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#560812 - 06/06/01 02:26 PM Poll first sim you flew.  
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Mine was a space shuttle sim (I think it was just called Space Shuttle) on a TRS-80 Model 3. 16k of gaming goodness.

BTW, the system had 4k and a cassette drive (read cassette player attached by wire to the PC) when we bought it, but then we maxed it out and flexed our muscles with 48k RAM and Dual (count 'em, two) single density 5.25" drives. I was in heaven! Monochrome built in monitor as color was unheard of.

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For those who have visitied, check out MiGMan's Flight Sim museum - it's GREAT!!!

http://www.migman.com/

My first was Flight Simulator on the ZX81. I think it required the 16k RAM pack and took ages to load off tape - and then only after I found the right volume setting on the tape machine! Check out the screenshots at

http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/PSION/PSION.htm

I also played on the Apple II a bit. Jet was very cool!

Cheers,
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My first "Love" was MS FS 5 and the greatest were TFX and EF2000, but i like Typhoon and TAW , too.

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Psion Flight Simulation on the ZX Spectrum 48 is the one that got me hooked .

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Like Kenji, my first sim was Psion's 'Flight Simulator', on the ZX Spectrum. I remember the problems with volume control, whilst loading. The tape recorder supplied and marketed by WH Smith was supposedly the best. Ahh, memories....

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Anyone play Solo Flight on the Atari? - was well cool!

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Anyone play Solo Flight on the Atari? - was well cool!

I spent more hours than I care to remember with Solo Flight on the C64.

What about AcroJet, now THAT was cool!!!
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Steve,

is that the one with the plane seen from behind? I remember playing it at my friends Commodore 64. I snuffed at it even back then, as it did not provide a cockptit view .

-Gecko

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Think it has a behind view with the instruments on the bottom half of the screen.

Remember the 6 line wireframe mountains... cool!

Steve

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Oh what memories, my first three were in random order


    [*]Flight Simulation by Psion
    [*]Nite Flite by Hewson Consultants
    [*]Fighter Pilot by Digital Integration


Those were the days when 8 color graphics were state of the art

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Flight Simulation for the ZX spectrum was the first for me too ^_^
I was only 6 at that time ^_^

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I can remember being in total awe watching my dad play Flight Simulator on the Spectrum (I think i was about 6 too). First combat flight sim was F16 Combat Pilot, again on the Spectrum. Still got it somewhere, I think it's gathering dust in the attic.

I remember that i never actually landed the thing, as the graphics were quite bad, so you couldn't see the runway until you were right on top of it.

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I remember i passed entire days searching the skies for enemies (!) ^_^


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F19 Stealth Fighter Microprose
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#560826 - 06/06/01 08:53 PM Re: Poll first sim you flew.  
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MS FS4, my first flight sim. USNF is still my favourite though. I could never get really into EF2000, I don't like dynamic campains to much, but I like the scripted campain in EFT. Does anyone know what the first sim to have a dynamic campain was?

#560828 - 06/07/01 02:25 AM Re: Poll first sim you flew.  
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I came to computers late in life, so I don't go back as far as most of you guys, but ironically, my first sim (or game of any sort) was EF2000. Man, what an expectation that set up for me!
I have purchased at least 30 sims since then "Chasing the Dragon" and few have given me that melt into your chair, sink into your monitor and "be there" feeling I got from EF2000.
Almost all the games I have bought I would consider good value for the money. The only real stinker was Jetfighter 4 - but it lets me bomb the x-wifes house every night and I don't go to jail. So I'm keeping it.

Cheers,
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I also played on the Apple II a bit. Jet was very cool!


Think this may have been the name of what hooked me. I can not remember ... black and white ... wire frame on the Apple II.

God ... I feel so old all of a sudden.




