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#561374 - 06/26/01 04:08 PM Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  

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Check it out here :

http://www.pcarena.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000159.html

Sorry for the shameless plug.


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Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#561375 - 06/26/01 04:41 PM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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This is off the press release that Bob's link above points to, you gotta love some of these quotes:

...Eurofighter Typhoon raises the bar for combat flight games...

...The aircraft has ability to gain air superiority beyond visual range (BVR)...

...Including one of the most advanced campaign systems ever seen on a PC based simulation...


ROFLMAO! [wipes tear from eye] Oh Man! that is some funny stuff...and who said the Brits had a dry sense of humor?




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#561376 - 06/26/01 04:46 PM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  

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Great,

1. Will it come 'before or after the patch' V1.xx? Is 'the patch' coming at all? Or will we hear words of 'TyAW!' 'TyAW!'
(pucker lips and make sounds like donkey laughing it's 'ass' off...)

2. Will they offer money back guarantees and/or free shipping given the mixed bag reviews here?

3. Including shipping, _How Much_ and which retail outlets, when?

EB-I-hereby-return-thee?

Or 'Store Credit Please' Flo(m)pUSA?

Typical publicity stunt, plug systems like PIRATE (which is actually 'half TIALD' only less...) and Meteor (Ballast Ahoy Avast Yee!) and the almighty 'Mauser 27mm' cannon (aka 'The Phantom Menace'...snicker) without giving us much hard data to 'worry our poor little heads' over.


Kurt Plummer


P.S. Is it just me or does 'Hot Swap' sound like a title one would find decorating the boxtop of something in the naughty and nasty section of the local video store? Such masterly phrase turners these PR folk...

#561377 - 06/26/01 10:20 PM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  

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Yeah it's advertised as a sim, but as soon as someone complains it aint, people say it's a fun game.

"Paul Finnegan, Managing Director of Rage, commented: Eurofighter Typhoon is one of the most advanced military flight simulation games available today

Err, are we talking about the same game here?

Sorry, but ads like this are just creating a rod for Typhoons back.


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#561378 - 06/26/01 10:55 PM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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You know, bandwidth is becoming expensive here at SimHQ. Rather than using your share and then some with your repeated complaints, why don't you give Mr Finnegan a call and tell him what you think? In fact, given the short distances in the UK, why don't you, Tracer, and the rest of the Typhoon gang just pay him a visit?

I'm sure he would be very receptive to your constructive feedback.

Andy

#561379 - 06/27/01 12:42 AM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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You know, bandwidth is becoming expensive here at SimHQ. Rather than using your share and then some with your repeated complaints, why don't you give Mr Finnegan a call and tell him what you think? In fact, given the short distances in the UK, why don't you, Tracer, and the rest of the Typhoon gang just pay him a visit?

I'm sure he would be very receptive to your constructive feedback.

Andy


Agreed!

At this point you either hate Typhoon, or you like it (while admiting it has flaws). If you fall into the former catagory; what exactly is the point of bitching and complaining here? If Typhoon isn't for you, move on to a sim you like. What exactly does the complaining for the sake of complaining acomplish ?

#561380 - 06/27/01 01:56 AM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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I believe that many people continue to complain in the hope that they can drive their point(s) home to the developer and thereby improve the game.


BTW when you do stop by to see Steve, make sure you take enough Brimstones to knock on the door.
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#561381 - 06/27/01 02:19 AM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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I see you list your occupation as 'tech support'.

Have you ever had someone keep calling you back with the same complaints...long after you have done everything you can for them?

What do you say to them? "Keep calling...maybe we'll get the message eventually." Or do you finally reach the point where you want to say "Enough already!!"?

Seriously...don't you think the Rage people have gotten the point? This continued reposting of complaints has become like picking off scabs...and is just about as productive.

Andy

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Oh my... I thought I was harsh. All in all, I agree with Andy. I know it's about free speech and all but you know, it's counterproductive...

Let those who enjoy it look forward to it instead of spoiling it for others yeah? One man's food is another man's poison...


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#561383 - 06/27/01 03:23 AM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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I certainly see your point, but I dont think it really applies here. We're all for making a less technical sim to bring new blood into the hobby, but to dumb it down to where USAF looks like a study sim is just ridiculous. Because of the excessive lite nature many of us are not happy with it 'as-is'. As I see it there are two distinct differences in this case and your analogy Andy:

1. Did/Rage CAN make significant changes to the game if they choose to.

2 Money talks and bullsh!t walks : Ie If you want us to buy this product and the proposed addon, AND recommend it to our friends your going to have to give us what WE want.

