sets, they will do better.

For XP with a Voodoo 3 or higher, I recommend using the Dozer Drivers as a base.

For Win9x with Voodoo 3 or higher, I recommend Omega Drivers.

For Voodoo 2 drivers, I'd have to check. I don't remember seeing V2 drivers for XP, but I might be mistaken on that.

As you can see, the immulator needs to be specific.

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I think I might know of a more productive way........Contact Raedeon, and see if they would be willing to make a card that has Glide in addition to the other formats.

This will boost Raedeon's customer base & bring in additional income they might not normally have gotten.

nVidia has made it abundantly clear they have no intention of helping the THOUSANDS of glide people out there, so their competitor, Raedeon, is our best shot.

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I think I might know of a more productive way........Contact Raedeon, and see if they would be willing to make a card that has Glide in addition to the other formats.

This will boost Raedeon's customer base & bring in additional income they might not normally have gotten.

nVidia has made it abundantly clear they have no intention of helping the THOUSANDS of glide people out there, so their competitor, Raedeon, is our best shot.




Not sure that this is possible. nVidia owns 3dfx and Glide now. I imagine there are legal restrictions that would prevent ATI from introducing Glide support. If ATI did (and had no restrictions) they would almost definitely end up being trumped by nVidia, because nVidia with its ownership of the 3dfx intellectual property and development tools could easily do the same and better should they need to. The time to do Glide support to gain market share was two years ago. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice, but there is little economic incentive for ATI, while nVidia has already clearly illustrated their disdain by doing nothing to support technology they purchased.

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Something about this whole nVidia/3dfx thing smells........

First, they weren't competitors, since Glide was a different format than what nVidia used.

Second, why buy out a company & not use what they had to offer?

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First, they weren't competitors, since Glide was a different format than what nVidia used.


They both produced graphics cards, and most people only have one in their system... that pretty much makes them competitors . 3dfx cards do OpenGL and D3D as well as Glide; even if they didn't, they would be competing for developer allegiance to their respective technologies.

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Second, why buy out a company & not use what they had to offer?


I'm sure they looked at the technology 3dfx had researched, but the primary reason was clearly to remove 3dfx from the market place. As for Glide - by the time nVidia bought 3dfx, developers had nearly all moved on to OpenGL or Direct3D. Why support something so few people need? Even most Glide games supported one of the other two as well. Glide's a dead technology, from a money making point of view.

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Welcome to the world of graphics over gameplay...Yay! Not! Oh well Life goes on....


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Here is another glide wrapper.

It almost works perfect. Almost!! anyway its playable FPS wise. There are a few glitches here and there. Download the program and put the glide2x.dll in your RB3D folder. Its not the proper way to use the program but its the only way I could get it to work.

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The whole Glide thing should eb a reminder to us all .... manufacturers are in business for profit, not for our benefit.

If Quake had been designed for Glide... now that would have been different!

Nvidia killed Glide stone dead ... and look at how many of us now have Nvidia based cards ... RB3D is probably one of the few areas where a Glide based game is still alive and thriving ... which makes fro a small market in terms of R&D costs etc.

Our best bet is for a working Glide wrapper ... or for someone to get access to the code and re-write RB3D to run in OpenGL! Now wouldn't that be nice!!!


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Death To NON GLide!!!!! LOL
I still have a V5 and a spare to boot as well as a V4 4500 PCI LOL plus I have a V2 when I have to upgrade to a Radeon since there is no way I'm buying an Nvidia product thanks to their low off handed garbage tricks LOL
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I think it's safe to say RB wasn't the only Glide-based game that got stiffed by nVidia's dirty underhanded tricks.

It'd be nice if Raedeon would throw us a bone.......Word of mouth is still the best advertizing!


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I want the LGM (little Green Men) back!

I can just imagine what they look like in Glide............


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Here is another glide wrapper.

It almost works perfect. Almost!!



Interesting news!

Could you post some screen shots?
What is your system spec, frame rate etc?


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tried the glidos wrapperwith my GF3(I installed it as suggested earlier in this thread)>marvellous.unfortunately you get terrain glitches off and on but the frame rate seems fine,the picture quality is superb and the detail so much more apparent.This is SO CLOSE.Hopefully the author will be developing this further.I suggest you try it

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Try it out you'll like what you'll see.Its not perfect and I would say unusable,but it is so damn close,just some very minor issues need sorting out.

