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#686326 - 08/06/01 04:52 AM Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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Starting at the very beginning, full realism? I can never finish a campaign without starting over or aborting the mission/cheating. I mean, has anyone ever made it through without having to cheat?

I always get killed some way or another, sometimes I shoot down 4 planes and mess up landing back home and get killed. There's so many ways to get killed. Is it possible to make, or do I just suck at this.

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#686327 - 08/06/01 05:19 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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Salute, Lucky1!

No, you don't suck at this. I've never made it through an entire campaign, either--even when I've enlisted with the Yanks in March 1918! And I've been playing this game for three years now!

I also play "full realism" (if you can call it that), with skill levels set as high as they can go. But I don't cheat. My personal rule is "die-and-you're-done." I've also had my career cut short by court-martials or confinement as a P.O.W. But I've never made it to the end alive.

(Of course, for the past year or so, I confess that most of my flying time has been spent on-line.)

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#686328 - 08/06/01 08:14 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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Personally......I cheat! Some pilots I insist cheat less then others and fly with more realism, but it breaks up the frustraition when you leave options open to yourself. Thats why I have about 12 different pilots that are at various stages of their careers. Only three of my pilots have finished the war. They all fly in different squads so I learn alot about different squads during the course of the war.
I would suggest that you use the "cheats" until you get one or two full campaigns under your belt so it doesn't get too frustraiting for you. Try starting at different dates as well. I eventually plan to do the no restart-no resurrections campaigns but I'll never limit myself to just that because after all its about enjoyment.
Also dont demand too much of yourself by setting the realism at maximum. Set it down to something you can typically survive and then work your way up. This gives you satisfaction at seeing your skills advance. And set different goals for your pilots as well.

Examples:
My namesake Shnoze Shmon was one of my first pilots and all I wanted from him was to get through a campaign and see how many kills he could rack up. I started while I still was flying novice and only advanced his difficulty when I no longer wanted to fly at settings that low. Just to show what I would let him get away with one time I had activated invincibility so a friend of mine could try out the game. I forgot about this until I was reminded due to the fact that I was in a 23 to 1 fight and I wasn't getting killed. (wingman didnt last long) However, I let that mission stand instead of aborting and changing the settings. He ended his career with nearly 700 kills. (cant imagine why)lol

Now take his brother Dershwine Shmon. He has to live up to greater expectations. Amonge other settings he has limited ammo. Now he got an earlyer start on his career so maybe he can still give Shnoze a run for his money.

Then we have Randy Roadkill. He started out in command, and with very high difficulty settings. His main goal is to keep his wingmen alive. Not that easy since they are flying DH-2s. I wanted to see how low a turnover rate I could get.

One thing I would recommend NOT doing is putting the name and picture of a female associate on one of your pilots and then showing her "her war record" when your through. The appreciation factor for this kind of thing is quite low, especially if you make little remarks about now knowing what her "true age is." This IS a source of good cardiovascular exercise though just make sure your shoes are up to the task.

#686329 - 08/06/01 08:09 PM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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I would make it easier by having unlimited ammo and making the AI easier, but then the score factor is so low that you hardly ever get promoted.

#686330 - 08/07/01 03:21 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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Nope! Haven't had any luck completing a campaign either.

Furthest I have progressed was as a British Pilot in 24 Squadron. Managed to last just on a year, being invalided out in July 1917. Came back from an unproductive flight and crashed on landing. Guess battle fatigue had set in!


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#686331 - 08/07/01 11:12 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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I came close. Once. Full Realism, no restarts. Was even playing the campaign with no E, F, or N key for added fuzziness. He was a Hun pilot and I started him as early as I could using CM. I got all the way to Nov 9, 1918 when he was killed by a flak burst at 7000 feet. Routine mission, nothing special, no enemy in sight and BOOM! I sat there stunned as his pieces fluttered down. He had 43 kills by that point.

I had an English pilot once make it from 1915 to Jan 1918 and then he died (I screwed up and stalled at low alt).

Both were using Berry's 2.0 patch and EMLSAI FMs. Haven't started a new campaign yet with Panama's FM and might give ROTJ a whirl.

#686332 - 08/08/01 06:43 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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The only time I have ever gotten completely through a campaign was in the original Red Baron. I did this by avoiding becoming a hero, being very careful and running away a lot.

In Red Baron 3d, I usually kill my campaign pilot by colliding with another aircraft or crashing into a building or tree.

I just did a dumb stunt with my current pilot. First mission with Dr.1's, too. It was a Turkey shoot, blasting at British Bombers coming in to land. After 3 comfirmed kills and damaging several others I decided to save my ammo in case we were bounced by some more dangerous adversaries and I tried to carry on with the flight plan. I put my plane on "Ctrl A" autopilot, made sure that my plane was going in the correct direction and then proceeded to joyfully watch the other members of my flight blasting at the bombers.

I guess the combat autopilot decided to join in on the activities while I was "astral tripping" around and I was rudely awakened to a message that I had been wounded. I should have used the navigation autopilot.

I "jumped back" into my cockpit and found myself in a dive going straight towards the ground in a red haze throbbing in and out. I took off the autopilot and attempted to pull out of the steep dive.

