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#680660 - 07/12/01 11:25 AM Nation V3.0 request...  

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Hi all,

I don't know if such an update is in the making, but I would like to see it fix a big annoying feature of SDOE : the names for the German units...

I am fed up of the stupid JG400, JG1 "Udet" etc. unit names.

Give us : JG 26 and JG2 for Dover terrain, JG1 (never called Udet as far as I know, Oesau ould be more to the point) for Rhineland, JG51 and JG54 for Russian front, JG27 and JG77 for Africa and Italy... PLEASE !

I would like also to have a "French" Yak to have a Normandie-Niemen campaign alongside Russians Comrades.

On the other hand a French Navy lancaster is completely useless : they just did not fly in WW2...

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#680661 - 07/12/01 03:56 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Hi Tym,

Re: Yak - we don't do planes, we just do the countries. You can find a guy like Argon I'm sure who will make a duplicate to fly as French, but there is a movement away from this because you don't need it. Give your Yak a french skin, make a mission and assign it a french squad, and you achieve the same result and save a meg of HD space.

Re: Squads - We are falling dangerously behind schedule again, so there won't be time to make new German squads, but I will see what I can do about removing the names on ones currently there. If it can be done without corrupting all missions made with those squads to date, I will do it.

Re: French Lanc - Again we didn't do that. I think it is going to be phased out in the next plane pack release, along with the french hurri, p47 and p39, leaving only the D.520

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#680662 - 07/12/01 05:41 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  
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Hehehe hey the French Lanc isnt totally useless!!! It gives me something to shoot down when flying over France...

Yes most of the duplicate planes are being phased out... They didnt have to be in the PP in the first place really. I just whooped them out so we could have something to fly for these countries until the real stuff came out (Which will STILL be a long ways away. Can you believe we STILL dont have a single complete Italian plane?? And only ONE real French plane??)


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#680663 - 07/12/01 05:44 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Originally posted by Werner Molders:
Hi Tym,

Re: Yak - we don't do planes, we just do the countries. You can find a guy like Argon I'm sure who will make a duplicate to fly as French, but there is a movement away from this because you don't need it. Give your Yak a french skin, make a mission and assign it a french squad, and you achieve the same result and save a meg of HD space.

Okay, I fully understand that plane Sets and Nation Pack are two different things. Still they should work quite together.

By the way, what does it take to make another nationality for the same plane ? Is there any way to share most of the files ?

I do need two Yaks : one for the Soviets, one for the French. Having the same skin for both just does not do the trick...

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Re: Squads - We are falling dangerously behind schedule again, so there won't be time to make new German squads, but I will see what I can do about removing the names on ones currently there. If it can be done without corrupting all missions made with those squads to date, I will do it.
I fear that replacing squads will wreck havoc in all the missions that were already done...

The best thing to do would be to add those new squads.

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Re: French Lanc - Again we didn't do that. I think it is going to be phased out in the next plane pack release, along with the french hurri, p47 and p39, leaving only the D.520
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Roger that.



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#680664 - 07/12/01 06:03 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Each plane can only have one national affiliation. It would be easier to download Ground Crew, one of Pachy's excellent NN Yak skins, install and choose it before the mission and fly under France. This way you can always pick and choose between skins ans not fill up your HD with duplicate planes...unless you have space to burn.

#680665 - 07/12/01 06:09 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Tym - Do you fly offline only? If so then its no big deal, I'm sure you could ask for a duplicate Yak. I don't know how to do it, but I hear its relatively easy to do. If you fly online... then everyone you fly with will need the duplicate, so you'll probably be limited to your squad and anyone else you can convince to install it because as stated above duplicates are on the way out of the plane pack.

Regarding squads - hey, if they bug you a lot, would you be willing to do the work to make the new ones? Find a squad picture, logo (colour) and description for each and mail them to me, zipped. For idea on length of text and rough dimensions of the images, check out the squadrons section off the main screen in the game.

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#680666 - 07/12/01 06:24 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  
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Each plane can only have one national affiliation


That's a very unfortunate limitation of OpenPlane. Most planes in SDOE's current plane set were used by 2 or 3 different countries. Maybe the patch guys could do something about this... also adding the possibility to have a skin for each national affiliation.