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was forwarded at the glidos forum to the latest evoodoo dll(version 3.25)>works perfectly on my GF3 card.looks great and frame rate fine.No need to play on a voodoo card anymore-in fact its better than my voodoo card ever was>>>>>

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It's fixed???

It actually works, with no visual anomolies??

WOO-HOO!



The power of a 128 meg Geoforce will give me 200+ FR!!

LOL!


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Here is another glide wrapper.

It almost works perfect. Almost!! anyway its playable FPS wise. There are a few glitches here and there. Download the program and put the glide2x.dll in your RB3D folder. Its not the proper way to use the program but its the only way I could get it to work.

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http://www.glidos.net/


Works great, I get about 25+ frames... Even though i have a crappy Rage 128 vid card.

You were right about all the glitches tho, but most are minor. At low altitudes ( 100ft and below ) the terrain textured go all blue. And the menue has no text ( ex: end mission, restart,abort ect. )

But the rest is good.

beats the .5 - 3 fps with other wrappers.

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was forwarded at the glidos forum to the latest evoodoo dll(version 3.25)>works perfectly on my GF3 card.looks great and frame rate fine.No need to play on a voodoo card anymore-in fact its better than my voodoo card ever was>>>>>


Care to explain how you got it working. The 3.25 download only contains the Glide3x.dll but from my understanding the Glide2x.dll is the one required for RB3D.

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I couldn't get it to work, and I even added the 2X file from the previous version.




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I just stuck it in the RB folder after renaming the x2.dll from glidos.I must say the glidos dll probably had a better picture than the other one(?FSAA working)but thats all that was required for me.

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Ok, let me see if I follow......

You took the 3X file, renamed it 2X, and dropped it into your RED BARON folder, and it worked??????

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I am also curious.
How exactly did you get it working?

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no I just left it as is ie 3x and it worked.dont ask me the how and why.as mentioned earlier both the glidos and this dll work for me.the glidos dll actually looks marginally better i thought but unfortunately the terrain has major graphic glitches("green outs")off and on,not only at low altitude as stated by someone else.speed wise both are fine.
My system-xp home on xp1800 GF364megDDR and 512 meg DDRmemory(xp is a pest having to delete the preferences file before each time the game is played to get sound but otherwise it runs well)

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no I just left it as is ie 3x and it worked.dont ask me the how and why.as mentioned earlier both the glidos and this dll work for me.the glidos dll actually looks marginally better i thought but unfortunately the terrain has major graphic glitches("green outs")off and on,not only at low altitude as stated by someone else.speed wise both are fine.
My system-xp home on xp1800 GF364megDDR and 512 meg DDRmemory(xp is a pest having to delete the preferences file before each time the game is played to get sound but otherwise it runs well)

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That can't be.........RB doesn't recognize a 3X file, only a 2X.

Maybe if you tell us what you did to the 2X file, that might help us out.......

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A new version of the Glide2x.dll has been released at http://www.glidos.net/baron.html
It fixes the worst graphical problems.

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#688428 - 09/07/02 11:52 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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I've been testing the glidos DLL on my machine,W2K,XP1800,64 meg GF2 MX400 and using fraps frame counter I've been getting upto 130 in FPS in a completely standard game @ 800x600.
There have been a few transparency problems but all in all this is startling stuff!!


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WOW!

It works!

I was getting some slowdown on my PC ... Duron 700, GF2MX 32Mb Win98 320Mb RAM. But that was at 800x600 full detail on everything. I guess the wrapper is having to work hard to translate everything!

Still... I forgot how nice the game could look. Proper clouds, distance fog ... I had forgotten how nice this game looked under Glide

With a little more optimisation, this is going to be the best thing to happen to RB for years!!!! It is also good to see that the guys behind Glidos were so willing to pitch in and tweak the thing great stuff


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Additional update ...

After 'forcing' myslef to test RB extensively .... I pinned down the cause of the slowdown.

It was the sunglare

Turned it off, and the stuttering went away.

You still get slightly screwed up interface screens, and the windscreens are black!!! but everything else works perfectly now. FR's are good for me, and the thing looks good ( as those screenies show )

It is playable as it stands, and if the Glidos guys can sort out the transparency issue, it will be perfect.


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#688432 - 09/09/02 02:38 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Any chance of one of you guys posting "exactly" how to do this glide wrapper thingy as I'm keen to try this sim again, for the campaign and multiplay. Cheers

#688433 - 09/09/02 04:57 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Very Simple

Go here to get the files and the instructions


http://www.glidos.net/baron.html

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Very Simple

Go here to get the files and the instructions


http://www.glidos.net/baron.html

#688435 - 09/09/02 06:08 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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Tailgunner, thanks for the tip with the sunglare.

