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#561776 - 07/14/01 07:20 AM Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Just decided to see what benefits would occur if i uninstalled then reinstalled Typhoon. I am starting the campaign again. SO I am noting certain things.

The Sub. With the AAA and the IR sams.

The dodging, chaff despensing Cruise Missiles.

The tanks which magically come ashore from nowhere.

The Su-25s who come from nowhere. (Oh, he flew from a captured base in Norway, did he, with a full bomb load? Of course he did...)

This is why naval ops are a priority. The invasion should be preceeded by enemy sweeps by Su-33s (DID, cheat and use the Su-35s if needs be) operating off a carrier. Since it is 2015, I think we could assume that the Russians might have that second Kuznetsov class carrier working. Or something.
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No wheel brakes, drogue parachutes. Oh, too complicated you say. Well to hell with simplicity, when i am hurtling down the runway at 140 knots and that speed brake is not stopping me, I am screaming for a drogue chute! Or wheel brakes, or something!!!

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No manual undercarriage put down thingie. I am told the Tornado has this. When all is completely screwed, hit this, and down come the wheels lock into place and the crew chiefs despire you for life. I just came back from a mission where someone shot me up and my undercarriage was broken. I managed a belly landing, but my plane exploded. The pilot is in the hospital.

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Viggens: How did they get there? Why have they not been scrapped? EBC says Sweden is neutral, but there are both Grippens and Viggens flying, with Swedish markings. Methinks CF-18 and F-16AM might be better choices.

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At the end of one of the EBC broadcasts, the lady stops speaking and a booming voice cries out: excellent going. :-) Ooops.

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My throttle doesn't work. GRR. Actually, I am about to map the "+" and "-" keys to the slider thingie on the side of my throttle, and at least have some "left hand function."

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But still. Typhoon... you know why we bitch. We bitch cos we see this thing, and we want it to be perfect. We want to be playing it in five years time the same way we played EF2000.

Right, back to Iceland.

Gavin

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#561777 - 07/14/01 09:41 AM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Amen, Gavin.

I also restarted and it sure is amusing (to put it most mildly) to notice all that odd stuff happen. How am I to take this "simulation" seriously and feel I'm not wasting time big time? Rage/Did imo did a rush job. I guess I will never be able to understand the real "Typhoon" has wanted to endorse this game (but probably Tiger can tell me for he apparently thinks you and I are people who need to be patched up

#561778 - 07/14/01 10:43 AM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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Just decided to see what benefits would occur if i uninstalled then reinstalled Typhoon. I am starting the campaign again. SO I am noting certain things.

The Sub. With the AAA and the IR sams.


I remember the AAA at sea even with EF2000, now I think about it Im pretty sure it was there in TFX and F29 retaliator also. I think I read somewhere that the Typhoon class sub does have an SA14 launcher for surface defence, someone posted a link here in an earlier thread.

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The tanks which magically come ashore from nowhere.


It looks as though most of the tanks disembark from ships, but the tanks appear to be reaching the shore via the hovercraft (and possibly the Ekranoplanes) also. Most of the Ekranoplanes appear to stop near the shore but Ive seen the hovercraft press inland and then shortly after lost that sector, so I assumed thats where the tanks came from. Of course I wasnt looking to nit pick so I overlooked the magic option

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The Su-25s who come from nowhere. (Oh, he flew from a captured base in Norway, did he, with a full bomb load? Of course he did...)


Yep, Norway may be a tad beyond the range of some of the Russian aircraft, but I just assumed that the Russians had either captured the Faeroes, a group of islands about halfway between Iceland and Norway. In real life I guess the Russians could have airstrips in place there days before the invasion for the purpose of refuelling their short-range aircraft.

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This is why naval ops are a priority. The invasion should be preceeded by enemy sweeps by Su-33s (DID, cheat and use the Su-35s if needs be) operating off a carrier. Since it is 2015, I think we could assume that the Russians might have that second Kuznetsov class carrier working. Or something.


Or something you mean like magic?

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No wheel brakes, drogue parachutes. Oh, too complicated you say. Well to hell with simplicity, when i am hurtling down the runway at 140 knots and that speed brake is not stopping me, I am screaming for a drogue chute! Or wheel brakes, or something!!!


This is funny are you even playing this game? You are trying to use the airbrake to stop on the runwaylol! Try the wheel brake! When I use the wheel brakes they are very effective, almost burry the nose into the runway! I wonder how you manage the F4 cockpit when you cant even find the wheel brakes in Typhoon!

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I just came back from a mission where someone shot me up and my undercarriage was broken. I managed a belly landing, but my plane exploded. The pilot is in the hospital.


Sounds like you had fun trip.

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But still. Typhoon... you know why we bitch. We bitch cos we see this thing, and we want it to be perfect. We want to be playing it in five years time the same way we played EF2000.


Yep, but the bitching is overpowering. It already seems that guys like Steve, Andy and Badboy have stopped posting here and most of the folk who want to talk about Typhoon without hearing all the whining have gone to other boards. Congratulations!