I almost pulled it up enough but pancaked smartly onto the enemy tarmack sliding upright. I sat there, wounded in a wrecked plane (still upright) without an undercarriage a few feet from the enemy hangars. It was an exciting moment to find that I was still alive.

I was captured and that was that for the end of the war.

I am going to restore that particular pilot and do the mission again but I think I will start trying to see how long I can stay alive by using the self preservation tactics I used in the original Red Baron.




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#686333 - 08/08/01 03:10 PM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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I tried those self preservation tactics, but its very difficult in RB3D. One my flight of four came upon 2 AL DII's, were in Nu-11's. We took them out, then 3 AVI CIII's came along and we took them out. I thought we had the advantage the whole time and I was involved with blasting them away.

Then, suddenly, I check my six after the last AVI went down only to see about 6 AL DII's on my six and no wingmen anywhere in sight. I tried to run, but it was useless. They were faster and higher. Eventually they started to shoot, we caused me to jink and turn, which then brought them all to shoot at me. I took one out, but they got me.

#686334 - 08/08/01 05:06 PM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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I just recently found something easyer to shoot down than the BE-2. I followed a flight of 3 DH-4s back to ther base and caught up with them while they were landing. It was all I could do to get rounds in them before they crashed. I finnally got 5 DH-4s at that base and I bet I fired less than 50 rounds.

As for being outnumbered by a/c with better performance (or out of ammo) you can do 1 of 2 things. 1. Land and wait till they leave and get out of e range. 2. If there are 4 or less you can evade with contour flying. AI can only hit you when your close to the ground if they can make a long shallow approach at you. If your turning around every little bump on the ground they'll never get a firing solution unless they have enough to keep you surrounded. I'm talking about flying so low that you have to gain alt in order to make more than the shallowest of turns. Don't try to cross rivers unless you first throw them off enough to give yourself a bit of a lead because you have alot of flat ground to cover. Properly timed u turns can scatter the group over a large area. To gain alt for such things as crossing high hilly areas fly around the sides of hills gradually gaining alt. If you find yourself flying down a high and narrow vally with a dead end then circle at the end gaining alt and hugging the terrain till you can clear the top. If you are presented with a shot take it but dont get pulled into a melee. Most likely when you let down the other side you will count fewer enemyies pursuing you. Keep up with your location so you can lead your "fans" to areas with high concentraition of AA such as infantry or dromes.

#686335 - 08/09/01 01:59 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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Make it though an entire campaign with the same pilot without cheating? Not yet. Like Herr Mac, I to fly with 'full realism' for that total immersion effect and have never survived pass a few months. Once I made it through three seasonal changes and then, THWACK, down I went. I've been shot down by aces & also runs, shot by observers, downed by AA and even once my Albatross was totally ripped apart by a flak burst. That surprised me. Mostly my demises have been brought about by getting to close and colliding with the enemy. I like to hear them groan or scream. After all this, I was beginning to get discouraged with the 'restarting at the very beginning' purist approach. And then I devised a plan. Some may call this cheating but I don't. Now when my pilot is deceased, I restart the game, in the month of the occurrence and with a new Jasta. This way my game moves along and I get to fly with various aces and in different coloured liveries. The best thing about this is that with this type of restart all those aces are resurrected and fly again as mates or challengers. This time I'm going to make it to the end. Skylark .. out


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#686336 - 08/09/01 04:57 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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No Skylark, thats a great idea. I might try that myself. All I gotta do know is survive at least a month

#686337 - 08/09/01 05:23 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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Another servival tactic you can use is to pay attention in the preflight to where the other flights from your squad will be. That way if you need to run for help you may know where to find it. I've saved myself and my wingmen by leading a superior enemy flight to another flight from my squad. Also don't forget to watch for other friendly flights in your area.

#686338 - 08/09/01 11:12 PM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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RAC Shnoze has a good suggestion of seeking help from others in the area but keep this in mind. With fast enemy ACs in tow that any course change greater than 20 degrees will bring them onto your tail and within firing arrange. This is because the AI will always cut the corner to intercept you and if you didn't extend far enough then be prepared to get your tail waxed. Always maintain your height when attempting to escape greater numbers. Attempting to climb out of a bad situation will reduce your much needed escape speed and soon have those faster enemy types breathing up your tail. Skylark .. out


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#686339 - 08/10/01 04:39 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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A tactic I learned from the bad old days of RB2 unpatched when the Archie was murderous and I was limping home was to fly along the rivers just skimming the surface.
If your limping home and being chased and your aircraft won't outpace the chasers, hugging the ground seems to keep them from firing very often. I have often had four or five bandits escort me home. They will pepper you occasionally but a quick kick on the rudder will get you out of trouble.
If they do accompany you, try to make the flight more intresting for them by detouring via a friendly army corps or airport. The machine guns are sure to give them a salute.
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#686340 - 08/10/01 04:05 PM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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S! Lucky,

I survived to Armistice day only once back in RB2. I had tried British pilots first but kept getting transferred into the DH2 "flying bathtub" squadrons where I was promptly killed by hordes of faster Albys with better guns. I had no gunsight or transparent cockpit at the time so I was pretty useless.