Well it actually works here too apart from an issue with transparencies and sunglare.
On my system I cant get the messages text, but the indicator (Alt-I) and the Frame counter (Alt-F) works.
With a few tweaks this would be a major breakthrough in simming

Sometimes life is good

#688436 - 09/09/02 09:27 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Oh wow, that's what I've been waiting for !
I hope it works with my TNT2 as well.
Gonna reinstall RB2-3D now

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#688437 - 09/09/02 11:15 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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Is the inflight map and other text now working?

#688438 - 09/09/02 11:55 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Yes, in the latest version you can see text and use the map board.

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Is the inflight map and other text now working?


It's a bit dark, but it works!


#688440 - 09/10/02 04:40 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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I cant get text OR the map... and I got the latest version too...

Would it be my Vid card ( rage 128 )

Suggestions?

#688441 - 09/10/02 05:04 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Here is my 2 cents worth.

I started RB on my GeForce Ti4600 with the 2 glide files in RB directory.

looks exactly the same as it did running on my Voodoo 5500.AMAZING!

I see no visual anomalities other than a dark in flight map.I can certainly live with that.


Great job!Never thought I would see it.

A bonus is that my music plays with the Nivida card but was grainy and strained with the VooDoo card.

I tried to force RB to run maximized but it changes over to a normal window at times and the title:Red Baron 3 D line is visible at the top.

If anyone knows how to kill this I would appreciate it if you could clue me in.

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Originally posted by sakahn101:
I cant get text OR the map... and I got the latest version too...

Would it be my Vid card ( rage 128 )

Suggestions?


I'd say it's a combination of factors, actually. In fact, it seems to react differently in each situation.........I was expecting this.

As I stated earlier, a "one size fits all" solution will be difficult, but it's not impossible.

The current 2X seems to like the Geoforce 4 series cards the best, run on Windows 95/98.

(I think I got that right.)

#688443 - 09/10/02 06:34 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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I have a GF4 TI4600, the wrapper works well except it does not allow the selection of 1024x768 in-game resolution and the gun site is blocked in the padlock view after a few switches between 2-D and padlock view. Tried ROTD1D wothout applying any fixes, mission 1 always lockup hard as soon as the bombers appear. It works fine with the retail RB3D version. Any idea?

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Originally posted by DOC_W:
I have a GF4 TI4600, the wrapper works well except it does not allow the selection of 1024x768 in-game resolution and the gun site is blocked in the padlock view after a few switches between 2-D and padlock view. Tried ROTD1D wothout applying any fixes, mission 1 always lockup hard as soon as the bombers appear. It works fine with the retail RB3D version. Any idea?



I am running the ROTJD without problems on Windows 98.

You might try applying the fixes for the various planes.I think there are 4 of them.

I seem to be dropping to desktop as I finish each mission and try to move on to the next.

Anyone else seeing this?(I have my Desktop at 1024x768)

#688445 - 09/10/02 09:30 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Originally posted by Seminole:

I am running the ROTJD without problems on Windows 98.

You might try applying the fixes for the various planes.I think there are 4 of them.

I seem to be dropping to desktop as I finish each mission and try to move on to the next.

Anyone else seeing this?(I have my Desktop at 1024x768)



How does it work in Direct Draw?

#688446 - 09/10/02 09:38 PM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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fixed sound problem here :-) on win2k and GF3
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I will test it & see if I get the same results!!


#688447 - 09/11/02 07:33 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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YES! It works!

Open the OpenGlide INI file with notepad & set priority to 2, and no more sound probs!






#688448 - 09/11/02 07:36 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  
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Additional test result ....

DON'T GET WOUNDED!!!!

The 'red' overlay that tells you you have taken a nasty hit drops the FR's into slideshow territory.

It looks as though the wrapper has 2 areas it struggles...

1) Transparencies on the cockpit view

2) Any 'transparent' overlay the game puts over the screen. This was noticable with the sun glare, and more so with the red screen

There is also a minor texture flicker effect when you view the plane from external on the ground ... you can see a few flickering polygons behind the plane. Don't really call that a problem though.

Running on a GF2MX ( old 32 Mb version ) under Win98SE.


This is about all I can find that doesn't work well


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#688449 - 09/11/02 09:17 AM Re: Glide Wrapper - Good news!  

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Ja, I found that out!



Turning *OFF* clouds in your RB Prefs helps a bit.

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