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#560830 - 06/07/01 04:08 AM Re: Poll first sim you flew.  
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First sim I ever palyed was F-18 Interceptor on the Amiga500. After that my friend and I fiddled with FalconAT (I believe) on the PC for a little bit. Played Falcon on the Amiga as well. But the 3 sims that formed my opinion about sims were F16 Combat Pilot (still one of my favorites), BOB-Their Finest Hour, and Flight of the Intruder. All played on the Amiga.

Didn't get a IBM PC till AFTER EF-2000 came out, so I missed out on a lot of other classic sim.

IMHO F-16 Combat Pilot proves that a sim doesn't have to be hardcore and complex to be GREAT. It's game world was smaller than Typhoon's and it's campaign a lot more simplified, but it did a lot of other things right.

#560831 - 06/07/01 07:26 AM Re: Poll first sim you flew.  
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Hi All,

My first flight sims were Gunship and Project Stealth Fighter on the Commodore 64. When was that, oh so long ago ;-)

Things certainly have come a long way since then, and in those days they were state of the art :-)

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Actually, Uroboros, I tend to disagree. The F-16 Combat Pilot sim was so much ahead of its time that it wasn't even funny. I think it was the first home computer combat sim where the angle of attack was properly modelled, in a time when in most other examples of the genre banking the plane didn't even make the nose drop. It was as hardcore as they got back then, coming with a dynamic campaign as well.

Also, it was my first experience in multiplayer. I took my Amiga over to a friends house (he had the Atari ST), and we connected them via a cable. That was an experience unmatched by anything I've played before it.

Of course, sometimes the game would put both planes into exactly the same position on the same runway, causing an immediate explosion... Luckily, it restarted very quickly !

-Gecko

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The first I spent any time with was EF2000 and I add my vote to seeing an updated version.

#560834 - 06/07/01 01:37 PM Re: Poll first sim you flew.  
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Actually, Uroboros, I tend to disagree. The F-16 Combat Pilot sim was so much ahead of its time that it wasn't even funny. I think it was the first home computer combat sim where the angle of attack was properly modelled, in a time when in most other examples of the genre banking the plane didn't even make the nose drop. It was as hardcore as they got back then, coming with a dynamic campaign as well.

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Oh I agree it was great game. Heck I'd think it would be a great game today if the graphics were updated. It's just that it probably would not be consdiered hardcore today and people would find some reason to bitch about. People complained about the size of the theater in Typhoon; could you imagine the complaints you'd probably hear about Combat Pilot? Heck game play area in that game was probably 1 quarter Typhoon's if that; and it was fictional. But the game ruled!

But you are right..in many areas the game was VERY advanced for it's day. I'll have see if I can get the game to run on my Amiga emulation

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My first sim was A-10 Cuba, then I spent a lot of time with Janes Fighters Anthology, then EF2000, Red Baron, EAW, and Flanker.

I'd still love a proper up to date A-10 sim.

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Kevin Bezant the guy behind EEAH/EECH (Apache and Hind also ) and Razorworks did F16 Combat Pilot, i think the Campaign was the 1st attempt at Dynamic.
The rest of the F16 CP crew(some of them) are making World Sports Cars for the PS2.


























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And those graphics were AWESOME!!!

My how things have changed.



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#560838 - 06/08/01 03:57 AM Re: Poll first sim you flew.  
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F15 Strike Eagle 1 on the Atari ST. Blue sky, green land, and bitmapped enemy fighters! Written by MicroProse (like most of the stuff on the Atari was which I bought).

Followed by F15 SE 2, F19 Stealth Fighter, Dogfight, Flight of the Intruder (my favourite -- which Typhoon reminds me a little of), Knights of the Sky. I'm sure there were others!

Then the PC appeared. The jump from the Atari to the speed of a Pentium 90 and EF2000 (first PC flight sim) was immense! Only matched by the installation of a 3D card to a P200 a couple of years later.

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F19 Stealth Fighter was my first experience.

While reading this thread I came to think of a simulator named "Bomber,(my memory can betray me about the name). Anyone recognize that game? I think it was set in a red flag type environment and you could even fly the swedish Ja37 Viggen (Thunderbolt). It was prescripted missons that became more difficult as you progressed.