Finally I switched to French pilots and the more survivable Nieuports and Spads. I died from engine fires, random flak, AA headshots from thousands of feet up, got maimed, court martialed (damaged one of my own team when he cut in front of me and then he flamed on the way home) After MANY tries I made it all the way through once (I think I got captured once and escaped after several months which really helped.)

It can be done but it is VERY tough. I had to consciously avoid being outnumbered in fights even when I knew I could win easily because there was always a random chance I would get an unlucky fuel or oil leak or headshot. I flew VERY cautiously when behind enemy lines and ran away a lot. I was much more aggressive on things like balloon defense where I was close to home and where the enemy was busy with a target. This wway I could at least land on my own lines and not get captured if I had a bad run of luck. I also got lots of bombers too as they were safe to approach from beneath.

#686341 - 08/13/01 10:23 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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Another servival tactic you can use is to pay attention in the preflight to where the other flights from your squad will be. That way if you need to run for help you may know where to find it. I've saved myself and my wingmen by leading a superior enemy flight to another flight from my squad. Also don't forget to watch for other friendly flights in your area.


I just started a campaign saturday (before reading your post) and this other flights have saved me. Actualy just one.
Flying the 9 RNAS, Febuary 1917, N17, Pup and Tripe available, Went on flying to offensive patrol, tripes, with 3 wingies in Lille. Found Voss and one other guy escorting 4 Rolands, jumped on them and while the fight was hot another flight of OP from my squad arrived. We started the fight in their side of the front, wasn't even over the mud, and finished up in our side of the mud.Got altitude again, found 4 rolands alone, nail them too together with that other flight. Then we started fighting over Lille with a flight of Albies, this time one of them rammed me, tnx god I rolled away from it and only got bit in the left wingtips (all 3 of them). One of my guys lost power and was captured (Lt. Simmons if I remember), the other 2 came back to the first base I found in front of me.
Final stats: 4 kills for me, 2 kills for my friend P.O.W, 1 kill for 2nd. Lt. Underwood and 0 for the last guy.
Since I'm flying as CO, my XO got KIA, Lt. Simmons was put on the disabled list (lol), as well as another 2nd. Lt.

Heck, I would be dead meat if wasn't for those N17's that came to help us.

Btw, played with ROTJ 1B, PR FM France 2, but the gun style borrowed from my friend Raymond Collishaw . Unlimited ammo, because the FM uses the EM2 DM, which simply can't be killed with the normal ammunition. I set the AI difficulty scroll so that when with unlimited ammo disabled I get 105% of difficulty. I also used the 3P rules from Bluevoss, that made me feel attached for those simulated punks that fly with me for a mission and get KIA, lol.

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P.S: Never finished a campaign, but I'm gonna end up this crap alive this time... Well, at least until it becomes RAF 209 and I get that creepy Camel

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Unlimited ammo, because the FM uses the EM2 DM, which simply can't be killed with the normal ammunition.



You would definately enjoy Uhlan's DMs. They are still much tougher than the stock DMs but Uhlan's really do take selective damage very nicely.

I am not sure what link to post for them, though.

#686343 - 08/14/01 08:44 PM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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Roger that Hans
I know his DM, but after a while I couldn't get on his page...
Also, I'm most of the time outnumbered anyway, I don't like the idea of having some bad damage easier anyway...

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#686344 - 08/15/01 03:04 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  
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This thread inspired me to start another SP campaign when the crap on-line started to get to me. I had a delightful couple hours winging with the LE in December 1916. Poor Bill Thaw flamed on my first mission, but I managed to get a kill before running out of ammo on every sortie. I must say, my aim has improved since last SP game.

Separated from my flight once, I jumped a plain brown pair--Halb & Albatross D2 cruising low behind their lines. I barely got away with my skin...after action report revealed it was Von Richtofen & Voss. I guess I was lucky. A neat thing about it was I was struggling homeward all shot up and picked up a high trailing contact...turned out to be old Lufbery, who guarded me until I made it across the front. Love this game!
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#686345 - 08/15/01 03:37 AM Re: Has anyone ever survived a campaign?  

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I have never come close.
But right now I have surivied a year and 2 months. (the best I have ever done). I have done the good advice of not being a hero and running a lot. Then after my 18th kill earlier they other day I was changed to those damn DH2s. I knew I was screwed if I didnt get out of there so when we went on a basic CAP I lef tand destroyed a German balloon. After I did that low and behold Mr. Von Richtofen jumps on my tail. I dive as fast as the cuppy little plane can handle and fly toward home BEARLY above the trees. He only shoots ever now and then. After about 7 mins I finally get home. And lucky me a flight of Nep 17s is patroling. Bye Bye Red Baron you will be missed. So when I get back I have that kill and the Baron is dead after following me forever. Brass decides that I completely suck in a DH2 and gets me over to 40 squad to fly a lovely Neport 17, Thank the Lord.
Thats my big story so far. I pray that this George Speirs fellow doesnt screw up cuz this is the best I have ever done.

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