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#561779 - 07/14/01 01:48 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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Yep...you broke the code.

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#561780 - 07/14/01 01:59 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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My personal favorite was when guys complained that in day 1 they were able to stall the Soviet offense, as I was able to do.
Steve's response: Restart the campaign, and LET the Soviets get ashore.

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#561781 - 07/14/01 03:21 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Yep, but the bitching is overpowering. It already seems that guys like Steve, Andy and Badboy have stopped posting here and most of the folk who want to talk about Typhoon without hearing all the whining have gone to other boards. Congratulations!


That may be the case, but on the other two boards I know of with Typhoon threads - I haven't posted on one of them at all, and on the other I have just posted my web address that lets you give notice of multiplayer games.

Well guess what? People are moaning there as well - and it's not me or anyone on these boards.

Cheers,
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#561782 - 07/14/01 03:49 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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My personal favorite was when guys complained that in day 1 they were able to stall the Soviet offense, as I was able to do.
Steve's response: Restart the campaign, and LET the Soviets get ashore.



Are you saying you stopped the russians from landing on the island? I've managed to hold them to a few sectors but I'd like to know how you stop them completly. Post the saved game, I'd like to see that.

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#561783 - 07/14/01 03:55 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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One thing that really annoyed me was my wingman could detect target's 109miles out and would call them out to me by *name*!
I looked at my radar and wouldn't see anything -of course

You could actualy see the spawn points of the enemy plane's out at sea many time's i changed my waypoint's and actualy stumbled on them at about 30-40 miles out -no it wasn't that they were flying stealthy, as my wingman must have some incredible eyesight then eh!? I would follow his called out course and sure enough they would appear.

Thing's like that destroy the fun in any game....

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#561784 - 07/14/01 04:17 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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Well guess what? People are moaning there as well - and it's not me or anyone on these boards.

Cheers,
Manteau


Yep, there is no doubt that flight simmers, particularly the so called hardcore variety are their own worst enemy. I've seen it so often that when we get some quality input in a forum, either from developers, fighter pilots, test pilots or members of the aviation industry, they always seem to be driven out by hordes of clueless whiners who think that the number of buttons in their cockpit is some how related to the size of their dicks.

When I first came here and saw the names of some of the posters I was delighted. These were big names in the sim community and industry. I hardly dared to look forward to enjoying some the excellent threads I was sure would follow. Instead what do we get, endless juvenile dribble and pointless bitching. Well guys, I hope you are proud of yourselves. Once again the professionals have left the building and we are left squabbling over shit like this.

Well congratulations! What shall we whine about next guys?

Tig


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#561785 - 07/14/01 04:19 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Are you saying you stopped the russians from landing on the island? I've managed to hold them to a few sectors but I'd like to know how you stop them completly. Post the saved game, I'd like to see that.


Look back through the history of this thread.

There were several people who had this happen to them.

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#561786 - 07/14/01 04:25 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Originally posted by Tiger:
Well guys, I hope you are proud of yourselves. Once again the professionals have left the building and we are left squabbling over shit like this.

Well congratulations! What shall we whine about next guys?


Perhaps if you looked back through the history of this forum you would see things a little differently.

Yes, Andy, Steve and Badboy were great helps.

But other people have been as well. I've lost count of the number of times I've explained about weapons not hitting their targets, sound hardware acceleration causing crashes, etc, etc. I'm getting fed up of it - so I explain it.

http://lab6.com/~manteau/typhoon/

I've created s couple of utilities to help people with Typhoon. I didn't have to - I didn't need to - I wanted to - to help people.

What have you done in this forum?

Cheers,
Manteau

#561787 - 07/14/01 04:29 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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Look back through the history of this thread.

There were several people who had this happen to them.

Cheers,
Manteau


I'd like to know if anyone has actually stopped the Russians from landing? I doubt it, but if some claim they have, let them post the saved game, otherwise it just sounds like it is coming from the south end of a north bound bull.

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#561788 - 07/14/01 04:31 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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But other people have been as well. I've lost count of the number of times I've explained about weapons not hitting their targets, sound hardware acceleration causing crashes, etc, etc. I'm getting fed up of it - so I explain it.


So how much more whining before you leave as well? Or do you enjoy that shit?

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What have you done in this forum?


I've almost thrown up a few times at the constant whining, does that count?

Seriously though, all I've ever done is to play the game, the problem is I'm enjoying it! But this is the wrong place to come if you are having fun with Typhoon. Anyone who comes here because they are actually enjoying the game will soon have that little problem fixed.


Tig



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#561789 - 07/14/01 04:44 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Ehm,

The post was in fun. It was not a bitch fest. It was a series of small, fun little comments about Typhoon. Note that smiley face.

It was not a bitch fest.

Get over it.

Gavin

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Oh yes, and I am a dweeb. I took out the keycard, and was remapping my joystick buttons and then... i notce.

Wheelbrake.
The spacebar.

ARRRRRRRRRRGH
hehehehe!!!

Gavin

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Ehm,

The post was in fun. It was not a bitch fest. It was a series of small, fun little comments about Typhoon. Note that smiley face.