Also want to thank for the screenshots above, I feel nostalgic.

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How about Microprose's TopGun-Fire at Will..I know.. kinda corny, but very immersive game which got me to continue on with F22L3 and unto Jane's F/A18 for the last year and five months....
Eh, Yoh! Regards!

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Wow... that was a LONG time ago!!

a 747 flight sim on the BBC micro called '747'... really cool.. It had VOR/ILS and even 4 sets of Engine Instrumentation.

Then of course the excellent AVIATOR on the BBC micro ... fly spitfires and shhot down triangluar Aliens.

Then probably The MS Flight sim 2 (and everything since .. the are ALL still on my hard drive).. then the DID range of course..everything from TFX onwards still on my hard disk and still played.

Then pretty well every other sim currently available

Phew!

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I only go back about 6 years with siming and I had a Mac at the time. There weren't many sims for Mac but when I saw GI's "Hornet" and then "Hornet Korea" I was hooked. Only stayed with Mac a short time after that because all the best stuff was on PC. My life will never be the same - McFly

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Anyone play Jet... it had wire frame F-16s and F-18s... the bombs and missles looked like stick figures.... the box was cool as hell... all black with a pilot's helmet/oxy mask and a reflection of the pit on the visor... awesome!

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Considering some of the sims that you guys are mentioning mine is going to seem "modern." The first sim I flew was the original Jet Fighter. And I flew on one of the first mind blowingly fast 486 SX at 20 mhz. I think I had 4 Meg of RAM.

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Yes! Fighter Bomber, 1989/90. Borrowed a copy from the record and computer store where I worked a summer job and never returned it (they never noticed). Played it on a Commodore 128, tape took ages to load and the graphics weren't half as good as the shots on the box which were from the PC version. But it had flyable Tornado, F111, Mig-27 and Phantom - the Viggen was just in the PC version I think. Landing was messy at best...but I loved it.

The great MigMan has an article on it at

http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/StrikeAces/StrikeAces.htm

and it never looked that good, for the time, on my Commodore. I fired my first Maverick in that sim.

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    [*]Flight Simulation by Psion
    [*]Nite Flite by Hewson Consultants
    [*]Fighter Pilot by Digital Integration



http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/Nightflite/Nightflite.htm

http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/FighterPilot/FighterPilot.htm

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Does anyone know what the first sim to have a dynamic campain was?


Mark "Frugal" Bush from Frugal's World of Simulations informs me that this was the first sim with a dynamic campaign:

http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/F16CombatPilot/F16CombatPilot.htm

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My first flight sims were Gunship and Project Stealth Fighter on the Commodore 64. When was that, oh so long ago ;-)
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While reading this thread I came to think of a simulator named "Bomber,(my memory can betray me about the name). Anyone recognize that game? I think it was set in a red flag type environment and you could even fly the swedish Ja37 Viggen (Thunderbolt).


Strike Aces also known as Fighter Bomber
You could fly 6 aircraft:

F4 Phantom
F15E Strike Eagle
F111 Aardvark in profile
Mig 27
RAF and Luftwaffe Tornado Flight Test
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http://www.migman.com/ref/simhis/StrikeAces/StrikeAces.htm

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My first simulation was Sublogic's Flight Simulator 1.0 on the Apple IIe computer.

I also have an original hardback copy of Bruce A. Artwick's "Applied Concepts in Microcomputer Graphics". (1984)

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Actually thinking about it the first 'flight Sim' I ever used wasn't anything to do with PCs etc.

My father was a RAF pilot, at that time stationed at R.A.F. Gaydon in warwickshire.
He was one of the pilots fr the navigation Training school .. used to fly pilot for trainee navigators and see if they got home before running out of fuel!.

