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#686694 - 08/31/01 12:39 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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Originally posted by Tinman:
As for views, I use the "Page Down" view (try it) when bombing. I could never learn to fly from the outside of my cockpit, so I rarely use the external views. The "page Down" view give me sort of a decent bombsight, and I've learned to use it accurately--too old to learn a new trick.


You're THAT old Tinman? I know some people use F1/PgDn view but I find it is tougher to judge your alt this way. I like F5 external view for bombing as it shows you your relative alt over the structure you are lining up. This allows me to stay under AA and just skim over the top of the target. For things like bridges I can also see how close the wingtips are to the uprights (which you can't do in F1 view.) As Fruitbat states, the AA can light you up if you climb on a turn so I turn in F5 view so I can stay low and tight and watch how close the wingtip is to the ground. This is probably why I rarely take AA damage and don't worry about AA at all. Besides, what AA gunner wants to risk having a flaming planeload of skunk crash on his position?

One drawback of bombing in F5 is I have to switch views to strafe accurately but I have programmed my hat switch for this.

I use the "Page Down" view (try it)[/QUOTE]

LMAO! Accept advice from dastardly Hun? Nevah, sah!


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#686695 - 08/31/01 03:07 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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I use the "page down" view myself to bomb, as I seldom "leave" the cockpit except to switch to F8 mode, and that's usually while in a dogfight. That, of course is in low-level bombing... at high altitude it's F4 rotated all the way up and zoomed all the way out.

Although there aren't really any other options, one of the big drawbacks to low level bombing is hardening of targets, especially dromes. I think most people would agree that 1 or 2 bombers can drop an isolated drome fairly quickly, unless they get sloppy. Once CAP, escorts, and bombers start slinging bullets around at each other however, the chances that particular target will harden and never go down increase dramatically.

#686696 - 08/31/01 03:15 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  
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>>what AA gunner wants to risk having a flaming planeload of skunk crash on his position?>>

They probably would just don their masks until the gas attack dissipated on the westerly wind.

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#686697 - 08/31/01 04:32 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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BTW, how does one go from "Junior Member" to "Member" in this forum? Is it based on number of posts?

Just curious.

#686698 - 08/31/01 06:44 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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...one of the big drawbacks to low level bombing is hardening of targets, especially dromes... Once CAP, escorts, and bombers start slinging bullets around at each other however, the chances that particular target will harden and never go down increase dramatically.


S! Wingnut,

First of all I must say I have the greatest respect for the BAs and their unparalled ability to procure every type of volatile beverage and spare aircraft part on a moments notice, often from RAF stores and apparently with the co-operation of our XO.

Next, I wish to observe that the exact reasons why targets "harden" has been the subject of much discussion, speculation, conjecture and misinformation. Some feel it is because of damage to ambulances or other similar "prohibited" portions of a target. Others feel it is due to random damage from stray bullets, or from aircraft crashing into target structures.

To date there is no consensus on the causes of target hardening and it has thus become the "Holy Grail" of RB3D bombing -- much quested after but yet undiscovered. It has even been proposed that the RB3D community join forces ("knights of the round table") to seek the one true answer together. So far they are still questing.

Ahem.

The Holy Grail currently resides in the off-line RAF library. It is for the exclusive use of RAF bomber pilots.

Sir Galahad's shield is there also ("sable, a pale argent") and smells faintly of skunk -- but only faintly.

S!

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#686699 - 09/01/01 03:10 AM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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By the way...I'm assuming you expert bomber-types know that the wings of an N17 fit very nicely between the rails on a bridge. Takes a steady hand but you can make your bombing runs between them and improve your hit ratio quite a bit.

#686700 - 09/01/01 04:05 AM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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Everyone knows targets harden when Pepe's case of Viagra gets hit.

BTW stop stealing Bob Dole's he's ganna get real mad.


Quack!!

#686701 - 09/01/01 10:52 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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Originally posted by RAF_Pepe LePeu:
UniBomber aka JGS4_Sparks. A very skilled bomber but, like yourself, a despicable hun nonetheless His poetry is as dangerous as his bombing.

Other bombers of note:
US185_Fruitbat
BA_Tinkerbelle
RebsCSA
J18_Raider
PJ666_Klaus
RAF_[fill in the blank]



S! LePeu
I would also like to add to your list.
" despicable huns nonetheless "
All members of Schlasta 2 JG1.

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JG1

#686702 - 09/02/01 05:56 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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Originally posted by RAC Shnoze Shmon:

Reference to bombsight yes! High alt no.


Oh! Then you mean that gunsight with the bomb drop line? I realy have to thank Skeeter for sending it to me a while ago, back on the 5 weeks war. It helped me a lot.

Salute!
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#686703 - 09/05/01 04:18 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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Quote:
Originally posted by Fruitbat:
By the way...I'm assuming you expert bomber-types know that the wings of an N17 fit very nicely between the rails on a bridge. Takes a steady hand but you can make your bombing runs between them and improve your hit ratio quite a bit.


Cool! So you're bombing bridges LENGTHWISE! I always wondered why some people found them so easy. I gotta try this


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#686704 - 09/06/01 05:04 AM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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S!

Well thanks alot Slicer! I was havin fun bein mysterious and hypin joinin my squad, but nooooooo you gotta go and blow the whole thing.

Party pooper!

err...sorry I mean
You sir are a booger!

#686705 - 09/06/01 02:26 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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Originally posted by vonPletz:
I would also like to add to your list.
" despicable huns nonetheless "
All members of Schlasta 2 JG1.


Salute von Pletz!

Absolutely despicable sir, every last one of you, no question about it. Dastardly too if I may say so, and perhaps vile even


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#686706 - 09/06/01 05:54 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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As someone who has been known to drop some lead on occasion, I can say with authority that. . .

you're all weird.

Droops

#686707 - 09/06/01 07:15 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  
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>>you're all weird.>>

I dunno 'bout the rest of you but
_I_ definitely am.

Au revoir en l'air...S!
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#686708 - 09/06/01 07:23 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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Why thankyou Droops!

It's always been a fear of mine that one day I'd up an go sane.

#686709 - 09/06/01 09:47 PM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  

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#686710 - 09/07/01 12:50 AM Re: My favourite topic -- BOMBING!  
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As the Germans say, "Vat ze hell vas dat?"

A note about bomb sights: from the F5 view I have a very, very good chance of hitting my target. And in the Black Adders the dive bomb has achieved the status of High Art, all accomplished without bomb sights.

BEx for anyone that contributed to the "best bomber list;" while I can't disagree, there are many that are either highly competent or are so and quickly raising skill level to expert.

I, of course, am a yeoman bomber - I'll get it if I get there and have a bit of time. And I have yet to unravel the mystery that is the dump.


The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

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