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#561384 - 06/27/01 03:53 AM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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I can't justify what someone else says about Typhoon...but here, we have never said Typhoon was a sim. From day one, Leon and I have used the word "game" and have said why in any number of posts.

The current movie "Pearl Harbor" has been pounded in the reviews...people are screaming bloody murder about its historical inaccuracies, despite the fact that the storyline has been known for some time. It's a love story, not the History Channel! People looking for a history lesson should go elsewhere.

Same for Typhoon. It's a game, not a sim in the strict sense of the word...and certainly not like the hardcore crowd sees that term. It does no good for people to continue to demand that the game become something it was never supposed to be.

Don't get me wrong. When Leon and I first saw the game, we were really put off. It was nothing like we had imagined. But, after playing it...and realizing what Rage was aiming at...we decided that there was something to the game after all.

Am I happy with all of the problems that have come up? Absolutely not.

Do I understand how the game could have been released with these problems? Quite frankly, no.

But, unfortunately, it did get released with a number of problems. I'm glad to see Steve Hunt taking the active interest that he is...and I'm equally happy to see some folks attempting some aftermarket improvements. I hope they are successful.

Lastly, please be careful when you use the word "you". I'm not a Rage employee. I have no control over this product and was not involved in its development. All I have to give you is a decent forum and eventually a Strategy Guide that you might find of value.

Andy

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I certainly see your point, but I dont think it really applies here. We're all for making a less technical sim to bring new blood into the hobby, but to dumb it down to where USAF looks like a study sim is just ridiculous. Because of the excessive lite nature many of us are not happy with it 'as-is'. As I see it there are two distinct differences in this case and your analogy Andy:

1. Did/Rage CAN make significant changes to the game if they choose to.



True..but Typhoon is probably never going to be (or ever was) what some people here want it to be...period. Those people are best served by looking elsewhere.

No amount of complaining is going to get you served caviar at Wendy's or Burger King.

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I have an idea Andy, why don't you let people be honest and comment on Typhoon the way they see it unfolding. Good or bad. I don't mean to be harsh, but whenever someone says anything negative about Typhoon, you seem to take it personally. I think that's why people get confused about you not working for Rage. I happen to like Typhoon myself, but this forum is really starting to get stuffy. I feel I have made some friends when I started reading and commenting on this forum, but get the feeling from your posts that negitive comment just aren't welcome here. One thing you have to understand is thgere are new people coming aboard all the time. That's why these same topics keep coming up from time to time.

One other thing, Steve commented a short time ago that openning up the campaign could take as long as 3-4 months. This I feel is a big mistake. Making this sim re-playable and fixing the obvious problems should be given top priority to keep everyone on board while they have them. People are dropping like flies over these problems and even though we hear something may be in the works, it seems to be taken longer than it should. This is just my observation and how I see things unfolding.

So please give people they're say, good or bad. After all, isn't that what these forums are all about.

#561387 - 06/27/01 11:38 AM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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Lastly, please be careful when you use the word "you". I'm not a Rage employee.


I know that your not, I meant "you" strictly in the figurative sense. We value the objective, impartial impressions and reviews from SimHQ. Some other sites have been known to heavily edit or sit on a unflattering review of a product, those sites sit nearly abandoned, we are here.

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#561388 - 06/27/01 12:06 PM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  

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Andy,

It's just our fear of Typhoon creating a precedent, a tendency/development that no producer will want or feels the need (!) to deal with the trouble of making a "realistic" sim anymore. The fear of Typhoon creating a new benchmark for producers !

I know what you are going to say back: No sim is fully realistic (agreed) and: what about IL-2, Lock on and TW ? Well sure, HC Flight sims are still commercially alive to this date it appears (and will always be).
THIS IS THANX TO THE HC-CROWD who is buying and testing/playing every new sim avalable, not the people who buy Typhoon as their only "FS" (ever), play it for 5 hours over a course of six months and leave it then, post some basic questions in this forum and play other genres the rest of the time !

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It's just our fear of Typhoon creating a precedent, a tendency/development that no producer will want or feels the need (!) to deal with the trouble of making a "realistic" sim anymore. The fear of Typhoon creating a new benchmark for producers !