One day I was hanging around (I was about 12 at the time.. about 1969 never away from the tower..though I did once break into the Nuclear weapons bunker at the V-bomer base ar R.A.F Finningley for a Change.. I used to feed the guard dogs and they used to let me go wherever I liked without barking.. my father got into REAL trouble that day!!) anyway..I was hanging around when I saw some of the pilots trying out a new 'ILS training simulator'. Needless to say I had my turn too (I reckoned at 12 I was the best pilot on the base. I'd flown passenger in everything from an Avro Anson to a Vulcan by then .. it couldn't happen now!)

The simulator looked rather like a Pool Table. The table 'surface' was a rolling map which wound between two rollers under the table. At one end of the map was the airbase with its runway. The moving map represented to approach path.. approx ten miles.

At one ends of the table was the 'cockpit'.. A control yoke, A throttle, and two dials.. a speed indicator and an ILS indicator with the usual two needles.

Sitting just in front of the cockpit was a tiny model areoplane sitting on a bent piece of stiff wire (someone had stuck a home made Varsity on it!). The wire could move in response to the 'pilots' control inputs, up and down or Left/right.

The Map was rewound, and set rolling. The 'Pilot' had to control the model plane using the throttle and yoke, keeping on the ILS glidepath by observing the needles.
If he got it right the model plane would eventualy land on the runway at the end of the map.

It was quite clever .. you could even dial in a bias for a headwind or a sidewind to make things more difficult.

I remember clearly that THIS was the day that I decided that when I was older I was going to make my own 'Flight Sim'. Some ten years later I built my own computer from scratch just using components (an early intel 8080 processor and 256k or ram) and wrote my own VERY noddy version of that ILS simulator. It was RUBBISH.. but luckily just about then REAL PCs came along.. and I was in heaven.

No doubt though the Worst day in my life was when my eyesight went (I was short sighted) and I knew I would never fly in the RAF myself. I wept like a baby! PC Flight sims have ever since been a real consolation... its why I love them so much.

Thanks to all Flight Sim Developers and community members everywhere.. for giving me back my wings!

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f-15 strike eagle by Microprose.

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Ef-2000, still consider it one of the best sims put out.

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Hi,

For what its worth here's my list of flight simulations in order....

Acorn Electron
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Phantom
Combat Lynx
Strike Force Harrier

Archimedes
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Interdictor
Chocks Away
Birds of War

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Flying Corps Gold
Longbow 2
Janes F15
Falcon 4
Apache Havoc
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Quite a few goes in the real Eurofighter simulator - thanks to an industrial year out from uni with BAE

My overall favourite would probably EF2000, with Chocks Away on the Archimedes coming a close second.

Andy.

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I ain't no dino so my list is short

Started in 1994, with MS FS5 and F-14 Fleet Defender (STILL PLAY THAT!!!!!!)

Slowly progressed to EF2000 (too hard for me at the time), FS95/98, then TAW and IAF.
Made the move to "hardcore" during 1998 with F-15, Longbow2, Falcon4 and more recent EEAH/EECH, Flanker2 and for fun USAF.
And also upgraded my poor Logitech Wingman Extreme stick to my current F-22Pro/TQS/RCS setup, one piece at a time

If I could choose I wish they'd redo Fleet Defender. Still among my favorites!

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Andre, that's a great story.

My first sim; Flight Simulator on a Spectrum (1985)... then after a 10 year computer break, EF2000 - THE BEST!

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Hullo,

i'm a bit late responding to this topic. but here are my 2 cents.
My first "sim" was Jet, soon after followed by Chuck Yeager's AFT and F19SF and Gunship (all on a 286 8mhz).
I realy enjoyed Flight of the Intruder, but the best of the "old" sims, im my view, is Falcon 3 (of course, I played the original Falcon and Falcon AT).

Other Sims (not exactly chronological):

Strike Eagle I & II
Strike Commander
Jetfigher II
TFX
Commanche
Gunship 2000
Flight Simulator 1,2,3,4, 5
EF2000
Flanker 2
Falcon 4
JF18
EEAH and EECH
EAW
CFS2

I've probably forgotten a couple

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