#680667 - 07/12/01 06:28 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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well...NN, u can always make ur own squadrons to help with the Nations V3 work..im not sure how to, otherwise i'd be doing my part...it there is a page anywhere that explains the process i'm sure i could get a few done

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Quote:
Originally posted by Werner Molders:
Tym - Do you fly offline only? If so then its no big deal, I'm sure you could ask for a duplicate Yak. I don't know how to do it, but I hear its relatively easy to do. If you fly online... then everyone you fly with will need the duplicate, so you'll probably be limited to your squad and anyone else you can convince to install it because as stated above duplicates are on the way out of the plane pack.
Somehow, I prefer to have all duplicates removed. It's more logical... But the Pachy solution (allowing multiple skin for one plane would be enough somehow) would be much better.

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Regarding squads - hey, if they bug you a lot, would you be willing to do the work to make the new ones? Find a squad picture, logo (colour) and description for each and mail them to me, zipped. For idea on length of text and rough dimensions of the images, check out the squadrons section off the main screen in the game.

Werner


Okay, I shall try to make JG51 for a start...

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#680669 - 07/12/01 09:20 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Originally posted by UgoDrago:
Each plane can only have one national affiliation. It would be easier to download Ground Crew, one of Pachy's excellent NN Yak skins, install and choose it before the mission and fly under France. This way you can always pick and choose between skins ans not fill up your HD with duplicate planes...unless you have space to burn.


Again, WHERE CAN GROUND CREW BE FOUND!!! ARRRGGGGHHH!!!!


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#680670 - 07/12/01 09:21 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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I have done two picture :

insignia (220*170 ?)


Photograph (300*220 ?)


And I prepared this text :

Werner Mlders was one of the most outstanding fighter pilot of all time. He set his mark on the newborn Luftwaffe in an incredible manner. His experience, gained in Spain, was invaluable in giving the Luftwaffe fighters a tactical edge upon its opponents for half duration of the conflict at least.
He also shaped the JG51 into an elite unit that flew on most of the major front of the Blitzgrieg. They fought over Poland, France and the Channel. His care for his pilots gained him the nickname of Vati (daddy) from them. Unfortunately Werner Mlders died in an aerial accident in 1941, the He111 he was a passenger in crashed during a stormy night. At this very moment, JG51 was heavily engaged on the Eastern front.
JG51 was then named after Mlders, it became, along with the famous JG54, one the most efficient outfit flying on the Russian front. Their Bf109 and later FW190 proved incredibly successful against the unit of the VVS. The very name of Mlders instilled fear and respect into the harts of even the most daring Russian pilots. They maintained a very high standard until the very last days of the war.


So what should I do now ?

#680671 - 07/12/01 09:27 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Excellent first choice there Tym.



Do the same for any other squad you want in the game, and I'll compile the data while I'm doing the same for Poniat and semmern. *cough* *cough* Guys? Because I am going to have your files soon, right?

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#680672 - 07/12/01 09:50 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  
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His experience, gained in Spain, was invaluable in giving the Luftwaffe fighters a tactical edge upon its opponents for half duration of the conflict at least


Except, of course, during the month of June 1940, since he was shot down by a pilot of the GC II/7 on june 5th and stayed as a POW until the armistice. But hey, they were only 15 Bf109E1s with the top scoring Luftwaffe ace at their head, versus 8 pilots who had converted to the D.520 one week before!

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Quote:
Originally posted by Werner Molders:
Excellent first choice there Tym.



Do the same for any other squad you want in the game, and I'll compile the data while I'm doing the same for Poniat and semmern. *cough* *cough* Guys? Because I am going to have your files soon, right?

Werner



Where should I send the files ?

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#680675 - 07/12/01 11:09 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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My email's available at my website.

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Originally posted by Werner Molders:
My email's available at my website.

Werner



can't access to your website

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#680677 - 07/13/01 10:37 AM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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NN Tym,

Being part of the Nations Team and having done a fair bit of GUI work myself, I just wanted to drop in and say that your work above is first rate.

It is both inovative and stylish.

Well done mate.

Cheers,

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#680678 - 07/13/01 10:46 AM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Just noticed the ? next to the pic sizes.

Yes the insignia is 220 x 170.

I haven't got an unbig'd pic available of a Sqn available to check - Werner can you help out here ?

Cheers,

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#680679 - 07/13/01 12:36 PM Re: Nation V3.0 request...  

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Okay,

As I cannot reach the Abbeville field, I decided to place the download link here (822ko)...

http://gc3.normandie.niemen.free.fr/fichiers/sdoe/luftwaffe_jg.zip

I have portrayed the following Geschwader : JG2 Richtofen, JG26 Schlageter, JG27 Afrika, JG53 PikAs and JG54 Grnherz.

Texts are in English and French, they need translation in German and Italian...

Any comments welcome.

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