Do simmers really have this fear?! Come on folks, the kind of sim that's produced, is purely based on the kind of sim that sells.
Producers will feel the desire to go through the trouble (the time, effort and money required) of making a realistic sim if the market demands it.

Typhoon isn't going to influence the market beyond Rage/DID and whether they make another sim or not.

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Hey guys, we've heard all these arguments before......you know .... 'Game v Sim'!? , 'marketing propaganda' , 'I want this', 'I want that', 'this is crap , 'this is amazing', 'Steve should do this', 'Realistic ? ROFLAO ', ' EF2000 is much better', Give us a Clickable cockpit .... blah blah blah blah blah.....

Ive got an idea....

Why dont we have a dedicated forum , not for complaining (as it gets p*ss*d on !) , but where we can constructively VOTE on what us Typhoon pilots want !? you know like a live survey .....with results graphs...

Sounds easy to me......

Then that way, RAGE & the Typhoon team , Mr Steve Hunt ,3rd part modifiers etc.. can stand back and look at the big picture , and say ...this is what our customers want, lets give it to 'em....

That way we can see the wood from the trees....

Andy , what do you rekon ???



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I (very stupidly) bought my copy of Typhoon from PCWorld - that means no refunds.

I was quite happy to accept the game as 'a game'.

But the product is essentially flawed (technically) and I, like many others, am fed up with having to put up with buying faulty goods. To name one example; USB is not exactly cutting edge technology is it? Why on Earth are USB joysticks having so many problems with this game? This game was put on the market with known faults/problems, and in any other industry this is criminal.

On my new computer I can't get past the ecranoplan missions because the game always crashes, and nothing I do seems to fix it - I've now given up. Is it right for me to spend hours of my valuable time trying to fix someone else's mistakes?

I've paid good money for what is basicaly junk - I think I have a right to complain. And to complain and complain and complain, until something is done.

Die Hard

#561392 - 06/27/01 02:06 PM Re: Take 2 Publishes Typhoon!  
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Coffee, Cool, and all

I've got no problem with complaints...these forums are an equal opportunity avenue for folks to express their feeling anyway they want (well...within the bounds of civility!).

For the most part, the complaints about Typhoon have been legitimate...and express many of my own feelings.

But, here at SimHQ, there is a limit. People come here to get reliable info, good or bad. I think this has been the case with this forum. While most posts fall into the middle, some have ended up on the fringes, both of them. These are the posts that do a disservice to you readers. They are neither objective or, in some cases, even factual.

Then there are the posters that seem to be like a broken record, and, like trying to listen to a broken record, reading their posts gets irritating over time. The broken record never gets past the bad spot, and neither do these people. You know who they are. Use our search function and call up one of their names. Read their posts...and then ask yourself if these posts are productive in the larger view.

Coffee1, you ask me to let people have their say. I think we have, within the bounds of SimHQ 'policy'. If posts need to go past that, then there are other places to go.

Cool_1...I think forums such as this one give the developers all the feedback they can handle! Regardless of the sim (or game), we, as a group, are not shy in posting our demands. The problem is that developers may not be too inclined to listen once the sim has been released. Particularly when the outcry is for modifications that would essentially remake the entire focus of the sim. Patches to fix specific problems are fine...but a major shift in gameplay objectives is just not going to happen.

For complaints on this level, the marketplace is going to have the final say, for better or worse.

Here's my position regarding this forum. Sugar catches more flies than salt. Let's keep it clean and the criticisms productive.

Andy

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Coffee, Cool, and all

Cool_1...I think forums such as this one give the developers all the feedback they can handle! Regardless of the sim (or game), we, as a group, are not shy in posting our demands. The problem is that developers may not be too inclined to listen once the sim has been released. Particularly when the outcry is for modifications that would essentially remake the entire focus of the sim. Patches to fix specific problems are fine...but a major shift in gameplay objectives is just not going to happen.

For complaints on this level, the marketplace is going to have the final say, for better or worse.

Here's my position regarding this forum. Sugar catches more flies than salt. Let's keep it clean and the criticisms productive.

Andy


and sticky buns and fly swatters catch more flys than sugar....so lets get these problems sorted !!!

I thought a Typhoon pilots poll would be a popular idea ....(even if its ignored !!!

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