It was not a bitch fest.

Get over it.

Gavin


Your original post does contain one smiley face, but only relating to one point. In anycase long complaints of stuff that is mostly wrong anyway (your points were shot down in flames) is a bitch fest by definition. Either way, bitch fest or not, you wanna jump on the whiners bandwaggon, at least get some original material.

I'm still laughing at the picture of such a hardcore simmer unable to find the wheel brake and then complaining that the sim is porked because he couldn't stop the aircraft with the airbrake... LOL!!! That's the funniest damn thing I've heard in years! I can just see you running off the end of the runway at 100 knots with a silly look on yer face wishing you were back in Falcon4. Hey, why not stick with Falcon4 until the Typhoon add-on, because I hear they have a Typhoon with trainer wheels for some of the hardcore guys.

Get over that.

Tig



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#561792 - 07/14/01 05:01 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Originally posted by TigerSo how much more whining before you leave as well? Or do you enjoy that shit?


Enjoy what? Constructive criticism - some of it may have been over the top, but if Rage would just say "no, we're not fixing that" the problem would be solved - I'd give up. But they don't.

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I've almost thrown up a few times at the constant whining, does that count?


Well, I suppose it does if you want to count that as one of your achievements in life - well done mate, do it again!

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Seriously though, all I've ever done is to play the game, the problem is I'm enjoying it! But this is the wrong place to come if you are having fun with Typhoon. Anyone who comes here because they are actually enjoying the game will soon have that little problem fixed.


I also enjoyed most aspects of the game, and I've got it back on a clean system now, so I might play it again, despite the lack of throttle support.

It's a fun game, it's got fantastic graphics, but if you're playing the game now, can you say you haven't noticed that the precision-guided munitions (e.g. brimstones) need slightly dodgy launch parameters, e.g. point blank range, to get any hits.

I don't know what day you're on - it started for me on day 2, but I was waiting 1.5 hours with acceleration on for a mission - with 4 pilots - good? no, don't think so.

We haven't heard a thing from Steve or anyone else at Rage about this.

Cheers,
Manteau

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#561793 - 07/14/01 05:18 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  
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It's a fun game, it's got fantastic graphics, but if you're playing the game now, can you say you haven't noticed that the precision-guided munitions (e.g. brimstones) need slightly dodgy launch parameters, e.g. point blank range, to get any hits.


Because that's bullshit. I can get good hits with the Brimstones at ranges well outside the gun range of the T-90s. Thanks to one or two of the very rare messages here that are constructive. It seems that most of the guys whining about the Brimstone are hardcore players like Gavin... Give me a break!! Some of the guys here couln't hit a barn door with a shovel full of horse shit! Instead of trying to figure it out, they whine like little babies who dropped their comfort tit out of the buggy. If the hat fits wear it!

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I don't know what day you're on - it started for me on day 2, but I was waiting 1.5 hours with acceleration on for a mission - with 4 pilots - good? no, don't think so.


I'm on my fourth campaign and I havent seen that. But I'm not a hardcore player, if I lose a couple of pilots I start again... Duhh

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We haven't heard a thing from Steve or anyone else at Rage about this.
So your comment about it being fixed is unfounded.


I never said any such thing.

Tig



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#561794 - 07/14/01 05:32 PM Re: Typhoon "Yeah Right" moments. :-)  

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Because that's bullshit. I can get good hits with the Brimstones at ranges well outside the gun range of the T-90s. Thanks to one or two of the very rare messages here that are constructive. It seems that most of the guys whining about the Brimstone are hardcore players like Gavin... Give me a break!! Some of the guys here couln't hit a barn door with a shovel full of horse shit! Instead of trying to figure it out, they whine like little babies who dropped their comfort tit out of the buggy. If the hat fits wear it!


Instead of figuring it out. Hmmm...

I've posted here previously about 6 different ways I've tried to attack T-90s.

I've just been playing it for the last 25 mins, and this is the best way I can get hits is:

400 feet AGL.
speed 500 knots
Range 2-3 nm (3m is when the T90s start firing).

Any higher heightwise and the brimstones mostly hit the ground in front of the tanks.

Firing directly DOWN on the tanks is marginally better, but it's not the best way of doing things.

Any lower and they do the same (but I'd expect it under the curcumstances).

Flying slower improves hit rate, but going slower than 500 knots within AAA firing range of a Tank!!!?? at low level is madness IMO.

I could (and indeed CAN) live with these. They're not realistic, but...

My problem is that wingmen always miss with them - they fire from around 7 nm and sadly, the brimstones always miss.

Cheers,
Manteau

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I never said it was "porked." I have never made such a dismissive comment.

The subject thread had a smiley face. And my points were not shot down in flames, and they were not whines. It was merely a bemused commentary.

Nowhere did I say: "Goddamn you Steve Hunt, fix this"

Nowhere did i make a request to fix it. The only request was a tangental "Throttle won't work" I am sorry for spoiling that for you :-)

I am just as guilty of not R-ing T F-ing M as anyone else.

Gavin

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